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	<title>Comments on: Left 4 Dead Pre-Ordering Begins</title>
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		<title>By: SuperNashwan</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-3/#comment-104034</link>
		<dc:creator>SuperNashwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would I pre-order directly from the publisher when I could wait and also line the pocket of a completely redundant intermediary retailer, which somehow magically saves me money despite the added cost of producing and shipping a physical product?  Silly Valve.  See also: why am I paying VAT on a product paid for in USD, bought from an American company under American contract law through an American website, with the value falling under the VAT free threshold for imports?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would I pre-order directly from the publisher when I could wait and also line the pocket of a completely redundant intermediary retailer, which somehow magically saves me money despite the added cost of producing and shipping a physical product?  Silly Valve.  See also: why am I paying VAT on a product paid for in USD, bought from an American company under American contract law through an American website, with the value falling under the VAT free threshold for imports?</p>
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		<title>By: RotBot</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-3/#comment-102425</link>
		<dc:creator>RotBot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon had the pre-order for $36.99 since September.  They&#039;ve since upped it to match Steam.  Kind of regret thinking Steam would have the same price and beta bonus and not pre-ordering it at Amazon, even with its 2-day average delay between release and at my door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon had the pre-order for $36.99 since September.  They&#8217;ve since upped it to match Steam.  Kind of regret thinking Steam would have the same price and beta bonus and not pre-ordering it at Amazon, even with its 2-day average delay between release and at my door.</p>
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		<title>By: Fumarole</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-3/#comment-102402</link>
		<dc:creator>Fumarole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Optimaximal, that&#039;s a great find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Optimaximal, that&#8217;s a great find.</p>
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		<title>By: chipp</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102378</link>
		<dc:creator>chipp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, 50U$S is a little too much. But... the hype machine... and my weakness for spending all of my money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, 50U$S is a little too much. But&#8230; the hype machine&#8230; and my weakness for spending all of my money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cabbs</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102351</link>
		<dc:creator>Cabbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first valve games were HL and HL2. Every time I think im paying too much for a valve game, I quickly find that it happens to be one of the most solid games to exist in its part of the fps genre.

Pretty much everyone, respected journos included, who have been within ten feet of this game tell us that Valve has this thing totally sorted.  So ill frown at the overall price, pay the extra £5 for the convenience of doing it all on steam, and wait for this game.

And when it arrives, im sure ill stop caring how much it cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first valve games were HL and HL2. Every time I think im paying too much for a valve game, I quickly find that it happens to be one of the most solid games to exist in its part of the fps genre.</p>
<p>Pretty much everyone, respected journos included, who have been within ten feet of this game tell us that Valve has this thing totally sorted.  So ill frown at the overall price, pay the extra £5 for the convenience of doing it all on steam, and wait for this game.</p>
<p>And when it arrives, im sure ill stop caring how much it cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Devildog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devildog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valve can do no wrong in my book. I&#039;m sure this will be video game gold. Or platinum. Or oil. Whatever it is these days that&#039;s worth anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valve can do no wrong in my book. I&#8217;m sure this will be video game gold. Or platinum. Or oil. Whatever it is these days that&#8217;s worth anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Edgar the Peaceful</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102266</link>
		<dc:creator>Edgar the Peaceful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had over 200 hundred hours pleasure from TF2. I&#039;m happy to pay £30 to Valve for L4D primarily because I anticipate it being another game that I spend another 200 hours on. Also, the free-for-all climate that the internet has created in Music, Films, and Gaming -  you can get whatever you want for free if you have no ethical qualms about it - is bringing about a system where people try everything on offer for nothing but then give their money to the producer who&#039;s product you like best in order that they survive and keep making the good stuff. I&#039;ll pay &#039;over the odds&#039; to Valve whilst trying all manner of other games for nothing. If I like the product then I want to support the producer. 

As a musician I have been on the receiving end of internet piracy  - both albums for the band I was in were torrented straight away despite us being a smallish cult band. I don&#039;t resent the lost royalties as the system is outdated. I welcome the &#039;Radiohead&#039; model of &#039;give us what you think it&#039;s worth&#039;. Plus, in music at least,  someone with a torrent of your album is more likely to come to a gig. I know this doesn&#039;t translate to the games world, but it does mean that a pirate who likes your work will, perhaps, buy the next product or  feel guilty and cough-up for the current game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had over 200 hundred hours pleasure from TF2. I&#8217;m happy to pay £30 to Valve for L4D primarily because I anticipate it being another game that I spend another 200 hours on. Also, the free-for-all climate that the internet has created in Music, Films, and Gaming &#8211;  you can get whatever you want for free if you have no ethical qualms about it &#8211; is bringing about a system where people try everything on offer for nothing but then give their money to the producer who&#8217;s product you like best in order that they survive and keep making the good stuff. I&#8217;ll pay &#8216;over the odds&#8217; to Valve whilst trying all manner of other games for nothing. If I like the product then I want to support the producer. </p>
<p>As a musician I have been on the receiving end of internet piracy  &#8211; both albums for the band I was in were torrented straight away despite us being a smallish cult band. I don&#8217;t resent the lost royalties as the system is outdated. I welcome the &#8216;Radiohead&#8217; model of &#8216;give us what you think it&#8217;s worth&#8217;. Plus, in music at least,  someone with a torrent of your album is more likely to come to a gig. I know this doesn&#8217;t translate to the games world, but it does mean that a pirate who likes your work will, perhaps, buy the next product or  feel guilty and cough-up for the current game.</p>
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		<title>By: Radiant</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102220</link>
		<dc:creator>Radiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol a fool and his money are easily parted guv :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol a fool and his money are easily parted guv :)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102218</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But maybe it does have something to do with Valve set expectations of the price? Expectations they set with the value they placed on the Orange Box games.&quot;

There&#039;s a lesson to be learned here for Valve; never give a sucker an even break.

P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But maybe it does have something to do with Valve set expectations of the price? Expectations they set with the value they placed on the Orange Box games.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lesson to be learned here for Valve; never give a sucker an even break.</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: Radiant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ergates I personally don&#039;t have a Valve axe to grind; I enjoy most of their games.
But maybe it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; have something to do with Valve set expectations of the price? Expectations they set with the value they placed on the Orange Box games.
If you buy TF2 on it&#039;s own it is only $20 so why is another mp only game $50? [bot play aside.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ergates I personally don&#8217;t have a Valve axe to grind; I enjoy most of their games.<br />
But maybe it <i>does</i> have something to do with Valve set expectations of the price? Expectations they set with the value they placed on the Orange Box games.<br />
If you buy TF2 on it&#8217;s own it is only $20 so why is another mp only game $50? [bot play aside.]</p>
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		<title>By: Malagate</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/15/left-4-dead-pre-ordering-begins/comment-page-2/#comment-102214</link>
		<dc:creator>Malagate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel the price is fine, for me it was still cheaper than many other new game releases I&#039;ve seen, especially awesome as Left 4 Dead has potentially limitless replayability. If the Director A.I. lives up to its promises, then I can envisage hundreds of hours of entertainment.

In the past two weeks alone I&#039;ve managed about 50 hours of Zombie Panic! Source, as Left 4 Dead sounds even better than that then it&#039;s definately on my &quot;must have&quot; list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel the price is fine, for me it was still cheaper than many other new game releases I&#8217;ve seen, especially awesome as Left 4 Dead has potentially limitless replayability. If the Director A.I. lives up to its promises, then I can envisage hundreds of hours of entertainment.</p>
<p>In the past two weeks alone I&#8217;ve managed about 50 hours of Zombie Panic! Source, as Left 4 Dead sounds even better than that then it&#8217;s definately on my &#8220;must have&#8221; list.</p>
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		<title>By: Ergates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ergates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit! the above was in response to:
&quot;&lt;i&gt;It’s perfectly understandable why people are up in arms at the price tag.
This game is essentially multiplayer only.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit! the above was in response to:<br />
&#8220;<i>It’s perfectly understandable why people are up in arms at the price tag.<br />
This game is essentially multiplayer only.</i>&#8220;</p>
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