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		<title>By: aldo_14</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/12/08/when-managing-football-isnt-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-122460</link>
		<dc:creator>aldo_14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Fitzmogwai&quot;&gt;Dear BBC,

Please will someone tell me WHY OH WHY these people are able to get away with THIS KIND OF THING without anyone in any position of authority taking some RESPONSIBILITY and doing the DECENT THING? It’s as if the ideas of honour and integrity have vanished from our once-great nation and a population of FERAL CHILDREN and PAEDOPHILES are now in charge. This is entirely unacceptable and something must be DONE. However, our politicians who are in thrall to the AMERICANS and BANKERS won’t be interested in doing anything and so this kind of thing will keep happening AGAIN and AGAIN until (cont. p94)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s due to the collapse of Christian English Middle Class values in the, er, world as a whole, where immigrants have stolen the NHS and all our jobs in order to inflict Islamic terrorist promotion of single motherhood benefit claimaints upon this brave land of people who are also Welsh-Scottish-and-Northern-Irish-but-we&#039;ll-be-buggered-if-we-remember-them-in-properly-naming-the-country-we-purportedly-love.  Also, Jewist Zionist Conspiracy.  And curvey metric bananas.




EDIT; on a serious note, I always thought the true joy of Champman-as-was and FM now was identifying players either a) from the real world for your team or b) in the real world from the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Fitzmogwai"><p>Dear BBC,</p>
<p>Please will someone tell me WHY OH WHY these people are able to get away with THIS KIND OF THING without anyone in any position of authority taking some RESPONSIBILITY and doing the DECENT THING? It’s as if the ideas of honour and integrity have vanished from our once-great nation and a population of FERAL CHILDREN and PAEDOPHILES are now in charge. This is entirely unacceptable and something must be DONE. However, our politicians who are in thrall to the AMERICANS and BANKERS won’t be interested in doing anything and so this kind of thing will keep happening AGAIN and AGAIN until (cont. p94)</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s due to the collapse of Christian English Middle Class values in the, er, world as a whole, where immigrants have stolen the NHS and all our jobs in order to inflict Islamic terrorist promotion of single motherhood benefit claimaints upon this brave land of people who are also Welsh-Scottish-and-Northern-Irish-but-we&#8217;ll-be-buggered-if-we-remember-them-in-properly-naming-the-country-we-purportedly-love.  Also, Jewist Zionist Conspiracy.  And curvey metric bananas.</p>
<p>EDIT; on a serious note, I always thought the true joy of Champman-as-was and FM now was identifying players either a) from the real world for your team or b) in the real world from the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Dante</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/12/08/when-managing-football-isnt-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-122135</link>
		<dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Englishman, a Football fan and a player of Football Manager, I&#039;m at least twice as appalled as anyone else here about this.

Honestly, criticising poor graphics? You might as well criticise Peggle for poor graphics, they aren&#039;t good or bad, they&#039;re &#039;n/a&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Englishman, a Football fan and a player of Football Manager, I&#8217;m at least twice as appalled as anyone else here about this.</p>
<p>Honestly, criticising poor graphics? You might as well criticise Peggle for poor graphics, they aren&#8217;t good or bad, they&#8217;re &#8216;n/a&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ BadlyNamed: I&#039;ve thought that about games in general, but ultimately it&#039;s difficult for a person to get past the fact that they&#039;re not keen on the subject or genre of a game and just treat it as a set of mechanics and functions, etc.

I think this would be unique particularly to sports &lt;i&gt;management&lt;/i&gt; games. I mean, if you&#039;re playing a FIFA, NFL, MLB or whatever other sport game then at the end of the day you&#039;re sitting watching that sport happen that you don&#039;t normally like.

A guy I used to know years and years ago who wasn&#039;t into football was toying with the idea of borrowing Championship Manager from a friend and treating it as he would any new strategy game but I don&#039;t think he ever did. If you know the sport you&#039;re instantly going to be swayed by what players and teams you don&#039;t like, but it&#039;d be cool for somebody with no interest in the sport but who has played strategy games to go in and see what they did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ BadlyNamed: I&#8217;ve thought that about games in general, but ultimately it&#8217;s difficult for a person to get past the fact that they&#8217;re not keen on the subject or genre of a game and just treat it as a set of mechanics and functions, etc.</p>
<p>I think this would be unique particularly to sports <i>management</i> games. I mean, if you&#8217;re playing a FIFA, NFL, MLB or whatever other sport game then at the end of the day you&#8217;re sitting watching that sport happen that you don&#8217;t normally like.</p>
<p>A guy I used to know years and years ago who wasn&#8217;t into football was toying with the idea of borrowing Championship Manager from a friend and treating it as he would any new strategy game but I don&#8217;t think he ever did. If you know the sport you&#8217;re instantly going to be swayed by what players and teams you don&#8217;t like, but it&#8217;d be cool for somebody with no interest in the sport but who has played strategy games to go in and see what they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitzmogwai</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/12/08/when-managing-football-isnt-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-122109</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitzmogwai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear BBC,

Please will someone tell me WHY OH WHY these people are able to get away with THIS KIND OF THING without anyone in any position of authority taking some RESPONSIBILITY and doing the DECENT THING? It&#039;s as if the ideas of honour and integrity have vanished from our once-great nation and a population of FERAL CHILDREN and PAEDOPHILES are now in charge.  This is entirely unacceptable and something must be DONE. However, our politicians who are in thrall to the AMERICANS and BANKERS won&#039;t be interested in doing anything and so this kind of thing will keep happening AGAIN and AGAIN until  (cont. p94)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear BBC,</p>
<p>Please will someone tell me WHY OH WHY these people are able to get away with THIS KIND OF THING without anyone in any position of authority taking some RESPONSIBILITY and doing the DECENT THING? It&#8217;s as if the ideas of honour and integrity have vanished from our once-great nation and a population of FERAL CHILDREN and PAEDOPHILES are now in charge.  This is entirely unacceptable and something must be DONE. However, our politicians who are in thrall to the AMERICANS and BANKERS won&#8217;t be interested in doing anything and so this kind of thing will keep happening AGAIN and AGAIN until  (cont. p94)</p>
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		<title>By: BadlyNamed</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/12/08/when-managing-football-isnt-enough/comment-page-2/#comment-121990</link>
		<dc:creator>BadlyNamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Paul inc: “I do wonder however, what score a UK reviewer, who has no idea about american football or baseball, would give to a american football/Baseball management game?”

I’d hope they’d turn down the review if they knew literally nothing about the sport. However, I still believe a decent review could be written without. The problem here isn’t the lack of knowledge about soccer - as established, it’s a sport prevalent in the US - but a lack of knowledge of sports management games.

If I were offered an FM review, I’d politely say no and hide in a cupboard. However, I’d hope that an editor would step in at some point to stop me if I tried.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d actually find that very interesting - not so much the review as such, but seeing how someone who typically plays regular strategy games reacts to the differences with it being sport-based and how their approach would differ from someone who approaches it from familiarity with the sport. That sort of thing. But I&#039;m dull like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Paul inc: “I do wonder however, what score a UK reviewer, who has no idea about american football or baseball, would give to a american football/Baseball management game?”</p>
<p>I’d hope they’d turn down the review if they knew literally nothing about the sport. However, I still believe a decent review could be written without. The problem here isn’t the lack of knowledge about soccer &#8211; as established, it’s a sport prevalent in the US &#8211; but a lack of knowledge of sports management games.</p>
<p>If I were offered an FM review, I’d politely say no and hide in a cupboard. However, I’d hope that an editor would step in at some point to stop me if I tried.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d actually find that very interesting &#8211; not so much the review as such, but seeing how someone who typically plays regular strategy games reacts to the differences with it being sport-based and how their approach would differ from someone who approaches it from familiarity with the sport. That sort of thing. But I&#8217;m dull like that.</p>
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		<title>By: manintheshack</title>
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		<dc:creator>manintheshack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem lies with IGN&#039;s rating system. It reads thus:

&quot;2.0 to 2.9 (Terrible)
Games of this caliber aren&#039;t even good enough to recycle. It&#039;s more fun to play catch with the box than it is to play the game. Titles in this category have gameplay and technical problems that are so severe, they border on being completely &quot;broken.&quot; Maybe the cat could find some use for them.&quot;

From the response the review received and the UK review itself, the above was clearly not the case. The problem lay with the reviewer, or IGN&#039;s choice of reviewer and the readers were correct to call bullshit on the review.

If you see the 10/10/10/10/10 GTA reviews and the copy/paste across format reviews, then you will already realise that IGN have very little integrity. I think they were correct in pulling the review and I honestly think it was just a mistake. At the very least, it shows they listen to their readership and can admit when they fuck up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem lies with IGN&#8217;s rating system. It reads thus:</p>
<p>&#8220;2.0 to 2.9 (Terrible)<br />
Games of this caliber aren&#8217;t even good enough to recycle. It&#8217;s more fun to play catch with the box than it is to play the game. Titles in this category have gameplay and technical problems that are so severe, they border on being completely &#8220;broken.&#8221; Maybe the cat could find some use for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>From the response the review received and the UK review itself, the above was clearly not the case. The problem lay with the reviewer, or IGN&#8217;s choice of reviewer and the readers were correct to call bullshit on the review.</p>
<p>If you see the 10/10/10/10/10 GTA reviews and the copy/paste across format reviews, then you will already realise that IGN have very little integrity. I think they were correct in pulling the review and I honestly think it was just a mistake. At the very least, it shows they listen to their readership and can admit when they fuck up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two types of people. I call these types A and B.

If you are of type A, giving that game a 2.0 is the correct thing.   If you are of type B, giving the 9.0 is the correct thing. 
I am of type B, and I don&#039;t like this type of games, so this mean I could be absolutelly bored if some people forced me to play this game... but somewhere could exist some people that will love this game. People of type A think that this is not a excuse, if a game is boring to me (the reviewer, or the reader) it sould receive a bad score. 

I don&#039;t think theres a wrong or right scrore, nor 2.0 or 9.0 are correct. It depends of type A or B of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two types of people. I call these types A and B.</p>
<p>If you are of type A, giving that game a 2.0 is the correct thing.   If you are of type B, giving the 9.0 is the correct thing.<br />
I am of type B, and I don&#8217;t like this type of games, so this mean I could be absolutelly bored if some people forced me to play this game&#8230; but somewhere could exist some people that will love this game. People of type A think that this is not a excuse, if a game is boring to me (the reviewer, or the reader) it sould receive a bad score. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think theres a wrong or right scrore, nor 2.0 or 9.0 are correct. It depends of type A or B of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Moloney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Moloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Playing devil&#039;s advocate here; there are people who enjoy  hunt-the-pixel adventures games in the same way that people enjoy football management games. Both are as enjoyable to me as the proverbial doorjamb-testicle interfacing. 

But magazines are quite happy to allow reviewers who don&#039;t enjoy HTP games to review and say they&#039;re rubbish.

As I say, I don&#039;t enjoy HTP adventures, when I read forums such as www.adventuregamers.com I shudder (if ag.com was a person, it would be an overweight mumu-ed lady with multiple cats), but there seems to be a wee bit of a double standard here.

P.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing devil&#8217;s advocate here; there are people who enjoy  hunt-the-pixel adventures games in the same way that people enjoy football management games. Both are as enjoyable to me as the proverbial doorjamb-testicle interfacing. </p>
<p>But magazines are quite happy to allow reviewers who don&#8217;t enjoy HTP games to review and say they&#8217;re rubbish.</p>
<p>As I say, I don&#8217;t enjoy HTP adventures, when I read forums such as <a href="http://www.adventuregamers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.adventuregamers.com</a> I shudder (if ag.com was a person, it would be an overweight mumu-ed lady with multiple cats), but there seems to be a wee bit of a double standard here.</p>
<p>P.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Hepton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Hepton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least one person should have sub edited the article before it went on the site.  That it ended up on the site means that, moronic as it was, it was the view of IGN and if they pull it then, to me, IGN&#039;s integrity is damaged more by pulling the moronic review than keeping it there.

If the readers are the ones writing the reviews, then why do IGN even bother in the first place?  Of course, people are always going to disagree, but if your reason for being is to give a view on games, and the moment that people say they disagree you immediately remove your view, then you have just made yourself redundant in the flow of things.

I personally don&#039;t believe for one second that IGN are more receptive to the views of their readers than those of their advertisers, otherwise they&#039;d have pulled many, many reviews before now.

And, yes, I&#039;m probably paranoid and wrong, but hey, it&#039;s my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least one person should have sub edited the article before it went on the site.  That it ended up on the site means that, moronic as it was, it was the view of IGN and if they pull it then, to me, IGN&#8217;s integrity is damaged more by pulling the moronic review than keeping it there.</p>
<p>If the readers are the ones writing the reviews, then why do IGN even bother in the first place?  Of course, people are always going to disagree, but if your reason for being is to give a view on games, and the moment that people say they disagree you immediately remove your view, then you have just made yourself redundant in the flow of things.</p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t believe for one second that IGN are more receptive to the views of their readers than those of their advertisers, otherwise they&#8217;d have pulled many, many reviews before now.</p>
<p>And, yes, I&#8217;m probably paranoid and wrong, but hey, it&#8217;s my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pags
I haven&#039;t played many American Football Management games recently, but used to play a game called Head Coach back in the early nineties. This is the only information I can find on it:

http://www.sportsgameshop.com/amfhdc.html

It was all completely text-based, but about the closest thing to the old Champ Manager games I know of, with lots of stats, training, drafts and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pags<br />
I haven&#8217;t played many American Football Management games recently, but used to play a game called Head Coach back in the early nineties. This is the only information I can find on it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sportsgameshop.com/amfhdc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sportsgameshop.com/amfhdc.html</a></p>
<p>It was all completely text-based, but about the closest thing to the old Champ Manager games I know of, with lots of stats, training, drafts and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Hi, I blurgh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi, I blurgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The review was a scandal. Removing it was the only right thing to do.</description>
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		<title>By: Kieron Gillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Gillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Adam. Mass outrage from readers over a questionable review and it&#039;s because Sega&#039;s angry they must have pulled it.

KG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Adam. Mass outrage from readers over a questionable review and it&#8217;s because Sega&#8217;s angry they must have pulled it.</p>
<p>KG</p>
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