Well this is Blizzards last installment. Its easy to tell.
When we first saw wow it was pretty colors and such(spring) then some patches came out and it was pretty solid looking with greens, blues, SOLID colors. Then we got BC which main color scheme was faded, brown, yellowish. Now we’ve got the lich king which is blue, snowy. The end of the year.
Yes it’s pretty and amusing. But consider what was in the Burning Crusade trailer and what was actually delivered when paid for — Black Temple? Not really. Mount Hyjal? Hah, no. The grand irony of the pretty and amusing while completely gameplay-free trailer is how wildly unlikely it is for Arthas to actually in “Wrath of the Lich King” when it ships.
‘But consider what was in the Burning Crusade trailer and what was actually delivered when paid for — Black Temple? Not really. Mount Hyjal? Hah, no.’
And this was _fine_ because there was so much content to plow through before we could even have a hope of attempting those instances. Why ship with those dungeons when the attunement-required dungeons aren’t even complete?
Just a quick comment on the lore, although indeed you would take out ‘bosses’ in WC III and FT, you notably couldn’t repeat the feat the next day with that bosses own armaments.
Just got thinking… it seems like whenever a post concerning wow or just about any MMO comes out, everyone always have a strong opinions about wow. Or perhaps that’s just those who don’t decides not to comment to not get in the line of fire?
I really wonder how they’ll continue the Warcraft franchise after this (a sequel feels like a safe guess, really)… will it just be “wow wasn’t canon” or “let’s build it all from scratch” or something?
There’s still Azshara, Deathwing and the Old Gods to take out. There’s still room for a few more expansion packs, really, although possibly not with the impact of villains as Wrath has. :)
Blizzards CGI’s have always been very well constructed with amazing production values. WC3 both normal and expansion was brilliant (in fact not sure I ever finished the last level of expansion….. it was hard and I was playing at lunchtimes at work. :) ) but it continued the samey storyline as described by Yutt. Never gone near WoW due to knowing of its addictive nature and my “if I’m going to play a game, its goin to be done well” attitude meeting in the loss of sleep/friends etc. I got involved with travian once and thank the lord for the fact it ends after a year. Anyway to unearth what point I had beside passing on my thoughts – these little CGI snippets for a game I wont play do bring a warm glow and remind me of the great fun I had playing the originals.
dear god, are we still harping on about ‘mmo’s suck ‘and wow players have no life’? some people, some 10million plus people like WoW (myself included) and they’re entitled to like the game and genre of their choice. can’t we all just get over this ‘my game’s better/more valid/less of a grind’ mentality and accept the mmo genre (and with it WoW as the current commerical pinnacle of the genre) as part of the larger tapestry of videogame culture, or are we all really that friggin’ immature? fps games do it for some, driving games for some, mmo’s for others. why is one game genre ‘wasted time’ and another not? all games are ‘wastes of time’ and that’s why they’re great. get over yourselves. live and let live. and if you can’t say anything constructive piss off to gamespot where you might find a home… and to go back on topic, i thought the trailer was superb. i only wish that was the team making the likely-to-be-disappointing WoW film… in comparison the WAR trailer was a video game advert where as LK’s is cinema 8)
Nice trailer, reminds me of the fun I had with WC3 and the expansion. I quite liked the warcraft lore back in the day, but didn’t feel like doing fetchquests for it, so never got into WoW. Well there’s always Starcraft and Diablo.
Jason, you think BC was brown and faded? Hmm… we must have been playing different BC then. Or our computers/monitors vary drastically. The only faded area I can think of is the Bone Wastes.
Po, you think so? You may be right, for all I know, but I just don’t get it. Why do people buy gold? Right now it is so simple to be filthy rich, it’s disgusting. I have more gold than I know what to do with, and I am actually pretty bad about acquiring wealth. A co-worker of mine makes 700 gold every Darkmoon Fair just buying from vendors and selling on AH. And there are also quests, dailies, drops, etc, etc, etc. Weird.
i honestly feel that that trailer is more fun and epic feeling than the entire game itself. Sure one can have some fun while playing wow but jeez most of the time the experience feels about as far removed from the truly awesome storyline shown in the videos as (for want of a better reference) red dwarf is from an american sitcom. imo the warcraft ip would have been infinitly better as a movie or something else that isnt an mmo.
and yes i played WoW for 10months and i felt dead inside.
If I remember correctly (everything about my time in WOW gets muddled and pretty much converges into a big blob…) there was both a trailer for the announcement of Burning Crusade and an actual cinematic intro, that replaced the original intro.
While I liked the trailer back then.. I liked the cinematic intros even more! It showed actual characters. That was a nice touch, to see the characters come to life somehow, for lack of a better expression…
This trailer leaves me a slightly bit disappointed. It didn’t wet my appetite. I can still resist the urge to reactivate my account. Maybe when the new cinematic intro comes around. If that offers something palpable, I might be tempted.
Alright, Wey! Lucky you caught me in time – I’m off on holiday in about an hour. :)
Sending the Scroll now!
DOH! Are you on the American servers? If so, not sure if there’s a way to send you an invite back. I’m on the EU variety, you see. Can’t see Dark Iron on the list. *curses*
Though what was more painful was what’s happened to Malygos and Alexstrasa. I always loved the Dragon aspects in Warcraft lore, but here’s what’s currently happening in Wrath:
1. Some Nether Drakes meet Malygos.
2. Ping, Malygos is sane again. Hooray!
3. Everyone sits on their hands for a while wondering a bunch of Nether Drakes actually made him sane again.
4. Malygos observes the World and finds it wanting, and devises a plan.
5. Malygos: ok gaiz, here is plan. magic bad. like fire. it let people summon demonz. demonz bad. so killz all the magic userz. kk?
6. Alexstrasa: I don’t think that’s a good idea.
7. Dalaran: We’re so very, very screwed. What fun!
8. Malygos puts his plans into action, Mages die.
9. Everyone ponders the “returned sanity” of Malygos.
10. Alexstrasa joins with the Dalaran Mages.
11. Alexstrasa: it bad that u die. i am dragon of life. i fire hope into the darkness. so… i think we needz to torture peoplez, and i’ll look the other way when u do bad things to malygoz, kk?
12. Dalaran: Uh… right. Super! That means we live, that’s smashing, that is! Oh boy, we do love living!
13. The new Dalaran/Red Flight alliance is born!
14. Alexstrasa looks the other way…
15. The ethically cleansed (because Dragons said it was okay) Dalarans proceed to cause death, too.
16. They destroy a bunch of Malygos’ eggs.
17. They torture those in league with Malygos.
18. At the behest of one of the Red Flight (the LIFE Dragons), the Dalarans kill Malygos’ primary consort (read as: mate).
19. Red Dragon: it was ok cuz we only killed her to draw mad-on madygoz outta hidin, we will bring her bak to life eventually… mebbe… we not sure yet…
20. Malygos is very pissed, understandably.
21. Malygos also realises that his primary lay has been killed.
22. So then–of all the bloody things he could do–he decides to brainwash the aforementioned member of the Red Flight, utilising mind-control to make himself a Red Flight slave.
23. Malygos: i have new consort now, woo! wait… i wanna know, this dun constitute rape. nah. course it doesn’t. amirite? i am very right. you will agree!
24. …there’s nothing else to add.
This turn of events has left me wanting to find Metzen in a dark alley, so that I may beat him with a rusty pipe. Over. And over And over.
This is what happens when you turn your primary franchise into an MMO developers. It becomes a joke. PAY HEED!
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Well this is Blizzards last installment. Its easy to tell.
When we first saw wow it was pretty colors and such(spring) then some patches came out and it was pretty solid looking with greens, blues, SOLID colors. Then we got BC which main color scheme was faded, brown, yellowish. Now we’ve got the lich king which is blue, snowy. The end of the year.
The end of WoW. At least as we know it.
Yes it’s pretty and amusing. But consider what was in the Burning Crusade trailer and what was actually delivered when paid for — Black Temple? Not really. Mount Hyjal? Hah, no. The grand irony of the pretty and amusing while completely gameplay-free trailer is how wildly unlikely it is for Arthas to actually in “Wrath of the Lich King” when it ships.
More like “Wrath of the Marketing Department”….
I bet the people most eagerly awaiting this are the gold sellers.
‘But consider what was in the Burning Crusade trailer and what was actually delivered when paid for — Black Temple? Not really. Mount Hyjal? Hah, no.’
And this was _fine_ because there was so much content to plow through before we could even have a hope of attempting those instances. Why ship with those dungeons when the attunement-required dungeons aren’t even complete?
Just a quick comment on the lore, although indeed you would take out ‘bosses’ in WC III and FT, you notably couldn’t repeat the feat the next day with that bosses own armaments.
I’m going to ignore the bickering and just say that trailer was as splendid as I’ve come to expect from Blizzard.
Nice trailer alright, too bad it’s wasted on a MMORPG.
Just got thinking… it seems like whenever a post concerning wow or just about any MMO comes out, everyone always have a strong opinions about wow. Or perhaps that’s just those who don’t decides not to comment to not get in the line of fire?
I really wonder how they’ll continue the Warcraft franchise after this (a sequel feels like a safe guess, really)… will it just be “wow wasn’t canon” or “let’s build it all from scratch” or something?
@Jocho:
There’s still Azshara, Deathwing and the Old Gods to take out. There’s still room for a few more expansion packs, really, although possibly not with the impact of villains as Wrath has. :)
Blizzards CGI’s have always been very well constructed with amazing production values. WC3 both normal and expansion was brilliant (in fact not sure I ever finished the last level of expansion….. it was hard and I was playing at lunchtimes at work. :) ) but it continued the samey storyline as described by Yutt. Never gone near WoW due to knowing of its addictive nature and my “if I’m going to play a game, its goin to be done well” attitude meeting in the loss of sleep/friends etc. I got involved with travian once and thank the lord for the fact it ends after a year. Anyway to unearth what point I had beside passing on my thoughts – these little CGI snippets for a game I wont play do bring a warm glow and remind me of the great fun I had playing the originals.
dear god, are we still harping on about ‘mmo’s suck ‘and wow players have no life’? some people, some 10million plus people like WoW (myself included) and they’re entitled to like the game and genre of their choice. can’t we all just get over this ‘my game’s better/more valid/less of a grind’ mentality and accept the mmo genre (and with it WoW as the current commerical pinnacle of the genre) as part of the larger tapestry of videogame culture, or are we all really that friggin’ immature? fps games do it for some, driving games for some, mmo’s for others. why is one game genre ‘wasted time’ and another not? all games are ‘wastes of time’ and that’s why they’re great. get over yourselves. live and let live. and if you can’t say anything constructive piss off to gamespot where you might find a home… and to go back on topic, i thought the trailer was superb. i only wish that was the team making the likely-to-be-disappointing WoW film… in comparison the WAR trailer was a video game advert where as LK’s is cinema 8)
People who don’t like the things I like scare and confuse me.
I think some people are assuming a level of hostility not in evidence
Nice trailer, reminds me of the fun I had with WC3 and the expansion. I quite liked the warcraft lore back in the day, but didn’t feel like doing fetchquests for it, so never got into WoW. Well there’s always Starcraft and Diablo.
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Jason, you think BC was brown and faded? Hmm… we must have been playing different BC then. Or our computers/monitors vary drastically. The only faded area I can think of is the Bone Wastes.
Po, you think so? You may be right, for all I know, but I just don’t get it. Why do people buy gold? Right now it is so simple to be filthy rich, it’s disgusting. I have more gold than I know what to do with, and I am actually pretty bad about acquiring wealth. A co-worker of mine makes 700 gold every Darkmoon Fair just buying from vendors and selling on AH. And there are also quests, dailies, drops, etc, etc, etc. Weird.
i honestly feel that that trailer is more fun and epic feeling than the entire game itself. Sure one can have some fun while playing wow but jeez most of the time the experience feels about as far removed from the truly awesome storyline shown in the videos as (for want of a better reference) red dwarf is from an american sitcom. imo the warcraft ip would have been infinitly better as a movie or something else that isnt an mmo.
and yes i played WoW for 10months and i felt dead inside.
If I remember correctly (everything about my time in WOW gets muddled and pretty much converges into a big blob…) there was both a trailer for the announcement of Burning Crusade and an actual cinematic intro, that replaced the original intro.
While I liked the trailer back then.. I liked the cinematic intros even more! It showed actual characters. That was a nice touch, to see the characters come to life somehow, for lack of a better expression…
This trailer leaves me a slightly bit disappointed. It didn’t wet my appetite. I can still resist the urge to reactivate my account. Maybe when the new cinematic intro comes around. If that offers something palpable, I might be tempted.
@The Hammer — turns out I was on Dark Iron… name’s Eodhoran. Thanks!
It was reading about all the new stuff that did it for me, Arnulf. Although patching up to the current version was a bit of a pain in the ass.
Alright, Wey! Lucky you caught me in time – I’m off on holiday in about an hour. :)
Sending the Scroll now!
DOH! Are you on the American servers? If so, not sure if there’s a way to send you an invite back. I’m on the EU variety, you see. Can’t see Dark Iron on the list. *curses*
@cyrenic
Truer words were never spoken.
Though what was more painful was what’s happened to Malygos and Alexstrasa. I always loved the Dragon aspects in Warcraft lore, but here’s what’s currently happening in Wrath:
1. Some Nether Drakes meet Malygos.
2. Ping, Malygos is sane again. Hooray!
3. Everyone sits on their hands for a while wondering a bunch of Nether Drakes actually made him sane again.
4. Malygos observes the World and finds it wanting, and devises a plan.
5. Malygos: ok gaiz, here is plan. magic bad. like fire. it let people summon demonz. demonz bad. so killz all the magic userz. kk?
6. Alexstrasa: I don’t think that’s a good idea.
7. Dalaran: We’re so very, very screwed. What fun!
8. Malygos puts his plans into action, Mages die.
9. Everyone ponders the “returned sanity” of Malygos.
10. Alexstrasa joins with the Dalaran Mages.
11. Alexstrasa: it bad that u die. i am dragon of life. i fire hope into the darkness. so… i think we needz to torture peoplez, and i’ll look the other way when u do bad things to malygoz, kk?
12. Dalaran: Uh… right. Super! That means we live, that’s smashing, that is! Oh boy, we do love living!
13. The new Dalaran/Red Flight alliance is born!
14. Alexstrasa looks the other way…
15. The ethically cleansed (because Dragons said it was okay) Dalarans proceed to cause death, too.
16. They destroy a bunch of Malygos’ eggs.
17. They torture those in league with Malygos.
18. At the behest of one of the Red Flight (the LIFE Dragons), the Dalarans kill Malygos’ primary consort (read as: mate).
19. Red Dragon: it was ok cuz we only killed her to draw mad-on madygoz outta hidin, we will bring her bak to life eventually… mebbe… we not sure yet…
20. Malygos is very pissed, understandably.
21. Malygos also realises that his primary lay has been killed.
22. So then–of all the bloody things he could do–he decides to brainwash the aforementioned member of the Red Flight, utilising mind-control to make himself a Red Flight slave.
23. Malygos: i have new consort now, woo! wait… i wanna know, this dun constitute rape. nah. course it doesn’t. amirite? i am very right. you will agree!
24. …there’s nothing else to add.
This turn of events has left me wanting to find Metzen in a dark alley, so that I may beat him with a rusty pipe. Over. And over And over.
This is what happens when you turn your primary franchise into an MMO developers. It becomes a joke. PAY HEED!