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	<title>Comments on: Giant Eve Expansion For Summer &#8216;09</title>
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		<title>By: Shipmonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-132050</link>
		<dc:creator>Shipmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that ideally, while T3 ships will be able to be focused to some great degree, I believe CCP is finally throwing a bone to us Generalists who like to push a ship to do many things you might need it to do out in the wilds. I do exploration work, and having the option to tweak a deepspace extended deployment explo ship into being is tantilizing indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that ideally, while T3 ships will be able to be focused to some great degree, I believe CCP is finally throwing a bone to us Generalists who like to push a ship to do many things you might need it to do out in the wilds. I do exploration work, and having the option to tweak a deepspace extended deployment explo ship into being is tantilizing indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexx</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-127954</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I&#039;ve heard/read, T3 isn&#039;t going to be better than T2 in terms of stats, but it will be specialized (eg more resistant to overheating).  It won&#039;t automatically obsolete T2 in the way that T2 did with T1.
Personally, I can&#039;t wait for it!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard/read, T3 isn&#8217;t going to be better than T2 in terms of stats, but it will be specialized (eg more resistant to overheating).  It won&#8217;t automatically obsolete T2 in the way that T2 did with T1.<br />
Personally, I can&#8217;t wait for it!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: ry</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-127815</link>
		<dc:creator>ry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim&#039;s lack of grinding has more to do with his refusal to do any mining than anything else!

Keeping the players entertained with new toys is necessary from a commercial point of view, but has the unfortunate side effect of making the game less accessible.

Although the introduction of t3 &lt;i&gt;sounds&lt;/i&gt; good, unless they are very careful about the capabilities of all the new kit, it just represents artificially extending the game as surely as raising the level cap from 60 to 7,000,000 or whatever the heck blizzard have implemented now.

certainly a t1 ship can be very effective, but all thing sbeing equal a t2 ship will stomp it every time. what hope does a t1 cruiser pilot have against a tech three ship?

telling people to blob up to beat the t3 jockeys doesn&#039;t work because the large power blocs are the ones rich enough to outfit their entire fleet with the latest spacebling, and your 100 man fleet is still going to suffer at the hands of a battle-hardened fleet with superior equipment half your size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8217;s lack of grinding has more to do with his refusal to do any mining than anything else!</p>
<p>Keeping the players entertained with new toys is necessary from a commercial point of view, but has the unfortunate side effect of making the game less accessible.</p>
<p>Although the introduction of t3 <i>sounds</i> good, unless they are very careful about the capabilities of all the new kit, it just represents artificially extending the game as surely as raising the level cap from 60 to 7,000,000 or whatever the heck blizzard have implemented now.</p>
<p>certainly a t1 ship can be very effective, but all thing sbeing equal a t2 ship will stomp it every time. what hope does a t1 cruiser pilot have against a tech three ship?</p>
<p>telling people to blob up to beat the t3 jockeys doesn&#8217;t work because the large power blocs are the ones rich enough to outfit their entire fleet with the latest spacebling, and your 100 man fleet is still going to suffer at the hands of a battle-hardened fleet with superior equipment half your size.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110802</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its the least grindy game ever tbh, unless you fark over your sec status and have to fix it ;)

or need a jumpclone at a npc station ;)

dam that sec grind , having access to delve to do it in helps like... (or any good 0,0 reagon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its the least grindy game ever tbh, unless you fark over your sec status and have to fix it ;)</p>
<p>or need a jumpclone at a npc station ;)</p>
<p>dam that sec grind , having access to delve to do it in helps like&#8230; (or any good 0,0 reagon).</p>
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		<title>By: kedaha</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110579</link>
		<dc:creator>kedaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh mandrill, the people who go to fanfest will be the hardest of the hardcore. Obviously they&#039;ll cheer at T3 with their 100mil SP characters and wallets with 20billion isl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh mandrill, the people who go to fanfest will be the hardest of the hardcore. Obviously they&#8217;ll cheer at T3 with their 100mil SP characters and wallets with 20billion isl.</p>
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		<title>By: Cabbs</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110568</link>
		<dc:creator>Cabbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people seem to be assuming that T3 will be just-like-T2-but-better.  T2 has a few mechanics that t1 stuff does not have (ie t2 ammo), so T3 will be suitably different.

I have no links, but im pretty sure that numerous discussions on a theoretical new tech level put it as having some heavily specialised features.  Not just the next set of gear.

Repeat all of the above for the ship customisation bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people seem to be assuming that T3 will be just-like-T2-but-better.  T2 has a few mechanics that t1 stuff does not have (ie t2 ammo), so T3 will be suitably different.</p>
<p>I have no links, but im pretty sure that numerous discussions on a theoretical new tech level put it as having some heavily specialised features.  Not just the next set of gear.</p>
<p>Repeat all of the above for the ship customisation bit.</p>
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		<title>By: gorgonzola blue</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110557</link>
		<dc:creator>gorgonzola blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many misconceptions here about EVE, I have to say something about that.

- there is no &quot;endgame&quot; in EVE. You can join a number of 0.0 alliances right away through their executor corps. Even a low-skilled newb is a good addition flying a tackling frigate for them.

- you don&#039;t need to grind money through mindless &#039;missions&#039;. Many many corps are stinking rich, in the realm of trillions of ISK with daily incomes of billions. They give you free battleships with rigs installed, for exchange against your loyalty. Hell I even know a corp that will take noobs right after the trial and they get access to any kind of ship for free.

- I&#039;m myself one of the many EVE billionaires who make ISK through small time trading. There&#039;s a lot of ISK in the game and it&#039;s easy to divert some into your pocket. Thats right, it&#039;s a bit more involved than AFK mining asteroids but manipulating the market is a great game in itself and has always been part of the space opera games. I don&#039;t think anyone has done this part better than EVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many misconceptions here about EVE, I have to say something about that.</p>
<p>- there is no &#8220;endgame&#8221; in EVE. You can join a number of 0.0 alliances right away through their executor corps. Even a low-skilled newb is a good addition flying a tackling frigate for them.</p>
<p>- you don&#8217;t need to grind money through mindless &#8216;missions&#8217;. Many many corps are stinking rich, in the realm of trillions of ISK with daily incomes of billions. They give you free battleships with rigs installed, for exchange against your loyalty. Hell I even know a corp that will take noobs right after the trial and they get access to any kind of ship for free.</p>
<p>- I&#8217;m myself one of the many EVE billionaires who make ISK through small time trading. There&#8217;s a lot of ISK in the game and it&#8217;s easy to divert some into your pocket. Thats right, it&#8217;s a bit more involved than AFK mining asteroids but manipulating the market is a great game in itself and has always been part of the space opera games. I don&#8217;t think anyone has done this part better than EVE.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryect</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110544</link>
		<dc:creator>Cryect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;The news of the wormhole exploration stuff strikes me as another major step in the direction of solo or co-op play within the Eve universe, which I suspect is commercially driven.&lt;/cite&gt;

Wormholes aren&#039;t instanced so it should be end up being for more than solo/coop.

&lt;cite&gt;No, Wormholes and the systems they lead to are not instances.&lt;/cite&gt;
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=919090&amp;page=1#21</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The news of the wormhole exploration stuff strikes me as another major step in the direction of solo or co-op play within the Eve universe, which I suspect is commercially driven.</cite></p>
<p>Wormholes aren&#8217;t instanced so it should be end up being for more than solo/coop.</p>
<p><cite>No, Wormholes and the systems they lead to are not instances.</cite><br />
<a href="http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=919090&amp;page=1#21" rel="nofollow">http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&amp;threadID=919090&amp;page=1#21</a></p>
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		<title>By: mandrill</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110530</link>
		<dc:creator>mandrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the naysayers who belittle what tech 3 means I say this:
You did not hear the crowd when Torfi started showing off the modularity of T3 ships. First there were gasps, then a huge eruption of applause and cheering. I don&#039;t think they saw it as a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the naysayers who belittle what tech 3 means I say this:<br />
You did not hear the crowd when Torfi started showing off the modularity of T3 ships. First there were gasps, then a huge eruption of applause and cheering. I don&#8217;t think they saw it as a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: windlab</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/08/giant-eve-expansion-for-summer-09/comment-page-1/#comment-110527</link>
		<dc:creator>windlab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alexander
If you live in a British city, you&#039;ll be recovering from a devastating artillery strike as November the fifth is Guy Fawkes night, when we celebrate the burning of a catholic arsonist with bonfires and fireworks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawke%27s_Night

Trust me, it&#039;s difficult to play an online FPS with blasts going off outside your window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alexander<br />
If you live in a British city, you&#8217;ll be recovering from a devastating artillery strike as November the fifth is Guy Fawkes night, when we celebrate the burning of a catholic arsonist with bonfires and fireworks.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawke%27s_Night" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawke%27s_Night</a></p>
<p>Trust me, it&#8217;s difficult to play an online FPS with blasts going off outside your window.</p>
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		<title>By: np</title>
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		<dc:creator>np</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woot new shiny things to play with.

I do think it will be a long time before players like me get their mucky hands on them, due to rarity, hyperinflation (over pricing) and skill requirements.

Change is always good in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woot new shiny things to play with.</p>
<p>I do think it will be a long time before players like me get their mucky hands on them, due to rarity, hyperinflation (over pricing) and skill requirements.</p>
<p>Change is always good in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: phuzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>phuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried, Eve, and the main thing that put me off (the near vertical learning curve is just a challenge) was that to get very far you need to team up with other people in a corp.  Now I hate people so this isn&#039;t for me, but the idea of a place for single pilots makes me happy.
Eve is a wonderful place to be, even when it&#039;s not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried, Eve, and the main thing that put me off (the near vertical learning curve is just a challenge) was that to get very far you need to team up with other people in a corp.  Now I hate people so this isn&#8217;t for me, but the idea of a place for single pilots makes me happy.<br />
Eve is a wonderful place to be, even when it&#8217;s not&#8230;</p>
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