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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/16/sticking-the-knife-in-more-political-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-90190</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorgeras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Details about this &#039;study&#039; seem sketchy. Did it look for shops that do not check the age of every customer or just the ones that &#039;look young&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Details about this &#8217;study&#8217; seem sketchy. Did it look for shops that do not check the age of every customer or just the ones that &#8216;look young&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: groovychainsaw</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/16/sticking-the-knife-in-more-political-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-90138</link>
		<dc:creator>groovychainsaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly ,you could conclude the opposite of what they are clearly seeking with this study. 1. Knives are dangerous. People know that, so are strict about selling them to kids. 2. Games are less dangerous, people are less strict about selling them to kids. Likewise, I bet you age ratings are enforced more strictly on... explosives, dangerous chemicals etcetc. and not enforced on toys very strictly (age 8+ on difficult jigsaw puzzles etc. &#039;Oh no! you bought it for a 7-year-old! He&#039;ll be stabbing people tomorrow!&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly ,you could conclude the opposite of what they are clearly seeking with this study. 1. Knives are dangerous. People know that, so are strict about selling them to kids. 2. Games are less dangerous, people are less strict about selling them to kids. Likewise, I bet you age ratings are enforced more strictly on&#8230; explosives, dangerous chemicals etcetc. and not enforced on toys very strictly (age 8+ on difficult jigsaw puzzles etc. &#8216;Oh no! you bought it for a 7-year-old! He&#8217;ll be stabbing people tomorrow!&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: Optimaximal</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/16/sticking-the-knife-in-more-political-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-90050</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimaximal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m surprised Plymouth had 9 games shops, let alone more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Would it surprise you to learny that &#039;game shop&#039; defined every single retail outlet that just happens to peddle computer games, including (but not limited too) supermarkets, stationers and mobile phone shops offering Wii/Xbox/PS3 bundles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m surprised Plymouth had 9 games shops, let alone more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would it surprise you to learny that &#8216;game shop&#8217; defined every single retail outlet that just happens to peddle computer games, including (but not limited too) supermarkets, stationers and mobile phone shops offering Wii/Xbox/PS3 bundles.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex-Plymouthian I&#039;m not surprised the council is seeking something, anything to distract from its greviously poor decision-making. 

This was a few years ago, but things haven&#039;t really improved: 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm

Cllr. Leaves is just a  ridiculous rent-a-gob and the Herald share the owners and attitude of the Daily Mail, hence the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex-Plymouthian I&#8217;m not surprised the council is seeking something, anything to distract from its greviously poor decision-making. </p>
<p>This was a few years ago, but things haven&#8217;t really improved:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm</a></p>
<p>Cllr. Leaves is just a  ridiculous rent-a-gob and the Herald share the owners and attitude of the Daily Mail, hence the above.</p>
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		<title>By: Myros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the OP for the most part I do sometimes have an issue with people who talk about the whole concept of &#039;video games and their impact on young people&#039; as if it was a totaly impossible correlation. Who give arguments against the idea with pop-psychology such as &#039;I played video games and I&#039;m not violent&#039; as if that proves the issue.

The fact is that everything experienced, seen, heard and felt has an impact on a developing personality. Every action taken and the observed consequences gets hard coded into the brain to define a &#039;moral&#039; framework. It&#039;s not a question of wether violent games have an impact but rather how much of an impact.

The key point for most of us is that we get a good range of input ... sure we may see and experience violence but we also see and experience the range of positive influences ie love, compassion etc and our brains have a great ability to balance the equations.

The problem is, of course, that we are all different. What might be an acceptable level of negative input for one person might be in another the limit that would push them more towards becoming a violent personality.

Politicians are probably the worst offenders obviously as they look to single out one &quot;cause&quot; to blame for political reasons. Yes, it&#039;s a moronic thing to do but that doesnt negate the issue. Take a 12 year old kid playing video games 4 hours a day ... of course it has an influence, it would be impossible for it not to have an influence. That&#039;s just the nature of the brain, everything gets absorbed.

But then again, that&#039;s a parent responsability and for the most part goverments should stay the hell out of it ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the OP for the most part I do sometimes have an issue with people who talk about the whole concept of &#8216;video games and their impact on young people&#8217; as if it was a totaly impossible correlation. Who give arguments against the idea with pop-psychology such as &#8216;I played video games and I&#8217;m not violent&#8217; as if that proves the issue.</p>
<p>The fact is that everything experienced, seen, heard and felt has an impact on a developing personality. Every action taken and the observed consequences gets hard coded into the brain to define a &#8216;moral&#8217; framework. It&#8217;s not a question of wether violent games have an impact but rather how much of an impact.</p>
<p>The key point for most of us is that we get a good range of input &#8230; sure we may see and experience violence but we also see and experience the range of positive influences ie love, compassion etc and our brains have a great ability to balance the equations.</p>
<p>The problem is, of course, that we are all different. What might be an acceptable level of negative input for one person might be in another the limit that would push them more towards becoming a violent personality.</p>
<p>Politicians are probably the worst offenders obviously as they look to single out one &#8220;cause&#8221; to blame for political reasons. Yes, it&#8217;s a moronic thing to do but that doesnt negate the issue. Take a 12 year old kid playing video games 4 hours a day &#8230; of course it has an influence, it would be impossible for it not to have an influence. That&#8217;s just the nature of the brain, everything gets absorbed.</p>
<p>But then again, that&#8217;s a parent responsability and for the most part goverments should stay the hell out of it ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rustkill: It&#039;s a spoon!</description>
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		<title>By: Cataclysmyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cataclysmyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is a generalisation, but knife crime and muggings tend to be more linked to teens who spend alot of time hanging around with groups of the same on the streets and who do not really play computer games.

I feel a person who is not capable of attacking an innocent person with a knife will not suddenly be swayed into doing so by playing a violent game; the same way if your morals say its ok to attack innocent people, you will not suddenly change your morals by playing Hello Kitty.

*I&#039;m gonna go out tonight wiv ma mates, drink some cider and punch some kid up*
**Realises little sister has left Hello Kitty on and runs about in the world**
*Aww, such a cute little kitten, why did I have those evil thoughts earlier? How could I possibly want to hurt an innocent person?*

-Disclaimer- I understand my post has various pigeonholes and generalisations. I only use these as a simpler way of expressing my point.-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a generalisation, but knife crime and muggings tend to be more linked to teens who spend alot of time hanging around with groups of the same on the streets and who do not really play computer games.</p>
<p>I feel a person who is not capable of attacking an innocent person with a knife will not suddenly be swayed into doing so by playing a violent game; the same way if your morals say its ok to attack innocent people, you will not suddenly change your morals by playing Hello Kitty.</p>
<p>*I&#8217;m gonna go out tonight wiv ma mates, drink some cider and punch some kid up*<br />
**Realises little sister has left Hello Kitty on and runs about in the world**<br />
*Aww, such a cute little kitten, why did I have those evil thoughts earlier? How could I possibly want to hurt an innocent person?*</p>
<p>-Disclaimer- I understand my post has various pigeonholes and generalisations. I only use these as a simpler way of expressing my point.-</p>
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		<title>By: aldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not games make me feel violent, it&#039;s idiots like this masquerading as public servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not games make me feel violent, it&#8217;s idiots like this masquerading as public servants.</p>
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		<title>By: Crane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[calvinvoice] I&#039;d like to shoot the idiots who think this stuff affects me! [/calvinvoice]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[calvinvoice] I&#8217;d like to shoot the idiots who think this stuff affects me! [/calvinvoice]</p>
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		<title>By: Larington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theres a really good book written on this issue called Grand Theft Childhood which reveals just how poor some of the research done into the issue is.

For example, one study involved a &#039;test for aggresion&#039;, first the seemingly obvious flaw - Theres more than one kind of aggression, like the competitive kind seen in sports. Secondly, the test was to get two groups of people together and separate them with a wall, get the first group to play a &#039;video game&#039; (Hate that term) for 15 minutes and the second group don&#039;t. Then give both groups a blow horn and get them to compete against eachother to make the other person jump and apparently the game players holding down the blow horn for 0. something of a second suggests gamers are more aggresive.
Flaw 2 the first 15 minutes of playing a game can be rather frustrating if you&#039;re having to learn a new game and this is going to skew the results somewhat.

Also: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/16/new-study-teens-video-games-amp-civics-mostly-good-news</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres a really good book written on this issue called Grand Theft Childhood which reveals just how poor some of the research done into the issue is.</p>
<p>For example, one study involved a &#8216;test for aggresion&#8217;, first the seemingly obvious flaw &#8211; Theres more than one kind of aggression, like the competitive kind seen in sports. Secondly, the test was to get two groups of people together and separate them with a wall, get the first group to play a &#8216;video game&#8217; (Hate that term) for 15 minutes and the second group don&#8217;t. Then give both groups a blow horn and get them to compete against eachother to make the other person jump and apparently the game players holding down the blow horn for 0. something of a second suggests gamers are more aggresive.<br />
Flaw 2 the first 15 minutes of playing a game can be rather frustrating if you&#8217;re having to learn a new game and this is going to skew the results somewhat.</p>
<p>Also: <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/16/new-study-teens-video-games-amp-civics-mostly-good-news" rel="nofollow">http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/16/new-study-teens-video-games-amp-civics-mostly-good-news</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Sombrero Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sombrero Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone who writes for and posts on this  website probably played violent video games and watched violent movies all day long when they were kids (i certainly did) and they turned out fine, I think it&#039;s apparent there are far more effective social factors and it is certainly not just one thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone who writes for and posts on this  website probably played violent video games and watched violent movies all day long when they were kids (i certainly did) and they turned out fine, I think it&#8217;s apparent there are far more effective social factors and it is certainly not just one thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Abraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For as long as we blame the videogaming bogeyman, we’re avoiding what are far more likely to be real issues. Issues more difficult to regulate than age restrictions on boxes. Issues that would involve hard work and money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hear, hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For as long as we blame the videogaming bogeyman, we’re avoiding what are far more likely to be real issues. Issues more difficult to regulate than age restrictions on boxes. Issues that would involve hard work and money.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hear, hear!</p>
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