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	<title>Comments on: Lara Croft: Please Stay Above Water</title>
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		<title>By: Milladearoday</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-2/#comment-203000</link>
		<dc:creator>Milladearoday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I just became part of this forum and I love the contribution of this community.

I would like to make a contribution of my own by posting a site I created informing users about computer repair. &lt;a href=&quot;http://computerrepairsupport.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Online Computer Services&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Also, this is worth taking a look at - &lt;a href=&quot;http://computerrepairsupport.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Online Computer Support&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

There is lots of information regarding computer repair techniques and what one should do when prompted with certain instances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I just became part of this forum and I love the contribution of this community.</p>
<p>I would like to make a contribution of my own by posting a site I created informing users about computer repair. <a href="http://computerrepairsupport.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><b>Online Computer Services</b></a></p>
<p>Also, this is worth taking a look at &#8211; <a href="http://computerrepairsupport.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><b>Online Computer Support</b></a></p>
<p>There is lots of information regarding computer repair techniques and what one should do when prompted with certain instances.</p>
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		<title>By: Tims</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-2/#comment-94153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tims</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The underwater bits didn&#039;t look too bad. It seemed like a big chunk of that video was from a cut scene, like the dodging jelly fish bit? The shooting the sharks bit looked like possibly awkward game play though. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s just a novel way to enter an underground &quot;tomb&quot; with climby bits..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underwater bits didn&#8217;t look too bad. It seemed like a big chunk of that video was from a cut scene, like the dodging jelly fish bit? The shooting the sharks bit looked like possibly awkward game play though. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s just a novel way to enter an underground &#8220;tomb&#8221; with climby bits..</p>
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		<title>By: Dracko</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-2/#comment-93969</link>
		<dc:creator>Dracko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 23:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cute that killing human beings is more morally justifiable in the eyes of some than shooting animals.

I guess it&#039;s because there&#039;s more of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute that killing human beings is more morally justifiable in the eyes of some than shooting animals.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s because there&#8217;s more of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharpless</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-2/#comment-93923</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharpless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thirith
Honestly, I find your argument fairly unreasonable. Quite frankly, gamers &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to pick and choose to which characters they feel attachment, or else it would render most games completely unplayable. If you&#039;re going to feel sad about killing a tiger in a game, well you&#039;d better damn well feel bad about killing a random thug in Johnny Q. Beat-em-up. After all, that thug probably has a family. Maybe he&#039;s not evil at all. Maybe he&#039;s just working for a mob boss because he&#039;s desperate and needs to feed his family but -- oh noes! -- you just wasted him, along with a few dozen of his friends. (Unless, of course, you&#039;d have no qualms about killing a person as opposed to a tiger, in which case you probably have some other issues to deal with...)  :)


In the end, these &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; just pixels. At the same time though, they can be meaningful, as most of us should know. I think the person judging this for themselves simply has to be well grounded and balanced. You can&#039;t feel sorry for everything you kill in-game but, just as in real life, sometimes you&#039;ve got to break a few eggs. If you&#039;re in the jungle and a hungry or defensive tiger comes at you, you&#039;d better damn well pull the trigger, or else your innards are going to be decorating the foliage.

If it were a GTA situation where you could walk through a zoo and slaughter the caged animals at will, that would be another thing entirely. But it clearly isn&#039;t, here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thirith<br />
Honestly, I find your argument fairly unreasonable. Quite frankly, gamers <i>have</i> to pick and choose to which characters they feel attachment, or else it would render most games completely unplayable. If you&#8217;re going to feel sad about killing a tiger in a game, well you&#8217;d better damn well feel bad about killing a random thug in Johnny Q. Beat-em-up. After all, that thug probably has a family. Maybe he&#8217;s not evil at all. Maybe he&#8217;s just working for a mob boss because he&#8217;s desperate and needs to feed his family but &#8212; oh noes! &#8212; you just wasted him, along with a few dozen of his friends. (Unless, of course, you&#8217;d have no qualms about killing a person as opposed to a tiger, in which case you probably have some other issues to deal with&#8230;)  :)</p>
<p>In the end, these <i>are</i> just pixels. At the same time though, they can be meaningful, as most of us should know. I think the person judging this for themselves simply has to be well grounded and balanced. You can&#8217;t feel sorry for everything you kill in-game but, just as in real life, sometimes you&#8217;ve got to break a few eggs. If you&#8217;re in the jungle and a hungry or defensive tiger comes at you, you&#8217;d better damn well pull the trigger, or else your innards are going to be decorating the foliage.</p>
<p>If it were a GTA situation where you could walk through a zoo and slaughter the caged animals at will, that would be another thing entirely. But it clearly isn&#8217;t, here.</p>
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		<title>By: Esha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to cover a bunch of replies one at a time here, but really... I don&#039;t have the heart for it.  What I&#039;d love to do is get a sociolopolitical major to point out how much leading and weasel words were used here, it would&#039;ve made the &lt;i&gt;Grand Old Party&lt;/i&gt; proud (Nixon himself couldn&#039;t have done better).  I&#039;d also love to see a psychologist pick apart some of this and offer an opinion, to see how many need to be stuffed in a straight jacket.  And the cheap shots that even went as low as grammar naziism?  Well... I don&#039;t even want to elaborate on that.

Frankly, I&#039;m just ... I don&#039;t know.  Really disappointed?  What I saw here was pathetic, a fine example of the lowest common denominator, not a fine example of humanity as a whole.  It&#039;s just the &lt;i&gt;sentiment&lt;/i&gt; that was shown here.  And that&#039;s a shame, because until now... I had such a high opinion of the RPS community.

But I suppose people like the examples found here are everywhere on the Internet.

(Edit: Then again, on reflection... perhaps it was because I posted in a thread relating to Lara Croft.  Hindsight is 20/20, and I suppose that in such a thread I couldn&#039;t really have asked for anything better.  I&#039;ll have to be careful which games I comment on in future, and stick to the high-brow ones alone - where possible.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to cover a bunch of replies one at a time here, but really&#8230; I don&#8217;t have the heart for it.  What I&#8217;d love to do is get a sociolopolitical major to point out how much leading and weasel words were used here, it would&#8217;ve made the <i>Grand Old Party</i> proud (Nixon himself couldn&#8217;t have done better).  I&#8217;d also love to see a psychologist pick apart some of this and offer an opinion, to see how many need to be stuffed in a straight jacket.  And the cheap shots that even went as low as grammar naziism?  Well&#8230; I don&#8217;t even want to elaborate on that.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m just &#8230; I don&#8217;t know.  Really disappointed?  What I saw here was pathetic, a fine example of the lowest common denominator, not a fine example of humanity as a whole.  It&#8217;s just the <i>sentiment</i> that was shown here.  And that&#8217;s a shame, because until now&#8230; I had such a high opinion of the RPS community.</p>
<p>But I suppose people like the examples found here are everywhere on the Internet.</p>
<p>(Edit: Then again, on reflection&#8230; perhaps it was because I posted in a thread relating to Lara Croft.  Hindsight is 20/20, and I suppose that in such a thread I couldn&#8217;t really have asked for anything better.  I&#8217;ll have to be careful which games I comment on in future, and stick to the high-brow ones alone &#8211; where possible.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sucram</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-2/#comment-93670</link>
		<dc:creator>Sucram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I was attacked by a tiger with a box of Frosties.</description>
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		<title>By: BooleanBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooleanBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;But when you’re facing off against a realistic Tiger with a gun, it just feels so wrong, even if it is only a game.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If folks are being attacked by tigers &lt;i&gt;with guns&lt;/i&gt; I think we&#039;d better just give up all pretense that we&#039;re the dominant species right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;But when you’re facing off against a realistic Tiger with a gun, it just feels so wrong, even if it is only a game.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If folks are being attacked by tigers <i>with guns</i> I think we&#8217;d better just give up all pretense that we&#8217;re the dominant species right now.</p>
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		<title>By: AndrewC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndrewC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her being an amoral, cold sort of a character is part of the charm for me. It could just be for the rather shallow reason that I think the sex would be kinky.

And Bond is certainly a bastard, and lots of people like him. Indiana Jones is no boyscout either, if you look at him closely. He thinks the artifacts belong in a nice white, American musuem.

Either way, it is certainly a deliberate design decision to make her that way, so I doubt there will be less of it in the new game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her being an amoral, cold sort of a character is part of the charm for me. It could just be for the rather shallow reason that I think the sex would be kinky.</p>
<p>And Bond is certainly a bastard, and lots of people like him. Indiana Jones is no boyscout either, if you look at him closely. He thinks the artifacts belong in a nice white, American musuem.</p>
<p>Either way, it is certainly a deliberate design decision to make her that way, so I doubt there will be less of it in the new game.</p>
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		<title>By: Malagate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malagate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found these Tomb Raider games never really clicked with me, it&#039;s just the whole premise of who she is and what she&#039;s doing that turns me off to the games.

Nevermind all the rare and never seen before animals that she could have studied and introduced to the world, all these archaeological places she explores and seemingly destroys to get to the shiny loot would offer huge insights into ancient cultures, but is it ever mentioned that she cares about that? All she ever does is go in, kill the animals, take the shiny stuff and then keeps it in her big mansion out of sight of the world. Makes for a nice platformer/action game yes, but as such a selfish magpie of a character I always get irked and I feel a bit Indiana Jones at times (This belongs in a museum! etc).




(Interesting aside: not one word was mentioned about the shark she killed in the above trailers, pretty much all of them are endangered as well, yet not one bleeding heart about the sharks? &quot;I only care about the furry endangered species, the rest can go to hell the scaly bastards!&quot; bloody furries).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found these Tomb Raider games never really clicked with me, it&#8217;s just the whole premise of who she is and what she&#8217;s doing that turns me off to the games.</p>
<p>Nevermind all the rare and never seen before animals that she could have studied and introduced to the world, all these archaeological places she explores and seemingly destroys to get to the shiny loot would offer huge insights into ancient cultures, but is it ever mentioned that she cares about that? All she ever does is go in, kill the animals, take the shiny stuff and then keeps it in her big mansion out of sight of the world. Makes for a nice platformer/action game yes, but as such a selfish magpie of a character I always get irked and I feel a bit Indiana Jones at times (This belongs in a museum! etc).</p>
<p>(Interesting aside: not one word was mentioned about the shark she killed in the above trailers, pretty much all of them are endangered as well, yet not one bleeding heart about the sharks? &#8220;I only care about the furry endangered species, the rest can go to hell the scaly bastards!&#8221; bloody furries).</p>
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		<title>By: Mman</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/09/25/lara-croft-please-stay-above-water/comment-page-1/#comment-93599</link>
		<dc:creator>Mman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 10:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;wth is wrong with you.&quot;

We&#039;re not trolls?

&quot;How ‘worse’ is Anniversary compared to Legend? Still parkour I presume? Maybe the ‘worse’ could be ‘better’ for me…&quot;

As a remake, Anniversary dumps most of the plot and action sequences and focuses on the level design, if it&#039;s that aspect you care about (like me) then you&#039;ll probably find it much better, but if your issue is more with the story and stuff you might find it worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;wth is wrong with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not trolls?</p>
<p>&#8220;How ‘worse’ is Anniversary compared to Legend? Still parkour I presume? Maybe the ‘worse’ could be ‘better’ for me…&#8221;</p>
<p>As a remake, Anniversary dumps most of the plot and action sequences and focuses on the level design, if it&#8217;s that aspect you care about (like me) then you&#8217;ll probably find it much better, but if your issue is more with the story and stuff you might find it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alarik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alarik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Legend is liked so much. Haven&#039;t played Anniversary because I felt Legend was rather subpar.

How &#039;worse&#039; is Anniversary compared to Legend? Still parkour I presume? Maybe the &#039;worse&#039; could  be &#039;better&#039; for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Legend is liked so much. Haven&#8217;t played Anniversary because I felt Legend was rather subpar.</p>
<p>How &#8216;worse&#8217; is Anniversary compared to Legend? Still parkour I presume? Maybe the &#8216;worse&#8217; could  be &#8216;better&#8217; for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bobsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@The New Guy

I did so. So what? Wasn&#039;t so bad, the Japan bit notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The New Guy</p>
<p>I did so. So what? Wasn&#8217;t so bad, the Japan bit notwithstanding.</p>
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