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		<title>By: Bhazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to malkav11 

Who says they are?</description>
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		<title>By: malkav11</title>
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		<dc:creator>malkav11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who says they&#039;re not buying games?</description>
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		<title>By: PHeMoX</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-117473</link>
		<dc:creator>PHeMoX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Only because you don’t want to understand it.

Not everyone has enough money, and even if they did it wouldn’t make your position any less short-sighted. It’s the classic industry view of “if you don’t like how we’re doing things, don’t buy it” which, if things actually played out that way, would itself lead to the collapse of the industry in many regions all the same. To cling to it is no better than daring everyone to just let the industry die. And that’s just pure arrogance.&quot;

@Jon R

It has little to do with arrogance. If you don&#039;t buy games because you&#039;re not satisfied with the industry, but download them illegally anyways... then you&#039;re just another hypocrite.

Everyone does have enough money... People that really are too poor wouldn&#039;t even have a PC. If you can&#039;t own both Unreal Tournament III and Far Cry 2, then you&#039;ll have to make a choice which one to buy (first). 

There&#039;s really nothing unfair about that!!!! It certainly doesn&#039;t give you the right to pirate [i]both[/i] games.

There are a gazillion people out there downloading their music illegally. They have this same argument; &quot;we&#039;re poor, don&#039;t blame us&quot;.

It&#039;s stupid. Those same people go out to dance clubs, bars, restaurants and what not more. Spending their precious money on booze, food, entertainment and so on. 

Spending money on games is a choice, people nowadays just don&#039;t feel inclined to.

Even when I myself think games are generally too expensive, they will usually end up in a budget bin eventually. You do know some of the great games can be bought for 10$ if you wait about a year or so. So either you save more money and buy earlier, or you wait and buy cheap.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Only because you don’t want to understand it.</p>
<p>Not everyone has enough money, and even if they did it wouldn’t make your position any less short-sighted. It’s the classic industry view of “if you don’t like how we’re doing things, don’t buy it” which, if things actually played out that way, would itself lead to the collapse of the industry in many regions all the same. To cling to it is no better than daring everyone to just let the industry die. And that’s just pure arrogance.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Jon R</p>
<p>It has little to do with arrogance. If you don&#8217;t buy games because you&#8217;re not satisfied with the industry, but download them illegally anyways&#8230; then you&#8217;re just another hypocrite.</p>
<p>Everyone does have enough money&#8230; People that really are too poor wouldn&#8217;t even have a PC. If you can&#8217;t own both Unreal Tournament III and Far Cry 2, then you&#8217;ll have to make a choice which one to buy (first). </p>
<p>There&#8217;s really nothing unfair about that!!!! It certainly doesn&#8217;t give you the right to pirate [i]both[/i] games.</p>
<p>There are a gazillion people out there downloading their music illegally. They have this same argument; &#8220;we&#8217;re poor, don&#8217;t blame us&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s stupid. Those same people go out to dance clubs, bars, restaurants and what not more. Spending their precious money on booze, food, entertainment and so on. </p>
<p>Spending money on games is a choice, people nowadays just don&#8217;t feel inclined to.</p>
<p>Even when I myself think games are generally too expensive, they will usually end up in a budget bin eventually. You do know some of the great games can be bought for 10$ if you wait about a year or so. So either you save more money and buy earlier, or you wait and buy cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: PHeMoX</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-117469</link>
		<dc:creator>PHeMoX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Another random point - not so much about World of Goo, since it&#039;s pretty lightweight in requirements, but... just because someone has the money to buy the hardware with which to run a game does not mean that, after purchasing the hardware, they would also have the money to buy the game. And I for one, were I offered the choice between buying a game that I couldn&#039;t run, and pirating a game that I could run because I&#039;d spent all my money on hardware. Well. I think you can see where I&#039;m going with that. I imagine that there aren&#039;t very many people genuinely in that situation, but the argument that having money for hardware = having money for games is not correct.&quot;

@Malkav11:

You&#039;re wrong. If you had money to buy expensive hardware, this means you have a certain income. It means you can afford to spend several hundred bucks on hardware. It means you had a choice what to spend your money on. It also means it&#039;s very likely you will have money left afterward. 

Only a fool would spend their very last money on something as &#039;useless&#039; as computer hardware, if it would REALLY mean not being able to spend money on anything else.

You&#039;re fooling yourself thinking you can&#039;t buy games afterward. In fact, just to take an example... why buy an expensive PS3, if you can&#039;t regularly spend about 60$ on new games?

Having money for hardware does mean you have money for games. It&#039;s just that you do not wish to spend your money on games... that&#039;s totally something different.

People that can buy the latest hardware really aren&#039;t poor enough by far to justify their personal piracy.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Another random point &#8211; not so much about World of Goo, since it&#8217;s pretty lightweight in requirements, but&#8230; just because someone has the money to buy the hardware with which to run a game does not mean that, after purchasing the hardware, they would also have the money to buy the game. And I for one, were I offered the choice between buying a game that I couldn&#8217;t run, and pirating a game that I could run because I&#8217;d spent all my money on hardware. Well. I think you can see where I&#8217;m going with that. I imagine that there aren&#8217;t very many people genuinely in that situation, but the argument that having money for hardware = having money for games is not correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Malkav11:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong. If you had money to buy expensive hardware, this means you have a certain income. It means you can afford to spend several hundred bucks on hardware. It means you had a choice what to spend your money on. It also means it&#8217;s very likely you will have money left afterward. </p>
<p>Only a fool would spend their very last money on something as &#8216;useless&#8217; as computer hardware, if it would REALLY mean not being able to spend money on anything else.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re fooling yourself thinking you can&#8217;t buy games afterward. In fact, just to take an example&#8230; why buy an expensive PS3, if you can&#8217;t regularly spend about 60$ on new games?</p>
<p>Having money for hardware does mean you have money for games. It&#8217;s just that you do not wish to spend your money on games&#8230; that&#8217;s totally something different.</p>
<p>People that can buy the latest hardware really aren&#8217;t poor enough by far to justify their personal piracy.</p>
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		<title>By: malkav11</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-117289</link>
		<dc:creator>malkav11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh...my earlier post, I think I meant &quot;illegitimate&quot; channels. Sorry for the extremely delayed correction.</description>
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		<title>By: malkav11</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-117286</link>
		<dc:creator>malkav11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another random point - not so much about World of Goo, since it&#039;s pretty lightweight in requirements, but... just because someone has the money to buy the hardware with which to run a game does not mean that, after purchasing the hardware, they would also have the money to buy the game. And I for one, were I offered the choice between buying a game that I couldn&#039;t run, and pirating a game that I could run because I&#039;d spent all my money on hardware. Well. I think you can see where I&#039;m going with that. I imagine that there aren&#039;t very many people genuinely in that situation, but the argument that having money for hardware = having money for games is not correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another random point &#8211; not so much about World of Goo, since it&#8217;s pretty lightweight in requirements, but&#8230; just because someone has the money to buy the hardware with which to run a game does not mean that, after purchasing the hardware, they would also have the money to buy the game. And I for one, were I offered the choice between buying a game that I couldn&#8217;t run, and pirating a game that I could run because I&#8217;d spent all my money on hardware. Well. I think you can see where I&#8217;m going with that. I imagine that there aren&#8217;t very many people genuinely in that situation, but the argument that having money for hardware = having money for games is not correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerricho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerricho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phil &amp; Harry
It&#039;s still available on the 2D Boy website as it has been since pre-orders opened early this year. How can any of you still be using the NOT ON STEAM complaint?</description>
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It&#8217;s still available on the 2D Boy website as it has been since pre-orders opened early this year. How can any of you still be using the NOT ON STEAM complaint?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-116538</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the UK. I haven&#039;t pirated the game, but I did try to buy it on steam and wasn&#039;t able to (and I&#039;m still not) - I don&#039;t know how many people like me there are out there, but pirates everywhere in the world can download this game, wheras the people who buy games can only get them in the countries where they&#039;re sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the UK. I haven&#8217;t pirated the game, but I did try to buy it on steam and wasn&#8217;t able to (and I&#8217;m still not) &#8211; I don&#8217;t know how many people like me there are out there, but pirates everywhere in the world can download this game, wheras the people who buy games can only get them in the countries where they&#8217;re sold.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stole it coz I couldn&#039;t get the full game through Steam at the time. I&#039;m probably evil.</description>
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		<title>By: Jon R.</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/11/15/world-of-goo-piracy-rate-82/comment-page-13/#comment-115039</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only because you don&#039;t want to understand it.

Not everyone has enough money, and even if they did it wouldn&#039;t make your position any less short-sighted. It&#039;s the classic industry view of &quot;if you don&#039;t like how we&#039;re doing things, don&#039;t buy it&quot; which, if things actually played out that way, would itself lead to the collapse of the industry in many regions all the same. To cling to it is no better than daring everyone to just let the industry die. And that&#039;s just pure arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only because you don&#8217;t want to understand it.</p>
<p>Not everyone has enough money, and even if they did it wouldn&#8217;t make your position any less short-sighted. It&#8217;s the classic industry view of &#8220;if you don&#8217;t like how we&#8217;re doing things, don&#8217;t buy it&#8221; which, if things actually played out that way, would itself lead to the collapse of the industry in many regions all the same. To cling to it is no better than daring everyone to just let the industry die. And that&#8217;s just pure arrogance.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument seems more like a straw man because what&#039;s being said is: &#039;I pirated it because it&#039;s too expensive for me.&#039; and you reply &#039;You don&#039;t have the RIGHT to pirate it!&#039;. 

No one, or at least the person you quoted said anything about having a right to anything. All that basically said was; If a person can acquire something that is difficult to obtain for them - for free, which also doesn&#039;t stop anyone else from having it as well then he doesn&#039;t feel too judgmental towards that person. And the key word there is &#039;too&#039; which implies that he feels at least something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument seems more like a straw man because what&#8217;s being said is: &#8216;I pirated it because it&#8217;s too expensive for me.&#8217; and you reply &#8216;You don&#8217;t have the RIGHT to pirate it!&#8217;. </p>
<p>No one, or at least the person you quoted said anything about having a right to anything. All that basically said was; If a person can acquire something that is difficult to obtain for them &#8211; for free, which also doesn&#8217;t stop anyone else from having it as well then he doesn&#8217;t feel too judgmental towards that person. And the key word there is &#8216;too&#8217; which implies that he feels at least something.</p>
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		<title>By: PHeMoX</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHeMoX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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But if that something can be trivially obtained for free through legitimate channels, and some other circumstance prevents one from legitimately acquiring it, be it lack of funds, lack of availability in one&#039;s country, or what have you,  *and* (this is key) doing so does not deprive anyone else of legitimately acquiring it, I don&#039;t feel inclined to cast too many stones. Whereas I might if the person could easily get it the legit way but just doesn&#039;t feel like it. &lt;/b&gt;

That&#039;s a strawman. Everyone totally has enough money, people just decide to spend it differently. Those 20$ on drinks last weekend? Could have been savings towards the next Gears of War game.

Good for them that they apparently have different priorities, but don&#039;t think this fact gives you the right to pirate a copy just so you can get your hands on it anyways. It just doesn&#039;t work like that. Apart from the fact that &#039;the internet&#039; isn&#039;t free of grey zones and illegal activities.

I totally do not understand how &#039;lack of funds&#039; is a legitimate reason to pirate a copy.</description>
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But if that something can be trivially obtained for free through legitimate channels, and some other circumstance prevents one from legitimately acquiring it, be it lack of funds, lack of availability in one&#8217;s country, or what have you,  *and* (this is key) doing so does not deprive anyone else of legitimately acquiring it, I don&#8217;t feel inclined to cast too many stones. Whereas I might if the person could easily get it the legit way but just doesn&#8217;t feel like it. </b></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a strawman. Everyone totally has enough money, people just decide to spend it differently. Those 20$ on drinks last weekend? Could have been savings towards the next Gears of War game.</p>
<p>Good for them that they apparently have different priorities, but don&#8217;t think this fact gives you the right to pirate a copy just so you can get your hands on it anyways. It just doesn&#8217;t work like that. Apart from the fact that &#8216;the internet&#8217; isn&#8217;t free of grey zones and illegal activities.</p>
<p>I totally do not understand how &#8216;lack of funds&#8217; is a legitimate reason to pirate a copy.</p>
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