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	<title>Comments on: Warhammer EU Pricing &#8211; Fustercluck</title>
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		<title>By: Aeuro</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/08/22/warhammer-pricing-flustercuck/comment-page-2/#comment-88166</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to note that I did get the beta and headstart key issues resolved with Amazon.com and I started playing US pretty much at the same time as everyone else, whereas Euros were completely screwed over :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to note that I did get the beta and headstart key issues resolved with Amazon.com and I started playing US pretty much at the same time as everyone else, whereas Euros were completely screwed over :(</p>
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		<title>By: horribilus</title>
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		<dc:creator>horribilus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m desperately trying to cancel my £38 I paid for the open beta.

Currently every e-mail I send is returned with &quot;we didn&#039;t take your money&quot;. EA online store is where I bought it from, but they&#039;re refusing to admit it and refusing to refund.

If I where you I&#039;d have absolutely nothing to do with EA or GOA. You won&#039;t get your login from GOA and you won&#039;t get your money back from EA or whereever you got it from.

STAY AWAY, ITS ALL BAD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m desperately trying to cancel my £38 I paid for the open beta.</p>
<p>Currently every e-mail I send is returned with &#8220;we didn&#8217;t take your money&#8221;. EA online store is where I bought it from, but they&#8217;re refusing to admit it and refusing to refund.</p>
<p>If I where you I&#8217;d have absolutely nothing to do with EA or GOA. You won&#8217;t get your login from GOA and you won&#8217;t get your money back from EA or whereever you got it from.</p>
<p>STAY AWAY, ITS ALL BAD</p>
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		<title>By: Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the failure of this magnitude by GOA, I have decided to play US version.

Already got hold of my US Beta Key, registered a master account, and now downloading the US version of WAR.

Hope others will see the light and do the same thing, if enough of us do it, someone might actually realize how bad things have got and do something about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the failure of this magnitude by GOA, I have decided to play US version.</p>
<p>Already got hold of my US Beta Key, registered a master account, and now downloading the US version of WAR.</p>
<p>Hope others will see the light and do the same thing, if enough of us do it, someone might actually realize how bad things have got and do something about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Celestra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celestra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are the chances on EA taking over from GOA? Surely after the huge f*ck up of today, GOA are in breech of their contract to deliver what they promised, couldn&#039;t EA step in and take control?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are the chances on EA taking over from GOA? Surely after the huge f*ck up of today, GOA are in breech of their contract to deliver what they promised, couldn&#8217;t EA step in and take control?</p>
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		<title>By: Aeuro</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/08/22/warhammer-pricing-flustercuck/comment-page-2/#comment-84272</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question was posed: How to play on the US servers from Europe? The key is creating a Mythic master account and activating a US key on there, creating your WH login account at the same time. If WH is anything like DAoC, a Euro credit card will pay the monthly subs quite happily.

Sounds simple, but there are a couple of snags. You need to get a US game key, which means getting a US copy of the game. If you try the US Direct2Drive site, it&#039;ll redirect you to the UK D2D site as soon as it sees your credit card billing address is not stateside (and it won&#039;t accept Paypal for it either IIRC) and some US game retailer sites won&#039;t even ship this particular game to Europe.

I&#039;ve managed to get an international order from amazon.com (not .co.uk) accepted, together with the outrageous delivery charges. Only problem with this is that the Amazon.com open beta keys are fubar (I&#039;m trying to get the issue resolved atm), although the early access key works and I have activated it ok. 

Also, I imagine that the box won&#039;t arrive for a couple of days after the live release date ... so I will have a delay in getting my hands on the live release key. Still, Mythic mentioned (somewhere) that there would be a grace period of a few days to allow boxes to arrive.

Actually getting your hands on the US client, to download the game for open beta and early access is a simple (but long) matter of downloading the beta client torrent. From everything I have read, it should patch itself up to early access and then to release, at the appropriate times.

From my experience with DAoC, the last thing I want to do is play a game that forces me to deal with GOA in any way, shape, form, or fashion. So even if I actually did want to play on the Euro servers (for the better pings and timezone populations), I&#039;d rather not play the game at all (or maybe have half my liver cut-out with a spoon) than have to deal with the incompetence and &quot;laisse faire&quot; that is GOA. As it is, most of my online gaming buddies are going to be on US servers, so hopefully I will be able to join them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question was posed: How to play on the US servers from Europe? The key is creating a Mythic master account and activating a US key on there, creating your WH login account at the same time. If WH is anything like DAoC, a Euro credit card will pay the monthly subs quite happily.</p>
<p>Sounds simple, but there are a couple of snags. You need to get a US game key, which means getting a US copy of the game. If you try the US Direct2Drive site, it&#8217;ll redirect you to the UK D2D site as soon as it sees your credit card billing address is not stateside (and it won&#8217;t accept Paypal for it either IIRC) and some US game retailer sites won&#8217;t even ship this particular game to Europe.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve managed to get an international order from amazon.com (not .co.uk) accepted, together with the outrageous delivery charges. Only problem with this is that the Amazon.com open beta keys are fubar (I&#8217;m trying to get the issue resolved atm), although the early access key works and I have activated it ok. </p>
<p>Also, I imagine that the box won&#8217;t arrive for a couple of days after the live release date &#8230; so I will have a delay in getting my hands on the live release key. Still, Mythic mentioned (somewhere) that there would be a grace period of a few days to allow boxes to arrive.</p>
<p>Actually getting your hands on the US client, to download the game for open beta and early access is a simple (but long) matter of downloading the beta client torrent. From everything I have read, it should patch itself up to early access and then to release, at the appropriate times.</p>
<p>From my experience with DAoC, the last thing I want to do is play a game that forces me to deal with GOA in any way, shape, form, or fashion. So even if I actually did want to play on the Euro servers (for the better pings and timezone populations), I&#8217;d rather not play the game at all (or maybe have half my liver cut-out with a spoon) than have to deal with the incompetence and &#8220;laisse faire&#8221; that is GOA. As it is, most of my online gaming buddies are going to be on US servers, so hopefully I will be able to join them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now my head hurts. 

From now on, all discussion on politics, EU corruption, markets, economic theory and semi-relevent Warhammer stuff shall continue....through the medium of dance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now my head hurts. </p>
<p>From now on, all discussion on politics, EU corruption, markets, economic theory and semi-relevent Warhammer stuff shall continue&#8230;.through the medium of dance.</p>
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		<title>By: Whizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh bugger I didn&#039;t realise GOA was running this in Europe, after DAoC I want nothing more to do with them, I guess I better can my pre-order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh bugger I didn&#8217;t realise GOA was running this in Europe, after DAoC I want nothing more to do with them, I guess I better can my pre-order.</p>
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		<title>By: OAB</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/08/22/warhammer-pricing-flustercuck/comment-page-2/#comment-81477</link>
		<dc:creator>OAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 14:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorgeras: That&#039;s weight, not strength, the US Dollar, the Yen and the late DMark have never been worth more than one pound, but all have been stronger at some point. Put another way, the Turkish Lira didn&#039;t get 1,000,000 times stronger when they dropped six zeros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorgeras: That&#8217;s weight, not strength, the US Dollar, the Yen and the late DMark have never been worth more than one pound, but all have been stronger at some point. Put another way, the Turkish Lira didn&#8217;t get 1,000,000 times stronger when they dropped six zeros.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just checked; it isn&#039;t. The Pound today is worth more than the Euro. 

And this is AFTER Reuters reports a slump in the Pound&#039;s worth because of recession fears. Whilst it&#039;s theoretically possible for the Euro to overtake the Pound, it isn&#039;t likely in practice because most EU countries don&#039;t have as liberal business laws as Britain and those that do like Poland have their workers attracted to Britain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just checked; it isn&#8217;t. The Pound today is worth more than the Euro. </p>
<p>And this is AFTER Reuters reports a slump in the Pound&#8217;s worth because of recession fears. Whilst it&#8217;s theoretically possible for the Euro to overtake the Pound, it isn&#8217;t likely in practice because most EU countries don&#8217;t have as liberal business laws as Britain and those that do like Poland have their workers attracted to Britain.</p>
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		<title>By: OAB</title>
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		<dc:creator>OAB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gorgeras: The Euro currently is stronger than than the pound, that&#039;s just the way it is. If this will last, now that&#039;s a different question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gorgeras: The Euro currently is stronger than than the pound, that&#8217;s just the way it is. If this will last, now that&#8217;s a different question.</p>
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		<title>By: Beefeater1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beefeater1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bumping Paul S&#039;s question. If we want to throw in the towel and go US, how do we do that?

EDIT: missed Gorgeras&#039;s answer. But I have a nasty sense there may be more to it than that.

Oh hell, may as well give GOA the benefit of the doubt for a  couple of weeks. But if their apparent competence doesn&#039;t improve, then knit me a Stars&#039;n&#039;Stripes and slap a Stetson on my head - I&#039;ll be joining the Yanquis. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bumping Paul S&#8217;s question. If we want to throw in the towel and go US, how do we do that?</p>
<p>EDIT: missed Gorgeras&#8217;s answer. But I have a nasty sense there may be more to it than that.</p>
<p>Oh hell, may as well give GOA the benefit of the doubt for a  couple of weeks. But if their apparent competence doesn&#8217;t improve, then knit me a Stars&#8217;n'Stripes and slap a Stetson on my head &#8211; I&#8217;ll be joining the Yanquis.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t be sure until after release. But unless EA-Mythic-GoA take deliberate steps to prevent it, it will be fairly straightforward to simply make a US account on Mythic&#039;s WAR site and download a US client, either from Fileplanet or EA&#039;s service.  

And it doesn&#039;t matter about the normal ups and downs of the money markets: the Euro will never be as strong as the Pound. There are a number of rather solid reasons for why this is the case, the main one being that the EU as an organisation is undemocratic, anti-competitive and intentionally obscure. The common market that was promised hasn&#039;t happened because even the continental nations are just not suited to federalism like the American states are. Whilst the Dollar is worth almost the same in Florida as it is in Oklahoma, the Euro in Italy can often be worth a very different amount from the Euro in Ireland. Europe is not a mono-culture like the US, which is young and whilst having a diverse people, does not have diverse internal influences like Europe, which has nations almost a thousand years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t be sure until after release. But unless EA-Mythic-GoA take deliberate steps to prevent it, it will be fairly straightforward to simply make a US account on Mythic&#8217;s WAR site and download a US client, either from Fileplanet or EA&#8217;s service.  </p>
<p>And it doesn&#8217;t matter about the normal ups and downs of the money markets: the Euro will never be as strong as the Pound. There are a number of rather solid reasons for why this is the case, the main one being that the EU as an organisation is undemocratic, anti-competitive and intentionally obscure. The common market that was promised hasn&#8217;t happened because even the continental nations are just not suited to federalism like the American states are. Whilst the Dollar is worth almost the same in Florida as it is in Oklahoma, the Euro in Italy can often be worth a very different amount from the Euro in Ireland. Europe is not a mono-culture like the US, which is young and whilst having a diverse people, does not have diverse internal influences like Europe, which has nations almost a thousand years old.</p>
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