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	<title>Comments on: Left 4 Dead Demo 11th Nov (6th For Pre-Orders)</title>
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		<title>By: Heliocentric</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/28/left-4-dead-demo-11th-nov-6th-for-pre-orders/comment-page-2/#comment-114298</link>
		<dc:creator>Heliocentric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that to the thousands playing the battlefield 2 demo everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to the thousands playing the battlefield 2 demo everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/28/left-4-dead-demo-11th-nov-6th-for-pre-orders/comment-page-2/#comment-114290</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yet another greedy video game corporation.. EA.. Blizzard.. and now valve.. demos are supposed to be free... they exist so people know if they want it before they buy it... when you charge money for a demo.. it completely destroys the purpose of having a demo.. it forces you to buy to try.. which isnt a demo at all.... has anyone heard of zombie panic... brain bread? these games have existed for many years.. and this is just a huge rip off.. except they really amp&#039;d it up.. both graphically.. and the speed of the zombies.. they are doign what they did with CS and DOD.. they are marketing off other peoples ideas and mods.. and making way too much money.. 50 bux.. no thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yet another greedy video game corporation.. EA.. Blizzard.. and now valve.. demos are supposed to be free&#8230; they exist so people know if they want it before they buy it&#8230; when you charge money for a demo.. it completely destroys the purpose of having a demo.. it forces you to buy to try.. which isnt a demo at all&#8230;. has anyone heard of zombie panic&#8230; brain bread? these games have existed for many years.. and this is just a huge rip off.. except they really amp&#8217;d it up.. both graphically.. and the speed of the zombies.. they are doign what they did with CS and DOD.. they are marketing off other peoples ideas and mods.. and making way too much money.. 50 bux.. no thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: rik</title>
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		<dc:creator>rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weres the demo nearly 6pm and still cant get it what goes on has any one else managed to get it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weres the demo nearly 6pm and still cant get it what goes on has any one else managed to get it</p>
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		<title>By: Dizet Sma</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/28/left-4-dead-demo-11th-nov-6th-for-pre-orders/comment-page-2/#comment-111133</link>
		<dc:creator>Dizet Sma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume the 11th is just dawning in the Steam part of &#039;Merika. I am hoping to see this available after work today, just to see if it can live up to the cubic-assload of hype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume the 11th is just dawning in the Steam part of &#8216;Merika. I am hoping to see this available after work today, just to see if it can live up to the cubic-assload of hype.</p>
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		<title>By: to AjaxPliskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>to AjaxPliskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seconded. when will it go live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seconded. when will it go live?</p>
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		<title>By: AjaxPliskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>AjaxPliskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the 11th November....  WHERE IS THE DEMO ALREADY!?!?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the 11th November&#8230;.  WHERE IS THE DEMO ALREADY!?!?!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: JoeShmoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeShmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bad model.  This isn&#039;t a demo it&#039;s a preview...

Valve has their heads too far up their own tails to notice those who don&#039;t like their wasteland-of-IQ community.  Unlockables and achievements completely exacerbated the problem of these losers with more time on their hands than a security guard at a used Hyundai dealership in Texas.  As such, I&#039;m staying well away from this until it&#039;s cheap enough that I can gift it and play with people I actually LIKE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bad model.  This isn&#8217;t a demo it&#8217;s a preview&#8230;</p>
<p>Valve has their heads too far up their own tails to notice those who don&#8217;t like their wasteland-of-IQ community.  Unlockables and achievements completely exacerbated the problem of these losers with more time on their hands than a security guard at a used Hyundai dealership in Texas.  As such, I&#8217;m staying well away from this until it&#8217;s cheap enough that I can gift it and play with people I actually LIKE.</p>
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		<title>By: FireStorm^^</title>
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		<dc:creator>FireStorm^^</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is the day for the pre-purchasers demo release (including me TEEHEE). But someone really needs to realize that this is just a DEMO, and you&#039;re not gonna be anymore satisfied with just one or two levels of a whole game, not L4D, when you&#039;ve been waiting for (just about a year?). So relax, the game isn&#039;t out yet, and I personally think that the demo will make the wait worse.. :P Can&#039;t wait for the full game.. ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is the day for the pre-purchasers demo release (including me TEEHEE). But someone really needs to realize that this is just a DEMO, and you&#8217;re not gonna be anymore satisfied with just one or two levels of a whole game, not L4D, when you&#8217;ve been waiting for (just about a year?). So relax, the game isn&#8217;t out yet, and I personally think that the demo will make the wait worse.. :P Can&#8217;t wait for the full game.. ^^</p>
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		<title>By: qrter</title>
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		<dc:creator>qrter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Even with tax mentioned after this post, he makes a point. Why on earth would one pay [i]more[/i] (or even equal) for a game with no box, manual, disc, bonuses, etc? On top of that, I then have to download the game, which can often take some time.

I’m not really getting any benefit if Steam stuff costs more.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To be fair, running a bunch of servers continually to service a pretty big community must also cost quite a bit.

Downloading a game is a benefit to me - it&#039;s not as if I can&#039;t do other stuff on my PC while I&#039;m downloading. I can even play another game, which is nice. You don&#039;t have to sit there staring at the progress bar.

Concerning time downloading, it beats going down to a store, which also takes time and I&#039;m not even going to start on interacting with the &quot;staff&quot; in a games shop.. Also, when it&#039;s finished downloading, it&#039;s installed, including all patches (if available), it&#039;s done, you can start playing.

For me the real handiness of buying games on Steam is that I can install my games on any PC with an internet connection. For example, a couple of months ago I was housesitting for a week at my brother&#039;s house - I download and install the Steam client, I login to my account, pick a game, I have to wait a bit for a game to download and then I start playing. And when &lt;i&gt;Steamcloud&lt;/i&gt; gets up and running I&#039;ll be even happier.

I always wonder how much of the price you pay for a boxed copy actually goes into the boxedness - we all know the stories of CDs, how little they actually cost to manufacture (including cases, booklets, etc.). I&#039;m guessing it&#039;ll be a very small part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even with tax mentioned after this post, he makes a point. Why on earth would one pay [i]more[/i] (or even equal) for a game with no box, manual, disc, bonuses, etc? On top of that, I then have to download the game, which can often take some time.</p>
<p>I’m not really getting any benefit if Steam stuff costs more.</p></blockquote>
<p>To be fair, running a bunch of servers continually to service a pretty big community must also cost quite a bit.</p>
<p>Downloading a game is a benefit to me &#8211; it&#8217;s not as if I can&#8217;t do other stuff on my PC while I&#8217;m downloading. I can even play another game, which is nice. You don&#8217;t have to sit there staring at the progress bar.</p>
<p>Concerning time downloading, it beats going down to a store, which also takes time and I&#8217;m not even going to start on interacting with the &#8220;staff&#8221; in a games shop.. Also, when it&#8217;s finished downloading, it&#8217;s installed, including all patches (if available), it&#8217;s done, you can start playing.</p>
<p>For me the real handiness of buying games on Steam is that I can install my games on any PC with an internet connection. For example, a couple of months ago I was housesitting for a week at my brother&#8217;s house &#8211; I download and install the Steam client, I login to my account, pick a game, I have to wait a bit for a game to download and then I start playing. And when <i>Steamcloud</i> gets up and running I&#8217;ll be even happier.</p>
<p>I always wonder how much of the price you pay for a boxed copy actually goes into the boxedness &#8211; we all know the stories of CDs, how little they actually cost to manufacture (including cases, booklets, etc.). I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;ll be a very small part.</p>
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		<title>By: frymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>frymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for me steam is worth _more_ than a retail box, as I&#039;m so useless at keeping the damn things organised.  but there are limits ;)

third-party publishers need to remember to check their prices every now and then, for example :(  And since the value of the pound against the dollar has just nosedived, every game on there could do with being reassessed.

Or, as has been mentioned before, introduce more currencies.  Hell, make it an optional feature for each company on a region-by-region basis whether the price appears in dollars or in local currency.  Arguably, if they&#039;re wanting to charge more in different areas, it&#039;d be _better_ for them as comparison wouldn&#039;t be so easy ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me steam is worth _more_ than a retail box, as I&#8217;m so useless at keeping the damn things organised.  but there are limits ;)</p>
<p>third-party publishers need to remember to check their prices every now and then, for example :(  And since the value of the pound against the dollar has just nosedived, every game on there could do with being reassessed.</p>
<p>Or, as has been mentioned before, introduce more currencies.  Hell, make it an optional feature for each company on a region-by-region basis whether the price appears in dollars or in local currency.  Arguably, if they&#8217;re wanting to charge more in different areas, it&#8217;d be _better_ for them as comparison wouldn&#8217;t be so easy ;)</p>
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		<title>By: M_the_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>M_the_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sub
It won&#039;t start preloading yet.

When it gets closer to the release date, it should show up as an entry in your Games section in Steam.

Also, as I couldn&#039;t find it mentioned here.  Pre-purchasers will get access to part of the game on the 6th November, everyone else who wants to try it, 11th.  Ends on the 18th.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/1945/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sub<br />
It won&#8217;t start preloading yet.</p>
<p>When it gets closer to the release date, it should show up as an entry in your Games section in Steam.</p>
<p>Also, as I couldn&#8217;t find it mentioned here.  Pre-purchasers will get access to part of the game on the 6th November, everyone else who wants to try it, 11th.  Ends on the 18th.<br />
<a href="http://store.steampowered.com/news/1945/" rel="nofollow">http://store.steampowered.com/news/1945/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well atleast it&#039;s better than the usual price conversion i.e. $50 =&gt; £50.</description>
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