Comments on: Nod To Mod: Q3WCP9, Or “Great F***in’ Level”

By: JM

JM — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:47:30 +0000

What is this alternate world where CS existed before Quake(world), Unreal, etc?

CS heralded the new breed of tactical shooters, taking it away from the likes of Quake. We’ve had a million and one clones since.

By: vicx

vicx — Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:17:23 +0000

I would wear a threewave t-shirt if I had one.

In the end it is about the maps … and the grapple.

also q2dm1 +1

By: newborn

newborn — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:34:57 +0000

Woo! I have “incredible creativity”.

Anyway, I’m a lot of the OSP/CPMA features are likely to make it in to QL since arQon is now contracted by id Software and has the code sitting on his HDD.

As for maps – there lies the problem. They can’t release maps they didn’t make and well.. id software couldn’t map their way out of a wet paper bag. Method has a few new QL maps though and fortunately, he CAN map to save his life.

By: Jim Rossignol

Jim Rossignol — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:21:18 +0000

I never minded rail-dominated maps, so long as they weren’t space maps. Being railed I can cope with, being knocked into the abyss was less entertaining.

By: wviperw

wviperw — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:02:18 +0000

It’s funny you should cite CP9 as the pinnacle of Q3 CTF. While I agree that CP9 was definitely a fun map and it was one of the most popular to play on pub servers, I think a lot of the Q3 players today would argue that it is the DM17 of CTF maps. The video you linked to actually demonstrated this rather well–the wide open nature of the map makes it very rail-centric. Combine that with a very limited mid-field and no alt routes and you get a map that lacks some of the depth that other CTF maps (some released later) contain.

By: Johnny Law

Johnny Law — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:26:29 +0000

The jump-grunts in Quake are pretty dire, but after a few thousand hours you tune them out…

By: Hmm-Hmm.

Hmm-Hmm. — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:53:47 +0000

Am I the only one who is somewhat annoyed by those grunts?

Otherwise, could be nice, but I’m generally far too generalist to spend enough time to become able enough to actually compete with people instead of bots. Just being there for target practice isn’t my idea of fun. Ah well.

By: Moogsi

Moogsi — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:51:16 +0000

Someone hunt down Scancode (who made cp9 and a few other 3wave maps), put him in contact with id, get him paid, and recompile the map for QL. I think there might have been a thread on esr to that effect :)

Actually I think it’d be cool to see these people (who made such cool maps without ever expecting any remuneration) get given some money for their efforts.

By: Malice

Malice — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:35:23 +0000

That’s really the only thing that’s holding back Quake Live right now,… I think… the lack of quality maps like threewave made for CTF.

By: BE

BE — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:47:58 +0000

q2dm1 – the edge

By: JP

JP — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:02:06 +0000

@JonFitt:
“That video reminded me of the slidy hoppy nature of Quake’s movement. I know many people are completely comfortable with it, but I find it a jarring immersion breaker.”

I think, for the people who enjoy it, immersion doesn’t even enter into it. FPS movement even in games that do it well is already a pretty stylized version of how people actually move. Q3 and the best of its ilk just embrace that and don’t try to hide that you’re a weird little bounding box doing amazing things.

@Gravatar DigitalSignalX:
“I love FPS’s – but it just seems like the whole industry has gone astray from tactical team play to “run n gun” or “twitch” gaming as some people call it.”

It’s weird to hear it told like that, because FPS games were twitch (Doom, Quake, etc) before they got tactical – how old are you? And aside from QL, Serious Sam and Painkiller, there’s not really much of a twitch revival.

If you see twitch elements as undermining otherwise very tactical games, that makes sense… better not to be a muddle of two quite divergent styles. Quake Live seems to have a very clear idea of what it is though.

By: Biz

Biz — Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:46:43 +0000

quake live is to unite the community. quake 3 currently has different patches and mods and even team arena and different server settings and it’s not easy to find games let alone with low enough ping. really, all the quake veterans want their favorite mod in quake live, but each of them have a different favorite one that it would become the way quake 3 is without a good amount of oversight by id. maybe they can gradually introduce mods so there aren’t 20 different game modes to choose from at the beginning for newbies to get overwhelmed by.

id has succeeded in bringing quake back, and that’s what matters most. yeah, i wish a couple maps I like were in the game along with a couple game modes, but i’m having a lot more fun when i get under 30 ping to a dozen active servers with my skill and gametype preferences.

it’s kind of tough for people who haven’t followed quake 3 for years to grasp, but the fact that so many people play free for all in quake live is significant. it’s pretty much the least popular mode in quake 3 which is surprising for everyone else because FFA is the first thing people think of when someone talks about quake.