By RPS on February 25th, 2008 at 9:33 pm.

We’ve been trying to work out a way to do something a little more like reviews on RPS for a while, without actually doing anything as boring as that. We’ve come up with this: The RPS Verdict. The idea is simple. We take a recently released game that most of us have played and just have a little chat about it. Those who haven’t played it act like an interested party, asking whatever questions come to mind. Then, at the end, we pose a single question to the panel: Would you buy it? Also, add jokes to season, as is our wont, and lob up here.
We thought we’d start this new tradition with the recently-released shooter, The Club.
Kieron: Right – the Club: It’s from Bizarre Creations, who we mainly know for Geometry Wars and Project Gotham Racing. This is them doing their own “thing”. It’s basically the shooter as reconcieved by a racing team, with a splash of 1-on-1 fighters (and Rockstar’s art direction). Levels are short. They’re basically you in an enclosed area, trying to get from one end to the other while scoring points. You get more points for more impressive kills, like headshots, doing a forward roll before taking the bullet and at a distance. But the real points are scored by chaining kills. If you manage to kill someone else within a time from the last kill, your multiplier increases. Fail, and the multiplier bleeds away. So the heart of the game is moving as fast as you can to keep that hot, while offing everyone. Chasing pinball-game high scores. And, basically, that’s it.
John: For this conversation, I will be playing the role of QT3′s Worm. [John hasn't played The Club, so acts as moderator for this discussion, abstaining from the final vote - Exposition Ed]
Jim: I think the chaining thing is where I want to get off The Club immediately, it’s a third person shooter, not R-Type I don’t want to be rushed. It’s too much like a conveyor belt. Perhaps the real problem for me, though, is that it lacks bombast. All the kills are weak and pudding-like. My interest in these shooters is usually whether a seat-of-the-pants defeat of enemies is possible, or not. In The Club I don’t feel like I command a fight, like I can in, say, Max Payne. Yeah, it’s not without a skill challenge, it just never seems very fun. Especially when you can have a superficially similar superficial shooter experience with, say, Stranglehold
Kieron: I agree with the latter point, but not the former. I mean, I see no problem with a third person shooter following its own rules.
Jim: Sure, but these rules don’t seem to add up to a game that satisfies in anyway, especially when it becomes about learning the spawns as you do a level.
Kieron: Now, that is a reservation for me, but… how is that any difference from any of the brilliant chain-shooters or even stuff like Guitar Hero? The biggest problem is the second half – it lacks character and the kills just aren’t fun enough.
Alec: I think the memorisation aspect is overstated by some people. Some people being Kieron and Jim. It’s more about reflex, the flow of the thing. I mean, you have to learn the level layout, but killing the baddies is more about reaction times…
Kieron: But it’s not though. You know where the bads are coming from every time, so you have your target their waiting.
Alec: there’s a baddie around every corner/. Memorisation almost seems irrelevant. you have to have your cursor at headshot level at all times. Though I’d agree there are certain pop-up-in-the-far-distance wretches you do need to have some forewarning of…

John: Why is it a bad thing to learn a path in this game, whereas you might spend 300 hours learning a song in GH, or a dance in Dance, Dance, My Feet Are On Fire VII?
Kieron: Dance, Dance, My Feet Are On Fire VII was such a disappointment.
Kieron: The problem isn’t the memorisation really. Guitar hero is just memorisation, far more than the Club is, but gives an amazing pay out. The Club’s payout is weak.
Alec: I’m fine with predictable or repetitious in that way, but you need reward for it. The Club doesn’t give it. It just gives a number at the top-right of the screen.
John Why doesn’t the Club give reward for learning routes?
Alec: I’ll default, as I always do, to talking about Peggle. It uses sonic and visual cues to a) let you know you’re doing well and b) make you feel good about it. The Club doesn’t bother. Its world and its cues are all entirely perfunctory. If you’re not excited by the mere fact of the big number getting bigger, it doesn’t do anything else to lend a sense of thrill
Jim: Alec is right. The output from The Club isn’t enough. Numbers aside, in Guitar Hero the reward for pressing buttons is ROCK MUSIC, in The Club it’s just goons falling down.
John: But we LOVE goons falling over!
Alec: But they’re not goons. Goons suggests big-faced nincompoop. These are just somebody’s action figure digitised. They barely even react to being shot.
John: So, Jim, you were saying that GH offers rock, whereas The Club offers falling goons. Why isn’t that enough?
Jim: There’s something pretty important going on with how people think about the output in a game. The very first session at GDC was about this…
Kieron: Ooh. Fancy.
Jim: Where the Everyday Shooter guy basically demonstrated how graphics do effect how we feel about the game we’re playing. EveryDay shooter without the lovely visuals is no fun. He thinks it’s about “owning” the output, and our relationship to it. So me “owning” infinite, similar goon deaths is less interesting than being a rock star, for example but it’s going to be more complex than that, clearly. Since there’s all this stuff about how we react towards the stuff we’re interacting with on screen
John: Kieron – why does the repeated goon killing fail in The Club when it works in Max Payne?
Kieron: I actually agree with Jim here, which is annoying, as I like to hate him.
Alec: I actually hate him.
Kieron: In the case of Max Payne, it’s worth remembering it was a long time ago and the mechanics were more interesting – the bullet time, etc. But for me, the failure of the Club to give a decent output is also tied to another general aesthetic failing. That Rock Star quasi-realistic look to the whole thing. I think it was Alec who said that the game really needed something that made a bigger deal when you fucked shit up in a more dramatic way – the ULTRO KILLL of UT3 or equivalent is sorely missed.
Alec: Hey, it’s cheating to just quote my Gamer review!
Kieron: As it is, I was often running a 20x bonus and the game didn’t really care. It’s a ludicrous arcade game concept and it treats it like Max Payne. I mean, if ever a game should have ripped off Team Fortress 2, it’s this one.

John: So Alec, does it get being a shooter right, and then falls short on the embellishments? Or is it a crappy shooter too?
Alec: Crappy’s the wrong word. ‘Adequate’ would be a better one.
Kieron: I’d play Adequate Shooter in a heartbeat.
John: I might sell it on my planned “Bath’s Most Mediocre Cakes” stand.
Alec: Thing is you don’t actually notice that it’s fairly sub-par in terms of character response and weapon feel when you’re busy chasing the high score. Try out the multiplayer and it’s abundantly obvious. The AI drones fall in one headshot, but get two players in it and you can have two guys stood face-to-face unloading pistols directly at each other, and neither falls over for ages. It’s like Stormtrooper versus Baddie from the A-Team.
John: So it gets fundamentals wrong too? It’s not simply a case of our being weary with third-person action without frills?
Jim: Yeah, i think if it had been a more bombastic shooter, with flair both in the physics and the visuals, it might have succeeded. The key criticism is in what Gillen said: it’s an arcade game that isn’t arcade enough. It needs a touch of Time Crisis or something.
John: So yeah, The Club’s big hook is the high score chasing. Something that you could argue has been woefully absent in action games of late.
Kieron: Okay – this, for me, is absolutely the Club’s saving grace. As a mechanism, it’s very clean and – when it works – very rewarding. Yeah, the AI is rubbish – as it should be. They’re not actually competitors – they’re targets. The game litters the courses with actual targets which keep your combo bonus up – in practice, on the standard difficulty levels, the real soldiers are as little threat as those things pasted to the walls. So, when you know the course, actually trying to maximise your score works really well. Trying to decide when you should shoot that guard – you end up farming them, realising that if you shoot them immediately, by the time you reach the next bad guy, you’ll have lost your combo… so you wait untli you’re nearer to take the shot. And when you’re doing the compare-score thing… well, the real multiplayer for me is the taking turns one. Your mate has a run at a course. Then you do. Who can get the highest score? The levels are short enough to treat it like that. Basically, at its core, it’s a good idea for a game. I just wish they had more actual belief in that idea.

John: Jim, what number am I thinking of?
Jim: 37
John: Wrong.
Kieron: 69?
John: I was only thinking of it for Jim. Mr Meer – what are the game’s saving graces in your opinion? Why does it score above mediocre?
Alec: By way of response, I shall present an exciting opportunity to defame someone we all know.
Kieron: Is it John? I hope it’s John.
Alec: And for once, I’m not talking about John and his predeliction for young, hairless boys.
John: Ah, an insinuation of paedophilia!
Alec: Whenever I meet up with PC Format‘s Mike Channell, he excitedly informs me where he’s gotten to on the leaderboards, even hitting a wordwide number seven spot for one of the maps – and that really, really excites him.
John: He too is a young, hairless boy.
Alec: It’s anathema to me, but I’m fully cognisant that the competitive thing is exactly what some people want from a game, and all the stuff we’re bitching about in The Club is entirely irrelevant to them. They just want to be the best – the game world could be a wireframe with dancing spots in it for all they care.

John: Go ahead Kieron, say something wanky about the game.
Kieron: I suspect we all know which way the voting’s going to go for this – but, for me, it’s still a brave and worthwhile game. I also suspect much of what was said above is gonna make us look like Hypocrites when we do Audiosurf. But! Worry about that when we get there. It’s basically a game with one good idea – which is all that a game really needs. But a game really needs to follow that idea to its full conclusion to sell it. Imagine Guitar Hero which only included tunes no-one knew, with no cheers or whatever. That’s basically, The Club. And while I get the urge to play it a few times, it’s not one which anyone should run out and throw down full price for.
…
Kieron: VOTE!
Jim: I wouldn’t spend money on it.
Kieron: I wouldn’t spend the money they’re charging for it. So No.
Alec: I vote no, whilst wholly appreciating why someone else might vote yes.
John: Geometry Wars is great! [Abstains].
Kieron: In conclusion: Buy Geometry Wars and give them money to give to charity too.
And so, our scores, with help from our special guest thumb, Optimus Prime. Your votes, gentlemen please:
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Our verdict: No sale.
John: And finally folks, where is Phil Harrison going to work next?
John: The correct answer is Atari. But that’s boring.
Kieron: Guest columnist on UK:Resistance, I heard.
Alec: Maybe he’s off to oversee the inexplicable Gizmondo relaunch. In the same way one of the dudes who made and launched the Xbox went and worked on that preposterous Phantom console.
John: Are you directly stating that Phil Harrison is an embezzler, Alec?
Kieron: Isn’t that a little like “Let’s relaunch smallpox”?
Kieron: That Smallpox thing is probably libelous, yeah?
John: And: scene.


25/02/2008 at 21:45 Homunculus says:
Bravo! More of this sort of thing, please.
You know it’s a hearty un-recommendation when even Optimus Prime struggles to have anything nice to say about it.
25/02/2008 at 21:46 Alex says:
Nice new feature. Couldn’t you do something like this on classic PC games, too? I’d like to hear a panel review of this on, say, something like Thief, too.
Isn’t Geometry Wars supposed to be kind of shit on the PC?
25/02/2008 at 21:48 dzy says:
i played this game for maybe 10 mins, have not touched it since.
says it all.
25/02/2008 at 21:54 John Walker says:
It’s brilliant on 360 and DS though. – Geo Wars I mean.
25/02/2008 at 21:56 fearian says:
I cant get over optimus primes thumb… its so… wrong.
I completely agree with the feedback from this game. Its terrible. When I heard about it a while ago I envisioned a UT killing spree on E. When I played the demo, It was like… crap.. on a shit… I dont know. it didnt make me feel special at all, you know? This needs to be an Unreal mod. :(
EDIT: Its just as shit on the 360, dont let anyone fool you.
25/02/2008 at 22:01 Janek says:
As Homunculus says, more of this sort of thing.
Just the right balance of playful silliness and actual critical debate of a game.
25/02/2008 at 22:06 Rook says:
I like it, but can we have it in audio format please?
25/02/2008 at 22:10 Matthew Gallant says:
Great review style, thank you Optimus Prime.
25/02/2008 at 22:13 alco75 says:
Finally, reviews/verdicts on the only scale I’ve ever really cared about: a) worth playing or b) not worth playing.
25/02/2008 at 22:16 Cigol says:
@Rook – an embedded podcast would be coolness personified
I was actually contemplating a purchase of this game on Steam but had my reservations reading reactions on forums. The concept is something I’d definitely like to see more of though – tapping into that gaming culture that was once commonplace but for some reason practically disappeared.
25/02/2008 at 22:27 Nick says:
Great format, I agree with the “more of this sort of thing” please. Thank you.
25/02/2008 at 22:28 HasbroLawyerGuy says:
Excellent article, but are you suggesting actual un-endorsement of the product by Optimus Prime (TM)?
25/02/2008 at 22:31 Fumarole says:
As Janek said Homunculus says, more please. This kind of review is much better than an arbitrary numbering system.
25/02/2008 at 22:36 K says:
I think they missed out by not adding a little depth to the game characters. I would have liked to have seen a bit of back story after completing each tournament, showing me the motivations of the character I’m playing, a bit of their history, and such.
I think the trailer revealed more about the characters than the entire game did. Sad.
25/02/2008 at 22:42 derFeef says:
Good review, I like that. But somehow I am enjoying The Club. Its something new and i fully support devs making such things. Its just a little bit too expensive.
25/02/2008 at 23:06 Benjamin Barker says:
On DS you say? They probably pump up the arcadey visuals for its little screen(s), right? Which might be good; I was just playing a little Ouendan… So feel free to elaborate on the DS version. (I could just try and look up a review, but like you said: boring.)
25/02/2008 at 23:15 Jon says:
Coolest bit for me was that you used Optimus Prime’s hand for the thumbs up/down
25/02/2008 at 23:19 StolenName says:
“I see no problem with a third person shooter following its own rules.” Touche
25/02/2008 at 23:22 Optimaximal says:
Masterpiece Optimus Prime FTW :)
Good ‘debate’ there lads.
25/02/2008 at 23:25 Wickedashtray says:
To the few who bought Sin II when it was released on Steam, you might have stuck around long enough to remember a great little bit of downloadable content called “Arena Mode”. It was a timed survival thing with constantly respawning AI, some of which would drop health, ammo etc. It had several levels drawn out from the single player campaign. To this day whenever I reinstall Steam its always the first thing I download because it was so damned fun. At the end of a round it would show you your stats (ie; accuracy, reloads, headshots, etc)
The reason I mention it is that not only is it similar to The Club, but, Ritual addressed one of the complaints mentioned in the review and my biggest complaint in the game, they made it FUN to kill opponents. When you shot an opponent in Arena Mode you could hear the ammo impact the enemy which then jerked backwards giving one that little “bite” of satisfaction which was addictive. The Club, well, you may as well be shooting the cardboard cut-outs from the training level.
Had Bizarre taken a few lessons from Ritual’s Arena Mode, the game would’ve fared much better IMO.
25/02/2008 at 23:34 Satsuz says:
Ditto on all of the “More of this sort of thing” comments.
I’m personally not in favor of audio format. I prefer to read it at my own speed rather than try to keep up with an actual conversation between multiple people.
25/02/2008 at 23:37 MeestaNob! says:
This game seems like a super purchase come bargain bin time, but for now its just too shallow and, dare I say it, consoley.
(awaits abuse)
25/02/2008 at 23:43 Leeks! says:
Great new feature, RPS team. Looking forward to more of the same.
One humble criticism, though– you almost lost me at the beginning of the discussion, as it seemed like everyone had taken their stance, no one was willing to be convinced of anyone else’s opinion, and Moderating Superstar John wasn’t telling anyone to move on. Of course it did move along to a deeper discussion about four lines later, so all’s well.
25/02/2008 at 23:47 Chris R says:
This is great, I really liked the format. It seemed like you guys had all gathered for a pint and just started saying what was on your mind. Good stuff.
Also…. MOAR PLAESEE!
25/02/2008 at 23:53 Alex Hopkinson says:
Regarding Geometry Wars on the PC, I can confirm that it is a pretty terrible port – I bought it on Steam when my 360 went in for repair last august. There’s slowdown quite early on, despite my PC being capable of enjoying Bioshock and ETQW at full settings. Changing the resolution was quite the challenge as well, with god knows how many restarts of the game before it finally stuck. Unless there’s been a patch I’ve not spotted since then, of course (I’m pretty sure there hasn’t been).
25/02/2008 at 23:55 Will Tomas says:
Bravo! Great stuff, exactly what RPS is all about. More please!
25/02/2008 at 23:55 Zeno, Internetographer says:
Fun fact: Making something new != making something good.
In reference to the game, not to your Verdict, of which I wholeheartedly approve.
25/02/2008 at 23:57 PleasingFungus says:
Fairly interesting. I could see more of this.
Alex (commenter): Grid Wars was brilliant, and I shan’t hear a word said against it.
26/02/2008 at 00:01 BrokenSymmetry says:
Great feature, this. I love The Club, though. Most shooters (Halo, GeoW, HL2, etc.) leave me pretty cold, as they always feel as if I’m just being channeled from one set piece to another. But The Club, especially in its Siege and Time Attack modes, adds a sense of urgency that feels pretty innovative to me. I also get pretty excited when I improve my lap time by 1/100th of a second in PGR after 50 laps, so it’s true that The Club may appeal most to those kind of high-scoring gamers.
26/02/2008 at 00:30 caesarbear says:
This is exactly the kind of “review” feature I’ve been looking for. Keep it up.
26/02/2008 at 00:31 Gnarl says:
This is exactly the type of article to read while mildly drunk and listening to Barenaked Ladies. More, if you would.
26/02/2008 at 00:49 Stromko says:
Very fun article. I feel like I would’ve respected the verdict whether I agreed with it or not, all the reasons for either camp were kind of parsed out and disassembled nicely but quickly.
In this case I do agree, it might be a good game in the 10 – 20$ price range but there’s no way it’ll get the time investment and fun output with me that would at all rationalize a 40 – 50$ purchase.
In technical aspects, I felt the controls felt too sluggish, the camera was way too close to my character, and there wasn’t really a difficulty to headshots. In other words, it makes way way more sense on a console. Getting it on a console completely nullifies the point of buying it even in the 10- 20$ range though, because one rent for me would get all the fun out of it.
But yeah, I’m not the type of person who vies for lap time on PGR. There may well be a market for The Club at full price that I’m just not a member of.
26/02/2008 at 01:15 Andrew says:
More of this sort of thing.
26/02/2008 at 01:43 MisterBritish says:
Did the RPS Overmind split itself into seperate, quivering masses for this discussion, or did it dedicate it’s combined intellect to simulating four distinct personalities?
More to the point; will I survive the night now I’ve revealed the horrible truth?
26/02/2008 at 01:47 Muzman says:
I like this format also fellas, and the idea that if you guys talk together as well as you write together it’d be a great podcast sort of thing too.
Shame about The Club; I was hoping it’d be more stunt based, sounds like it’s not though. Like there’s special bonuses for emptying an entire clip into one guy, kills with flying furniture or limbs, falling etc. Mayhem bonuses, Clinician bonuses.
It’d all make things a bit more open ended and hard to keep the ‘track’ concept fair, so maybe I’m dreaming of a different sort of game entirely.
26/02/2008 at 04:10 Will says:
THIS TIME.
“If you like, a loot of chocolate on your biscuit; join our
CLUB!”
Also, have my babies, RPS.
26/02/2008 at 05:38 malkav11 says:
Hmm. Clearly not my sort of game. I have absolutely zero interest in chasing high scores without any other sort of positive reinforcement. I don’t play Guitar Hero games or Rock Band to get high scores, I play them for the rock music and the satisfaction of nailing complicated note sections. I don’t play Audiosurf to get high scores, I play it to experience my music as a game. Etc.
This is why I tend not to get anything out of the shmup genre.
26/02/2008 at 06:39 Johnny Go-Time says:
Holy crap, what an excellent feature you guys!
Having read only one of these articles, I’m willing to say that this is as significant for the thoughtful analysis of games as Zero Punctuation is for the (equally-important) job of keeping us all grounded!
PS: So please make sure you provide an easy way to get at a list of links to your “Verdicts” from the front page…
26/02/2008 at 06:48 lalahsghost says:
I approve of:
*The format of this talk-session review
*Geometry Wars
*Everyday Shooter
*Peggle Reward stimulatory devices
*Optimus Prime’s Hand
5/5 100 :)
26/02/2008 at 08:06 marxeil says:
Wow, great feature. You guys make reading about games much more interesting and fun then playing them.
Also, another vote for having this on audio.
26/02/2008 at 08:12 Joonas says:
Nice feature, could’ve cut down on some of the chatter. Gotta agree with the review. I like The Club as a high-score game, but it could really use that Time Crisis vibe. It’s just not worth the full asking price.
26/02/2008 at 08:34 UncleLou says:
Great feature, and very useful – more so than reviews generally are. More of it, please!
26/02/2008 at 09:27 Meat Circus says:
Is this review, commentary or criticism?
Maybe it’s all three. RPS: willfully mashing the boundaries of narrative games journalism, as and when they can be arsed.
Good jorb.
26/02/2008 at 09:27 Rasmus says:
Funny how no one mentions the beloved bonus mode of Resident Evil 4, which put you in a contained area full of spawning baddies and had you rack up points via kill-combos… And is damn fun, especially if you take turns with a friend! Too bad The Club seems so generic and soulless in it’s art direction and lacking in it’s feedback, but it sure sounds like that’s where the idea came from. One could also draw parallells to that much-hated old Gamecube goodie PN 03 (initially part of the same Capcom series until RE4 got delayed, if I remember correctly), which was a 3rd person action game based entirely on combos and memoriziation of enemy locations – and contrary to public opinion, actually enjoyable, if in a very painful way :)
Anyway, good feature! Bring it on.
26/02/2008 at 09:33 beeber says:
This was fun. What you could do is record it for audio format, host it on the blog, and then include it as a regular weekly feature for One Life Left, thus plugging the blog (and giving OLL some kind of games content).
I should be your business manager.
26/02/2008 at 10:28 Lu-Tze says:
Off at a tangent… but I don’t find Guitar Hero to be a case of memorizing every section of a song by playing it hundreds of times, if I can’t do a song then I go away and either complete some Bonus Tracks or try to get another song up to 5 stars. (Exception : Guitar Battles have to be played repeatedly, until the random weapon generator graces you)
Of course, if you are chasing the highest scores ever or some of the harder achievements then learning the song by rote is required, but that is true of almost every game. Guitar Hero in it’s “casual” form though is a matter of improving your pattern recognition, dexterity and timing.
26/02/2008 at 10:31 Meat Circus says:
I think RPS should get at least one female brain involved in such discussions in the interests of roundedness. You know, other than John Walker.
26/02/2008 at 10:34 Alec Meer says:
I don’t think any of the Arcee figures have thumbs, sadly.
26/02/2008 at 11:26 kwyjibo says:
When’s your next “should have been a podcast” review?
26/02/2008 at 11:29 Kieron Gillen says:
Meat: And we don’t know any women. (Apart from Walker.)
kwyjibo: Er… we’re going to try and do ‘em weekly. And, as you correctly analyse, this is us trying to do something a bit podcasty without doing a podcast. Yet, anyway.
KG
26/02/2008 at 11:40 Alarik says:
So I guess Mercenaries from Resident Evil 4 are still way better? .-) I like ‘Waterworld’ map especially.
26/02/2008 at 12:17 Alex Hopkinson says:
PleasingFungus: I was referring to the PC port of Geometry Wars that Bizzare sell over Steam, not Grid Wars. Both Geometry Wars and Grid Wars are great games but the PC port of Geometry Wars is pretty bad.
26/02/2008 at 13:02 skillian says:
As mentioned regarding Resident Evil and Sin Episodes, this sort of thing would work better as a bonus to an existing game than as a standalone. Call of Duty 4 has a similar thing too with the unlockable Arcade mode.
When I got the hacked Crysis demo, me and a friend spent ages competing for most kills with 40 sniper bullets. These sorts of challenges should be included in games more – even in Perfect Dark, I spent more time downstairs hitting targets in record times than I did in the actual game.
26/02/2008 at 16:26 Jason O says:
When The Club launched it was receiving pretty high reviews. I liked the demo but I was frustrated by the score combo mechanic style of gameplay. I liked the way it controlled, I liked the weapons, and I liked the environments but I hated being rushed through the level.
I wouldn’t say memorization is key, but it’s more of an old school “pattern recognition” style game like what we’re used to from the 8 and 16 bit days. It’s an incredible throwback to an older style of gaming but using modern visuals. That in of itself is weird.
I understand the high review scores but I’m also disappointed because a lot of the reviewers did not cover the downsides of this gameplay style like RPS did. I suspect someone is going to read a review of The Club and then find themselves disappointed.
I can see the appeal to a certain type of player, but it does not strike me as a game with broad appeal. I suppose we’ll wait and see what the sales numbers say.
26/02/2008 at 17:21 terry says:
I enjoy this review style a lot – it really forces getting to the pros and cons far more quickly and its always fun to see the intellectual cut and thrust of instant messaging (er). The scores remind me of the old “HIT/MISS” system in Your Spectrum which can only be a good thing.
As for The Club, I don’t think I am in the target market, being of the opinion that the rail shooter lost its way since the mighty Cabal.
26/02/2008 at 21:08 Crispy says:
I’ve seen The Club in GAME for £20 already and I think the same is true of the obvious online retailers. It’s not my bag but I’m sure a quick price check at the time of publication would have slightly undermined one of your main points that it’s ‘entertainment of a sort but not worth the asking price’.
26/02/2008 at 23:07 nabeel says:
Great idea, looking forward to more “reviews”. Podcast would be awesome; it’s really too bad that PC Gamer UK does their podcast MONTHLY (wtf??), and some of you guys only appear on it occasionally. An RPS podcast would be awesome.
nabeel
26/02/2008 at 23:18 Alec Meer says:
Y’all really are better off with our STRONG WORDS than our snivelling voices, trust me.
27/02/2008 at 09:38 Matthew says:
(didnt check if someone else posted this so sorry if they have…)
Geometry Wars has a really nice punchy feel to it; when things get hot they get shit hot, and this is all down to the visual and aural output.
So we know Bizarre have an understanding of this kind of thing, have they deliberately chosen to leave it out of The Club?
27/02/2008 at 10:45 Kieron Gillen says:
I suspect it may be down to commercial realities: Quasi-realism is believed to interest more people than abstractation or cartooning.
KG
27/02/2008 at 22:38 Jack says:
Love this review style, all I really want to know from a review is ‘buy’ or ‘don’t buy’ :)
28/02/2008 at 00:29 Alex says:
I quite like the One-Sentence Review of The Club over at Something Awful (eventhough it’s about the 360 version):
04/03/2008 at 05:27 Joshua says:
Totally disagree with this. The Club is some hot shit. Shooting action is great, the timing and rhythm that Kieron alludes to is what makes it so tight and exciting. Getting a nice strong run is totally awesome, and every misstep here or there is one’s own fault. There are also plenty of levels, no shortage of stuff to learn.
The logic used to say Guitar Hero is superior is outright bizarre, by the way. Sure… your reward for playing well is ROCK MUSIC. But I could also listen to that ROCK MUSIC on my iPod with no problem whatsoever. You had nothing to do with the music’s creation as you play. You’re just fiddling around on a plastic guitar.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, GH is a fun game, but so is The Club. If you don’t like the aesthetic, that’s fine, I don’t necessarily blame anyone for that but aesthetic isn’t really the point now is it?