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	<title>Comments on: EA Sports &#8220;Abandon Physical Media&#8221; On PC</title>
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		<title>By: redrain85</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181944</link>
		<dc:creator>redrain85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;EA Sports &#039;Abandon Physical Media&#039; On PC&quot;

Time to abandon EA sports games, then?  If they&#039;re not at least giving me an option to buy a physical copy, then forget it.  If this succeeds, it will set a precedent that leads to all games being download-only, regardless of platform.</description>
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<p>Time to abandon EA sports games, then?  If they&#8217;re not at least giving me an option to buy a physical copy, then forget it.  If this succeeds, it will set a precedent that leads to all games being download-only, regardless of platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Impossibly Daft</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181894</link>
		<dc:creator>Impossibly Daft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 23:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going back to the interview, I&#039;m more suprised at the dismissive reaction to the suggestion of a cricket game; what with how big it is in India, would have thought they&#039;d see an opportunity there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going back to the interview, I&#8217;m more suprised at the dismissive reaction to the suggestion of a cricket game; what with how big it is in India, would have thought they&#8217;d see an opportunity there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravenger</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181843</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a thread on the Atari Dark Athena support  forum where a user who ran out of activations alleges he had his serial number deactivated by the DRM company because he&#039;d complained about it on that forum.

That&#039;s why I and many others are against these DRM schemes - your purchase can be rendered useless at the touch of a button by the whim of a publisher or their DRM suppliers. Then you have to go begging to get your legally purchased game back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a thread on the Atari Dark Athena support  forum where a user who ran out of activations alleges he had his serial number deactivated by the DRM company because he&#8217;d complained about it on that forum.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I and many others are against these DRM schemes &#8211; your purchase can be rendered useless at the touch of a button by the whim of a publisher or their DRM suppliers. Then you have to go begging to get your legally purchased game back.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ferrari</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181835</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ferrari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hitnrun: 

I&#039;m not saying we could not boycott the subscription model if we wanted to.  What I wanted to say is that customers have already accepted it, and that the industry will not abandon their most obvious business plan for a minority of people who are not yet on board. 

Most people like Steam. They like the benefits it brings, and they accept (or don&#039;t know about) the disadvantages.  I do not like the lack of ownership, but I still have tons of games on Impulse and Steam.  I wanted to play the Orange Box, so I subscribed. I wanted Demigod, so I subscribed. 

What is still open for debate is the quality and price of the services. For example, we rejected EA&#039;s activation limit.  Some of us might even choose the less obtrusive Impulse over Steam. And I hope games will become cheaper as people understand that subscriptions with bad service are worth less than purchases or subscriptions with good service.  But the subscription model itself , as I see it, is already commonly accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hitnrun: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we could not boycott the subscription model if we wanted to.  What I wanted to say is that customers have already accepted it, and that the industry will not abandon their most obvious business plan for a minority of people who are not yet on board. </p>
<p>Most people like Steam. They like the benefits it brings, and they accept (or don&#8217;t know about) the disadvantages.  I do not like the lack of ownership, but I still have tons of games on Impulse and Steam.  I wanted to play the Orange Box, so I subscribed. I wanted Demigod, so I subscribed. </p>
<p>What is still open for debate is the quality and price of the services. For example, we rejected EA&#8217;s activation limit.  Some of us might even choose the less obtrusive Impulse over Steam. And I hope games will become cheaper as people understand that subscriptions with bad service are worth less than purchases or subscriptions with good service.  But the subscription model itself , as I see it, is already commonly accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: hitnrun</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181787</link>
		<dc:creator>hitnrun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 20:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Benjamin: I agree with most of your points, except this:

&quot;I personally thing we can do _nothing_ to prevent this (if we wanted to).&quot;

Sure we can. Don&#039;t buy games that don&#039;t satisfy your concept of ownership. Money flows downhill. Just look what happened to Spore vis-a-vis DRM. Suddenly, several months later, EA decides that its DRM policy was bad form and The Sims 3 will now have (supposedly) a simple disc-check. As much as I trust the unerring mores of righteousness in which EA is deeply rooted, I can&#039;t help but think that was a case of customers influencing the manner in which their product is delivered.

Not that I&#039;m advocating piracy (though I won&#039;t hypocritically condemn it, either). To be honest, I got tired of having to break the law just to play games the way I wanted to play them, so I bought a console. Now my (non-PC) games instantly work on physical medium, and publishers have to settle for hoping that I don&#039;t buy their particular title from half.com

@ThatFatChap
I&#039;ve never heard of a company &quot;revoking&quot; anyone&#039;s right to a game they&#039;ve purchased under the traditional model, and no such claim would be recognized by an American court, and I suspect a Brit or European court would rule likewise. Even if publishers did have the right theoretically, being able to instantly enact it at a click is quite a different animal from having to issue letters to people whose addresses they don&#039;t even know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Benjamin: I agree with most of your points, except this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I personally thing we can do _nothing_ to prevent this (if we wanted to).&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure we can. Don&#8217;t buy games that don&#8217;t satisfy your concept of ownership. Money flows downhill. Just look what happened to Spore vis-a-vis DRM. Suddenly, several months later, EA decides that its DRM policy was bad form and The Sims 3 will now have (supposedly) a simple disc-check. As much as I trust the unerring mores of righteousness in which EA is deeply rooted, I can&#8217;t help but think that was a case of customers influencing the manner in which their product is delivered.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m advocating piracy (though I won&#8217;t hypocritically condemn it, either). To be honest, I got tired of having to break the law just to play games the way I wanted to play them, so I bought a console. Now my (non-PC) games instantly work on physical medium, and publishers have to settle for hoping that I don&#8217;t buy their particular title from half.com</p>
<p>@ThatFatChap<br />
I&#8217;ve never heard of a company &#8220;revoking&#8221; anyone&#8217;s right to a game they&#8217;ve purchased under the traditional model, and no such claim would be recognized by an American court, and I suspect a Brit or European court would rule likewise. Even if publishers did have the right theoretically, being able to instantly enact it at a click is quite a different animal from having to issue letters to people whose addresses they don&#8217;t even know.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s ironic that given how keen EA state they are for digital downloads to replace boxed PC game sales that they still haven&#039;t released their games in the UK on steam, while they happily released them to the rest of the world (except Japan).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s ironic that given how keen EA state they are for digital downloads to replace boxed PC game sales that they still haven&#8217;t released their games in the UK on steam, while they happily released them to the rest of the world (except Japan).</p>
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		<title>By: drewski</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181700</link>
		<dc:creator>drewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all a question of what you get for your money. For a full price game, I want a disc, I want at least some form of manual, I want a tacky box to put on my shelf with my other tacky boxes. I want resale value and I want to know that my disc will work for as long as I have something to read it with - even if the publisher goes bust.

For US$10, I&#039;ll accept an online authenticated, distributed and reliant game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all a question of what you get for your money. For a full price game, I want a disc, I want at least some form of manual, I want a tacky box to put on my shelf with my other tacky boxes. I want resale value and I want to know that my disc will work for as long as I have something to read it with &#8211; even if the publisher goes bust.</p>
<p>For US$10, I&#8217;ll accept an online authenticated, distributed and reliant game.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich_P</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181676</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich_P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is videogaming&#039;s future. Online gaming reduces piracy and kills the second hand market. Scratch future: on the PC side of things, we&#039;re already there. Good luck reselling your copies of DoW II or ETW...

IIRC, EA released a football game in South Korea or somewhere, supported by microtransactions, and ended up making more money per player than had they just sold them a standard box. Wish I could find the interview where that was mentioned.

&lt;i&gt;I like my games to be on discs with clunky, space-wasting boxes and manuals.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m the same way, but nearly all new PC games come in thin DVD sleeves with a puny manual, if they even include one. With Valve games, I just enter the product key into steam and chuck the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is videogaming&#8217;s future. Online gaming reduces piracy and kills the second hand market. Scratch future: on the PC side of things, we&#8217;re already there. Good luck reselling your copies of DoW II or ETW&#8230;</p>
<p>IIRC, EA released a football game in South Korea or somewhere, supported by microtransactions, and ended up making more money per player than had they just sold them a standard box. Wish I could find the interview where that was mentioned.</p>
<p><i>I like my games to be on discs with clunky, space-wasting boxes and manuals.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m the same way, but nearly all new PC games come in thin DVD sleeves with a puny manual, if they even include one. With Valve games, I just enter the product key into steam and chuck the box.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ferrari</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181662</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ferrari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be quite obsessed with NBA Live for a while, but that was years ago.  There was a community site where you could download up to date roosters: 5 seconds after Charles Barkley said in a post game interview that he had a bad night because his back hurt, someone would upload a patch with his rebound ability decreased.  
And because blocking was too easy, there was a patch that adjusted all block ratings for all players, making the game much more realistic. I like PCs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be quite obsessed with NBA Live for a while, but that was years ago.  There was a community site where you could download up to date roosters: 5 seconds after Charles Barkley said in a post game interview that he had a bad night because his back hurt, someone would upload a patch with his rebound ability decreased.<br />
And because blocking was too easy, there was a patch that adjusted all block ratings for all players, making the game much more realistic. I like PCs.</p>
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		<title>By: Stupoider</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181654</link>
		<dc:creator>Stupoider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who buys these EA Sports games?</description>
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		<title>By: Alchemda</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/01/ea-sports-abandon-physical-media-on-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-181633</link>
		<dc:creator>Alchemda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont even remember the last time I bought any PC game at retail.. Steam and D2D for almost all my games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont even remember the last time I bought any PC game at retail.. Steam and D2D for almost all my games.</p>
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		<title>By: Markoff Chaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markoff Chaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One on hand, I don&#039;t play sports games (does Blood Bowl count?) so it&#039;s not that big of a deal to me.  On another hand, EA has been doing some things better than they used to and that&#039;s to be supported, but not as long as they keep up their horrid practices with Digital Distribution.  I&#039;m all for digital distribution, but I never touched EA&#039;s service for the simple fact that you can only download your product for a set period of time.  While other distributors will go away eventually (&quot;On a long enough time line, everyone&#039;s life expectancy drops to zero.&quot;) at least Valve promises a way to let us keep what we paid for.  EA just hides in the corner grinning.

Poor First Sale Doctrine.  Content developers are working so hard to do away with it.  Soon enough there will be an exception and the Primary Licensee Doctrine will be law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One on hand, I don&#8217;t play sports games (does Blood Bowl count?) so it&#8217;s not that big of a deal to me.  On another hand, EA has been doing some things better than they used to and that&#8217;s to be supported, but not as long as they keep up their horrid practices with Digital Distribution.  I&#8217;m all for digital distribution, but I never touched EA&#8217;s service for the simple fact that you can only download your product for a set period of time.  While other distributors will go away eventually (&#8221;On a long enough time line, everyone&#8217;s life expectancy drops to zero.&#8221;) at least Valve promises a way to let us keep what we paid for.  EA just hides in the corner grinning.</p>
<p>Poor First Sale Doctrine.  Content developers are working so hard to do away with it.  Soon enough there will be an exception and the Primary Licensee Doctrine will be law.</p>
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