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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
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		<description>I applied writing a few lines about how computer games made me stalk and murder sensationlist journalists.</description>
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		<title>By: alphaxion</title>
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		<description>When the news of the byron report being comissioned first broke, I sent this email to them

http://www.pissheadnerds.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&amp;thread_id=3

And, while the gaming side of it came off better than I thought it would, they still didn&#039;t pay any attention to the way in which games are played.

Then we have the report linking up with a number of other government inquiries that all seem to be saying the same thing &quot;we need to restrict your net access because, you know.. there&#039;s dangerous stuff out there&quot;.

Their suggestion of placing &quot;parental control software for restricting net access onto every new computer&quot; is so technologically unsound and pointless - software will never work. A person browsing the net with you will, until the parent either feels you can be trusted or feels you are mature enough to no longer be supervised.

Yet more demands for censorship using someone elses definition of what is &quot;acceptable&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the news of the byron report being comissioned first broke, I sent this email to them</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pissheadnerds.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&#038;thread_id=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.pissheadnerds.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=2&#038;thread_id=3</a></p>
<p>And, while the gaming side of it came off better than I thought it would, they still didn&#8217;t pay any attention to the way in which games are played.</p>
<p>Then we have the report linking up with a number of other government inquiries that all seem to be saying the same thing &#8220;we need to restrict your net access because, you know.. there&#8217;s dangerous stuff out there&#8221;.</p>
<p>Their suggestion of placing &#8220;parental control software for restricting net access onto every new computer&#8221; is so technologically unsound and pointless &#8211; software will never work. A person browsing the net with you will, until the parent either feels you can be trusted or feels you are mature enough to no longer be supervised.</p>
<p>Yet more demands for censorship using someone elses definition of what is &#8220;acceptable&#8221;.
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		<title>By: Crispy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crispy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Aren&#039;t &#039;film-style&#039; BBFC ratings part of the problem?&quot;

The message here is clearly very ambiguous, with &#039;rating&#039; being a noun for both the process of deciding on a classification and for the fruits of this process: the classification itself.

If it simply means that the classification will be applied and displayed in the same way film ratings are displayed, using a homogenised display system for &#039;front-of-the-box&#039; notification: fine.

If it is used to mean &#039;the classification process&#039;; that the BBFC will analyse the varying degrees of adult content in games using the same process they apply to films, clearly this is a doomed system. In a perfect ratings system, games would require &lt;i&gt;exhaustive&lt;/i&gt;, systematic testing with every item acquired, every geographical nook and cranny checked and an invasive check on the game files to rule out the possibility of any hidden content (a la &lt;i&gt;Hot Coffee&lt;/i&gt;).

In a lot of cases, the QA testing process already assumes this role. The amount of stories I&#039;ve heard from testers about penises drawn on walls by texture artists, rude messages to publishers scrawled in hard to spot places, naked ladies, etc. is seemingly as neverending. There are at least a couple of instances in each game, all of which, once found, are reported in view of complying with the rating the game is being aimed at. Sometimes the content is less obvious, like corpses left hanging from hangmen&#039;s posts needing to be removed.

The point here is that if, for some reason, these items were overlooked by the first-party QA system, they would need to be picked up by the third-party rating system (i.e. the BBFC). Depending on the size of the game, this becomes a task demanding days of work per title, including cross-platform checks (since in some cases, different platforms would have to use a whole different set of game assets). This simply isn&#039;t practicable, which is why I would recommend first-party self-regulation, followed by a roadrunner check by the BBFC, followed by retrospective punishment with significant fines/legal action taken for anything later found to undermine the rating given.
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Apart from completely ignoring the issue of how the ratings process is to be best formulated for games in an accurate and bespoke manner, the report has been carried out with a good deal of sense, impartiality and dignity.

The next step is to put together a ratings system that can do the same, and judging from the BBFC&#039;s recent behaviour, this will need some addressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Aren&#8217;t &#8216;film-style&#8217; BBFC ratings part of the problem?&#8221;</p>
<p>The message here is clearly very ambiguous, with &#8216;rating&#8217; being a noun for both the process of deciding on a classification and for the fruits of this process: the classification itself.</p>
<p>If it simply means that the classification will be applied and displayed in the same way film ratings are displayed, using a homogenised display system for &#8216;front-of-the-box&#8217; notification: fine.</p>
<p>If it is used to mean &#8216;the classification process&#8217;; that the BBFC will analyse the varying degrees of adult content in games using the same process they apply to films, clearly this is a doomed system. In a perfect ratings system, games would require <i>exhaustive</i>, systematic testing with every item acquired, every geographical nook and cranny checked and an invasive check on the game files to rule out the possibility of any hidden content (a la <i>Hot Coffee</i>).</p>
<p>In a lot of cases, the QA testing process already assumes this role. The amount of stories I&#8217;ve heard from testers about penises drawn on walls by texture artists, rude messages to publishers scrawled in hard to spot places, naked ladies, etc. is seemingly as neverending. There are at least a couple of instances in each game, all of which, once found, are reported in view of complying with the rating the game is being aimed at. Sometimes the content is less obvious, like corpses left hanging from hangmen&#8217;s posts needing to be removed.</p>
<p>The point here is that if, for some reason, these items were overlooked by the first-party QA system, they would need to be picked up by the third-party rating system (i.e. the BBFC). Depending on the size of the game, this becomes a task demanding days of work per title, including cross-platform checks (since in some cases, different platforms would have to use a whole different set of game assets). This simply isn&#8217;t practicable, which is why I would recommend first-party self-regulation, followed by a roadrunner check by the BBFC, followed by retrospective punishment with significant fines/legal action taken for anything later found to undermine the rating given.<br />
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<p>Apart from completely ignoring the issue of how the ratings process is to be best formulated for games in an accurate and bespoke manner, the report has been carried out with a good deal of sense, impartiality and dignity.</p>
<p>The next step is to put together a ratings system that can do the same, and judging from the BBFC&#8217;s recent behaviour, this will need some addressing.
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		<title>By: Kieron Gillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Gillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Someone&#039;s linked it to us too. It&#039;s tempting to go in and find out which paper is doing this.

KG</description>
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<p>KG
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		<title>By: Electric Dragon</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.starnow.co.uk/Magazines-newspapers/computer_games_life_of_crime_stories_wanted.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; on Charlie Brooker&#039;s latest invective. I&#039;m tempted to tell them all about my radiator-and-gas-tank-fuelled-gravity-gun rampage through the quaint little town of Ravenholm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody posted <a href="http://www.starnow.co.uk/Magazines-newspapers/computer_games_life_of_crime_stories_wanted.htm" rel="nofollow">this link</a> on Charlie Brooker&#8217;s latest invective. I&#8217;m tempted to tell them all about my radiator-and-gas-tank-fuelled-gravity-gun rampage through the quaint little town of Ravenholm.
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		<title>By: mrrobsa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Daily Mail isn&#039;t posting anyone&#039;s comments because mine still hasn&#039;t come up either. Maybe they won&#039;t print it because I accuse Anne of being less knowlegable than almost every post after her story, and for calling them out on their rubbish rubbish phtotshopping.
Plus! Did anyone else reading BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones (^link further up in posts^) think that he was pretty feckless considering he&#039;s BBC&#039;s go to guy on this stuff? 
Rota-quote: &quot;I&#039;ve realised that I&#039;ve only just got to grips with games classification and I&#039;m pretty ignorant about where my sons are surfing.&quot;
&#039;Only just got to grips&#039; with game classification? I&#039;m surprised this guy can find the internet to post his guff (His accompanying photo does look like a confused middle-aged man trapped inside a web browser).
I&#039;ll write for you BBC! And I can understand classifications too! This one says &#039;12 - Contains one use of strong language&#039;
Tit.</description>
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Plus! Did anyone else reading BBC technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones (^link further up in posts^) think that he was pretty feckless considering he&#8217;s BBC&#8217;s go to guy on this stuff?<br />
Rota-quote: &#8220;I&#8217;ve realised that I&#8217;ve only just got to grips with games classification and I&#8217;m pretty ignorant about where my sons are surfing.&#8221;<br />
&#8216;Only just got to grips&#8217; with game classification? I&#8217;m surprised this guy can find the internet to post his guff (His accompanying photo does look like a confused middle-aged man trapped inside a web browser).<br />
I&#8217;ll write for you BBC! And I can understand classifications too! This one says &#8217;12 &#8211; Contains one use of strong language&#8217;<br />
Tit.
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		<title>By: Kieron Gillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Gillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud Gangsta Diamond.

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<p>KG
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		<title>By: James T</title>
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		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought I’d finish what the Daily Mail’s art team started.

http://www.darttweb.co.uk/uploads/anne_diamond.png&lt;/blockquote&gt;

She got 99 problems, but a game ain&#039;t one.</description>
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<p>She got 99 problems, but a game ain&#8217;t one.
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		<title>By: phuzz</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One day I&#039;ll work out how to put a mail bomb in every copy of the Daily Mail, and the morning after the world will be such a nice place :)

Anyway, I expect mainstream reporting of games to change over the next 10ish years as the older journalists who still handwrite everything are replaced by people who have actually played a computer game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One day I&#8217;ll work out how to put a mail bomb in every copy of the Daily Mail, and the morning after the world will be such a nice place :)</p>
<p>Anyway, I expect mainstream reporting of games to change over the next 10ish years as the older journalists who still handwrite everything are replaced by people who have actually played a computer game.
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		<title>By: AbyssUK</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet it was because she was holidng a PS3 and actually all the games shown are 360 games.. so they attempted badly to cover up the console and add in games over it. But why the microsoft hate I don&#039;t know, for fairness a few Wii + PS3 games should at least be displayed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Rather than, say, ban all forms of gaming and imprison any involved on the Sun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This sentence threw me for some time due to the capitalisation. Is forced labour on the nation&#039;s biggest tabloid so bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Rather than, say, ban all forms of gaming and imprison any involved on the Sun.</p></blockquote>
<p>This sentence threw me for some time due to the capitalisation. Is forced labour on the nation&#8217;s biggest tabloid so bad?
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Diamond?

Wasn&#039;t she the one who said the fall of the Berlin Wall was &lt;i&gt;a good thing&lt;/i&gt; because it meant East Germans could go shopping?</description>
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<p>Wasn&#8217;t she the one who said the fall of the Berlin Wall was <i>a good thing</i> because it meant East Germans could go shopping?
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