Fallout 3 Falls In

By Alec Meer on August 20th, 2008 at 11:00 pm.

I honestly can’t remember if we already knew a release date for Fallout 3. I had September in my head, but I think I might have been making presumptions. We definitely know now, anyway: it’s October 28th in America, and October 31st in Europe YOU BASTARDS. If an entire continent’s worth of people manages to pirate the game during those three days, it’s your own damn-fool fault, Bethesda.

Which in either case means that I strongly recommend we all stay off the internet for the first week of November. The Angries will be out in force and spraying Angry-Venom everywhere, I’ve no doubt. Oh, and if you’ve not been by the official Fallout 3 site lately, you won’t know there’s a multi-part Penny Arcade comic there and a whole slew of new interviews with the dev team. And now you do. HTH.

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  1. VIP0R says:

    Now we know what week to book off from work! =]

  2. Cooper says:

    I’m very tempted to set up pool on the hours between a cracked version of the game on torrents and the European release. I reckon the crack will be out a good 38 hours before any legal distribution begins.

  3. Alex says:

    I think finally getting to see the Angries rant in full force is something to look forward to!

  4. shinygerbil says:

    Watch all the European Angries start spewing before the 31st. ;)

  5. Diogo Ribeiro says:

    YOU BASTARDS

    Really? I don’t envy the grunts who will take it upon themselves to get it first and make it their mission to tell everyone how “Fallout 3 is the unholiest of post-apocalyptic tranvestites”, to quote a certain mindset.

    In any case, coming almost a week before my anniversary means I will have some time to go from emo to optimist, then ending on a “it could be worse” note.

  6. MetalCircus says:

    GRR FALLOUT 3 DOESNT HAVE [insert random out dated feature here] etc etc

  7. Brother None says:

    Wow.

    You guys sure get upset about people getting upset, huh?

    Hey mr Meer, would you say it’s also an option to avoid the internet for a while to avoid having to read all the slopjobs the gaming journalists are looking forward to producing? Just. Saying. It’s not worth anyone’s breath to waste time bothering about other people’s opinions. I certainly won’t be grinding my teeth at people who like Fallout 3, I really don’t see what anyone has to gain by stating the opposite.

    Not that I’m getting involved much anyway. Not planning on getting this game.

  8. Caiman says:

    Ha, I’ll be out working on a project until 10 October so fortunately I’ll miss all the Internet gushing and spewing. The Internet is not to be trusted at the best of times, but trying to figure out whether Fallout 3 is any good or not in that first week will be an utterly pointless exercise.

  9. Colthor says:

    If reviews disagree with our preconceived notions then they are wrong! And the reviewers are poopie heads! So there!

  10. Zell says:

    Smart people getting upset about irritating people getting upset in irritating ways is actually extremely important for my perspective on the world. Please do not listen to Brother None and continue as you were.

  11. Brother None says:

    If reviews disagree with our preconceived notions then they are wrong!

    Heh.

    Because the problem with reviews is all about the reviewer’s opinion, and not about the problems in objectivity and quality at all (scroll down for a list of links, my own article isn’t that interesting)

    Smart people getting upset about irritating people getting upset in irritating ways is actually extremely important for my perspective on the world. Please do not listen to Brother None and continue as you were.

    I agree on the premise that listening to me is a bad idea.

    As for “smart people”, I regard the RPS readers very highly and admire the way this place his structured a more critical, thoughtful community than most of the internet offers, but I find the easy dismissing of criticism of Fallout 3 to be a bit…on the simple side, perhaps.

    To each their own, of course, I certainly wish everyone that buys Fallout 3 will enjoy it much. But y’know, a wish to enjoy Fallout 3 should not be equated with a blind wish to dismiss its criticasters as irrational idiots.

    Even if a number of them are.

  12. Willem says:

    OoooOOOoo at the Brotherhood of Steel description. OoooooOooo

  13. CrashT says:

    It’s not the criticism of Fallout 3 that’s “amusing” to comment on it’s the sheer vitriol of some of it considering the game isn’t even here yet.

    I mean if they don’t think they’ll like it why don’t they just ignore it? They must realise by now that their opinions are not going to change what Bethesda does (I’m not for a moment saying Bethesda are being particularly sensible in this regard), so why continue to rant?

    Or do they just like being the “misunderstood minority”?

  14. Real Horrorshow says:

    GRR FALLOUT 3 DOESNT HAVE [insert random out dated feature here] etc etc

    LOL

  15. Brother None says:

    I mean if they don’t think they’ll like why don’t they just ignore it. They must realise by now that their opinions are going to change what Bethesda does (I’m not for a moment saying Bethesda are being particularly sensible in this regard), so why continue to rant?

    A sensible question.

    I guess it’s hard to let go. I’ve been around NMA for…what…8 years now? At that point it becomes hard to pack it in and leave just because a bunch of guys throw a lot of money at the franchise. Though it certainly encourages one to spend less time as a fan of said of franchise, but that’s only a good thing really.

    Heck…I guess you could say we’re gathering steam of modding it?

    Also, one should note that a tendency to nitpick aside, places like NMA tend to criticise things that are known that we disagree with. There hasn’t been any criticism of dialogue or quests because we haven’t seen much of that. Hence the “it’s not here yet” is kind of besides the point.

  16. Real Horrorshow says:

    I have faith that Fallout 3 will be excellent, but still to this day the one thing that piss me off is THE TOTAL LACK OF REAL TIME LIGHTING. This is NOT 2002, Bethesda. Jesus Christ. I mean honestly, Far Cry 2 can do it on a console, why can’t you? Of ALL the graphical effects they could have excluded, real-time lighting is by far the most important to the overall look on the game.

    I mean it’s really mind boggling. Of course just like Oblivion I expect it wont even be a feature to enable in the PC version even though the only reason its missing is because of the weak consoles.

    RAWR.

    S.T.A.L.K.E.R.’s lighting has ruined me forever.

  17. CrashT says:

    @Brother None:
    I could never get into Morrowind and pretty much thought Oblivion was comically broken in so many ways. I look at Fallout 3 and think I’ll might enjoy it, but I’m not holding much hope.

    I consider Invisible War and I can appreciate how you feel, I can rant and rage but in the end where does that get me? Deus Ex still exists and I can enjoy playing it again, I’ll do that an pretend it was one of a kind…

    Though I do get amused at people who hold any hope for Deus Ex 3 at this point, I mean “fool me once…”

  18. Brother None says:

    I consider Invisible War and I can appreciate how you feel, I can rant and rage but in the end where does that get me? Deus Ex still exists and I can enjoy playing it again, I’ll do that an pretend it was one of a kind…

    Well, imagine Invisible War being made, you knowing about it, and having every reason to expect it will essentially change the franchise so much it will no longer be the same genre* (RPG and FPSRPG are as different as Fallout and Fallout: Tactics are)…it’s the disappointment of knowing that you were close to getting a sequel in the same vein just a few years back (Van Buren), then getting the door slammed in your face and being told “now we’re going to do something different with it”.

    And like that, you know you’ll never see a Fallout sequel that sticks to the original design philosophy of Fallout 1.

    ‘s pretty disappointing.

    Yeah, “just let go” is really the best advice to offer. But y’know how humans are. Good advice is like so many pearls before swine.

    * theoretically. I mean, that’s not what IW did, it was just kinda bad. And who knows if Fallout 3 will do that? Oblivion was pretty good, but with major flaws. I bet the critics will once again fail to point those out until 2 years later

  19. CrashT says:

    I pratically lived on the Ion Storm forums prior to Invisible War, I still have the scars.

  20. Charlie says:

    Fallout 3 came out ages ago, it was called STALKER. But seriously, this will be because it takes time to print the discs and the USA is worth more to them in sales than Europe. It definetely pisses me off but it’s only a few days.

  21. Noc says:

    I think the issue they’re taking, Brother None, isn’t with people not liking Fallout 3.

    It’s with the multiple hundred-plus post comment threads they’ve had attached to articles here filled almost exclusively with angry ranting from both sides. It’s the same reaction that hits whenever piracy or Bioschock gets mentioned. In fact, within 20 posts of a “Here’s a release date” post, we already have an argument over Fallout 3′s merits.

    It’s predictable in a Pavlovian way, only instead of drooling the response involves lots of capital letters and punctuation.

  22. bob says:

    Anyone else besides me hope that you can turn off the gore and blood or at least turn it down?
    i don’t get it with games lately going off into the gore porn range
    I really like fps and rpg etc, but srsly whats with all the gore?

  23. Weylund says:

    It’s Fallout. Gore is like tasty comedic icing on the possibly dry (in the case of Fallout 3) but still chocolatey cake.

  24. bob says:

    @Weylund
    I guess, but I would a like a knife to scrap that icing off my cake.

  25. Brother None says:

    It’s with the multiple hundred-plus post comment threads they’ve had attached to articles here filled almost exclusively with angry ranting from both sides. It’s the same reaction that hits whenever piracy or Bioschock gets mentioned. In fact, within 20 posts of a “Here’s a release date” post, we already have an argument over Fallout 3’s merits.

    That is annoying, but it doesn’t make any sense to blame “them” for that. It takes two to tango, and I doubt “they” are solely responsible for making long, annoying threads. To say “they’ve had” threads attached to things makes no sense, to be honest, unless they somehow flew in and attached threads to newsposts.

    You also make it sound like it’s a bad thing to discuss the merits of Fallout 3. If you don’t wish to discuss it, don’t, but I’d be hardpressed to call discussing it bad overall. Only if people aren’t listening to one another.

    We discourage cross-site trolling on NMA but as long as people don’t break the rules I don’t really see the problem. My impression? This is one of the better place to hold such discussions anyway, without being the pit of trolling BGSF is and without having the tendency of heavy peer pressure pushing all opinions in one direction (NeoGAF, SA, QTT and – of course – NMA). I can understand why people’d want to discuss it here, even if it turns into the kind of cloak-and-dagger flamefest that it does elsewhere.

  26. sluzzuls says:

    october is way way way waaaay too far away. as for the blood… what..!? you didnt choose the bloody mess trait??
    come on mahn!

  27. McCool says:

    Fallout 3 seperates the optimists from the pessimists. Thats all it does.

  28. Weylund says:

    @sluzzuls:
    Well, to be honest I headed towards other traits ’cause I like to work for my bloody killings.

    @bob:
    Really? Most games have some level of gore in them. Even older games had some amount of bleeding involved. Hell, Wings of Fury included wild ragdolled island defenders falling under strafing runs back in the 80′s, Prince of Persia (the original) had pools of blood as you fell into the spikes… where do you draw the line?

  29. Noc says:

    For clarification: the “They” is RPS, and the relevance of their involvement is that this happened on their site, so, consequentially, they have something of a right to comment on the load of vitriol they’ve experienced on their doorstep.

    I’m not sure what exactly you’re saying, beyond that. Do you think I’m blaming RPS for the backlash against Fallout 3 they’ve been privy to? I’m not entirely sure where you’re coming from, because you seem to be referencing points of mine that I didn’t make. This seems to be miscommunicating.

    So to clarify: On RPS’s site, independent from any instigation on their part, they have observed flame-wars ignite over the topic of Fallout 3. I believe that they have reasonable reason to treat this trend with bemusement, and comment upon it.

    . . .

    And its what the discussion tends to turn into that I object to. Discussing its merits isn’t a bad thing, but this is exactly the same discussion that we’ve had each of these other times, and there’s no reason to suspect that it won’t got exactly the same way. Also, it’s not the content of the article; I’m not objecting to off-topic commenting, but I think that it’s important to look at how these flaming threads start.

    For instance, this is an article about the release date of Fallout 3. It contains 1) a reference to multiple release dates, 2) a nod to the vitriol that’s erupted around Fallout 3, and 3) a mention of a Penny Arcade promotional mini-comic.

    The way these topic-particular flame wars start is that people see a word in the topic (“Fallout 3,” “Piracy” or “Bioshock” are the big ones) and say, “Hey, I have an opinion about that.” So an article on something completely different where a game developer namechecks Bioshock gets a comment thread that, instead of being about the content of the article or the developer in question, becomes about whether Bioshock was an interesting example of narrative in games or whether its a complete piece of shit. I don’t remember the last time that happened, but it was fairly recently; there are just a lot of articles on RPS, and I can’t be bothered to sift through them right now.

    In conclusion, I don’t mind talking about Fallout 3. However, I am really, really sick of “The Fallout 3 Argument.” We both know what it is, because we’ve had it before. And my prior comment was meant to express my dismay that The Fallout Three Argument had reared its ugly head as quickly as it did.

  30. Noc says:

    Also, something I noticed a while ago: up until TF2, I’d been noticing a tremendous decrease in the amount of gibbing that happened. Death and pain, in recent games, seems to have been confined to red splatter decals pasted over the character model or on walls. Not gore, so much.

  31. Bhlaab says:

    Hands up everyone who’s already decided this is the worst game ever

  32. Alex says:

    Actually, I think it’s kind of healthy there’s a contingent of people who are being (perhaps) hypercritical of any AAA-title game.

    I’ve made this point before, but the internet should be about give and take – Bethesda uses internet hype to their benefit, it’s only healthy there’s some kind of backlash.

    It’s all easy ignorable in the end, both the hype and anti-hype, what with it being internet-y ‘n all.

    So in that sense I do find the term “Angries” a bit snobbish, but then again.. mr. Meer is just being internet-y in this regard, so also easy to ignore. ;)

  33. perilisk says:

    Gibbing probably went away for awhile because people wanted ragdolls, but anyway.

    I’m not sold on Fallout 3′s gibtastic death; The 2d Fallout’s deaths were pre-recorded, and were fairly funny, in an awful way (a little like the intro to Diablo 2 expansion). I think that Bethesda is hoping that over-the-top gore will be enough to go from horror to humor, but I trust an artist over a RNG.

    Anyway, despite enjoying Fallout more than TES (though I like both series for very different reasons), I never really bothered to followed Fallout 3′s development. I’ll wait for the hype to die down, then wait for the backlash to die down, and probably decide whether to buy on the basis of counter-backlash reviews and whether I really have time to play it.

    EDIT: And now I had the misfortune of reading the “comics”. Apparently combining Bethesda’s wacky sense of “humor” with the scintillating comic genius of the Penny Arcade guys results in something that can only be described as “slightly less funny than Garfield.”

  34. Alec Meer says:

    I’ve no problem with people not liking the game – in fact I’m extremely worried I’m not going to like it myself, going on what’s been shown so far – but what I am dreading is all the “FUCK YOU BETHESDA” and “FUCK YOU PEOPLE WHO CRITICISE FALLOUT 3″ comments. You tend to see the more rational tip of the iceberg in RPS threads because we delete the really hysterical comments, from both sides of the argument.

  35. Half Broken Glass says:

    f an entire continent’s worth of people manages to pirate the game during those three days, it’s your own damn-fool fault, Bethesda.

    Actually it will be on torrents even before the USA release. It always is.

  36. The Sombrero Kid says:

    I will steal this game on the 28th and pay for it on the 31st, the world has no boundaries any more thanks to the INTERNET

  37. Ian says:

    We all know Europe often gets the release date shaft because we’re all just so much sexier than they are.

  38. Brother None says:

    but what I am dreading is all the “FUCK YOU BETHESDA” and “FUCK YOU PEOPLE WHO CRITICISE FALLOUT 3″ comments. You tend to see the more rational tip of the iceberg in RPS threads because we delete the really hysterical comments, from both sides of the argument.

    Yeah, no kidding there, I have to mod for that on NMA as well, and NMA is relatively unitary in opinion and thus not apt to show a lot of strife, just a lot of teeth-grinding.

    What can we say, eh, it’s the internet.

    Noc: I see your point when it’s in reference to BioShock or Fallout 3 being name-dropped on the thread going way off-topic and a flamewar, that obviously sucks.

    That said, I don’t think that applies here. At best, this thread could have evolved into “I’m so looking forward to this”, ” 1″, “me 2″, etc etc. And quite frankly, the internet has enough of those.

    We all know Europe often gets the release date shaft because we’re all just so much sexier than they are.

    Delayed releases as a result of penis envy?

    I like this theory.

  39. Mr. President says:

    *follows the link*


    Yep, Penny Arcade is still terrible.

  40. wcaypahwat says:

    yeah, well…. I live in Australia. So i dont know if i can even get it.

    Although I was told it was entered into EB’s system last week sometime, re-rated, with a release date, and they they have the collectors edition exclusively…. Unfortunatly, I havent seen any news confirming that as of yet.

    Guess i can only wait and hope (or get my pre-order deposit back)

  41. Dustructoid says:

    Hell, Fallout 2 WASN’T released in Europe TWO DAYS after the US. Bethesda you have destroyed this game just like we all knew you would.

  42. Brother None says:

    Although I was told it was entered into EB’s system last week sometime, re-rated, with a release date, and they they have the collectors edition exclusively…. Unfortunatly, I havent seen any news confirming that as of yet.

    I can confirm that for you. It has been rated. You can see the ratings report here.

    Most speculations are that they only removed/modified some of the most offensive drug items (crack pipe-looking item, morphine), so you don’t even have to worry about heavy censorship.

  43. Stick says:

    Can someone explain to me why the different release dates for different locations persists? It’s a bit more understandable with regards to television and movies – ye olde studio dinosaurs and whatnot – but you’d think the net-savvy game industry people would realize they’re only shooting themselves in the foot. Feet. You know.

  44. The Sombrero Kid says:

    @Brother None

    they didn’t remove the items just change the names from real world referances to drugs to fakey drugs

  45. Brother None says:

    There has been confirmation of that, Sombrero Kid? The rating report doesn’t specify, other than that it looks like offensive drugs were removed/modified, and I haven’t seen any confirmed list of changes anywhere.

  46. The Sombrero Kid says:

    emm actually i checked back and it doesn’t say that just that it’s likely
    http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/896/896091p1.html

  47. Nick says:

    I am fairly sure most of the derogatory comments about NMA are from people who haven’t even read any of the complaints put forward, just like to throw in a cheap dig for an easy “lulz”. I don’t post there, but it was a great source of info on the previous games and the Fallout 2 restoration mod is superb stuff.

    I am looking forward to F3, if only to see how it turned out really.. I dislike a lot of the choices they made but not enough to put me off buying it on the off-chance I’ll enjoy myself. Even a drop of water is better than nothing in an RPG desert.

  48. Weylund says:

    Every year the PA guys raise millions of dollars for childrens’ hospitals across the country through Child’s Play. While I don’t *always* find their comics funny, most are at least insightful or creative, Tycho’s articles are usually informative or fun to read, and every tenth comic or so has me in stitches.

    Plenty of reasons there to look beyond whether PA is funny all the time.

    I fear for F3, and I suspect that a lot of folks who are bashing it might feel the same way. Bethesda makes less-than-fun, conservative, and uncreative action RPGs. Since Fallout 1 and 2 were none of the above, I think it’s a poor marriage of talent and material.

    I’ll still buy the damn thing, assuming it’s offered via a download service. Less wife-ish questions that way, much easier to slip a newly loaded external drive into the house than a box with manual.

  49. sinister agent says:

    It looks a little less grey than I’d feared. Still a little drab for my tastes, but not to a ghastly extent like some other games.

    Still not convinced about the Bloody Mess thing, but then I never chose it anyway, so meh. It’ll probably be fun to play with a super-gibbing lunatic for twenty minutes now and then after hours of playing ‘properly’, I suppose.

    It’s come around quickly, hasn’t it?

  50. dhex says:

    Can someone explain to me why the different release dates for different locations persists?

    i’m guessing logistics plays a huge part. a simultaneous product rollout in a small geographic location is a difficult process; doing it internationally, with dozens of different rules and agencies and the like to deal with is probably not worth the money it would take to make it happen.

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