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By: Rock, Paper, Shotgun: PC Gaming’s Ivoriest Tower » Blog Archive » Bioshock: Patched At Last

Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:49:13 +0000

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By: Leeks!

Leeks! — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:46:09 +0000

@yns88

No disagreements, man. What I was referring to was Bioshock’s self-satirizing comment on the FPS genre more than the whole ‘moral philosophy’ bit. As much as That Scene was about the consequences of choice, it was also about how those choices work in a videogame, and how ultimately meaningless that is. So, yeah, Deus Ex did the social philosophy thing brilliantly, but it wasn’t nearly as conscious of its medium. It didn’t matter that it was occurring in a videogame. You could say the same thing in a film, a novel, a comic book (see: The Invisibles), an essay… you get the idea. And, in my opinion, that makes it the less effective of the two.

But if we were stacking the two up just in terms of gameplay (and the revolutionizing thereof), you’d find me in considerably less disagreement.

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Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:43:16 +0000

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By: Garth

Garth — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:02:59 +0000

Exactly; Deus Ex 3 is a sequel to Deus Ex. People want it to be as good as Deus Ex. When it isn’t (Deus Ex: Invisible War), the obvious parallels are introduced, and people complain.

By: Muzman

Muzman — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:53:21 +0000

yeah, every apologist accuses critics of nostalgia.
Every game doesn’t have to be groundbreaking, NOLF wasn’t groundbreaking, it was just made well with coherence of purpose and personality. But when the same people who were responsible for an admitted classic head down the same road again, with the expressed goal of living up to what that game did well and even building upon it…are you going to say that there’s no expectation there? It’s not like this is out of left field stuff that ought to be assessed on its own terms like Freedom Force.

By: Garth

Garth — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:50:16 +0000

I think the reason we (royal we) are not as impressed these days with games is that, face it, we’re in the downward slump of games. Take the mid to late nineties: Quake, Starcraft, Deus Ex, Marathon, System Shock, etc etc etc. What was the last game to capture, and indeed, have the same impact those games had? I remember when PC Gamer gave Doom 3 a 95% or something and ‘dared’ people to come up with a game that good, or developers to trump it, I was up in arms. Then Half-Life 2 comes out, and it gets 98%. Ninety Eight Percent. It came with no multiplayer, had terrible A.I. (in all forms), was on-rails, had no story, and really wasn’t that interactive.

I think what happened was it had been so long since a Deus Ex/Starcraft/whatever, that people wanted to love a game that much.

The last game that had even close to the impact on me the Aforementioned Greats did was F.E.A.R. I’d never say it was as good as Deus Ex or whatever, but I actually felt compelled to keep playing. I’m a serial-completionist, and the will for me to do it these days has wilted severely. I beat every single game I ever bought up until the 2000′s. Suddenly I was actually returning games, something I hadn’t even considered.

If I were to be pressed as to why this is occuring, I’d pretty much point to the development cycle. The idea that games have to spend gargantuan amounts of money to create a game that is even above average is a lie, a straight up awful lie. The games we love had terrible problems with them — what we loved was what was inside those games. Deus Ex had twitchy animations, an engine that loved to crash, a rather.. overly gray tone (It’s Quake, Only Gray!), and so on. But what drew us in was the story, the gameplay, the interactivity.

I’ll take a buggy, ugly games with plot, story and gameplay over an “ooohhhh, pretty!” game with a hojillion dollar budget any day.

By: yutt

yutt — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:34:40 +0000

Why does everything with you people have to be “ground breaking”? Whatever that means. If you set your expectations to ridiculous and unreachable levels, of course nothing is going to amaze or impress you.

I loved Deus Ex, it’s one of my favorite games of all time. However I am not going to pointlessly compare every game released for the rest of my life to it. I will enjoy a game on it’s own merits, and criticize it on it’s own faults.

Everything isn’t going to be revolutionary. In fact, I bet if you looked back to the release of Deus Ex, many people were making the same comparisons you are; claiming Deus Ex was a mediocre update of System Shock 2.

Gritty reality can’t ever compete with rosy nostalgia.