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		<title>By: Nerd Rage</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/free-fallout-felicitations/comment-page-1/#comment-191071</link>
		<dc:creator>Nerd Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;phil says:

Free or not I’ll pass, this is clearly just Balder’s Gate with guns.&quot;

As I assume this was a tongue in cheek &quot;Oblivion with guns&quot; reference - I had a good chuckle that ended with an annoyingly loud snort.  People are staring at me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;phil says:</p>
<p>Free or not I’ll pass, this is clearly just Balder’s Gate with guns.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I assume this was a tongue in cheek &#8220;Oblivion with guns&#8221; reference &#8211; I had a good chuckle that ended with an annoyingly loud snort.  People are staring at me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: no</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/free-fallout-felicitations/comment-page-1/#comment-93916</link>
		<dc:creator>no</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it bad news for GOG? I bought all three Fallout games from them for $18 total. Including manuals, reference cards, videos, artwork, wallpaper, sound tracks and the actual games. And no DRM. And I can even play them in a Windows XP VMWare Fusion instance withim my OSX desktop. And I was able to copy them over to my laptop and install them there, too. Without paying an extra dime.

I didn&#039;t have to install any game tapp crap. Sign up for anything. Jump through any hoops. Nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it bad news for GOG? I bought all three Fallout games from them for $18 total. Including manuals, reference cards, videos, artwork, wallpaper, sound tracks and the actual games. And no DRM. And I can even play them in a Windows XP VMWare Fusion instance withim my OSX desktop. And I was able to copy them over to my laptop and install them there, too. Without paying an extra dime.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t have to install any game tapp crap. Sign up for anything. Jump through any hoops. Nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/free-fallout-felicitations/comment-page-1/#comment-93653</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought it last month for a couple of quid off Amazon. The old ways were worse.
...Well, I should qualify that. Ye olde games are too slow-paced for a twitchy, borderline-ADHD youth such as myself. Fighting a lot of rats and reading a lot of &#039;you missed&#039; just frustrates me.
Also, look at that screenshot! People say modern games are too brown. EDIT: Damn, beaten to it by the alt-text. I should really have read that first. Damn you, RPS! Daaaaamn yoooou!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought it last month for a couple of quid off Amazon. The old ways were worse.<br />
&#8230;Well, I should qualify that. Ye olde games are too slow-paced for a twitchy, borderline-ADHD youth such as myself. Fighting a lot of rats and reading a lot of &#8216;you missed&#8217; just frustrates me.<br />
Also, look at that screenshot! People say modern games are too brown. EDIT: Damn, beaten to it by the alt-text. I should really have read that first. Damn you, RPS! Daaaaamn yoooou!</p>
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		<title>By: James G</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/free-fallout-felicitations/comment-page-1/#comment-93648</link>
		<dc:creator>James G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I headed all the way back to shady sands, but I seem to recall that there is also one hidden away on a locker or some-such. Possibly it was on a lower floor though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I headed all the way back to shady sands, but I seem to recall that there is also one hidden away on a locker or some-such. Possibly it was on a lower floor though.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobsy</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/free-fallout-felicitations/comment-page-1/#comment-93618</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, while we&#039;re here... where the hell do I find a rope? Don&#039;t tell me I have to go all the way back to that Shady Sands place or whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, while we&#8217;re here&#8230; where the hell do I find a rope? Don&#8217;t tell me I have to go all the way back to that Shady Sands place or whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Jensterle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Jensterle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, despite the whole set of issues regarding Gametap, I was quite excited by the idea of playing Fallout again, until I discovered that their player software refuses to work on my machine.  3d video acceleration appears to be off Gametap? I think not.  

When does GOG.com go live? Will have to wait until then for my fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, despite the whole set of issues regarding Gametap, I was quite excited by the idea of playing Fallout again, until I discovered that their player software refuses to work on my machine.  3d video acceleration appears to be off Gametap? I think not.  </p>
<p>When does GOG.com go live? Will have to wait until then for my fix.</p>
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		<title>By: ape</title>
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		<dc:creator>ape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone who has not played Fallout this is a must. I already own a copy and have a &quot;pirated&quot; back-up and somehow I still feel like downloading it... I hope this is not technically an &quot;I already own Fallout&quot; post or else I shall prepare for beheading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone who has not played Fallout this is a must. I already own a copy and have a &#8220;pirated&#8221; back-up and somehow I still feel like downloading it&#8230; I hope this is not technically an &#8220;I already own Fallout&#8221; post or else I shall prepare for beheading.</p>
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		<title>By: Esha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Weylund

In regards to GoG, I peruse it frequently because I dig the forums (they actually talk about mods on their forums, which gives them an immediate Awesome Badge, because it&#039;s fuelling mod communities for old games), and I have noticed that sometimes I simply can&#039;t get in there.

I do think though that whenever this happens, it&#039;s because they&#039;re doing maintenance on the site and rolling out new features.  It&#039;s still in beta currently, so that&#039;s probably the most likely explanation for the occasional outage.  The point of this though was simply to say: don&#039;t worry, you&#039;re not the only one.

As for Fallout and GameTap, I didn&#039;t want to say too much because I&#039;m trying not to get myself painted as the local frothing anti-DRM tool in the way that Leonard Nimoy tried to avoid being painted as Spock, but like Spock, I think I&#039;ve failed because I wanted to back you up on that.

GameTap does indeed keep things on a virtual hard disk, which is encrypted, the docs of nosey people are out there, if you want to have a peek, and it&#039;s a tough thing to crack.  Oh and don&#039;t even dream of trying to poke around in there when you have a game running.  I tried that twice and both times I experienced an unrecoverable lock-up, that was &lt;i&gt;very fun&lt;/i&gt;.

Apparently, their software is that paranoid that it completely stalls the computer if the user starts poking around in the GameTap directory.  GameTap crashing/closing, I could understand.  But an unrecoverable lock-up?  That&#039;s just going a tad too far.

And it&#039;s not like I don&#039;t ready myself for lock-ups either, I&#039;ve played plenty of unstable games, and more often than not I&#039;ve wrestled my computer back to usefulness without a reboot, even when I&#039;ve been told that it would be utterly impossible and hopeless to do so (it&#039;s a gift).  The GameTap lock though... it haunts me.  That was one time I simply had to cut the power.

I suppose that some people will take me wrong with going on about how GameTap does that, but the thing is is that I actually really do like GameTap, I dig them and I think what they&#039;re trying to do is great (bringing games to more people on an entirely reasonable budget, allowing those who aren&#039;t made of money to enjoy a large selection of games).  But I just realise they&#039;re not for me.

I like to poke around, and I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; to mod my games because I&#039;ve pretty much had a 100 per cent success rate when it comes to mods making a game an eminently more enjoyable and polished experience (Media Molecule had something to say about that recently, too, and it was nice being verified by someone smarter than myself).  So I like having mods in games, but you&#039;re right and you&#039;re not being stupid, it&#039;s just not really possible to mod GameTap games.  If you try to fiddle, you get your wrists slapped.

I&#039;ve never had any troubles at all with GameTap if I didn&#039;t try to fiddle though, so everything I did I brought upon myself.

One thing I wish GameTap would do is actually work with their community to figure out which are good mods for games that everyone would like and then roll out two versions of a game, vanilla and modded.  That would actually make their free version very worthwhile, but with the mods out there now and how much they enhance a given game, running a game vanilla is just silly.

That&#039;s why I too recommend paying 3 squids for the GoG.com Fallout if one has it lying around and cares about seeing what mods can do with a game.  If one doesn&#039;t give a damn about such things though... GameTap, definitely GameTap.

(Oh, and for those wondering.  I had a US friend who let me borrow a sub-account, GameTap does no checking whatsoever for the locations of IPs.  So once I had that I was able to check out their full software catalogue, watch their media, and even got to play Uru for free for a bit, too.  I know, I&#039;m a lucky bastard.  If you have US friends with GameTap, &lt;i&gt;pester them&lt;/i&gt;, it&#039;s worth a look.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Weylund</p>
<p>In regards to GoG, I peruse it frequently because I dig the forums (they actually talk about mods on their forums, which gives them an immediate Awesome Badge, because it&#8217;s fuelling mod communities for old games), and I have noticed that sometimes I simply can&#8217;t get in there.</p>
<p>I do think though that whenever this happens, it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re doing maintenance on the site and rolling out new features.  It&#8217;s still in beta currently, so that&#8217;s probably the most likely explanation for the occasional outage.  The point of this though was simply to say: don&#8217;t worry, you&#8217;re not the only one.</p>
<p>As for Fallout and GameTap, I didn&#8217;t want to say too much because I&#8217;m trying not to get myself painted as the local frothing anti-DRM tool in the way that Leonard Nimoy tried to avoid being painted as Spock, but like Spock, I think I&#8217;ve failed because I wanted to back you up on that.</p>
<p>GameTap does indeed keep things on a virtual hard disk, which is encrypted, the docs of nosey people are out there, if you want to have a peek, and it&#8217;s a tough thing to crack.  Oh and don&#8217;t even dream of trying to poke around in there when you have a game running.  I tried that twice and both times I experienced an unrecoverable lock-up, that was <i>very fun</i>.</p>
<p>Apparently, their software is that paranoid that it completely stalls the computer if the user starts poking around in the GameTap directory.  GameTap crashing/closing, I could understand.  But an unrecoverable lock-up?  That&#8217;s just going a tad too far.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not like I don&#8217;t ready myself for lock-ups either, I&#8217;ve played plenty of unstable games, and more often than not I&#8217;ve wrestled my computer back to usefulness without a reboot, even when I&#8217;ve been told that it would be utterly impossible and hopeless to do so (it&#8217;s a gift).  The GameTap lock though&#8230; it haunts me.  That was one time I simply had to cut the power.</p>
<p>I suppose that some people will take me wrong with going on about how GameTap does that, but the thing is is that I actually really do like GameTap, I dig them and I think what they&#8217;re trying to do is great (bringing games to more people on an entirely reasonable budget, allowing those who aren&#8217;t made of money to enjoy a large selection of games).  But I just realise they&#8217;re not for me.</p>
<p>I like to poke around, and I <i>love</i> to mod my games because I&#8217;ve pretty much had a 100 per cent success rate when it comes to mods making a game an eminently more enjoyable and polished experience (Media Molecule had something to say about that recently, too, and it was nice being verified by someone smarter than myself).  So I like having mods in games, but you&#8217;re right and you&#8217;re not being stupid, it&#8217;s just not really possible to mod GameTap games.  If you try to fiddle, you get your wrists slapped.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had any troubles at all with GameTap if I didn&#8217;t try to fiddle though, so everything I did I brought upon myself.</p>
<p>One thing I wish GameTap would do is actually work with their community to figure out which are good mods for games that everyone would like and then roll out two versions of a game, vanilla and modded.  That would actually make their free version very worthwhile, but with the mods out there now and how much they enhance a given game, running a game vanilla is just silly.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I too recommend paying 3 squids for the GoG.com Fallout if one has it lying around and cares about seeing what mods can do with a game.  If one doesn&#8217;t give a damn about such things though&#8230; GameTap, definitely GameTap.</p>
<p>(Oh, and for those wondering.  I had a US friend who let me borrow a sub-account, GameTap does no checking whatsoever for the locations of IPs.  So once I had that I was able to check out their full software catalogue, watch their media, and even got to play Uru for free for a bit, too.  I know, I&#8217;m a lucky bastard.  If you have US friends with GameTap, <i>pester them</i>, it&#8217;s worth a look.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bobsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$5.99 is what, about £3.20 or something? Hell, I&#039;ve paid that much for a pint before (London, natch).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$5.99 is what, about £3.20 or something? Hell, I&#8217;ve paid that much for a pint before (London, natch).</p>
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		<title>By: gnome</title>
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		<dc:creator>gnome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd that you mention this Jamie, for -and I&#039;m not in the UK- I do get to tend this exact message: 

&quot;We apologize, but the GameTap service currently is available only in the United States and Canada. The GameTap service will be expanding into additional countries, but no release dates are available at this time&quot;

Perhaps you&#039;ve found a way to bypass the IP-based country check? I&#039;d be rather interested in such a thing as I&#039;d like to download the equally free Deus Ex...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd that you mention this Jamie, for -and I&#8217;m not in the UK- I do get to tend this exact message: </p>
<p>&#8220;We apologize, but the GameTap service currently is available only in the United States and Canada. The GameTap service will be expanding into additional countries, but no release dates are available at this time&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ve found a way to bypass the IP-based country check? I&#8217;d be rather interested in such a thing as I&#8217;d like to download the equally free Deus Ex&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Optimaximal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Optimaximal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In related free news, &lt;a href=&#039;http://thesuffering.midway.com/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Suffering&lt;/a&gt; is now &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.gamershell.com/news_60914.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;free for PC&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In related free news, <a href='http://thesuffering.midway.com/' rel="nofollow">The Suffering</a> is now <a href='http://www.gamershell.com/news_60914.html' rel="nofollow">free for PC</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve definately got a gametap ID and last time I went outside, I was pretty sure I was still in the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve definately got a gametap ID and last time I went outside, I was pretty sure I was still in the UK.</p>
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