By Kieron Gillen on September 12th, 2008 at 1:41 pm.
For a while we’ve been wanting to do some things with the splendid community of RPS folk, so… well, this is us trying. We’re excited by Warhammer and figure it’s one which people would find a ready-made mass of like minded people attractive to play alongside. One problem: we need to choose a “primary” side to be on. And since it’s a time of experimentation, rather than RPS’s tradition fairly-benevolent tyranny, we’re going to go with Diplomacy.
Those who wish to vote will find the digibooths below.
A few notes to think on: Firstly, you’ll see there’s two sets of polls. I suspect the RPS primary guild will be in the EU, but I wanted to allow a chance for the Americans to bond together too. Secondly, this is to choose the primary side. We’ll make a smaller RPS guild for the losing side on another server for playing alts, but the main – at least, initial – thrust will be in whatever wins.
Anyway – poll is go!
European
American
And feel free to argue the pros and cons of the various positions below. Equally, chip in with server-type preference, if you’ve got one, though I suspect that may be in a later poll.
12/09/2008 at 13:48 garren says:
Oh man destruction is so gonna win
12/09/2008 at 13:54 Kieron Gillen says:
8 to 10 in the EU server at the time of writing. That’s not that far apart. But yes! this is interesting.
I admit, I voted Destruction, but I’m highly enjoying playing an Empire Warrior Priest in the Open-Beta. They’re agreeably mental.
KG
12/09/2008 at 14:00 spirit7 says:
I’ve gone Dark Elf Sorcerer in the OB. Very enjoyable – you have to balance the high probability of suicide with increasingly more powerful magic.
12/09/2008 at 14:04 YaRisse says:
Something to make the decision for me, yay.
I’ve heard good things about the Archmage class on the Order side, but very much want to go with Destruction, so I’m torn between the two.
12/09/2008 at 14:04 SteveTheBlack says:
Destruction for me too, thanks. I’m not going to pass on the opportunity to ride around on a magical disc of death, no siree!
12/09/2008 at 14:05 groovychainsaw says:
If the order side had squig herders, I would vote for them, but they don’t, so….
12/09/2008 at 14:06 Okami says:
Curiouser and curiouser.. I can’t seem to vote for the european servers, only for us servers… Which is kinda stupid, since I’m european.
12/09/2008 at 14:07 Citizen Parker says:
Sigh… Destruction is always going to have that sex appeal. Pretty much every single one of their classes look amazing, whereas for Order, only the Empire seems to look “cool” to people.
Keep in mind this is coming from a diehard Dwarf Ironbreaker. But what I hear over and over from all the Bright Wizards running around is “Who wants to be a dwarf?” High Elves don’t seem to have it much better, Shadow Warriors aside.
Oh well. I’d go Destruction too if I could stomach playing for the “bad guys.”
12/09/2008 at 14:08 Aldran says:
I love the Dwarf Ironbreaker, and I’ll be the first to admit I chose that class purely because it’s a dwarf tank. The fact that it’s fun to play comes as a bonus.
So, yep, voted Order.
On the other hand, the Black Orc doesn’t sound too bad, either…
12/09/2008 at 14:09 Kieron Gillen says:
I kinda love the Dwarves. They’ve got ace beards.
KG
12/09/2008 at 14:09 Beefeater says:
Putting in an argument for Order here. Everyone and their dog will play Destruction and there are plenty of guilds – including one which I’m in – that are already doing destruction. I want another guild that I can play my Witch Hunter in!
Edit: Servers – one of the Karaks would be good.
Beefeater: Selfish but honest since 1980.
12/09/2008 at 14:14 Kieron Gillen says:
We’re playing on Karak Norn right now.
KG
12/09/2008 at 14:16 arbitrary says:
If we didn’t already have a fabulous guild, I’d come join you guys. So go Destruction on a RP server so we can hit you or ally with you if you go Order
12/09/2008 at 14:17 Mystic Smeg says:
Going by the OB server browser levels Destruction always looked FULL or HIGH while Order was mostly LOW.
Always fun to play the underdog.
12/09/2008 at 14:18 Ian says:
I really wish I wanted to play this. An RPS guild sounds fun. :(
12/09/2008 at 14:20 Koopa says:
Destruction classes seem a bit more interesting to me, though I imagine most have their counterparts on Order side. Been playing Sorceress, Zealot and Shaman in the beta now, fun fun fun. Although, the Runepriest seems like a fun class too, but would prefer it as an alt maybe. Anyhow, I’m game either way.
Edit: Agree with Smeg though, playing the underdog is a bit more fun.
12/09/2008 at 14:21 MacBeth says:
If I was going to play an MMO (which I’m not), it would be WAR, and if I was going to join a guild once playing (which I’m, again, not), it would be an RPS one… carry on
12/09/2008 at 14:21 Kieron Gillen says:
Ian: If this takes off, we’ll try and set up the core of guilds for most new games which appear.
KG
12/09/2008 at 14:22 Deadcatt says:
I always play dark elves. They just scream bad ass. Now add a half naked witch elf to the mix? Easy choice. Ya, I’m the guy who saved up for that really hot dress you could buy off the city vendor in EQ2, while my brig kicked the crap out of everyone looking like a million bucks.
12/09/2008 at 14:29 CogDissident says:
I plan to play order, and specifically an elf archmage. Though I’m going to hunt in dwarven lands, because I honestly dislike Elves. Go figure.
12/09/2008 at 14:35 PanamaHatBoy says:
Good guys, I always prefer playing good guys. Oh, and I’m having the same problem as Okami – EU gamer, US poll. Can someone please artificially add my Order vote to the EU poll?
Or just not care. That works too.
12/09/2008 at 14:38 CheatingApe says:
There is clearly no arguement for the winning side which is why I am rolling one on both. I don’t know how some of you make out that one side is better than the other when they are clearly template classes from order to destruction. Also, they are both evil sides when you think they are both doing an equal share of killing. Killing was still evil last time I looked.
12/09/2008 at 14:40 Gladman says:
Yeahhh I so wanna get in on an RPS guild.
For me both sides look good , but which hunters could be particularly cool? So ill vote them but don’t really mind.
12/09/2008 at 14:47 The Hammer says:
Nice nod to Dr. Strangelove!
12/09/2008 at 14:51 Alec Meer says:
Kieron, you’ve posted a Warcraft screenshot again.
Oh, waiiiiiit…
12/09/2008 at 14:57 JM says:
Dwarf Engineer for me – I’ve finally decided on a class after nearly a year!
Unless I want to be a tank.
Or a shadow warrior.
12/09/2008 at 14:57 Kieron Gillen says:
Alec Meer, stop being Alec Meer.
KG
12/09/2008 at 15:00 Rosti says:
/Keeps eyes peeled for possibility of Alec disappearing in a puff of logic.
12/09/2008 at 15:09 Jamie says:
Dwarf Engineer here, definately a regular ruleset server, have a Witch Hunter aswell and they are pretty damn fun too.
I’m from Europe.
12/09/2008 at 15:21 Kestrel says:
So I was kinda bummed reading through this as I won’t be playing WAR, but I perked right up when K said RPS might have core clans for upcoming games. Put Demigod in the hat, won’t you? Beta 1.0 engine test and already alot of potential
Thanks
12/09/2008 at 15:22 Whiskey Jack says:
Order has Dwarves. ‘nough said.
12/09/2008 at 15:22 NeonWraith says:
See, I’m tempted to say play Order just ’cause everybody is gonna play Destruction. Although, if you guys do go Destruction I may well make a Black Orc & join you. An RPS guild sounds fun
12/09/2008 at 15:23 Kieron Gillen says:
Kestrel: All requests gratefully received.
KG
12/09/2008 at 15:32 Woges says:
EU Destruction, I’d be happy to join either though as there’s decent choice of classes on both sides.
12/09/2008 at 15:32 Acosta says:
I like to go to MMO with a self service mentality, so I like to take everything to try it. I picked destruction, but in order to create a stable character for a RPS guild I don’t mind if is order or destruction, I have classes I’m interested in each side.
12/09/2008 at 15:45 Esha says:
I feel like a PFY whenever I play anything that could either be considered as “cool” or “the good guys”, this sends shivers up my spine and leaves me feeling icky in ways I cannot describe.
Therefore, I play the greenskins. They’re too dumb to really be construed as cool (that’ll go more to the Dark Elves and Chaos) and they’re certainly not good guys by any stretch of the imagination. Well, they’re not thouroughly evil either, per say, they’re actually more like a force of nature. They’re the tornados and the volcanoes, and that appeals to me.
Plus, I get to talk in a really idiotic parody of Ye Olde Englande, this I revel in. It opens the door to some absolutely bloody fantastic roleplaying – if done right. And it’s oddly therapeutic, too. I got a choppa, a gud plan, and some stunties to smash in. No philosophy, spiritual inclination, enlightenment, or introverted observation need apply to an Orc.
So… Greenskins – and by that decision, Destruction. I’ll mostly be playing my Orc, with a side order of WAAAAGH! provided by a Shaman. I’ll try out the whole herder thing soon too, but that’s so popular that almost everyone I see running around is a herder, hence why I’ve generally avoided that. But I’ll get to that class too.
12/09/2008 at 15:46 mpk says:
Plant seed, add soil, wait…
Add water, wait…
Add nutrient, wait…
YOU GROWED A PLANT CONGRATS.
I’m on whatever side gets to kill the guy that designed Cultivation.
12/09/2008 at 15:51 Dexton says:
I predict queues on whichever side and server the RPS Guild ends up on!
12/09/2008 at 16:07 cyrenic says:
Just to note, Order population was higher on almost every server last night in the US beta (instant queues for destruction ftw). First time I’ve seen that. I don’t expect Destruction to continue to outnumber Order as it has thus far in beta once release hits. We’ll see.
12/09/2008 at 16:08 The Poisoned Sponge says:
Gotta go Destruction purely because I get to HAVE A MUTANT ARM. I’ve been playing on the OB and switching out my arm in the middle of a fight to adapt to it is rather fucking awesome.
12/09/2008 at 16:11 Beefeater says:
“You know what Poisoned Sponge got that they don’t got? An Evil hand!”
12/09/2008 at 16:18 Spludge says:
No Australian guild? That makes me sad :(
12/09/2008 at 16:23 Riotpoll says:
Since my main guild will not be the RPS one, I’m not too fussed, but I’d join whatever the opposite of my guild will be with my main alt, which we’re still deciding at the moment! (Too many commas in that sentence too). I’ll be on the EU servers.
I’ve been playing a Witch Elf in the open beta, and they seem to be a lot more fun than the other melee dps on Destruction (maurauder), and have a superior starting area to chaos too. Also, Pvp at level 1 <3.
This new edit thing is funky!
12/09/2008 at 16:26 schizoslayer says:
Witchhunters ftw! I’ll set fire to you all and twiddle my moustache in a slightly psychotic manner!
12/09/2008 at 16:28 iamseb says:
I went for EU destruction, mostly because of the visual appeal of the destruction classes over the slightly boring order classes.
More importantly, will the RPS guild be on an open RvR server?
12/09/2008 at 16:38 Realsch says:
I admit I was all set on playing a Shaman…but then I fell in love with the warrior priest! Something about bashing heads in and then heal your party to boot (sweet sweet Divine Assault)…
So I voted EU Order!
..to be honest I just want to run around shouting ‘FOR THE EMPEROR!’
12/09/2008 at 16:41 Ketch says:
I had my heart set on playing Greenskin on the EU Roleplay realms, but if RPS goes order elsewhere, I go with thee.
12/09/2008 at 16:49 Gladman says:
@iamseb
I bloody hope so!
12/09/2008 at 16:49 phuzz says:
The only MMO I’ve ever tried playing was Eve, and now I still have problems getting my head round the idea that not everyone can fit in the same game world?!
Come on people, it’s 2008 already, surely someone can design a server side system that can support more than just one continent at a time?
(apart from eve obv. or second life.)
12/09/2008 at 16:58 Noc says:
Re: Dwarf Engineers:
WE NEED A DISPENSER.
HERE.
Makes me wish I was playing this. I’ll probably get in on it eventually.
12/09/2008 at 17:14 Edward Blake says:
Yay, mutant arms for everyone!
12/09/2008 at 17:18 Plinglebob says:
I voted EU Destruction as I enjoy healing and have a massive soft spot for Goblins so the Shaman sounds like a perfect match. However, if the Destruction side is vastly more populated then Order, go Order as its more fun playing a smaller side as more likely to see the same people.
12/09/2008 at 17:20 Freb says:
Seems mightily close at the moment, perhaps two opposing guilds on the same server?
*cue dramatic fight music*
12/09/2008 at 17:21 EyeMessiah says:
I played Alliance for years in WoW. This is something I have always regretted as after playing Alliance for so long I could never really get into Horde, which was a shame because horde on my server were much better at PVP and I really wanted to enjoy the PVP.
So destruction it is!
12/09/2008 at 17:35 Kieron Gillen says:
Freb: While I like it, I’m not sure it’ll work in terms of populations and stuff. What *would* be ideal if we could find another site we get on with to set up their guild on the other side. AND WE COULD WAR.
Re: RvR/RP/Core Server question. My gut feeling is that a pure RvR server is something I’d avoid. there’s so much of the game that’s in an RVR area – I’m told 90% at higher levels – that it’s kind of extraneous. And that just means it’s the people who want to be on a pure RvR server… which, my gut feeling is, will include more people who want to are going to go all l33t on us.
Re: RP. On average, RP servers tend to have a more mature crowd. Not that you *do* RP, but being there and agreeing to play by an extra set of rules means that it’s a little more civilized.
I suspect just going for a core one will be the way I’d like to go. But I’m happy to hear other opinions…
KG
12/09/2008 at 17:45 Tei says:
Guys…. I have voted Destruction.
But order is a smarter option, because there will be less of order than destruction.
Avoid “open rvr” servers. This game is designed for Core, the open servers are a afterthough
12/09/2008 at 17:50 Freb says:
I say we challenge PC Zone UK, which incidentally the RPS Steam community now outnumber.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/pcz
12/09/2008 at 17:51 Gorgeras says:
Green is best.
Though I already picked up a good guild that’s going to a roleplay server, so this doesn’t effect me. I declined to vote. It also means that I will try and suffer GOA for as long as I can. I’ll go US if this guild collapses, which I don’t think it will.
12/09/2008 at 17:57 Kieron Gillen says:
Re: Order/Destruction. I honestly wonder about whether the final game will lean towards Destruction as much as people think. I can see why they’re thinking that, but… well, Beta isn’t Launch and the people who play Beta aren’t the people who play Launch.
KG
12/09/2008 at 18:15 Janto says:
It’s unlikely I’ll play, but I think two opposing guilds would be fantastic! Imagine the fun of seeing John’s scantily clad Elf pulling Keiron’s dwarf’s beard…
On second thoughts, that’s kind of disturbing
12/09/2008 at 18:20 Butler` says:
We’re hitting up some intitiative set up by a bunch of old school DAoC guilds. There’s about 20 order and 20 destruction pvp-minded guilds signed up, and we’re all going to hit the same server.
It should help overcome the whole “everyone’s going to go destruction” problem, and mean there’s actually some non-retarded people to pvp against.
12/09/2008 at 18:29 Andrew F says:
EyeMessiah: part of the Horde being better at PvP, of course, is that as they’re generally out numbered, they don’t have to worry about Arena queues…
12/09/2008 at 19:10 Thesper says:
I voted Order, because a) the ironbreaker is awesome and b) while in WoW it was quite easy to sympathise with the Horde and there wasn’t really a clear cut good guy bad guy divide. Whereas Destruction are just a bunch of bastards. Also, something called the Inevitable City just has to be pounded into the ground.
12/09/2008 at 19:23 Meat Circus says:
When’s this so-called guild going to be live? My pre-order activatises on Monday. Will you be ready for me to thrust my avatar into your guildhole?
12/09/2008 at 19:40 Kieron Gillen says:
I’m going to close the votes on Saturday night and do the “this is the server details” on Sunday – as some people are early Starting on Sunday.
(Not me, annoyingly)
Of course, I have to work out how to actually form a guild, but we’ll work that out, eh?
KG
12/09/2008 at 19:47 Meat Circus says:
Oh, and I think you’re right about having the guild on an RP server. I think it will maximise the chances of fuckwit-avoidance.
It certainly did on WoW. As long as you avoided the nekkid night elf dancing in Goldshire. Which I didn’t.
12/09/2008 at 19:51 Dexton says:
Maybe the RPS guys that will play WAR should separate into two teams and create an Order and a Destruction guild on the same server. Rock and Paper vs Shotgun or something similar.
Preferably in the style of playground football, although I would feel bad for Alec being picked last.
12/09/2008 at 19:58 Meat Circus says:
Dexton, we probably won’t have the numbers. As was said upthread, we need to convince some other similarly-sized community to be our special enemy.
12/09/2008 at 20:15 Dexton says:
I wonder which other EU gaming communities would be interested, I remember reading that the PA guys had considerable success with their WOW rivalry with another webcomic website. Could be great if it got organised.
In other news, EU open beta servers still down, 6 hours and counting.
12/09/2008 at 20:54 Fiale says:
Would be nice to see, if you can convince another site to roll on the same server as the opposite faction would lead to some great play and intense rivalry.
I voted Order because I just think they will be vastly out numbered and need everyone man, woman and cat to defend their RvR turf.
12/09/2008 at 20:59 357SIG says:
American here, I voted destruction. I have to agree that the ability to mutate your arm is pretty damn cool.
12/09/2008 at 21:00 Jockie says:
Still debating whether to get the game, im being emotionally blackmailed into it by friends it would seem and everyone and their mother has left AoC now and Wow doesnt appeal… decisions..
On a side note, how many of the voters of this poll actually intend to buy the game and join the RPS guild? because over 300 votes is quite a big guild by any standards
12/09/2008 at 21:05 Kieron Gillen says:
Jockie: Yeah. I did phrase the question as “if you plan to play” rather than “if you were playing”, but people do like voting. That said, we do get a lot of traffic and it’s not an entirely unlikely number. Will be interesting to see what happens either way.
KG
12/09/2008 at 21:37 H says:
I’m pretty open to playing anything, but I think you have to try the Dorf for a few hours to see their initial area. I think it really has to be seen to be believed.
12/09/2008 at 22:04 Eschatos says:
I’m also playing with two other groups of friends separately, but I’ll try to find the time to join you guys.
12/09/2008 at 22:31 rei says:
I live in Europe, but if I do get this game I’m definitely getting the US version (because of GOA, and because of a slightly higher chance that the people I play with can communicate in passable English).
12/09/2008 at 22:35 Beefeater1980 says:
Barring a huge swing tomorrow, we Orderites lost already. Yet again destruction wins. This may or may not be because Order is dumb.
12/09/2008 at 22:41 Vaur says:
I’ve plumped for EU Order. Although I have a hankering to play more of the Destruction classes, my gut feeling is that joining the (probable) minority is likely to offer a greater challenge and consequently might promote tighter cohesion.
12/09/2008 at 22:47 Marcin says:
I went with Order (US) as it is increasingly looking like Destruction will be the more numerous faction.
12/09/2008 at 22:52 Ging says:
I went with Order, but only because I suspect they’ll be the underdogs – I’d be happy with either, as you know, greenskins for the win!
12/09/2008 at 23:59 malkav11 says:
I really don’t care which side are the underdogs. My two criteria are 1) although both sides are fun, I love Chaos and Dark Elves to death (and most all of their classes), and expect to feel similarly about Greenskins. And Order just doesn’t grab me as hard (High Elves really don’t appeal to me at all. Possibly because of the rather stupid looking armor they’re wearing in the creation screen, but also because none of the class concepts do that much for me. Yes, they’re mirrored in Destruction, but the Destruction versions have far more pizzazz.). 2) I want to play with a close friend of mine, who is in mad, total love with the Greenskins and won’t be playing anything else anytime soon.
So Destruction. I suspect I’m more likely to hook up with the Quarter to Three folks that are leaning Destruction, but we’ll see.
13/09/2008 at 00:23 Great Uncle Baal says:
I went with Destruction, but to be honest, I’m probably going to spend a very long time on the character selection bit, because from what I’ve seen so far most classes on each side look pretty fun. I’m a bit of an MMORPG novice – have played a bit of WoW and a bit more LotRO but never quite got dragged in. Every time I uninstall, I feel like I’m missing out on something, and I really want to like this game. I want to get a couple of mates who don’t normally do MMOs to get in as well, and the Greenskin angle is probably the best bet. If a load of people sign on as orcs it seems like it’s in keeping with the Warhammer universe anyway – dere’z fouzands ov ‘em!
13/09/2008 at 00:34 Paul S says:
Order here – but really, I’m happy either way. This is all rather exciting. I’ve never been in a guild before. Well, I have, but I always quit as they were terrifying, terrifying people.
@Kieron – you seem the most enthusiastic about (hnngh) WAR than I’d expected. Of the RPS overlords, I mean. I thought MMOs failed to push your buttons. Is it because it reminds you of the heady days of spray primer and stepping on plastic goblin spears in bare feet?
13/09/2008 at 00:37 Dorian Cornelius Jasper says:
Voted Order. Because I’m a rebel.
By all appearances, they’re looking to be to WAR what the Horde is to WoW. That means more bragging rights in the long term, because everyone knows the Alliance is for kids who like to gang up on their betters. (And I don’t even play WoW.)
Thanks to the Destruction side’s popularity, the Order side is probably gonna be constantly under siege, as it should be. But hey, there’s something to be said about the underdog.
13/09/2008 at 00:40 deadbob says:
Destruction,
if only for the inevitable SKAVEN expansion.
13/09/2008 at 01:55 Nullh says:
It does look look like the split is going to favour the destruction side. I mean the website has an Orc translator. Still, I have to admit that the Orcs have the best missions, mud flinging, living catapult ammo and broken English are really too much fun to pass up.
13/09/2008 at 01:59 Konky Dong XX: Manjunk McPhallus and the Rectal Knights of Menstruation says:
Order ftw. You Destro nukkas need to bugger off and what forth.
13/09/2008 at 02:57 Kirian says:
Well, I want to play as a Dwarf, so Order. That and the potential to at some point play as a large iguana with an even bigger mace riding a dinosaur.
Although I just know it will be the Bretonnians/Undead pairing as the first addition. Slayers making it in would be enough, but that’s hope against hope.
13/09/2008 at 05:22 Ben Abraham says:
Does anyone know what servers there are for Australian players? Do we get lumped in with the Yanks, a la WoW, or what?
13/09/2008 at 06:42 spinks says:
Will be mostly playing with friends but would love to hang out with you guys on an EU server. I voted destruction out of selfishness because my guild is going order but I’d like to try out the dark side.
13/09/2008 at 08:05 Kommissar Nicko says:
RP servers do tend to have a more mature batch of people. However, in my experience, RP servers also have a lot of rules-lawyers types who will do a lot of bitching if the overlords aren’t as steadfast about the rules as they are. (Here’s looking at you, Age of Conan.)
13/09/2008 at 08:14 fanciestofpants says:
@Ben Abraham:
There will be aussie servers at launch and they *gasp* ARE ACTUALLY IN AUSTRALIA.
/Votes for australian RPS guild.
“Order of the Endless Bear”?
13/09/2008 at 10:45 Raskolnikov says:
Order are the new Horde.
13/09/2008 at 11:19 Kieron Gillen says:
Paul S: Probably a little of that. That I like the IP helps. God knows how long I’ll play, but WAR does deal with a lot of stuff which annoyed me in many other games.
KG
13/09/2008 at 11:38 Punjab says:
I voted Destruction because I used to play Orcs back in the day.
Honestly though, I’ll go wherever the guild does. Playing with a regular group of people is more important to me than what race I play.
13/09/2008 at 12:36 Bluto says:
I’ll be signing up in a month or two when I have regular internet access from home (just moved to a new flat, sitting in the uni library reading RPS) – but I am deeply attracted to the simple but effective head bashing philosophy of the Orcs. No faffing about with magics for me – all I want is a dull cleaver and lots of enemies! Destruction for me! Deeeeeesssssssssttruuuuctionnnn for me!
Having said that, I’ll probably employ a Runesmith alt…
13/09/2008 at 14:25 Asskicker says:
I can’t vote for the EU :S
13/09/2008 at 15:34 Ophois says:
/me delurk
Either type is good for me. Both sides have their purty people and their scarey people and a nice set of class types. I recon I could find a mage to fit my style on either side.
The EU head start begins tomorrow afternoon (for collectors edition folk) so I hope you manage to get the server/side info out by then. I guess the actual guild doesn’t have to be formed until later (?), just as long as we’re all in the right place, lurking in the corners like some kind of online flash mob in the making.
13/09/2008 at 16:09 Note says:
I’ll be playing through a class for each race before I settle down for the long haul, so I’ll join up on both sides of the war if there are 2 guilds. My vote went to destruction though, as that’s where my group-oriented class choices are.
Just a note on server choice.. Perhaps we should let the Collectors Edition players seek out the lowest population server on sunday? I imagine the headstart servers will be the most populous and RPS folk will compound any “full server” problems by flooding the destruction side with another 253 players (at time of writing).
Edit: I really like the idea of finding a nemesis guild!
13/09/2008 at 16:35 Chris says:
Why not have a rival guild in Order on the same server?
It would lead to some very interesting encounters and a nice bit of banter. And i would think you guys need to get a guild website up and running.
13/09/2008 at 18:29 Stromko says:
Destruction will be greatly overpopulated on all servers. Dark Elves have a monopoly on T&A, Orks got attitude out the ass, and Chaos has mutant freaks, psychos, and evil magi. I was seriously looking forward to getting my Orky on, but f*ck that.
But if you like login queues and rarely having targets for RvR, let alone ever having enough to go around, by all means. If you like victory to be inevitable rather than something you have to form a strong group to get, go ahead.
Destruction has style, definitely, but unfortunately that advantage in style is so clear that even the unwashed masses can feel it. Their assortment of classes is quite poor however. Note how each Destruction race has a melee DPS / debuffer class, that sure eliminates a few slots that could’ve been something different. Amongst Destruction there are also two different magical nuker classes. Only one pet class, also a nuker.
Meanwhile amongst Order, the High Elves alone (the most boring race in the faction IMO) have a melee pet class the White Lions, a combination tank/DPS (their choice) class, a combination nuker / healer, and a stealthy rogue with a decent ranged component. Other highlights are the Dwarven engineer which as a pet class still fills a completely different role from the White Lion, the Iron Breakers who are tanks sure enough but switch to being brutal asskickers once the battle is truly joined, and and the human War Priest whom are healers yes but can also dish it out and take it.
On the one hand I picked Order because I always pick the least populated side, on the other hand I picked Order because they actually have a broad array of classes I want to play, not just Black Orks. Miss the T&A? You can always go to the high elven lands and chase around dark elves all day if that catches your fancy.
13/09/2008 at 18:58 Bluto says:
I hope they left room in the game engine for a Bloodbowl tournament at some point in the future…
13/09/2008 at 19:28 Krushchev says:
As you yourself have mentioned previously, Destruction has all the fun.
:)
13/09/2008 at 19:47 Beefeater1980 says:
A quick note on guilds: being the kind of dull lawyer that I am and reading through the terms of service, I noticed that if a guild leader goes quiet for 3 weeks or more, GOA have the right to step in and promote up a replacement who is a bit more active.
Interesting, no? Or did everyone else already know this?
13/09/2008 at 20:16 Nick says:
I assume they can do it if requested. Which is actually fair enough as with no active guld leader all you can do in a lot of games is reform.
13/09/2008 at 20:28 Chris says:
Thanks Stromko,
Taking in mind this is a pvp game as it sounds.
What measures do they have in place for the various imbalances that can arise in PvP?
Such as a 3v1 ratio in a pvp scenario, afk’ers, lots of people giving up after 10 seconds and players becoming defeatist and saying ” were gonna lose, let them win” etc
This sort of thing makes my blood boil.
Can anyone tell me about things that are in place to sort this out?
Basically i would love to play a deep story based mmo pvp game with real sustainable pvp. What in the game will want me to play PvP non stop everyday for 6 to 12 months? How does it progress in the latter, latter stages?
13/09/2008 at 21:46 Hmm-hmm. says:
EU, Order (once I get me a decent gaming computer). Then again, it’d be neat to encounter RPS in the opposition.
13/09/2008 at 21:58 Dolphan says:
Does WAR need UDP ports open? I can only tunnel TCP at uni, which so far has cut out anything but WOW.
13/09/2008 at 22:16 Aldran says:
@Dolphan:
LATER EDIT: I was wrong. This is what warhammeralliance has to say:
“Warhammer patcher uses http/tcp port 1380. In game: TCP: 8046″
13/09/2008 at 22:22 Ophois says:
The list of headstart servers is up. Looks like about half of the full list?
Core
Axe Bite Pass
Karag Dron
Karag Orrud
Karak Eight Peaks
Karak Azgal
Karak Hirn
Core Roleplay
Burlok
Open RvR
Dragonback Mountains
Eltharion
Finuval Plain
Open RvR Roleplay.
Alarielle
13/09/2008 at 23:41 okletsgo says:
Whoever has the best tanking class. It seems like the Dwarf Ironbreakers are the class for me.
14/09/2008 at 00:06 jambamagamba says:
Destruction all the way! I will of course be playing as a black orc, due to its uncanny resemblance to a demented transvestite at low levels.
That is to say, a low level black orc, not a low level transvestite.
14/09/2008 at 01:39 Chalkster says:
I will probably play a Squig Herder, White Lion, or Dwarven Engineer if I play, but I must know. Are there passive pet commands? Like neat out of combat stuff you can do?
Oh, and I voted Order, since it’s more diverse.
14/09/2008 at 09:23 Redford says:
If the NS WAR guild falls through this is by backup plan. Heck, if you are on a separate server from the NS guild I would love to join. Just remember: Don’t move like a dwarf.
14/09/2008 at 11:31 Esha says:
@deadbob
If they ever include the Skaven, I might end up hooked for life. The Skaven are one of my all time favourite Warhammer races, and it’ll draw in the crowd that likes to play beastfolk too. Becasue, let’s face it, Skaven > Tauren any day of the given tricentennial period.
@Dorian
Normally I’d be with you on that, because I like being a rebel too. There’s an interesting aspect to consider, though: In beta, the Horde vastly outnumbered the Alliance too. It’s only when the game was opened up to the vast everybody mass that the tables turned. In fact, when the game went live it was a complete turnaround.
14/09/2008 at 11:35 Alec Meer says:
You do get to fight some Skaven, if it’s any consolation. But yeah, they seem like a shoe-in for an expansion pack race.
14/09/2008 at 11:46 Kieron Gillen says:
The problem with Skaven is that they don’t have a “natural” enemy in the lore, so pairing them up is tricky. I mean, one of their biggest wars was against the Undead, historically speaking, which is completely out.
I suppose if you wanted to go with geographically, Skavenblight and the Bretonnians would be a pairing – but it’s not as if they’re natural antagonists.
Esha: Yeah, that’s my thought too.
KG
14/09/2008 at 11:46 Esha says:
I’m looking forward to encountering the Skaven, that should be interesting – I’m curious to see how they’ve envisioned them for the game and how they’re portrayed within the confines of the engine.
Still though, if Mythic did indeed shove the Skaven in there for all to enjoy in a playable format, there would be hugs all around for them. Until then, I’ll continue to play my Orc because Orcs amuse me. They’re like big, green rabid puppies with in-built nuclear armaments.
14/09/2008 at 11:54 Riotpoll says:
I’m rooting for a Skaven vs Lizardmen expansion in the jungle.
14/09/2008 at 12:24 edward blake says:
Have you guys decided which server your going to play on yet?
14/09/2008 at 12:29 Kieron Gillen says:
I’m going to do a proper post a bit later, but for those who are in today the (main) Destruction Guild will be on Karak Hirn. The secondary Order guild will be Karak Eight Peaks.
KG
14/09/2008 at 12:50 edward blake says:
Great stuff.
14/09/2008 at 12:54 Esha says:
Looks like I’m rolling a greenie on that server, then. Though if the name Thrudd is taken, I’m going to cry – or I’ll just settle for Groo. Since I care not for imaginatively naming Orcs, dat takes finkin’!
Note to self: You need to stop thinking, talking aloud, and writing in italics.
14/09/2008 at 14:51 Beefeater1980 says:
For the secondary order guild, my character’s Penitent the Witchhunter on Karak Eight Peaks. Who to talk to about joining?
14/09/2008 at 15:03 Ophois says:
Looks like they are being very strict on the numbers in each server. At time of posting they are only allowing 80 Destruction characters active on that server. I guess it’s to stop the start zone being swamped. Does that mean they’ll do the same at launch? Seems impossible if they don’t wat to piss off most of their paying customers.
You can at least create a character so as to get the name you want. You may have to wait a while to actually get logged in though (mine said about 18h but has now come down to the much hopeful 15m)… :(
Female destruction sorceress called Sekhmet. Yes I’m playing cross gender; but I may as well have a pretty avatar to look at for all those hours.
14/09/2008 at 15:20 Poe says:
Wow, Karak Hirn is pretty packed on both sides. Theres a 25 minute queue to get into the Destruction side.
Ps. Zealot on Hirn called Xanthor if anyone wants a healer.
14/09/2008 at 15:41 Kirian says:
Kieron: traditionally the Skaven haven’t had a nemesis, but my feeling is that this has changed. It looks like, barring Ogres and Dogs of War, they’ve paired up each race now (Bretonnians get Undead/Tomb Kings). The storyline justification would be that the Skaven are building up masses of power, and the Slann have noticed. That said, geography is a good argument.