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	<title>Comments on: User-Generated Discontent: Spore/Mass Effect DRM</title>
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		<title>By: John D</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-92374</link>
		<dc:creator>John D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EA fora have been heavily suppressed and censored. Dissent is deleted. Complaints are deleted. Threads and posts about editing or modding have been deleted. All without any word as to why or chance for appeal.

EA are a god awful company and treat their customers like garbage and rely on flashy spin and slick marketing to win over the dim-witted fanboys into another purchase and parroting their press releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EA fora have been heavily suppressed and censored. Dissent is deleted. Complaints are deleted. Threads and posts about editing or modding have been deleted. All without any word as to why or chance for appeal.</p>
<p>EA are a god awful company and treat their customers like garbage and rely on flashy spin and slick marketing to win over the dim-witted fanboys into another purchase and parroting their press releases.</p>
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		<title>By: sinister agent</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-82999</link>
		<dc:creator>sinister agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;- University/College students (you’re talking about a lot of people with a LOT of disposable income &lt;/i&gt;

... crikey.  That&#039;s news to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>- University/College students (you’re talking about a lot of people with a LOT of disposable income </i></p>
<p>&#8230; crikey.  That&#8217;s news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: TokeyMcBongRip</title>
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		<dc:creator>TokeyMcBongRip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Larington says:

“If all PC gamers are pirates, then how come the #1 game worldwide, World of Warcraft, is not pirated and has managed to sell umpteen millions of copies? There is more than enough evidence, given proper business models, that the majority of PC gamers will pay for a game they wish to play.”

Primarily because subscription based games have a much greater barrier against piracy, in the sense that as an online game it checks you have a legitimate copy everytime you log into the server and can match log-ins up against CD keys…”

is it just me or do none of you know that there are hundreds of private world of warcraft servers out there(if not thousands)the game is being pirated as much as any other game out there i originally downloaded an played world of warcraft on a server called xaos wow, then relized that if i payed per month, the game actually worked properly with little to no lag! some people pirate games just to try them out, and then buy them because the game is good and deserves the cash, some games just dont deserve any money because they are rushed(need for speed pro street) glad i rented that game lmfao!

im just getting tired of EA all together! and is it just me or did anyone else notice in the retail creature creator for spore in the manual it states that before installing spore you must uninstall the creature creator or the game wont install ( meaning EA successfully scammed 10 extra bucks off of everybody who went out and bought the creature creator  because they were not aware that this was not needed to play the game) the box is even misleading, im looking at it right now it clearly states  SPORE STARTER KIT, hmmm starter kit-building block needed to play the entire game....WRONG!!! and worse yet i even emailed EA asking if this was needed for spore because i wasnt going to buy it if it was included in the full game when its released(which it is!) and guess what i got, an email back going on about something else and never answering my question maybe later ill dig up the response i got, to show how useless their support staff is! im just ticked because i preordered the galactic edition because its going to be one of the biggest games of the year(it deserves it) but now instead of paying 80 bucks i just payed 90 bucks and got a ten dollar dvd and case that are utterly useless! im not worried bout the drm that will be fixed by some kid in korea or china who first cracks the drm and uploads it to the world(props to whoever that is) im just sick of EA trying to swindle us all out of every cent they can get their sticky little fingers on, microtransactions, charging for cheatcodes or other content that can easily be unlocked by playing through the game, and now only allowing a game to be installed only 3 times(if say it was 10 or 20 id say ok but 3 FUCK YOU EA!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Larington says:</p>
<p>“If all PC gamers are pirates, then how come the #1 game worldwide, World of Warcraft, is not pirated and has managed to sell umpteen millions of copies? There is more than enough evidence, given proper business models, that the majority of PC gamers will pay for a game they wish to play.”</p>
<p>Primarily because subscription based games have a much greater barrier against piracy, in the sense that as an online game it checks you have a legitimate copy everytime you log into the server and can match log-ins up against CD keys…”</p>
<p>is it just me or do none of you know that there are hundreds of private world of warcraft servers out there(if not thousands)the game is being pirated as much as any other game out there i originally downloaded an played world of warcraft on a server called xaos wow, then relized that if i payed per month, the game actually worked properly with little to no lag! some people pirate games just to try them out, and then buy them because the game is good and deserves the cash, some games just dont deserve any money because they are rushed(need for speed pro street) glad i rented that game lmfao!</p>
<p>im just getting tired of EA all together! and is it just me or did anyone else notice in the retail creature creator for spore in the manual it states that before installing spore you must uninstall the creature creator or the game wont install ( meaning EA successfully scammed 10 extra bucks off of everybody who went out and bought the creature creator  because they were not aware that this was not needed to play the game) the box is even misleading, im looking at it right now it clearly states  SPORE STARTER KIT, hmmm starter kit-building block needed to play the entire game&#8230;.WRONG!!! and worse yet i even emailed EA asking if this was needed for spore because i wasnt going to buy it if it was included in the full game when its released(which it is!) and guess what i got, an email back going on about something else and never answering my question maybe later ill dig up the response i got, to show how useless their support staff is! im just ticked because i preordered the galactic edition because its going to be one of the biggest games of the year(it deserves it) but now instead of paying 80 bucks i just payed 90 bucks and got a ten dollar dvd and case that are utterly useless! im not worried bout the drm that will be fixed by some kid in korea or china who first cracks the drm and uploads it to the world(props to whoever that is) im just sick of EA trying to swindle us all out of every cent they can get their sticky little fingers on, microtransactions, charging for cheatcodes or other content that can easily be unlocked by playing through the game, and now only allowing a game to be installed only 3 times(if say it was 10 or 20 id say ok but 3 FUCK YOU EA!)</p>
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		<title>By: Zaerus</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-76981</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaerus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to say it but i&#039;m definatly waiting for a crack 2. This whole SecuRom stuff is serious enough. YOU CAN ONLY INSTALL THIS GAME 3 TIMES. after that you can take your phone and beg ea for another install. How can ANYONE in the right mind agree on those terms? And seeing as SecuRom is apparently twitchy enough to take one such activation for even a DRIVER UPDATE. Sorry people, whoever buys this is just supporing this Pay-Per-Install that EA is propably going for. And calling EA, sending them your biography allong with whatever personal data they want from you in order for you to hopefully get one activation back. It&#039;s already happened to people with the Creature Creator for crying out loud and they&#039;re STILL waiting for a usefull reply from EA.

Even worse is that they don&#039;t tell people propperly before buying the game. I bought mass effect not knowing that i effectively RENTED 3 copies. for the same price that i could have bought a game that installed whenever i wanted to without a nanny pushing me around. Sorry but i&#039;d rather go for piracy who get a better end product. Piracy may be downright wrong and evil but the way EA is treating their customers defies description compaired to piracy..

If you bought a GPS system that wouldnt connect to it&#039;s satalites and wouldn&#039;t run anymore after 3 uses, finding out afterwards that the company put this in DELIBERATELY.. Seriously, if they showed you those terms before purchase u&#039;d tell the sales man to stick it where the sun don&#039;t shine. Why no one shows me a software agreement before i buy a game like this is beyond me at this point. Because it&#039;s nothing short of a scam. I&#039;m hoping someone will sue EA for this after buying spore and running into this. Because i&#039;m sure they&#039;re crossing legal boundries in quiete a few countries when it comes to consumer rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it but i&#8217;m definatly waiting for a crack 2. This whole SecuRom stuff is serious enough. YOU CAN ONLY INSTALL THIS GAME 3 TIMES. after that you can take your phone and beg ea for another install. How can ANYONE in the right mind agree on those terms? And seeing as SecuRom is apparently twitchy enough to take one such activation for even a DRIVER UPDATE. Sorry people, whoever buys this is just supporing this Pay-Per-Install that EA is propably going for. And calling EA, sending them your biography allong with whatever personal data they want from you in order for you to hopefully get one activation back. It&#8217;s already happened to people with the Creature Creator for crying out loud and they&#8217;re STILL waiting for a usefull reply from EA.</p>
<p>Even worse is that they don&#8217;t tell people propperly before buying the game. I bought mass effect not knowing that i effectively RENTED 3 copies. for the same price that i could have bought a game that installed whenever i wanted to without a nanny pushing me around. Sorry but i&#8217;d rather go for piracy who get a better end product. Piracy may be downright wrong and evil but the way EA is treating their customers defies description compaired to piracy..</p>
<p>If you bought a GPS system that wouldnt connect to it&#8217;s satalites and wouldn&#8217;t run anymore after 3 uses, finding out afterwards that the company put this in DELIBERATELY.. Seriously, if they showed you those terms before purchase u&#8217;d tell the sales man to stick it where the sun don&#8217;t shine. Why no one shows me a software agreement before i buy a game like this is beyond me at this point. Because it&#8217;s nothing short of a scam. I&#8217;m hoping someone will sue EA for this after buying spore and running into this. Because i&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re crossing legal boundries in quiete a few countries when it comes to consumer rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Seven8nine</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-76908</link>
		<dc:creator>Seven8nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Securom never ever stopped a game from beeing pirated. This approach is not working and they must know that by now. There must be another reason for still using securom. Maybe they are spying on you. Anyway Mass Effect was cracked and pirates have no trouble with the game. Spore Creature Creator was also cracked and I bet the whole Spore will not be any different story. DRM is just a big fail for the customers. If you have the choice to put your money on some crappy disc that will not install or tell you that you are not using the correct disc even when you are or have the choice to get a working game that you can enjoy for as long as you like, whenever you like, then what will you get? Games are meant to be fun, thats why we get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Securom never ever stopped a game from beeing pirated. This approach is not working and they must know that by now. There must be another reason for still using securom. Maybe they are spying on you. Anyway Mass Effect was cracked and pirates have no trouble with the game. Spore Creature Creator was also cracked and I bet the whole Spore will not be any different story. DRM is just a big fail for the customers. If you have the choice to put your money on some crappy disc that will not install or tell you that you are not using the correct disc even when you are or have the choice to get a working game that you can enjoy for as long as you like, whenever you like, then what will you get? Games are meant to be fun, thats why we get them.</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52722</link>
		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... this game is so good, i&#039;m going to buy it anyway. you do have to reward a company when they produce something of pure excellence. ill have to run it cracked though, i hope that doesnt turn out to be too much of a pain in the ass when i go to get downloadable content. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; this game is so good, i&#8217;m going to buy it anyway. you do have to reward a company when they produce something of pure excellence. ill have to run it cracked though, i hope that doesnt turn out to be too much of a pain in the ass when i go to get downloadable content. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52652</link>
		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 01:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmk, theres 1080p. my bad. *whew*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmk, theres 1080p. my bad. *whew*</p>
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		<title>By: Noc</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52613</link>
		<dc:creator>Noc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to decline comment, at this point.

I mean, after that cogent, carefully considered treatise, what more is there to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to decline comment, at this point.</p>
<p>I mean, after that cogent, carefully considered treatise, what more is there to say?</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52611</link>
		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps, the resolutions in this game are utter crap. 720p? wtf is this, an xbox? i play my games at 1080p. learn to program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps, the resolutions in this game are utter crap. 720p? wtf is this, an xbox? i play my games at 1080p. learn to program.</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52577</link>
		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Larington says:

“If all PC gamers are pirates, then how come the #1 game worldwide, World of Warcraft, is not pirated and has managed to sell umpteen millions of copies? There is more than enough evidence, given proper business models, that the majority of PC gamers will pay for a game they wish to play.”

Primarily because subscription based games have a much greater barrier against piracy, in the sense that as an online game it checks you have a legitimate copy everytime you log into the server and can match log-ins up against CD keys…&quot;
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WRONG. you can install WoW on any machine, anywhere. Its all about the login account. AND they do it WITHOUT DRM. Just think, if they were willing to use an online login system, you could pass on your account info when u are done with it. The copy you payed for could be played by your friends, when you are not playing, as it SHOULD BE. Think supernintendo, you buy a game, and lend it to your friend. Should that game require a thumbscan from you in order to work? hell no. your friend SHOULD be able to play your copy of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Larington says:</p>
<p>“If all PC gamers are pirates, then how come the #1 game worldwide, World of Warcraft, is not pirated and has managed to sell umpteen millions of copies? There is more than enough evidence, given proper business models, that the majority of PC gamers will pay for a game they wish to play.”</p>
<p>Primarily because subscription based games have a much greater barrier against piracy, in the sense that as an online game it checks you have a legitimate copy everytime you log into the server and can match log-ins up against CD keys…&#8221;<br />
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WRONG. you can install WoW on any machine, anywhere. Its all about the login account. AND they do it WITHOUT DRM. Just think, if they were willing to use an online login system, you could pass on your account info when u are done with it. The copy you payed for could be played by your friends, when you are not playing, as it SHOULD BE. Think supernintendo, you buy a game, and lend it to your friend. Should that game require a thumbscan from you in order to work? hell no. your friend SHOULD be able to play your copy of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
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		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dunno why you people act like pirating doesnt happen on consoles. after you mod your console, you pirate EVERYTHING. dont believe it? look at gta IV on the torrent sites, one hot download. doesnt work on pc. you do the math. console pirates never pay for anything. console pirates are 10x worse than PC pirates. pc pirates tend to buy the odd title. also, considering most consoles are/were sold at a loss, i think the damage being done by console pirates is far worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dunno why you people act like pirating doesnt happen on consoles. after you mod your console, you pirate EVERYTHING. dont believe it? look at gta IV on the torrent sites, one hot download. doesnt work on pc. you do the math. console pirates never pay for anything. console pirates are 10x worse than PC pirates. pc pirates tend to buy the odd title. also, considering most consoles are/were sold at a loss, i think the damage being done by console pirates is far worse.</p>
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		<title>By: neon neophyte</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/05/07/user-generated-discontent-sporemass-effect-drm/comment-page-5/#comment-52568</link>
		<dc:creator>neon neophyte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just another whiney post. however, i was going to purchase mass effect. i buy some games, i pirate some games. mass effect is now officially pirated. i do not support alienating people that purchase your game. never will. the power is with your average person, not the companies producing these games. do not alienate your clientel, you *will* lose money. you want my money? dont piss me off. simply, i dont have to give it to you. i can get your game for free everytime, what you need to do is build customer loyalty. i bought almost every title blizzard ever produced, because i liked the company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just another whiney post. however, i was going to purchase mass effect. i buy some games, i pirate some games. mass effect is now officially pirated. i do not support alienating people that purchase your game. never will. the power is with your average person, not the companies producing these games. do not alienate your clientel, you *will* lose money. you want my money? dont piss me off. simply, i dont have to give it to you. i can get your game for free everytime, what you need to do is build customer loyalty. i bought almost every title blizzard ever produced, because i liked the company.</p>
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