Comments on: The Many Doormen Of GTA IV

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By: Colin

Colin — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:40:58 +0000

I don’t even see why we should tolerate this kind of behavior. Being able to play and save your game has been a standard of PCs since the beginning. What right does Microsoft have to remove this basic functionality?

This calls for a petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/StopGFWL/

By: V8matey

V8matey — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:33:46 +0000

Ive had fallout 3 and GTA4 installed on my PC for a while now, and since GFW and rockstar clubs hog of a programs, wont let me connect ingame even tho I have done before in the past and played it for a day or so, but after a a few days of play both programs dont connect ingame anymore, and this really makes the game worthless. No more saves and the added crap that u can get, that really is just a little bonus and nothing much of a wow factor.
Since being a paying customer makes me wonder If I got my moneys worth, When a game forces you to change this and that in windows just to maybe hope to see if it works.
And maybe wait until some one gets there ass in gear to release a patch that fixes most unimportant problems in a game anyways, which again allows you to wait further.
Until you
A: Fix it your self, by looking at tons of forums etc
B: download some sort of 3rd party hack/fix thing.
C: Wait longer for a patch………
D: Put it on a shelve and wait even longer for a Patch or etc and revert back to the games that do play and does not require you to sign in etc.
But Ive got some Questions tho, What the hell is GFW anyways? what does it really support you with? Apart being like a big brother type of deal.
ALL YOUR SAVES ARE BELONG TO US!!!
What does Steam, GFW and all the other band wagon jumpers all have in common? What happens if they go bankrupt? There mainframe has a fire and u lose all your accounts anyways?
If you want to stop pirates an etc, then what stops me from doing a snach and grab at a video game store and giving away alot of free cd keys and its games?
Since GFW uses hotmail account what stops a hacker etc from getting every ones personal detail? and changing there log on pws etc? OR changing who evers stats to there liking?
Why does software protection stuff feel likes its an afterthought?
Why is there not a GFW or steam like program that is just one big massive database you can download patches for any game. So any game can connect to it an download instead of random sites or Do it yourself find a patch etc. Whats the deal with Rockstar social club? I dont want to socialise with people if I am in a game, thats what myspace facebook, steam friends list etc is for.. I just want to drive around and kill people in game.
Why are games turning more to online reg when there is solid proof that this is still unstable.
If GFW crashes my game and I crack it with a hack does that make me a pirate that i still get to play my legit copy of my game?
Any why does GFW and other band wagon jumpers force you to have to purchases a new game just to play on a Lan?
Games used to be made by gamers. But now games are made by sponsors… which is said because at the end of the day they couldnt care less about fixing any problems since they still got the fair share of $$$ worth in there from their selected selling game.

By: gjm

gjm — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:37:58 +0000

I was really looking forward to this game as i enjoyes the GTAIII series very much. So i preordered GTA4 w/o knowing about the DRM hassles and these (insanely?) high system reqs. I only intended to play offline, so no way i would ever need this windows live crap or this (what is good for?) social club thing. And last but not least the securom stuff sucks big time too, though this was the least annoying thing.
For as much as i have seen from the game itself, i really liked it. But the whole control of the game was completely inconsistent. It may work fine using a xbox controller but is extremely annoying when using mouse+keyboard.
I felt a bit sad when i finally removed the from my pc because i would really have enjoyed playing it, but at least for me it’s absolutely unplayable. Additionally the whole online stuff is absolutely unacceptable, the securom protection even more and did i mention the 3 crashes i had in 2 hours of driving…
They messed it up.
For me is was a huge waste of time and money.

GJM

By: PC-Purist

PC-Purist — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:04:16 +0000

I love the GTA series, I have even considered buying a console to play 4. However I just cant let go of the M+K control I get with the PC. I bought GTA 4 last night knowing that my system barely met the min sys reqs. However I believe in supporting the games I like.

After installing it, I wanted to clear up what the GTA 4 PC ver really does on the system.

1. It installs Windows live without checking for a previous version which Fallout 3 had already installed. The first time you load the game it checks for updates to Windows live and requires you to download that before playing. The windows live component also loads a program to act as a redistribution node for the update to other on the net

2. Rockstar Social Club is installed and is set to startup when the system boots. If you disable it in MSconfig, the next time you start GTA4 is puts itself back in. It prompts you for a login with no way to permanently ignore it each time the games starts or if it loads at startup then it prompts you when you login, even if you don’t plan on playing the game.

I don’t really mind DRM but only because I have not had any problems with my system. But I know others have had nightmares dealing with it. I personally wouldn’t mind the whole windows live thing because it is invisible in fallout 3 unless I go and specifically pull it up.

However the GTA 4 PC version has turned my PC into a console with programs loading at startup and no options to choose “JUST PLAY GAME.” I like the fact that I can start a game and choose continue or load and I am back in the game.

Hopefully someone will release a patch/crack that will let me do just that “START…LOAD….ENJOY”

By: roryok

roryok — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:23:06 +0000

@Guhndahb

I realize some folks think that such bloat is minimal or even trivial, but I disagree. I had been looking forward to this purchase. It’s a shame.

Hear Hear. A real shame

@Gorgeras

Were-ware! I like it.

Well I don’t like it but i like the term.

By: Devan

Devan — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:54:21 +0000

I’m not a fan of GTA but was considering buying this until now. All well, it makes the choice easier.

By: Gorgeras

Gorgeras — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:16:42 +0000

Nope.

Will also not be purchasing this until a patch removes all the unncessary crap. I can tolerate online activation, although I think this should make the disc check unneccessary, I can tolerate them both together. But the crap-ware/bloat-ware/shit-ware/were-ware is too much especially after the disasterous farce that was Bully on the PC which STILL hasn’t been fixed.

By: cope

cope — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:15:59 +0000

PC version was cracked and posted on bittorrent today, 1 day before NA release. Anyone surprised?

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:28:06 +0000

@Kadayi: Yeah, and I accept that. The real problem here is that, as apparently in the music and film industries, the big publishers have so much power over the majority of the money in the entire industry that they can, to a large extent, do whatever the hell they want to a developer’s game. Which is why Introversion are still tiny, and why I tend to blame this on the currently popular theories of commerce (as I’ve ranted about before here, I, and I suspect others, would be happy to pay developers directly for previews etc of their new products (I hope everyone on RPS donated to the Auditorium guys on their website…), thus giving them slightly more wiggle-room with publishers.)

By: Klaus

Klaus — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:51:12 +0000

GTA IV PC also requires a number of software installations, including Games For Windows, Adobe Flash, Internet Explorer, SecuROM and our Rockstar Games Social Club application.

Well, I lol’d. All of that to play one game? You also need to have Windows-LIVE, securom, and RGSC running. If the pirated version requires DOWNLOAD, COPY/PASTE CRACK, PLAY, I’ll be lol’ing some more.

Aside from the fact that warez are a great place to pick up a Trojan or key logger, using a cracked copy of GTA IV PC will result in varying changes to the game experience. These can range from comical to game-progress-halting changes.

lol, I’ve had trojans from time to time, and every time what is involved is me ignoring commonsense. i.e. “I shouldn’t click on that, but I waaaannnnt (software) sooooo baaaaaddd! *click* *shutdown* Shit…” hasn’t happened in years though. Experience!

I also have never had a pirated game crap out on me, primarily because I read for such issues beforehand. I hear Mass Effect crapped out on many people who bought the game, and the pirates. So….

By: Guhndahb

Guhndahb — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:26:16 +0000

This is disappointing. I’ll tolerate the copy protection – although activation + disk in the drive is annoying – but not the bloatware. I realize some folks think that such bloat is minimal or even trivial, but I disagree. I had been looking forward to this purchase. It’s a shame.

I’ll continue to read about the issue and hopefully either the bloat will be made optional (at the loss of some features) or it will be reported that the resources expended really are trivial, at which point I’ll reconsider.