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		<title>By: apb sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>apb sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abp sucks there is no other way to say it......its to unstable and laggy to play atm since they turned on punkbuster.which every one dont fucking work......then lets not for get this lil gem here....http://www.vg247.com/2010/07/02/some-people-had-too-high-expectations-for-apb-says-jones/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abp sucks there is no other way to say it&#8230;&#8230;its to unstable and laggy to play atm since they turned on punkbuster.which every one dont fucking work&#8230;&#8230;then lets not for get this lil gem here&#8230;.<a href="http://www.vg247.com/2010/07/02/some-people-had-too-high-expectations-for-apb-says-jones/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vg247.com/2010/07/02/some-people-had-too-high-expectations-for-apb-says-jones/</a>
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		<title>By: Erlam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erlam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was up for it until I saw the gameplay. How can you say you&#039;re looking at how Counter-strike did things, and then have some bizarre, OTS, auto-aim style shooting. CS was about being better at aiming, controlling recoil, and movement than the other player.

This... isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was up for it until I saw the gameplay. How can you say you&#8217;re looking at how Counter-strike did things, and then have some bizarre, OTS, auto-aim style shooting. CS was about being better at aiming, controlling recoil, and movement than the other player.</p>
<p>This&#8230; isn&#8217;t.
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		<title>By: Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site has some answers (thx Tom) 
http://www.apb-evolved.com 
&gt;Servers will hold 100 players maximum and there are considered &quot;districts&quot; of the city. Half can be cops, half can be robbers, or depending on skill level, higher ranked players can fight in smaller numbers against greater hordes of opposition. Players can also design their own graffiti to put up around the district. Also, they will be able to trade custom designs with others.&lt;
Ahm hooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site has some answers (thx Tom)<br />
<a href="http://www.apb-evolved.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apb-evolved.com</a><br />
&gt;Servers will hold 100 players maximum and there are considered &#8220;districts&#8221; of the city. Half can be cops, half can be robbers, or depending on skill level, higher ranked players can fight in smaller numbers against greater hordes of opposition. Players can also design their own graffiti to put up around the district. Also, they will be able to trade custom designs with others.&lt;<br />
Ahm hooked.
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		<title>By: Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be my first MOG after Ultima Online. 
IF the city is big enough to make a heist without having ten cops waiting at every streetcorner...or ten thousand batboy-vigilantes with RPGs per city block.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be my first MOG after Ultima Online.<br />
IF the city is big enough to make a heist without having ten cops waiting at every streetcorner&#8230;or ten thousand batboy-vigilantes with RPGs per city block.
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice article, I dont know if you have seen this fansite but its pretty good.  Seems to be the only one out there, but they are widely supported by Realtime

www.apb-evolved.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice article, I dont know if you have seen this fansite but its pretty good.  Seems to be the only one out there, but they are widely supported by Realtime</p>
<p><a href="http://www.apb-evolved.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.apb-evolved.com</a>
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		<title>By: soviet_</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, for quite a while I thought there should be an FPS game in an open world where its Police vs Criminals, kind of like CSS but in an open city. Talked about how cool it would be with friends on ventrilo many a night.

As a criminal you do missions like robbing a small store, earn some money, buy better equipment so you can try your hand at a bank heist. Police side, obviously you try and stop this from happening, you can go to the police station, arrest people, stop bank robberies etc. All in glorious 1st person too, imagine recreating the HEAT robbery.

Now this comes along and has really got my attention. It may be 3rd person and have the cliche &quot;look at me, I&#039;m a gangsta&quot; element to it, but it&#039;s a start</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, for quite a while I thought there should be an FPS game in an open world where its Police vs Criminals, kind of like CSS but in an open city. Talked about how cool it would be with friends on ventrilo many a night.</p>
<p>As a criminal you do missions like robbing a small store, earn some money, buy better equipment so you can try your hand at a bank heist. Police side, obviously you try and stop this from happening, you can go to the police station, arrest people, stop bank robberies etc. All in glorious 1st person too, imagine recreating the HEAT robbery.</p>
<p>Now this comes along and has really got my attention. It may be 3rd person and have the cliche &#8220;look at me, I&#8217;m a gangsta&#8221; element to it, but it&#8217;s a start
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		<title>By: Jambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit, this game looks badass!


I&#039;m going for this look, as will probably every other guy that plays this -
http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/mikedunbarmustang.jpg
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/333.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/Libra930/07-06-062Magnum.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit, this game looks badass!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going for this look, as will probably every other guy that plays this -<br />
<a href="http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/mikedunbarmustang.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.gerlecreek.com/images/mikedunbarmustang.jpg</a><br />
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		<title>By: Stromko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stromko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Gunz Online isn&#039;t insanely popular and I /still/ want to pile more crap on it. ;) 

I have to second Dorian, who sorta seconded me so fair enough. Gunz Online drew me in promising that I could build whatever character I like and jump into this great shooter game, but instead just.. ick. There is no choice of how your character looks, you only unlock a new clothing and weapon item every five levels and if you want to continue to advance you must constantly upgrade to the most optimal equipment.

It&#039;s certainly relevant to mention it here. If the developers of APB mess up, or their publisher pressures them, they could fall into the exact same trap. A sea of customization and equipment options, subsumed and ruined by a grindathon leveling mechanic.

I&#039;d far sooner see APB borrow every feature good and bad from CS, than see it turn into another grindariffic torture session of a game. Thus, in the end, I&#039;m not that worried by that bulletpoint.

I am worried at the lack of support that Webzen is giving to its products though. Neither APB nor Huxley have official sites of their own, it lists their official websites as N/A, but used to say &#039;Coming Soon&#039;. Additional, Webzen&#039;s site still lists both of them as coming out in 2007, which clearly is not even remotely true.

Webzen doesn&#039;t seem to have any publishing legacy in the U.S., and the games that have been published (mostly in Korea only) are either incredibly derivative or obviously and exclusively casual-focused or family-focused.

It really makes me wonder if we&#039;re going to look back at this situation in a year, and say, &quot;Webzen is where good games go to die.&quot;, or, if this signals a hands-off approach that will leave the burden on developers to make great games or wilt on their own. APB looks golden now because they&#039;ve just released impressive gameplay vids, but Huxley did the same thing years ago and now? Still no official website, no marketing, no sign at all it&#039;s coming out anytime in the foreseeable future.

Bad sign. Even Atriarch Online had a more active and supported community than this. Hell, it probably /still/ does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Gunz Online isn&#8217;t insanely popular and I /still/ want to pile more crap on it. ;) </p>
<p>I have to second Dorian, who sorta seconded me so fair enough. Gunz Online drew me in promising that I could build whatever character I like and jump into this great shooter game, but instead just.. ick. There is no choice of how your character looks, you only unlock a new clothing and weapon item every five levels and if you want to continue to advance you must constantly upgrade to the most optimal equipment.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly relevant to mention it here. If the developers of APB mess up, or their publisher pressures them, they could fall into the exact same trap. A sea of customization and equipment options, subsumed and ruined by a grindathon leveling mechanic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d far sooner see APB borrow every feature good and bad from CS, than see it turn into another grindariffic torture session of a game. Thus, in the end, I&#8217;m not that worried by that bulletpoint.</p>
<p>I am worried at the lack of support that Webzen is giving to its products though. Neither APB nor Huxley have official sites of their own, it lists their official websites as N/A, but used to say &#8216;Coming Soon&#8217;. Additional, Webzen&#8217;s site still lists both of them as coming out in 2007, which clearly is not even remotely true.</p>
<p>Webzen doesn&#8217;t seem to have any publishing legacy in the U.S., and the games that have been published (mostly in Korea only) are either incredibly derivative or obviously and exclusively casual-focused or family-focused.</p>
<p>It really makes me wonder if we&#8217;re going to look back at this situation in a year, and say, &#8220;Webzen is where good games go to die.&#8221;, or, if this signals a hands-off approach that will leave the burden on developers to make great games or wilt on their own. APB looks golden now because they&#8217;ve just released impressive gameplay vids, but Huxley did the same thing years ago and now? Still no official website, no marketing, no sign at all it&#8217;s coming out anytime in the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>Bad sign. Even Atriarch Online had a more active and supported community than this. Hell, it probably /still/ does.
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		<title>By: Butler`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butler`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*makes a sweeping generalisation about CS and WoW because of their popularity*

zzzzzzzzzz</description>
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<p>zzzzzzzzzz
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		<title>By: malkav11</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand wanting progression to be more or less horizontal. The expanding options rather than raising raw power setup. I think that I could live with that. But it didn&#039;t sound like that was the goal. It sounded like the goal was to remove progression as a game element. And I will *always* favor a game with progression as an element over one without it, all other things being equal. It just makes it more interesting to me. Like I&#039;m actually achieving something by playing instead of just puttering around randomly wasting my time.

It&#039;s significant that there are only two multiplayer shooters ever to capture my attention - Team Fortress 2, which primarily got me with its amazing style and distinctive class roles, and Call of Duty 4, because it has levelling and perks. (And even then, I tried TF2 only because it was included in my Orange Box purchase, at a price point of $25. I don&#039;t own CoD4, so I can&#039;t play multiplayer, and I&#039;m not buying it for that at $50, or even $30, nosir.) TF2&#039;s the sort of thing that many will no doubt try to emulate but few will achieve, if any. CoD4&#039;s system, on the other hand...that&#039;s the sort of thing that people can run with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand wanting progression to be more or less horizontal. The expanding options rather than raising raw power setup. I think that I could live with that. But it didn&#8217;t sound like that was the goal. It sounded like the goal was to remove progression as a game element. And I will *always* favor a game with progression as an element over one without it, all other things being equal. It just makes it more interesting to me. Like I&#8217;m actually achieving something by playing instead of just puttering around randomly wasting my time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s significant that there are only two multiplayer shooters ever to capture my attention &#8211; Team Fortress 2, which primarily got me with its amazing style and distinctive class roles, and Call of Duty 4, because it has levelling and perks. (And even then, I tried TF2 only because it was included in my Orange Box purchase, at a price point of $25. I don&#8217;t own CoD4, so I can&#8217;t play multiplayer, and I&#8217;m not buying it for that at $50, or even $30, nosir.) TF2&#8242;s the sort of thing that many will no doubt try to emulate but few will achieve, if any. CoD4&#8242;s system, on the other hand&#8230;that&#8217;s the sort of thing that people can run with.
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re sick of mmos it is because you think...&quot;

That would be better phrased as a question rather than a statement, you clearly don&#039;t know what someone else is thinking or why they dislike something unless they specifically say so.

I personally am just sick of MMOs because playing with huge amounts of other people no longer holds any interest for me.  That and it seems a new one is being announced every week.

I just don&#039;t like the assumption that taking, for example, your favourite singleplayer game and suddenly sticking 1200 other people in its setting with you somehow makes it better.  For me it just results in any lack of connection or immersion with a game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re sick of mmos it is because you think&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be better phrased as a question rather than a statement, you clearly don&#8217;t know what someone else is thinking or why they dislike something unless they specifically say so.</p>
<p>I personally am just sick of MMOs because playing with huge amounts of other people no longer holds any interest for me.  That and it seems a new one is being announced every week.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t like the assumption that taking, for example, your favourite singleplayer game and suddenly sticking 1200 other people in its setting with you somehow makes it better.  For me it just results in any lack of connection or immersion with a game.
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Gillen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with a good ramble, sir. It&#039;s unlikely we&#039;ll fill the internet up.

KG</description>
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<p>KG
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