Comments on: Wot I Think – Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor

By: Piispa

Piispa — Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:29:50 +0000

@Serondal: “Valor (virtue ethics), roughly “courage in defense of a noble cause””

My dictionary says:
“valour
Noun
1. Value; worth
2. Literary great bravery, esp. in battle [Latin valere to be strong]
3. Strength of mind in regard to danger; that quality which enables a person to encounter danger with firmness; personal bravery; courage; prowess; intrepidity. ”

So your nazi-rant goes to waste – nothing about the cause (even if it’s a German fighting for his family), just being brave while facing danger.

By: psyk

psyk — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:59:00 +0000

They Liberate france from the french then the english take it from the germans and rename it new england every one is happy.

By: Serondal

Serondal — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:52:32 +0000

They were taking it from the French not libertaing it ;P It isn’t like they were gonna give it back once they removed the curropt evil government or something noble like that.

By: psyk

psyk — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:49:40 +0000

The french??

By: Serondal

Serondal — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:43:09 +0000

I Wanna see a game about Chinese fighting off Japanese Invasions or Australians fighting Japanese warships, maybe we could play a game where you go to work for 10 minutes then an Atomic bomb falls our your head and the words “You lose” pop up and then the game deletes itself and half of your hard drive with it, we could call it “A-bombed”

I could see the origonal post about not feeling right playing as Germans in a game called Tales of Valor.

Valor (virtue ethics), roughly “courage in defense of a noble cause”

Germans of any type were not defending a noble cause and there is no German then or now that can say otherwise. It is never noble to invade another country for no good reason. Poland, France, Russia, it goes on and on. This has nothing to do with the Nazi party and what they were up to, just invading other countries to conquer them is wrong in and of itself O.o Who were the German’s liberating France from ?

By: MeestaNob!

MeestaNob! — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:45:21 +0000

Everybody wants to see Russian fun in the next add-on, but any chance of the next one being something from Africa, or perhaps even some ANZAC stuff?

By: Ben

Ben — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:27:46 +0000

The puzzling emphasis on how WEIRD it is to play as the Nazis really ruined this review for me. In Vanilla COH there was no Nazi campaign, so in terms of number of hours of single player, the Allies are still WAY ahead. I must have been playing a different game to you because I quite liked the German banter – it was the American NO WE WON’T EVER RETREAT OK WE’RE RETREATING! WELL I’M NOT BECAUSE I’M A MANLY MAN! I WILL DIE HERE! OK NOW LET’S CHARGE BACK IN TO THE EXACT SAME PLACE! I GUESS IT WAS CRAZY TO CHARGE BUT SOMEONE HAD TO BE FIRST! which I found difficult to relate to. I don’t know if it was intentional but Relic seem to be writing the Germans as savvy tacticians and the USA as gung-ho maniacs winning by throwing wave after wave of rambos into combat.

This add-on is excellent, it’s just overpriced for the amount of content. No one seems to be mentioning the AI overhaul, but they play a lot more intelligently now – in a 4 human vs 4 AI battle I went Wehrmacht with Defensive Doctrine and set up a strong point with bunkers, mortars, nebelwerfers and 88s at a key crossroads, only for the AI to throw a massive attack onto the point that lasted something like 15 minutes of constant battle and nearly broke me by sheer attrition. Luckily my compatriots who were Blitzkrieg and Terror managed to turn the left flank while they were preoccupied with my centre. The main weakness of the AI is still its poor ability to react to decapitation strikes. But whatever – I enjoyed the original, I enjoyed OF, and ToV is a small but worthy addition – just a bit overpriced for what you get.

By: Ludwig

Ludwig — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:43:56 +0000

Hrmm, with regard to the whole ‘Is there enough content?’ issue…it is very tempting to accuse relic/THQ of being cheap and hiding their cheapness behind a cloud of pretention.

I am not sure though, knowing game developers (the species) quite well I suspect that there were a raft of good ideas for the game, some of which might even have evolved the genre slightly, and that they were not implemented for time/cost/marketing/prioritisation reasons. What they were left with was a blatant feature rip-off and some boats. Rather sad.

By: H

Thu, 16 Apr 2009 10:40:15 +0000

Actually yeah, I’m surprised more people haven’t commented on this, but the Axis faction, both Wermacht and PE, now get amphibious units whereas the Allies don’t. (Unless I missed something?) Surely that’s a hideous imbalance?

By: Panzeh

Panzeh — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:53:19 +0000

And there are plenty of grand strategy games that include the Eastern Front, plenty of operational wargames, even tactical wargames.

By: Ginger Yellow

Ginger Yellow — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:31:35 +0000

Well, an American is going to understand playing Tom Hanks or Band of Brothers, fighting the Nazis in France, getting down to the nuance a lot more quickly than he’s going to understand Russian culture, the way the Russians conducted operations, and what made them tick.

Why the hell do we need to relate to them? It’s a strategy game, not a novel.

By: MonkeyMonster

MonkeyMonster — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:05:39 +0000

So the newly patched AI is a very good thing. Hard is hard and expert is you can’t make mistakes or your butt is the ai’s. Tiger ace is fun but easy on normal. Stonewall is quite hard if your team (all friends) are unused to it. Can’t wait to try the other multiplay types.
The new models are a nice touch too – calling them models is wrong though given they can vastly alter the whole play style of your chosen side. Giving PE stukka’s for instance…
Bought from hamazon for <18 squids and feel it is well worth the money at that price. I get the new models, new multiplay options and 3 mini campaigns.
At first I didn’t want to play the operation market garden as like KG I didn’t like the idea of killing the “good” guys. I got over it quite quickly and realised – its a game. Really guys, it IS just a game, please try to relax and treat it as such and leave the angst ridden axis =? evil arguments for the pub.