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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that statistics suggest far more people under 16 are sexually abused than under 16 year olds harming each other.

But there&#039;s almost zero coverage of this, yes stranger danger is covered ad nauseum but the fact is that sexual child abuse happens in the home and is mostly perpetrated by relatives and people well known to the victim.

But no one talks about this

Perhaps the causes of sexual abuse and child on child violence is linked. Perhaps the cause is the very nature of our society and the frankly warped power relationships between children and adults. 

Foe instance children are powerless how do they consciously or subconsciously deal with this. It&#039;s like the American dream some people work hard some people become drug lords or thieves. Some children furiously want top grow up, some children hate themselves and hate those around them, or adopt criminality to give them power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that statistics suggest far more people under 16 are sexually abused than under 16 year olds harming each other.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s almost zero coverage of this, yes stranger danger is covered ad nauseum but the fact is that sexual child abuse happens in the home and is mostly perpetrated by relatives and people well known to the victim.</p>
<p>But no one talks about this</p>
<p>Perhaps the causes of sexual abuse and child on child violence is linked. Perhaps the cause is the very nature of our society and the frankly warped power relationships between children and adults. </p>
<p>Foe instance children are powerless how do they consciously or subconsciously deal with this. It&#8217;s like the American dream some people work hard some people become drug lords or thieves. Some children furiously want top grow up, some children hate themselves and hate those around them, or adopt criminality to give them power.
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		<title>By: Bascule42</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDIT: when she says he&#039;s 8 yrs old, it&#039;s not 8 inches, it just looks that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDIT: when she says he&#8217;s 8 yrs old, it&#8217;s not 8 inches, it just looks that way.
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		<title>By: Bascule42</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bascule42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 12:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of selling games to under age kids is one that really grinds my gears. I was in Game a few years ago. Chrimbo time, the years GTA San Andreas came out. I was in a queue behind a couple of mums who were buying some games for the kids Christmas box, and I noticed GTA:SA in both of these mothers hands. I heard a snippet of conversation about &quot;...when he gets in from school&quot;. Oh dear I thought. So I politely asked, &quot;Hope you don&#039;t mind me asking, how old are the kids you are buying that game, (GTA) for&quot;? One said, proudly, yes proudly, he&#039;s 8&quot;. The other didn&#039;t say anything. Again politely pointed out that the game is rated 18 for a reason, and tried to give a few examples of why it has the 18 rating. Including a milder version of the desert scene with Kent Paul &amp; Macca, (you know, &quot;I was wanking over a fat birds tits when this twat woke me up&quot;). &quot;Oh no&quot;, she says, &quot;he&#039;s played worse&quot;. Worse? Not much I could do, so I gave her one of those loks that are reserved for when a parent gives a kid a damn good slap in ASDA, (it probably happens more often in Netto, but I wouldn&#039;t know).

This illustrates the point that all this postering and lazy conjecture by politicians and supposed professionals, (re snorting WoW is the same as injecting heroin), tend to miss one key point. Lazy can&#039;t be arsed, shove little Timmy in his room with an XBox, get him what he want or he&#039;ll cwy, spend no time with the kids, too much hassle, attitude that a greeat many parents seem to have.

So this to the parent buying GTA for an 8 year old. Next Chrimbob, get him 20 B&amp;H, a bottle of Thunderbirds, £50 spending credit at your local casino, and any film with Justine Jolie in it. ROOOOAAAAR! Oh and a great big f*** off knife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of selling games to under age kids is one that really grinds my gears. I was in Game a few years ago. Chrimbo time, the years GTA San Andreas came out. I was in a queue behind a couple of mums who were buying some games for the kids Christmas box, and I noticed GTA:SA in both of these mothers hands. I heard a snippet of conversation about &#8220;&#8230;when he gets in from school&#8221;. Oh dear I thought. So I politely asked, &#8220;Hope you don&#8217;t mind me asking, how old are the kids you are buying that game, (GTA) for&#8221;? One said, proudly, yes proudly, he&#8217;s 8&#8243;. The other didn&#8217;t say anything. Again politely pointed out that the game is rated 18 for a reason, and tried to give a few examples of why it has the 18 rating. Including a milder version of the desert scene with Kent Paul &amp; Macca, (you know, &#8220;I was wanking over a fat birds tits when this twat woke me up&#8221;). &#8220;Oh no&#8221;, she says, &#8220;he&#8217;s played worse&#8221;. Worse? Not much I could do, so I gave her one of those loks that are reserved for when a parent gives a kid a damn good slap in ASDA, (it probably happens more often in Netto, but I wouldn&#8217;t know).</p>
<p>This illustrates the point that all this postering and lazy conjecture by politicians and supposed professionals, (re snorting WoW is the same as injecting heroin), tend to miss one key point. Lazy can&#8217;t be arsed, shove little Timmy in his room with an XBox, get him what he want or he&#8217;ll cwy, spend no time with the kids, too much hassle, attitude that a greeat many parents seem to have.</p>
<p>So this to the parent buying GTA for an 8 year old. Next Chrimbob, get him 20 B&amp;H, a bottle of Thunderbirds, £50 spending credit at your local casino, and any film with Justine Jolie in it. ROOOOAAAAR! Oh and a great big f*** off knife.
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		<title>By: Gorgeras</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Details about this &#039;study&#039; seem sketchy. Did it look for shops that do not check the age of every customer or just the ones that &#039;look young&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Details about this &#8216;study&#8217; seem sketchy. Did it look for shops that do not check the age of every customer or just the ones that &#8216;look young&#8217;?
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		<title>By: groovychainsaw</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly ,you could conclude the opposite of what they are clearly seeking with this study. 1. Knives are dangerous. People know that, so are strict about selling them to kids. 2. Games are less dangerous, people are less strict about selling them to kids. Likewise, I bet you age ratings are enforced more strictly on... explosives, dangerous chemicals etcetc. and not enforced on toys very strictly (age 8+ on difficult jigsaw puzzles etc. &#039;Oh no! you bought it for a 7-year-old! He&#039;ll be stabbing people tomorrow!&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly ,you could conclude the opposite of what they are clearly seeking with this study. 1. Knives are dangerous. People know that, so are strict about selling them to kids. 2. Games are less dangerous, people are less strict about selling them to kids. Likewise, I bet you age ratings are enforced more strictly on&#8230; explosives, dangerous chemicals etcetc. and not enforced on toys very strictly (age 8+ on difficult jigsaw puzzles etc. &#8216;Oh no! you bought it for a 7-year-old! He&#8217;ll be stabbing people tomorrow!&#8217;)
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		<title>By: Optimaximal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m surprised Plymouth had 9 games shops, let alone more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Would it surprise you to learny that &#039;game shop&#039; defined every single retail outlet that just happens to peddle computer games, including (but not limited too) supermarkets, stationers and mobile phone shops offering Wii/Xbox/PS3 bundles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m surprised Plymouth had 9 games shops, let alone more.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would it surprise you to learny that &#8216;game shop&#8217; defined every single retail outlet that just happens to peddle computer games, including (but not limited too) supermarkets, stationers and mobile phone shops offering Wii/Xbox/PS3 bundles.
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex-Plymouthian I&#039;m not surprised the council is seeking something, anything to distract from its greviously poor decision-making. 

This was a few years ago, but things haven&#039;t really improved: 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm

Cllr. Leaves is just a  ridiculous rent-a-gob and the Herald share the owners and attitude of the Daily Mail, hence the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex-Plymouthian I&#8217;m not surprised the council is seeking something, anything to distract from its greviously poor decision-making. </p>
<p>This was a few years ago, but things haven&#8217;t really improved:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/3329863.stm</a></p>
<p>Cllr. Leaves is just a  ridiculous rent-a-gob and the Herald share the owners and attitude of the Daily Mail, hence the above.
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		<title>By: Myros</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the OP for the most part I do sometimes have an issue with people who talk about the whole concept of &#039;video games and their impact on young people&#039; as if it was a totaly impossible correlation. Who give arguments against the idea with pop-psychology such as &#039;I played video games and I&#039;m not violent&#039; as if that proves the issue.

The fact is that everything experienced, seen, heard and felt has an impact on a developing personality. Every action taken and the observed consequences gets hard coded into the brain to define a &#039;moral&#039; framework. It&#039;s not a question of wether violent games have an impact but rather how much of an impact.

The key point for most of us is that we get a good range of input ... sure we may see and experience violence but we also see and experience the range of positive influences ie love, compassion etc and our brains have a great ability to balance the equations.

The problem is, of course, that we are all different. What might be an acceptable level of negative input for one person might be in another the limit that would push them more towards becoming a violent personality.

Politicians are probably the worst offenders obviously as they look to single out one &quot;cause&quot; to blame for political reasons. Yes, it&#039;s a moronic thing to do but that doesnt negate the issue. Take a 12 year old kid playing video games 4 hours a day ... of course it has an influence, it would be impossible for it not to have an influence. That&#039;s just the nature of the brain, everything gets absorbed.

But then again, that&#039;s a parent responsability and for the most part goverments should stay the hell out of it ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the OP for the most part I do sometimes have an issue with people who talk about the whole concept of &#8216;video games and their impact on young people&#8217; as if it was a totaly impossible correlation. Who give arguments against the idea with pop-psychology such as &#8216;I played video games and I&#8217;m not violent&#8217; as if that proves the issue.</p>
<p>The fact is that everything experienced, seen, heard and felt has an impact on a developing personality. Every action taken and the observed consequences gets hard coded into the brain to define a &#8216;moral&#8217; framework. It&#8217;s not a question of wether violent games have an impact but rather how much of an impact.</p>
<p>The key point for most of us is that we get a good range of input &#8230; sure we may see and experience violence but we also see and experience the range of positive influences ie love, compassion etc and our brains have a great ability to balance the equations.</p>
<p>The problem is, of course, that we are all different. What might be an acceptable level of negative input for one person might be in another the limit that would push them more towards becoming a violent personality.</p>
<p>Politicians are probably the worst offenders obviously as they look to single out one &#8220;cause&#8221; to blame for political reasons. Yes, it&#8217;s a moronic thing to do but that doesnt negate the issue. Take a 12 year old kid playing video games 4 hours a day &#8230; of course it has an influence, it would be impossible for it not to have an influence. That&#8217;s just the nature of the brain, everything gets absorbed.</p>
<p>But then again, that&#8217;s a parent responsability and for the most part goverments should stay the hell out of it ;)
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		<description>I know this is a generalisation, but knife crime and muggings tend to be more linked to teens who spend alot of time hanging around with groups of the same on the streets and who do not really play computer games.

I feel a person who is not capable of attacking an innocent person with a knife will not suddenly be swayed into doing so by playing a violent game; the same way if your morals say its ok to attack innocent people, you will not suddenly change your morals by playing Hello Kitty.

*I&#039;m gonna go out tonight wiv ma mates, drink some cider and punch some kid up*
**Realises little sister has left Hello Kitty on and runs about in the world**
*Aww, such a cute little kitten, why did I have those evil thoughts earlier? How could I possibly want to hurt an innocent person?*

-Disclaimer- I understand my post has various pigeonholes and generalisations. I only use these as a simpler way of expressing my point.-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is a generalisation, but knife crime and muggings tend to be more linked to teens who spend alot of time hanging around with groups of the same on the streets and who do not really play computer games.</p>
<p>I feel a person who is not capable of attacking an innocent person with a knife will not suddenly be swayed into doing so by playing a violent game; the same way if your morals say its ok to attack innocent people, you will not suddenly change your morals by playing Hello Kitty.</p>
<p>*I&#8217;m gonna go out tonight wiv ma mates, drink some cider and punch some kid up*<br />
**Realises little sister has left Hello Kitty on and runs about in the world**<br />
*Aww, such a cute little kitten, why did I have those evil thoughts earlier? How could I possibly want to hurt an innocent person?*</p>
<p>-Disclaimer- I understand my post has various pigeonholes and generalisations. I only use these as a simpler way of expressing my point.-
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		<description>It&#039;s not games make me feel violent, it&#039;s idiots like this masquerading as public servants.</description>
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		<description>[calvinvoice] I&#039;d like to shoot the idiots who think this stuff affects me! [/calvinvoice]</description>
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