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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re all missing the most important point. Vista comes with graphical updates to Solitare and the sainted Minesweeper. Suck that Linux boys.

Also GiGo. If you&#039;re savvy enough to install a whole new operating system, then to dual boot it, then to find and install the drivers needed, then set up an emulator to run a program then you&#039;re probably savvy enough not to screw up your system. The vast majority of problems in any OS is you&#039;re own damn fault. Thats why Linux users boast better stability, they&#039;re more likely to know what they&#039;re doing because they did their home work first. Meanwhile, most windows users just take it for granted.

Also the GUI was stolen by Microsoft from Apple. But Apple had stolen it from IBM&#039;s paperless office. Just throwing that out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re all missing the most important point. Vista comes with graphical updates to Solitare and the sainted Minesweeper. Suck that Linux boys.</p>
<p>Also GiGo. If you&#8217;re savvy enough to install a whole new operating system, then to dual boot it, then to find and install the drivers needed, then set up an emulator to run a program then you&#8217;re probably savvy enough not to screw up your system. The vast majority of problems in any OS is you&#8217;re own damn fault. Thats why Linux users boast better stability, they&#8217;re more likely to know what they&#8217;re doing because they did their home work first. Meanwhile, most windows users just take it for granted.</p>
<p>Also the GUI was stolen by Microsoft from Apple. But Apple had stolen it from IBM&#8217;s paperless office. Just throwing that out there.
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		<title>By: AbyssUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>AbyssUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 10:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XP64 is the worst windows ever.  Seriously its terrible.. XP32 even with 64bit hardware is leaps and bounds better. I strongly recommend you &#039;downgrade&#039; to 32 bit XP. (unless you have over 4gigs of ram)

I had countless problems with XP64 with games and devices etc.. firstly because no bugger supports it and secondly if they do support it they do it half assed. The built in 32bit&gt;64bit (WOW) layers in XP64 are terrible really.. at least Vista 64 improved on this.

Also if i was going for a linux build i&#039;d also still keep to 32bits (unless you have 4gig+ ram). There really is no performance increase going to 64bit, unless your a crazy chemist attempting to simulate the random motion of an entire moles worth of molecules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>XP64 is the worst windows ever.  Seriously its terrible.. XP32 even with 64bit hardware is leaps and bounds better. I strongly recommend you &#8216;downgrade&#8217; to 32 bit XP. (unless you have over 4gigs of ram)</p>
<p>I had countless problems with XP64 with games and devices etc.. firstly because no bugger supports it and secondly if they do support it they do it half assed. The built in 32bit&gt;64bit (WOW) layers in XP64 are terrible really.. at least Vista 64 improved on this.</p>
<p>Also if i was going for a linux build i&#8217;d also still keep to 32bits (unless you have 4gig+ ram). There really is no performance increase going to 64bit, unless your a crazy chemist attempting to simulate the random motion of an entire moles worth of molecules.
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		<title>By: wyrmsine</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyrmsine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to post this when the topic first opened... I switched from win2k to xp64 four  months ago.  There are several Linux flavours on each of my dual-doot drives since last year, and the patience just isn&#039;t in me to make them work.  I&#039;m versed in the Mac as much as I can be, as a graphic designer, and gaming on a Mac seems a joke to me.  Windows would be my only choice, except....

Gametap mocks my 64 bits. I can&#039;t play a game over their service that I can buy (and play) for 5 dollars at my local big box store. XP64 refuses to run all matter of mod-installers for games/apps I&#039;ve purchased... unless I turn to the hackmasters that only a quiet population of enthusiasts  have learned of. 

I learned about computers by getting games to run.  I... saw X-Wing at about .4 FPS. Never actually played it, of course.  But it RAN. It was made to run. Incidentally, while I can plug my old Sidewinder into my computer now, it just cyan&#039; be recognized.  I can&#039;t even play some classics on modern tech.

Take what you will from it - I&#039;m an aged gamer, apparently nt so aged that it&#039;s not a desired demographic, and yet, the only OS I can choose denies me.  More and more , these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to post this when the topic first opened&#8230; I switched from win2k to xp64 four  months ago.  There are several Linux flavours on each of my dual-doot drives since last year, and the patience just isn&#8217;t in me to make them work.  I&#8217;m versed in the Mac as much as I can be, as a graphic designer, and gaming on a Mac seems a joke to me.  Windows would be my only choice, except&#8230;.</p>
<p>Gametap mocks my 64 bits. I can&#8217;t play a game over their service that I can buy (and play) for 5 dollars at my local big box store. XP64 refuses to run all matter of mod-installers for games/apps I&#8217;ve purchased&#8230; unless I turn to the hackmasters that only a quiet population of enthusiasts  have learned of. </p>
<p>I learned about computers by getting games to run.  I&#8230; saw X-Wing at about .4 FPS. Never actually played it, of course.  But it RAN. It was made to run. Incidentally, while I can plug my old Sidewinder into my computer now, it just cyan&#8217; be recognized.  I can&#8217;t even play some classics on modern tech.</p>
<p>Take what you will from it &#8211; I&#8217;m an aged gamer, apparently nt so aged that it&#8217;s not a desired demographic, and yet, the only OS I can choose denies me.  More and more , these days&#8230;
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		<title>By: Irish Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vista with Service Pack 1 is not bad at all. Don&#039;t hate it just becasue you read on the internet that you should hate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vista with Service Pack 1 is not bad at all. Don&#8217;t hate it just becasue you read on the internet that you should hate it.
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing how other kind folks have already turned this thread into a drive-by Linux evangelism love fest, I just wanted to point out that the new version of Ubuntu is coming soon, and anyone who&#039;s interested can try it out with no hassle or danger by downloading a live CD:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

What with installing drivers, patches and mods, most PC gamers are already technically literate enough to handle a modern Linux distro just fine, they just don&#039;t know it yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing how other kind folks have already turned this thread into a drive-by Linux evangelism love fest, I just wanted to point out that the new version of Ubuntu is coming soon, and anyone who&#8217;s interested can try it out with no hassle or danger by downloading a live CD:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ubuntu.com/</a></p>
<p>What with installing drivers, patches and mods, most PC gamers are already technically literate enough to handle a modern Linux distro just fine, they just don&#8217;t know it yet.
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weren&#039;t the Vista only games cracked to work on XP?  Thus proving that..uh.. there was no reason for them to be Vista only like we all knew anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weren&#8217;t the Vista only games cracked to work on XP?  Thus proving that..uh.. there was no reason for them to be Vista only like we all knew anyway?
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		<title>By: malkav11</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wine isn&#039;t an emulator, but DOSBox sure is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wine isn&#8217;t an emulator, but DOSBox sure is.
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		<title>By: mezz</title>
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		<dc:creator>mezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has to be said that wine is doing really well nowadays. Wine 1.0 is round the corner, and although games are not a major focus for that version, it does very well with many of them. 

Also of note for linux gamers, codeweavers has just released crossover games, which is basically the latest version of wine + installers for games so that they just work (so no looking around on the net to find out what you have to tweak). The steam install was amazing, just press &quot;install steam&quot; and click next a few times, and in 10 mins I was playing Team Fortress 2 in Linux. Although it isn&#039;t perfect yet (I had a few texture issues), it&#039;s great to see how close it&#039;s getting. I&#039;m still rebooting back to windows for proper TF2 sessions, but if I just want a quick game of Audiosurf, then it&#039;s a click away, no reboot into OS of pain required :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has to be said that wine is doing really well nowadays. Wine 1.0 is round the corner, and although games are not a major focus for that version, it does very well with many of them. </p>
<p>Also of note for linux gamers, codeweavers has just released crossover games, which is basically the latest version of wine + installers for games so that they just work (so no looking around on the net to find out what you have to tweak). The steam install was amazing, just press &#8220;install steam&#8221; and click next a few times, and in 10 mins I was playing Team Fortress 2 in Linux. Although it isn&#8217;t perfect yet (I had a few texture issues), it&#8217;s great to see how close it&#8217;s getting. I&#8217;m still rebooting back to windows for proper TF2 sessions, but if I just want a quick game of Audiosurf, then it&#8217;s a click away, no reboot into OS of pain required :)
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		<title>By: Down Rodeo</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@malkav11: Wine Is Not an Emulator! :p

@Max: It is eating. I&#039;m on a laptop; ideally I&#039;d like as little RAM/processing power etc used as possible... And what if Vista is trying to cache, well, whatever and then the next thing I load isn&#039;t it? And the thing I load is very intensive? It leads to bad performance, not made up from the potential gains.

As for the GIMP with its most recent release it&#039;s become a lot better. Personally I&#039;m very impressed. I feel that things have got a lot better recently; using Compiz Fusion (at much lower memory than Vista but looking much better) with Emerald can give me a Vista-like look. And possibly with more recent developments it will be an entirely Vista look (If you&#039;re into that sort of thing).

Another issue that has just occurred to me (possibly the most important one) is that of the ideas behind the software; obviously GNU/Linux is free, open-source software. Should I wish to change the window manager to better suit my twisted Vista needs I could (if I had the necessary skills); maybe I want to pare it down such that everything is optimized for high performance to get the best for my gaming needs. I don&#039;t change these things but that&#039;s not the point; maybe one day I&#039;ll be in a position where I can. GNU/Linux is customisable to a level which Windows will never be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@malkav11: Wine Is Not an Emulator! :p</p>
<p>@Max: It is eating. I&#8217;m on a laptop; ideally I&#8217;d like as little RAM/processing power etc used as possible&#8230; And what if Vista is trying to cache, well, whatever and then the next thing I load isn&#8217;t it? And the thing I load is very intensive? It leads to bad performance, not made up from the potential gains.</p>
<p>As for the GIMP with its most recent release it&#8217;s become a lot better. Personally I&#8217;m very impressed. I feel that things have got a lot better recently; using Compiz Fusion (at much lower memory than Vista but looking much better) with Emerald can give me a Vista-like look. And possibly with more recent developments it will be an entirely Vista look (If you&#8217;re into that sort of thing).</p>
<p>Another issue that has just occurred to me (possibly the most important one) is that of the ideas behind the software; obviously GNU/Linux is free, open-source software. Should I wish to change the window manager to better suit my twisted Vista needs I could (if I had the necessary skills); maybe I want to pare it down such that everything is optimized for high performance to get the best for my gaming needs. I don&#8217;t change these things but that&#8217;s not the point; maybe one day I&#8217;ll be in a position where I can. GNU/Linux is customisable to a level which Windows will never be.
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		<title>By: Vexor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dinger - I haven&#039;t had any issues with my LAN while playing audio files. In fact the GF (who also has Vista on her desktop) plays my music on her PC over the LAN from my PC. Vista shares that stuff really well. 

AbyssUK is right, vista has issues with partitions with other OS&#039;s. That may have gotten better with recent patches (SP1?). I don&#039;t dualboot so that kind of info floats past me.

I think Vista is a great OS. Yes it has a few issues (so did XP back in the day). There are a few cool perk things. Performance tab in the task manager is one that comes to mind. Check it out if you&#039;re running Vista. The problem is Vista has a tarnished rep partially from Intel saying &quot;Vista ready&quot;. nVidia also failed miserably with driver support early on (MUCH better now). My GeForce 8800 640mb GTS works great :)

I think slashdot had a article recently saying 30% of Vista crashes early on were from nVidia failing to deliver quality drivers. ATI had something like 9%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dinger &#8211; I haven&#8217;t had any issues with my LAN while playing audio files. In fact the GF (who also has Vista on her desktop) plays my music on her PC over the LAN from my PC. Vista shares that stuff really well. </p>
<p>AbyssUK is right, vista has issues with partitions with other OS&#8217;s. That may have gotten better with recent patches (SP1?). I don&#8217;t dualboot so that kind of info floats past me.</p>
<p>I think Vista is a great OS. Yes it has a few issues (so did XP back in the day). There are a few cool perk things. Performance tab in the task manager is one that comes to mind. Check it out if you&#8217;re running Vista. The problem is Vista has a tarnished rep partially from Intel saying &#8220;Vista ready&#8221;. nVidia also failed miserably with driver support early on (MUCH better now). My GeForce 8800 640mb GTS works great :)</p>
<p>I think slashdot had a article recently saying 30% of Vista crashes early on were from nVidia failing to deliver quality drivers. ATI had something like 9%.
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		<title>By: Dinger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, does Vista still screw up LAN throughput when playing audio files?
It&#039;s not just bloatware: allowing Intel to sell its 945 chipset as &quot;Vista-ready&quot; also screwed the OS&#039;s reputation.

Bloatware means that, if you buy a computer with an OS already installed, to make it work right, you&#039;ll need to wipe the HDD and reinstall the OS. At that point, you just made your OS more difficult to use than Linux. 

I use Linux in three places: in my router, in my NAS and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in my pants&lt;/a&gt;.

And I only have 2 gigs of memory, not 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, does Vista still screw up LAN throughput when playing audio files?<br />
It&#8217;s not just bloatware: allowing Intel to sell its 945 chipset as &#8220;Vista-ready&#8221; also screwed the OS&#8217;s reputation.</p>
<p>Bloatware means that, if you buy a computer with an OS already installed, to make it work right, you&#8217;ll need to wipe the HDD and reinstall the OS. At that point, you just made your OS more difficult to use than Linux. </p>
<p>I use Linux in three places: in my router, in my NAS and <a href="http://www.nseries.com/products/n800/#l=products,n800" rel="nofollow">in my pants</a>.</p>
<p>And I only have 2 gigs of memory, not 4.
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		<title>By: WinstonWolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that one of your own screenshots in the header?
If so, congrats on having Dungeon Keeper in there... but extra EXTRA points for having Anachronox as well :)</description>
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If so, congrats on having Dungeon Keeper in there&#8230; but extra EXTRA points for having Anachronox as well :)
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