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	<title>Comments on: Fallout 3: Ultra-violence, Comedy</title>
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		<title>By: Yhancik</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-94397</link>
		<dc:creator>Yhancik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan &amp; Jim:

Yes! It made me look just yesterday for gun mods for Oblivion, and there are a couple.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/Image.php?id=16888&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Stop right here, criminal scARGH&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/Image.php?id=58556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and also : chick with gun&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &amp; Jim:</p>
<p>Yes! It made me look just yesterday for gun mods for Oblivion, and there are a couple.</p>
<p><a href="http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/Image.php?id=16888" rel="nofollow"><i>&#8220;Stop right here, criminal scARGH&#8221;</i></a></p>
<p><a href="http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/Image.php?id=58556" rel="nofollow">and also : chick with gun</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Rossignol</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-94392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Rossignol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan: it does sound interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan: it does sound interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-2/#comment-94386</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who thinks  the whole &quot;Oblivion With Guns&quot; description sounds awesome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who thinks  the whole &#8220;Oblivion With Guns&#8221; description sounds awesome?</p>
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		<title>By: look out! Ninjas!</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-93087</link>
		<dc:creator>look out! Ninjas!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, let it be finally confirmed that in these movies the Bloody Mess perk IS on and the player IS cheating with high stats for the purpose of showing the gory animations. It was said as such in one of the IGN videos.
Also, the best bits about the original Fallouts were the story, and the open, reactive world. Lets face it. The combat was clunky, the interface was bad, and it never felt finished. Fallout 2 obviously wasn&#039;t finished. But it is impossible to show what made Fallout great in a short advertising video. You can&#039;t show how your choices in game affect the story later on. If they tried it would look lame and forced, and you&#039;d bash it for failing at that like the true fans that you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, let it be finally confirmed that in these movies the Bloody Mess perk IS on and the player IS cheating with high stats for the purpose of showing the gory animations. It was said as such in one of the IGN videos.<br />
Also, the best bits about the original Fallouts were the story, and the open, reactive world. Lets face it. The combat was clunky, the interface was bad, and it never felt finished. Fallout 2 obviously wasn&#8217;t finished. But it is impossible to show what made Fallout great in a short advertising video. You can&#8217;t show how your choices in game affect the story later on. If they tried it would look lame and forced, and you&#8217;d bash it for failing at that like the true fans that you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Weylund</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-93005</link>
		<dc:creator>Weylund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you arguing?  That people can&#039;t base expectations of a game on previous games made with roughly the same engine, by the same company?

Or that old RPGs were boring on the whole?

Or is it that games made in the model of previous games on the same engine by the same company would look boring in 40-second snippets, regardless of their actual entertainment value, so we should discount both what we see and our own experience and &quot;see for ourselves&quot; only when we have $50 in hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you arguing?  That people can&#8217;t base expectations of a game on previous games made with roughly the same engine, by the same company?</p>
<p>Or that old RPGs were boring on the whole?</p>
<p>Or is it that games made in the model of previous games on the same engine by the same company would look boring in 40-second snippets, regardless of their actual entertainment value, so we should discount both what we see and our own experience and &#8220;see for ourselves&#8221; only when we have $50 in hand?</p>
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		<title>By: TwistyMcNoggins</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-92985</link>
		<dc:creator>TwistyMcNoggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gameplay in this game I haven&#039;t played sucks!

Look children, criticise the game for being shit after you&#039;ve played it. If you were a real Fallout fan then you&#039;d know a 40 second snippet of 1 or 2 would look like the most boring game ever. They&#039;re not because it&#039;s the 20+ hours you sink into them that make the game, not what button you press to shoot someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gameplay in this game I haven&#8217;t played sucks!</p>
<p>Look children, criticise the game for being shit after you&#8217;ve played it. If you were a real Fallout fan then you&#8217;d know a 40 second snippet of 1 or 2 would look like the most boring game ever. They&#8217;re not because it&#8217;s the 20+ hours you sink into them that make the game, not what button you press to shoot someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralphomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralphomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m gonna say this first: I don&#039;t get first-person RPGs.  I don&#039;t really like the twitch gameplay of most first person games, unless I just want some relatively brainless fun (Team Fortress 2), it&#039;s Marathon, or it&#039;s not all about shooting people (like Portal).  So seeing this automatically makes my heart sink - why can&#039;t we have 3rd person, or something isometric or soemthing?  Like an update of what the original Fallouts looked like.  (an aside - Oblivion makes me feel like I&#039;m playing Heretic.  FPS with fantasy weaponry.)

But.  All of the videos I&#039;ve seen of Fallout 3 are obvious action shots to go in trailers or vignettes like the one at the top of this page.  I have seen no examples as yet of the proper &#039;role-playing&#039; aspects of the game - the clever writing that made Fallout 1 &amp; 2 so excellent.  This may mean that there are none, but it could be that they haven&#039;t been shown because, hey, it&#039;s a Fallout game, that&#039;s what everyone expects, right?  

However, if there actually is proof that Bethseda have ruined Fallout for everyone by turning it into another mindless zombie-blasting FPS, that I will gladly back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m gonna say this first: I don&#8217;t get first-person RPGs.  I don&#8217;t really like the twitch gameplay of most first person games, unless I just want some relatively brainless fun (Team Fortress 2), it&#8217;s Marathon, or it&#8217;s not all about shooting people (like Portal).  So seeing this automatically makes my heart sink &#8211; why can&#8217;t we have 3rd person, or something isometric or soemthing?  Like an update of what the original Fallouts looked like.  (an aside &#8211; Oblivion makes me feel like I&#8217;m playing Heretic.  FPS with fantasy weaponry.)</p>
<p>But.  All of the videos I&#8217;ve seen of Fallout 3 are obvious action shots to go in trailers or vignettes like the one at the top of this page.  I have seen no examples as yet of the proper &#8216;role-playing&#8217; aspects of the game &#8211; the clever writing that made Fallout 1 &amp; 2 so excellent.  This may mean that there are none, but it could be that they haven&#8217;t been shown because, hey, it&#8217;s a Fallout game, that&#8217;s what everyone expects, right?  </p>
<p>However, if there actually is proof that Bethseda have ruined Fallout for everyone by turning it into another mindless zombie-blasting FPS, that I will gladly back down.</p>
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		<title>By: LSTAR</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-92815</link>
		<dc:creator>LSTAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t the VATS system breaking up gameplay will be much of an issue. Mostly because of how terrible the standard FPS gameplay looks.

Or is it just me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t the VATS system breaking up gameplay will be much of an issue. Mostly because of how terrible the standard FPS gameplay looks.</p>
<p>Or is it just me?</p>
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		<title>By: Diogo Ribeiro</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-92750</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogo Ribeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, Esha. I&#039;m feeling dirty now, and I fear it may &lt;em&gt;never come off&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, Esha. I&#8217;m feeling dirty now, and I fear it may <em>never come off</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Esha</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-92737</link>
		<dc:creator>Esha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, that set off my sarcasmometer, but still... seeing &quot;Ultima IX was the best Ultima ever&quot; gives me &lt;i&gt;shivers&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, that set off my sarcasmometer, but still&#8230; seeing &#8220;Ultima IX was the best Ultima ever&#8221; gives me <i>shivers</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogo Ribeiro</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/23/fallout-3-ultra-violence-comedy/comment-page-1/#comment-92729</link>
		<dc:creator>Diogo Ribeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X-Com Interceptor was definitely improving previous chapters&#039; gameplay. Ultima IX was the best Ultima ever, of course. And Warhammer 40,000: FireWarrior was vastly superior to the likes of Chaos Gate.

We should all be clamoring for a Fallout game like this. Pointing out none of its gameplay is hopelessly outdated, or that is sidesteps virtually every single technical and gameplay achievement of the last decade is just hyperbole and pretension, honestly.

I, for one, welcome our new Bethesdian overlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X-Com Interceptor was definitely improving previous chapters&#8217; gameplay. Ultima IX was the best Ultima ever, of course. And Warhammer 40,000: FireWarrior was vastly superior to the likes of Chaos Gate.</p>
<p>We should all be clamoring for a Fallout game like this. Pointing out none of its gameplay is hopelessly outdated, or that is sidesteps virtually every single technical and gameplay achievement of the last decade is just hyperbole and pretension, honestly.</p>
<p>I, for one, welcome our new Bethesdian overlords.</p>
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		<title>By: Evangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yutt, &quot;improving the gameplay&quot;? Yeah, sure, if Fallout 1 and 2 were FPS&#039;s. Cluebat, they weren&#039;t. They were made to emulat the PNP experience in a CRPG. Fallout 3 is being made into an FPS because it&#039;s the least work for Bethesda.

Note the differences: Fallout 1&amp;2, emulate PNP gameplay. Fallout 3, be an FPS with RPG elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yutt, &#8220;improving the gameplay&#8221;? Yeah, sure, if Fallout 1 and 2 were FPS&#8217;s. Cluebat, they weren&#8217;t. They were made to emulat the PNP experience in a CRPG. Fallout 3 is being made into an FPS because it&#8217;s the least work for Bethesda.</p>
<p>Note the differences: Fallout 1&amp;2, emulate PNP gameplay. Fallout 3, be an FPS with RPG elements.</p>
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