Comments on: TF2 classes’ D&D Alignments Debated. No, really.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:09:12 +0000

Looking at the same chart and their pictures, the heavy is Lawful good, the medic is chaotic good, the scout is lawful neutral, the engineer is lawful evil, the sniper is neutral evil, the demoman is neutral good, the soldier is way too ugly, the spy is neutral evil too, and the pyro is the pyro, I can’t see what he looks like under that mask.

By: spacedoubt

spacedoubt — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:55:33 +0000

Just a couple of things….
I think there is certainly a case for the Spy as Chaotic Neutral as he literally switches sides every 10 seconds.

…and the Medic is so totally an evil character – I’d go as far as chaotic evil. He openly experiments on the members of his team in field conditions, and takes a bonesaw to the enemy given the chance! Take another look at the Medic in the TF2 group shot and then try to tell me thats the face of a neutral character =P

By: mujadaddy

mujadaddy — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:43:17 +0000

COMe, now, pushlittlekart… Comeliness isn’t exactly a primary trait in military sausage-fests, speculation of a bottom-heavy pyro notwithstanding… :P

By: pushlittlekart

pushlittlekart — Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:15:50 +0000

Thanks for the correction about the scout being from Boston.

mujadaddy, you forgot COM. Can a pyro have a comeliness value, given the gas mask?

By: Iain

Iain — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:01:23 +0000

@Erlam: “Out of curiousity, why does everyone think the Scout is ‘evil’ for being a dick?”

It’s not just because he’s a dick. That’s the icing on the cake. I went for Chaotic Evil based mainly on the Meet The Scout video. Let’s look at the evidence; he’s a raving egomaniac and enjoys violence for its own sake – that is, rather than killing him by surprise, which he easily could have done, he chooses to actively torment the Heavy before killing him. All for the sake of a sandwich. The sheer pettiness is bad enough, but choosing to actively prolong the Heavy’s suffering just because he *can*… that’s evil.

The fact that he even engages in hand-to-hand combat in the first place is a good sign of chaotic behaviour, since he’s much more vulnerable at close quarters compared to when he can use his speed and mobility to (literally) stay out of arms reach. Overconfidence is a common trait in chaotic evil characters, and is occasionally their undoing. (though not in the case of the video, obviously)

@Pushlittlekart: Note that the Scout is from Boston, not Brooklyn.

By: Whiteout

Whiteout — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:19:15 +0000

I’ll make the argument that although I agree the Scout is Neutral Good, the players who are playing him, are Chaotic Evil. That’s a definite penalty towards your Charisma guys. Sorry.

By: Pushlittlekart

Pushlittlekart — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:45:10 +0000

Spot on, but the scout is chaotic neutral. He’s a guido from Brooklyn, for God’s sake! He’s gonna do whatever he feels like, you got a problem with that, punk?

Question, why are they ordered that way instead of LG,LN,LE, NG,TN,NE, CG,CN,CE?

By: Jaxtrasi

Jaxtrasi — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:10:52 +0000

The only link between Chaotic and deceit is stylistic. Lawful = honest (i.e. devils cannot lie) is only an interpretation and aspect of it. Lawfulness is about as much about consistency, and Chaotic about inconsistency, as it is about truth or lack of it.

Ergo the Spy isn’t restrained to Chaos based on his deceit. He could be argued as far as Lawful. A chaotic, undisciplined mind could never achieve the level of understanding necessary to perfectly mimic the actions of enemy players, and never maintain the patience to wait for the right moment to strike.

By: Zhal

Zhal — Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:01:12 +0000

Even though I like to put Medic (in general) in Neutral Good slot, I think (TF2) Medic probably should be in True Neutral Slot since he’s giving all that “love” to everyone, no matter how evil, good, chaotic or lawful his friends are.

By: Clicky

Clicky — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:29:16 +0000

@Kieron, I assumed that we were talking about the D&D version of Satan.

By: Erlam

Erlam — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:24:32 +0000

“Erlam:

Paladins pre-4th Edition were Lawful Good, and they killed people by the dozens. Sometimes they’re racist/specist, in that they don’t consider the slaughtered people “people.” And they were the bastions of “Law and Goodness.” Then again, all D&D PCs were mass murderers like that. It’s fun that way.”

I always thought they were/should have been Chaotic Good. or Lawful Evil. Whichever, heh.

Out of curiousity, why does everyone think the Scout is ‘evil’ for being a dick? I’m pretty sure evil requires more, and it isn’t like the game doesn’t have enough violence to find something else to use ;)

By: Deuteronomy

Deuteronomy — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:10:05 +0000

Just change the name of the site to Rock, Paper, TF2 and be done with it.