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	<title>Comments on: GOA Confirms Open Beta, Definitely Lowers Prices</title>
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		<title>By: arbitrary</title>
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		<dc:creator>arbitrary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CMs finally posted their confirmation here:
http://only-war.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;t=415</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CMs finally posted their confirmation here:<br />
<a href="http://only-war.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;t=415" rel="nofollow">http://only-war.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;t=415</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nightroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nightroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of drama about something so minor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of drama about something so minor.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy cow, a GOA guy said intelligible stuff. When he talks about communication issues though, he doesn&#039;t explain Magnus&#039; now infamous demograph meme. 

Sterntaler is otherwise dangerously cogent. 

&quot;Americans would become skeptical when you don&#039;t sell your product as &quot;awesome&quot; and see that as a lack of confidence in one&#039;s own product - Europeans become skeptical when you keep singing it&#039;s highest praises.&quot;

You mean those crazy foreigners actually share something in common with Brits?? Something ain&#039;t right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow, a GOA guy said intelligible stuff. When he talks about communication issues though, he doesn&#8217;t explain Magnus&#8217; now infamous demograph meme. </p>
<p>Sterntaler is otherwise dangerously cogent. </p>
<p>&#8220;Americans would become skeptical when you don&#8217;t sell your product as &#8220;awesome&#8221; and see that as a lack of confidence in one&#8217;s own product &#8211; Europeans become skeptical when you keep singing it&#8217;s highest praises.&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean those crazy foreigners actually share something in common with Brits?? Something ain&#8217;t right.</p>
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		<title>By: sergio rameer</title>
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		<dc:creator>sergio rameer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOA have confirmed lots of details.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65412</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOA have confirmed lots of details.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65412" rel="nofollow">http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65412</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/08/26/goa-confirms-open-beta-access-for-ead2d-pre-orders/comment-page-2/#comment-82481</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate that analogy. Has Butler ever had to experience a mole infestation?

I remember my time at school doing horticulture very vividly. I remember everyones tears when the moles came.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that analogy. Has Butler ever had to experience a mole infestation?</p>
<p>I remember my time at school doing horticulture very vividly. I remember everyones tears when the moles came.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is the game so expensive? you could get WOW+BC+WLK and still have a fiver handy in most cases, and a tenner in others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the game so expensive? you could get WOW+BC+WLK and still have a fiver handy in most cases, and a tenner in others</p>
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		<title>By: Rudolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all this aside, goa&#039;s support team on daoc servers was, after initial setbacks quite similar to this here really good. Knowing a couple of game masters and community managers, the communication inside GOA has got to be stressful, but to their customer base, those guys were doing the best they could. All this while I was playing daoc, of course, quit sometime after trials of atlantis came out, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all this aside, goa&#8217;s support team on daoc servers was, after initial setbacks quite similar to this here really good. Knowing a couple of game masters and community managers, the communication inside GOA has got to be stressful, but to their customer base, those guys were doing the best they could. All this while I was playing daoc, of course, quit sometime after trials of atlantis came out, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: cullnean</title>
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		<dc:creator>cullnean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and on a lighter note i got ordained online!

who wants to get married in the name of horace the endless bear?

not sure about the legalites of using my new title Reverend in the uk but i have the same rights to marry people in america as elvis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and on a lighter note i got ordained online!</p>
<p>who wants to get married in the name of horace the endless bear?</p>
<p>not sure about the legalites of using my new title Reverend in the uk but i have the same rights to marry people in america as elvis!</p>
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		<title>By: Butler`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butler`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst GOA and other Mythic affiliates have caused a lot of unecessary grief and misinformation, the words &quot;mountain&quot; and &quot;mole hill&quot; are coming to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst GOA and other Mythic affiliates have caused a lot of unecessary grief and misinformation, the words &#8220;mountain&#8221; and &#8220;mole hill&#8221; are coming to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: ASH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOA: One company where &quot;Not it will not&quot; actually means &quot;yes in some cases&quot;.
I do not know why they simply CAN NOT seem to just communicate with the potential customer base without obfuscating it and twisting it around afterwards.

How much proof does Mythic need for understanding that GOA *is* a terrible choice. They showed in DAoC, they show pre-launch now, then what on earth will change come live?

At least we know GOA is &quot;on shedual&quot; and that account center and download of OB will be up &quot;the first week&quot; (meaning the last day of said week no doubt) of September.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOA: One company where &#8220;Not it will not&#8221; actually means &#8220;yes in some cases&#8221;.<br />
I do not know why they simply CAN NOT seem to just communicate with the potential customer base without obfuscating it and twisting it around afterwards.</p>
<p>How much proof does Mythic need for understanding that GOA *is* a terrible choice. They showed in DAoC, they show pre-launch now, then what on earth will change come live?</p>
<p>At least we know GOA is &#8220;on shedual&#8221; and that account center and download of OB will be up &#8220;the first week&#8221; (meaning the last day of said week no doubt) of September.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IanC, continuing a fine tradition of obscurification. While my bleeding eyes can still keep awake, I&#039;d just like to take the time to challenge some of those claims.

I made no accusation of a mark-up, I pointed out that two of the &#039;premium&#039; partners that we currently know of are outlets which EA has a vested financial in. It&#039;s why I was curious about who thought of this ridiculous idea. You&#039;ve implied it is GOA. What it does not explain is how it bares any relevence to Magnus&#039; sensically-challenged comments about European demographics. 

I&#039;m not picking up any information about why there are premium partners at all. I assume HMV is a premium partner, which I find odd because they are not a major retailer of PC games. I expect that GAME is unlikely to be announced as a premium partner, despite being one of the most prominent retailers of PC games. If this turns out on thursday to be the case, then nothing about this plan makes sense. It means some digging has to be done for dots that can be joined in the back-ground. It&#039;s too early to speculate, mainly because GOA has refused to actually be open whilst repeatedly claiming to be open, even though most people would consider delaying announcements for weeks until a certain date to exactly constitute not being open. GOA blames everyone but themselves.

I already purchased my European Collector&#039;s Edition pre-order box at HMV almost a year ago before you accused me of being unable to change my point of view, that I was anti-GOA no matter what(I stared at my GOA WAR CE pre-order box with a sense of hopelessness after reading that). I wanted GOA to succeed right up until recently, now I no longer care unless something magical happens this autumn. I came to that view only after a long read of events, I didn&#039;t begin like that. I intended to play on the European servers all along, only GOA changed my mind. I will now only be on the Euro servers for the open beta and will play the game on US servers after release. 

Criticism is meant to challenge you to improve, inform you of short-comings and work out best for everyone. But GOA never accepted blame for anything as long as they had a shoe-string to tug on. Those who pointed things out were the ones who were blamed, it was their fault. Even now fansite forums are filled with legitimate complaints which are met with the same arrogance that has been GOA&#039;s most consistent export for two years now. Word definitions were changed, black was white, up was down and questions were cherry-picked for favourable answers. 

Lastly, it&#039;s not my attitude; these are not solely my complaints or feelings. They are repeated frequently on every fansite forum. These would have been your most loyal players, they are like this because they care the most. They are not glad to know what you think of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IanC, continuing a fine tradition of obscurification. While my bleeding eyes can still keep awake, I&#8217;d just like to take the time to challenge some of those claims.</p>
<p>I made no accusation of a mark-up, I pointed out that two of the &#8216;premium&#8217; partners that we currently know of are outlets which EA has a vested financial in. It&#8217;s why I was curious about who thought of this ridiculous idea. You&#8217;ve implied it is GOA. What it does not explain is how it bares any relevence to Magnus&#8217; sensically-challenged comments about European demographics. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not picking up any information about why there are premium partners at all. I assume HMV is a premium partner, which I find odd because they are not a major retailer of PC games. I expect that GAME is unlikely to be announced as a premium partner, despite being one of the most prominent retailers of PC games. If this turns out on thursday to be the case, then nothing about this plan makes sense. It means some digging has to be done for dots that can be joined in the back-ground. It&#8217;s too early to speculate, mainly because GOA has refused to actually be open whilst repeatedly claiming to be open, even though most people would consider delaying announcements for weeks until a certain date to exactly constitute not being open. GOA blames everyone but themselves.</p>
<p>I already purchased my European Collector&#8217;s Edition pre-order box at HMV almost a year ago before you accused me of being unable to change my point of view, that I was anti-GOA no matter what(I stared at my GOA WAR CE pre-order box with a sense of hopelessness after reading that). I wanted GOA to succeed right up until recently, now I no longer care unless something magical happens this autumn. I came to that view only after a long read of events, I didn&#8217;t begin like that. I intended to play on the European servers all along, only GOA changed my mind. I will now only be on the Euro servers for the open beta and will play the game on US servers after release. </p>
<p>Criticism is meant to challenge you to improve, inform you of short-comings and work out best for everyone. But GOA never accepted blame for anything as long as they had a shoe-string to tug on. Those who pointed things out were the ones who were blamed, it was their fault. Even now fansite forums are filled with legitimate complaints which are met with the same arrogance that has been GOA&#8217;s most consistent export for two years now. Word definitions were changed, black was white, up was down and questions were cherry-picked for favourable answers. </p>
<p>Lastly, it&#8217;s not my attitude; these are not solely my complaints or feelings. They are repeated frequently on every fansite forum. These would have been your most loyal players, they are like this because they care the most. They are not glad to know what you think of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Butler`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butler`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t say I agree Orange, have you seen the WoW forums? They might have a lot of whine, but in sheer activity numbers they must be up there with the most popular on the net.

In other news, I&#039;ve pre-ordered WAR. It better not be shit like AOC else i&#039;ll be holding RPS responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t say I agree Orange, have you seen the WoW forums? They might have a lot of whine, but in sheer activity numbers they must be up there with the most popular on the net.</p>
<p>In other news, I&#8217;ve pre-ordered WAR. It better not be shit like AOC else i&#8217;ll be holding RPS responsible.</p>
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