Comments on: Colonization II! http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 12:50:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: wholesale http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-233465 wholesale Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:48:16 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-233465 Looking for trusted <a href="http://www.amandaiec.com/yiwu_agent/" rel="nofollow">yiwu agent</a>? <a href="http://www.amandaiec.com/" rel="nofollow">Yiwu</a> Amanda is your ideal business partner in Yiwu China. Looking for trusted yiwu agent? Yiwu Amanda is your ideal business partner in Yiwu China.

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]]> By: Mathmin http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-83414 Mathmin Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:46:50 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-83414 The moment they release another Alpha Centauri -I'm going to buy whatever it takes to get that game. Civ. IV -or five or 1001, all it's expansions -the ones that exist, the ones that haven't been made and the ones that just exist only in the game developers imaginations- and the game developers grandmothers if it's required -just to get that game. But before that, colonization is a pretty damn good bargain -it's the first civ type of game I ever played and I was pretty young back then. Ah, the nostalgia. Anyway I have to say I agree with Sucram, the Civ IV in front of the colonization makes it sound like a mod in some way or a cheap adaptation. It would be hard for such a trifle to live up to my expectations, as they are of galactic magnitude. Sorry if my English is a bit off I'm not a mother tongue speaker. The moment they release another Alpha Centauri -I’m going to buy whatever it takes to get that game. Civ. IV -or five or 1001, all it’s expansions -the ones that exist, the ones that haven’t been made and the ones that just exist only in the game developers imaginations- and the game developers grandmothers if it’s required -just to get that game. But before that, colonization is a pretty damn good bargain -it’s the first civ type of game I ever played and I was pretty young back then. Ah, the nostalgia.

Anyway I have to say I agree with Sucram, the Civ IV in front of the colonization makes it sound like a mod in some way or a cheap adaptation. It would be hard for such a trifle to live up to my expectations, as they are of galactic magnitude. Sorry if my English is a bit off I’m not a mother tongue speaker.

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]]> By: Gap Gen http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56474 Gap Gen Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:44:46 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56474 Well, that was part of the remit of Alien Crossfire, but it wasn't done exactly like that - I agree that it would have been interesting, though. And yes, I do like the choose-your-own attitude to government and the consequences it entails. Must play Civ 4 some time and find out if it's any improvement on SMAC in that area. Well, that was part of the remit of Alien Crossfire, but it wasn’t done exactly like that – I agree that it would have been interesting, though. And yes, I do like the choose-your-own attitude to government and the consequences it entails. Must play Civ 4 some time and find out if it’s any improvement on SMAC in that area.

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]]> By: Heliocentricity http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56444 Heliocentricity Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:55:50 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56444 As for SMAC its all about Zakharov, but i loved all the factions. Getting behind the philosophy rather than the 'racism' inherent in Civ. Col is a different beast though, the 'racism' is at its core, you dont trust your homeland government by the end, and they dont trust you its very much like rome: total war. Col totally covered slavery, they keep it vauge though, defeat an enemy army and put them to work growing crops or mining? About SMAC and Col together, i walways felt SMAC should have had the potential for a "earth ship" to show up midgame, fresh with a new colony and tech the likes you could barely dream of, expecting everyone to instantly bow to it much like the anti independance armies of col. As for SMAC its all about Zakharov, but i loved all the factions. Getting behind the philosophy rather than the ‘racism’ inherent in Civ.

Col is a different beast though, the ‘racism’ is at its core, you dont trust your homeland government by the end, and they dont trust you its very much like rome: total war.

Col totally covered slavery, they keep it vauge though, defeat an enemy army and put them to work growing crops or mining?

About SMAC and Col together, i walways felt SMAC should have had the potential for a “earth ship” to show up midgame, fresh with a new colony and tech the likes you could barely dream of, expecting everyone to instantly bow to it much like the anti independance armies of col.

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]]> By: john http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56364 john Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:46:46 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56364 This is the very worse timing ever. I've just plunged back into Colonization, in the form of the (increasingly excellent) <a href="http://www.freecol.org/" rel="nofollow">FreeCol</a> mentioned. This is the very worse timing ever. I’ve just plunged back into Colonization, in the form of the (increasingly excellent) FreeCol mentioned.

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]]> By: malkav11 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56196 malkav11 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:08:23 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56196 I think there *is* (or was) someone trying to mod Colonization into Civ IV. But I expect Firaxis'll have a much easier time of it. I think there *is* (or was) someone trying to mod Colonization into Civ IV. But I expect Firaxis’ll have a much easier time of it.

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]]> By: Gap Gen http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56147 Gap Gen Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:18:56 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56147 Yeah, the joy of SMAC was always that the factions weren't characterised by the units they had (since every faction had the same units) but the way they behaved - Miriam had massive low-tech armies that were invincible in the early game but could be wiped out by a late-game tech opponent like Lal or Zakharov, while as you say, Yang just built massive sprawling hive empires and Morgan built tiny, super-rich nations. Yeah, the joy of SMAC was always that the factions weren’t characterised by the units they had (since every faction had the same units) but the way they behaved – Miriam had massive low-tech armies that were invincible in the early game but could be wiped out by a late-game tech opponent like Lal or Zakharov, while as you say, Yang just built massive sprawling hive empires and Morgan built tiny, super-rich nations.

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]]> By: Erlam http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56096 Erlam Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:36:08 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56096 As long as there aren't any American Spearmen or Club-Warriors or whatever, I'm there. As long as there aren’t any American Spearmen or Club-Warriors or whatever, I’m there.

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]]> By: Nimic http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56086 Nimic Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:13:33 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56086 This is great news... but.. I want Alpha Centauri 2! I did get the original Civilization, and I've played Colonization before, but I never really became that interested in Civilization before 3, and then even more so at 4. SMAC, though, I've been enjoying for a long time. It's... great! This is great news… but.. I want Alpha Centauri 2! I did get the original Civilization, and I’ve played Colonization before, but I never really became that interested in Civilization before 3, and then even more so at 4. SMAC, though, I’ve been enjoying for a long time. It’s… great!

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]]> By: Him http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56055 Him Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:09:07 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56055 In response to Gap Gen, I seem to remember there being penal colonists as well, one step below indentured servants. That being said, yeah, I figured 'indentured servant' was a polite way of saying slave. As for bringing back SMAC, there would need to be some interesting work done on the AI in Civ to reflect just how 'individual' the alternate factions in SMAC approached the game. Remember the giant cities of Yang's Human Hive? The focus on research from Pravin Lal, who despite being an egg-head rarely crumbled when you threatened him? In response to Gap Gen, I seem to remember there being penal colonists as well, one step below indentured servants. That being said, yeah, I figured ‘indentured servant’ was a polite way of saying slave.
As for bringing back SMAC, there would need to be some interesting work done on the AI in Civ to reflect just how ‘individual’ the alternate factions in SMAC approached the game. Remember the giant cities of Yang’s Human Hive? The focus on research from Pravin Lal, who despite being an egg-head rarely crumbled when you threatened him?

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]]> By: KindredPhantom http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56040 KindredPhantom Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:01:52 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56040 Awesome Flakes! Awesome Flakes!

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]]> By: Gap Gen http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/06/09/colonization-ii/#comment-56021 Gap Gen Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:45:41 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1887#comment-56021 <cite>Did slavery really seem like such an omission to that many people? I’m just curious - I’d never even considered it until reading some comments on here the last time the game came up.</cite> Well, you can exploit foreigners through the medium of religious conversion in Colonization, I guess. Or maybe the phrase 'indentured servant' was a euphemism. Did slavery really seem like such an omission to that many people? I’m just curious – I’d never even considered it until reading some comments on here the last time the game came up.

Well, you can exploit foreigners through the medium of religious conversion in Colonization, I guess. Or maybe the phrase ‘indentured servant’ was a euphemism.

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