Comments on: Bastard Of The Old Republic: Part Two

By: Klaus

Klaus — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:14:51 +0000

I only played fully evil path in Baldur’s Gate 2. After a few small evil acts it all seems to get pretty easy – slippery slope, eh? I was fully intending on going on in Masquerade with little humanity but ran into technical issues.

Though I realize it’s all a game, the idea of going into a ‘new world’ and causing nothing but misery for everyone is bothersome.

@egg
lol. I seriously want to go play Mass Effect now. I never thought they would say anything if I cut the transmission, so I never did.

By: Rei Onryou

Rei Onryou — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:34:00 +0000

I can never bring myself to play a game evilly first time through. Well, except GTA IV, but that doesn’t really count (I accidentally hit the button to kill someone, rather than let them live, and just went with the flow), especially since it’s not that evil in comparison to standard GTA gameplay.

Keep the bastardisation of Walker going!

By: Grey_Ghost

Grey_Ghost — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:00:24 +0000

Well, you got farther down the bastard path then I ever did. After awhile I just couldn’t stand the remarks of my companions & npc’s regarding my evil acts. Actually I think that woman on Tatooine with the skull was the straw that broke the camels back.

By: egg

egg — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:29:24 +0000

I am much quite like you, John. In the matter of usually being an angelic creature in every game I play. I also tend to be a nice dude too “in real life”, in my own way.

With that said, I was the most obnoxious bitch in the galaxy when I played Mass Effect. Which was probably the only reason I managed to play the whole game without losing interest.

It was just too satisfaying when I logged out in the middle of a mission debriefing, thus pissing that given “universe council” off. And then, after the next mission, when I was again being debriefed and they started criticizing me for logging out in the middle of the session, I just did it again.

I never managed I would feel so good. Might try that in a conference call with a client tomorrow. Hmm.

By: Daniel

Daniel — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:09:30 +0000

Lol, Kieron. I suppose that is true. Despite its terrible evil options, I do have soft spot for KotOR. Bioware did wise up for ME, which was nice to see.

By: Athatar

Athatar — Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:02:01 +0000

When it came to KOTOR I had a lot of fun playing the evil guy but again I didn’t go out of my way to be an in your face psychopath. I try and play a character who doesn’t see the point in stealing the skull of the woman but screwing with the mind of the widow with the droid or causing the fight between the houses seems, in my mind, the sort of manipulation that appeals to a Dark Side Jedi. It’s the same reason i’m nice to my companions. You can slowly corrupt them by seeming interested in their lives.

By: Andrew F

Andrew F — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:28:42 +0000

I did a second playthrough as Sith, and I remember having actual serious difficulty stealing that skull.

By: phil

phil — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:10:36 +0000

If you’re doing requests a dark side PS:T walkthough would be superb; your options related to your ex(in every sense) wife and the chance to return Morte ‘home’ to the tower are just Shakespearen horrific.

SPOILER: having actually done it the only moment my heart softened was during Morte’s sequences, when he thrust himself back out of the heaving mass of skulls (none of which were pleased to see him) for one final hopeless bid for freedom. I reached in and grabbed him, which caused the skulls to ruin my right hand and left me with a permanent injury, no good deed goes unpunished when you are chaotic evil I suppose.

By: BigJonno

BigJonno — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:54:48 +0000

One of the problems with this kind of game is that people approach it from a “I’m gonna be good/evil” viewpoint, instead of roleplaying (of course some people just min/max the most effective character they can, but we don’t associate with those people.)

If you go into KotOR (or BG, or ME, or JE, or Fable) with a clear black/white, good/evil mentality, it’ll seem very simplistic. If you have a character in mind and go with it, you’ll see how well these games support roleplaying.

The only time I can remember being particularly frustrated with a blatent good/evil choice was in the Fable 2 Knothole Glade DLC. I wanted to kill that annoying twat of a chief, not side with him.

By: skalpadda

skalpadda — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:29:12 +0000

@ Daniel:
In KotOR you are merely, as you put it, a bastard. A more accurate word would probably be psychopath.

I used to think this too, which was why I never played DS before, but I’ll just quote myself from a few posts up:

What surprised me was that you don’t have to be a greedy racist psychopath murderer but can choose to slowly keep those dark side points trickling in by carefully choosing who to betray and double cross.

Sure, you can play it like John is doing, taking the most ludicrous psychopath options available on every opportunity, but while it may be very funny, you don’t have to play it like that to be dark side. In the play through I did after reading the first article here I managed to be fully dark side around the time I found the last star map and I wasn’t menacing innocent civilians for sport or murdering people out of greed (ok, I might have slipped once or twice.. but..).

To take an example from the article above, I didn’t steal the wraid skull from the woman on Tatooine, but bought it from her (I did haggle for the price though), because she had done nothing to me. Later in the bar however I force choked a man who was being rather rude and unpleasant to me, which made him so scared he couldn’t utter another word to me. The woman had done nothing to me, but the man was showing no respect and I wasn’t going to take that, badass that I was.

What I’m trying to get at is that it’s perfectly possible to play as dark side and still uphold a moral code. I simply had my own agenda and I wasn’t squeamish about who I stepped on to achieve my goals. I also did the very good thing on Kashyyk for example, and managed to do the very bad thing on Tatooine, not by being a murderous psychopath, but by simply asking the wrong question and then defending myself in the battle that ensued. (Being vague here, but I don’t want to spoil stuff :)).

Point being it’s not the black and white game so many make it out to be, and there’s plenty of room for granularity between just how good or evil you want to be.

By: Lukasz

Lukasz — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:29:05 +0000

@Malkav11

Not really. I do remember I made everyone super evil (except kreia of course) You just cannot be a dick to them.

By: JamesOf83

JamesOf83 — Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:16:48 +0000

The best evil thing in KOTOR is forcing the Wookie to kill his Twilek friend. It happens off-screen, but it’s hilariously evil, and I was genuinley suprised that the game let me be that evil.