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		<title>By: Jorgen</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-2/#comment-35701</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(I am one of two people behind this Space Hulk game)

Thank you all for caring so much about our little game and a HUGE thank you to Kieron Gillen for posting such an awesome review. As Crispy said this is the approach we have taken when contacting THQ. Not to beg for mercy but instead make a great offer so that they might take an interrest in this. Lets see if it make any difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(I am one of two people behind this Space Hulk game)</p>
<p>Thank you all for caring so much about our little game and a HUGE thank you to Kieron Gillen for posting such an awesome review. As Crispy said this is the approach we have taken when contacting THQ. Not to beg for mercy but instead make a great offer so that they might take an interrest in this. Lets see if it make any difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Crispy</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-2/#comment-35288</link>
		<dc:creator>Crispy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting that. It is understandable from both GW&#039;s and THQ&#039;s standpoints, since if they fail to act to protect their copyright they stand the chance of losing it.

I hope they will allow some sort of compromise, like allowing you to distribute the current version of the project but forbidding you to continue development. Something like that would at least allow fans to have a go, and if you kept a download tracker you could agree to give the statistics to THQ for them to use as market research on the Space Hulk IP.

This is a zero-risk, zero-cost way for them to gauge interest on their franchise. Might be worth suggesting this to them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting that. It is understandable from both GW&#8217;s and THQ&#8217;s standpoints, since if they fail to act to protect their copyright they stand the chance of losing it.</p>
<p>I hope they will allow some sort of compromise, like allowing you to distribute the current version of the project but forbidding you to continue development. Something like that would at least allow fans to have a go, and if you kept a download tracker you could agree to give the statistics to THQ for them to use as market research on the Space Hulk IP.</p>
<p>This is a zero-risk, zero-cost way for them to gauge interest on their franchise. Might be worth suggesting this to them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-2/#comment-29957</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This project is dead, unfortunately :&#124;

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From the website www.teardown.se

Games Workshop&#039;s response
	
10th March, 2008

The last couple of days have been rather hectic. From our pleed for help we got in touch with old time Games Workshop veteran Jervis Johnson. Although he could not help us personally he was kind enough to speed up the legal process and so we finally got a response from Games Workshop this afternoon.

We are awaiting their second respons and approval to publish the entire conversation but in short all Warhammer 40.000 licences to make a computergame belong to THQ (who are the ones resposible of the Dawn of War series). Even though they have no plans of releasing a Space Hulk game it is still a part of the 40.000 world and as such Games Workshop feel obligated to defend their clients in this matter.

We accept this response and even though it saddens us we do not want to upset them further by releasing more updates to the game. It is their product and property and even though we tought everything was okay by them, they still had the option to ask us to quit.

Of course we will contact THQ and ask for their permission to continue this development but as it seem highly unlikely it surely seem that this is the end of our great game. It has been a blast doing this and we will remember this our entire lives. You have all helped us doing this and if we were not forced to stop, this could have grown into something truly great. Do not hold a grudge towards Game Workshop. Without them you would never have played this game in the first place.

We thank you all for all your support and will try to post the entire conversation shortly. Of course we will inform you of any outcome regarding THQ but it seem like this is the end.

/ Niklas and Jörgen, Sweden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This project is dead, unfortunately :|</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>From the website <a href="http://www.teardown.se" rel="nofollow">http://www.teardown.se</a></p>
<p>Games Workshop&#8217;s response</p>
<p>10th March, 2008</p>
<p>The last couple of days have been rather hectic. From our pleed for help we got in touch with old time Games Workshop veteran Jervis Johnson. Although he could not help us personally he was kind enough to speed up the legal process and so we finally got a response from Games Workshop this afternoon.</p>
<p>We are awaiting their second respons and approval to publish the entire conversation but in short all Warhammer 40.000 licences to make a computergame belong to THQ (who are the ones resposible of the Dawn of War series). Even though they have no plans of releasing a Space Hulk game it is still a part of the 40.000 world and as such Games Workshop feel obligated to defend their clients in this matter.</p>
<p>We accept this response and even though it saddens us we do not want to upset them further by releasing more updates to the game. It is their product and property and even though we tought everything was okay by them, they still had the option to ask us to quit.</p>
<p>Of course we will contact THQ and ask for their permission to continue this development but as it seem highly unlikely it surely seem that this is the end of our great game. It has been a blast doing this and we will remember this our entire lives. You have all helped us doing this and if we were not forced to stop, this could have grown into something truly great. Do not hold a grudge towards Game Workshop. Without them you would never have played this game in the first place.</p>
<p>We thank you all for all your support and will try to post the entire conversation shortly. Of course we will inform you of any outcome regarding THQ but it seem like this is the end.</p>
<p>/ Niklas and Jörgen, Sweden</p>
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		<title>By: Crispy</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-2/#comment-29343</link>
		<dc:creator>Crispy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your download mirror fails since the source data for download has been removed by Teardown &amp; co.

Anyone have it hosted somewhere? I could always re-host it on an ask-don&#039;t-tell basis.

Emails to &lt;i&gt;crispy @ the above website domain&lt;/i&gt; if you can put the file up for download (tip: use Yousendit.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your download mirror fails since the source data for download has been removed by Teardown &amp; co.</p>
<p>Anyone have it hosted somewhere? I could always re-host it on an ask-don&#8217;t-tell basis.</p>
<p>Emails to <i>crispy @ the above website domain</i> if you can put the file up for download (tip: use Yousendit.com)</p>
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		<title>By: Joonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, plus Games Workshop has issued a letter to them on an undisclosed matter. Since GW has licenced off a bunch of stuff recently, maybe whatever agreement they had with the Teardown guys isn&#039;t valid anymore? Too bad.

Download mirror here: http://www.g4g.it/download/comment.php?dlid=2193</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, plus Games Workshop has issued a letter to them on an undisclosed matter. Since GW has licenced off a bunch of stuff recently, maybe whatever agreement they had with the Teardown guys isn&#8217;t valid anymore? Too bad.</p>
<p>Download mirror here: <a href="http://www.g4g.it/download/comment.php?dlid=2193" rel="nofollow">http://www.g4g.it/download/comment.php?dlid=2193</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich Tysoe</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-2/#comment-28710</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Tysoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear- it looks like Teardown&#039;s Space Hulk has run into some problems- practically everything&#039;s been taken off the site overnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear- it looks like Teardown&#8217;s Space Hulk has run into some problems- practically everything&#8217;s been taken off the site overnight.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian Cornelius Jasper</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-26777</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorian Cornelius Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it.  Ain&#039;t nobody here doesn&#039;t know what Terminator Armour&#039;s really supposed to be called, and that&#039;s just the way we like it.

Never did play Space Hulk, though.  ...  Am also not that interested, because I find the Space Marines really boring compared to the poor, downtrodden, shot-by-their-own-Commissars Imperial Guard.  Who, by force of their name alone makes them sound like they&#039;re an elite force of genetically super-soldiers, especially compared to Space Marines, whose plain ol&#039; name sounds like they&#039;re a bunch of hopeless shmucks who need Sigourney Weaver&#039;s help just to survive the night.

The only reason I mention this is because Ripley&#039;s picture is staring at me a couple tabs down my browser to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it.  Ain&#8217;t nobody here doesn&#8217;t know what Terminator Armour&#8217;s really supposed to be called, and that&#8217;s just the way we like it.</p>
<p>Never did play Space Hulk, though.  &#8230;  Am also not that interested, because I find the Space Marines really boring compared to the poor, downtrodden, shot-by-their-own-Commissars Imperial Guard.  Who, by force of their name alone makes them sound like they&#8217;re an elite force of genetically super-soldiers, especially compared to Space Marines, whose plain ol&#8217; name sounds like they&#8217;re a bunch of hopeless shmucks who need Sigourney Weaver&#8217;s help just to survive the night.</p>
<p>The only reason I mention this is because Ripley&#8217;s picture is staring at me a couple tabs down my browser to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: ShineDog</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-26696</link>
		<dc:creator>ShineDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a little indy project, i think something like necro would be difficult.

You would also need a far more complicated engine because its not necromunda if it doesnt ivolve lots of verticle movement, and you need to display that and calculate LOS accuratley. along with all the free roaming movement.

I personally want to see someone do a BFG game. because that would be immense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a little indy project, i think something like necro would be difficult.</p>
<p>You would also need a far more complicated engine because its not necromunda if it doesnt ivolve lots of verticle movement, and you need to display that and calculate LOS accuratley. along with all the free roaming movement.</p>
<p>I personally want to see someone do a BFG game. because that would be immense.</p>
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		<title>By: John P (Katsumoto)</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-26663</link>
		<dc:creator>John P (Katsumoto)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RARrrrrrr when will they make something like that for Necromunda? Necromunda is perfect computer game material. I think i&#039;d just keel over and die from excitement if anyone mentioned a vague possibility of it happening, in any form or format. Even a PSP Puzzle game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RARrrrrrr when will they make something like that for Necromunda? Necromunda is perfect computer game material. I think i&#8217;d just keel over and die from excitement if anyone mentioned a vague possibility of it happening, in any form or format. Even a PSP Puzzle game.</p>
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		<title>By: ShineDog</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-26662</link>
		<dc:creator>ShineDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the same, but possibly of interest if you like your old GW board games.

www.fumbbl.com

Its a fully functional online multiplayer league playing bloodbowl (one of GWs best ever games) in a java client, sanctioned by GW and with a mostly complete set of the bloodbowl living rulebook fourth edition.

(GW has been releasing the rulebooks for its non core game for free on its specialist games site, BB is on its 5th edition while Fumbbl uses the 4th while the client is updated - personally i prefer 4th anyway)

So yeah. Its free, its quick to play, its multiplayer, its really easy to use for a system of this, and since you are a huge pile of geeks, those who havent tried it would be well advised to do so, if you havent already.

Note - there is another client out there that is much more basic and requires the player to do most stuff manually. OLBBL i think (unless they switched? not sure) Some people prefer this, but Fumbbl handles the dice rolling and the aftergame stuff for you and thats much easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the same, but possibly of interest if you like your old GW board games.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fumbbl.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.fumbbl.com</a></p>
<p>Its a fully functional online multiplayer league playing bloodbowl (one of GWs best ever games) in a java client, sanctioned by GW and with a mostly complete set of the bloodbowl living rulebook fourth edition.</p>
<p>(GW has been releasing the rulebooks for its non core game for free on its specialist games site, BB is on its 5th edition while Fumbbl uses the 4th while the client is updated &#8211; personally i prefer 4th anyway)</p>
<p>So yeah. Its free, its quick to play, its multiplayer, its really easy to use for a system of this, and since you are a huge pile of geeks, those who havent tried it would be well advised to do so, if you havent already.</p>
<p>Note &#8211; there is another client out there that is much more basic and requires the player to do most stuff manually. OLBBL i think (unless they switched? not sure) Some people prefer this, but Fumbbl handles the dice rolling and the aftergame stuff for you and thats much easier.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fanciest Of Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fanciest Of Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s rumours of a new edition of Space hulk(in board game form) due out this year sometime. Would be great If that was true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s rumours of a new edition of Space hulk(in board game form) due out this year sometime. Would be great If that was true.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Tysoe</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/02/20/purge-with-fire-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-26445</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Tysoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got the mobile phone game, but never worked out how to get the &quot;FPS&quot; mode it was supposed to have. the board game implentation seems pretty close for 2nd Ed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got the mobile phone game, but never worked out how to get the &#8220;FPS&#8221; mode it was supposed to have. the board game implentation seems pretty close for 2nd Ed.</p>
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