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		<title>By: Chaingun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaingun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve played the demo. John&#039;s right, it is a bit lacklustre. I wasn&#039;t impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve played the demo. John&#8217;s right, it is a bit lacklustre. I wasn&#8217;t impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: DK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the central theme of the game apparently being some smart-arses bickering about the vagaries of pseudo-science.&quot;
That&#039;s the best kind of central theme. What&#039;s so bad about having an alternative to &quot;Chosen One saves the world by kicking ass!&quot;?
Bring on the intellectual stuff I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the central theme of the game apparently being some smart-arses bickering about the vagaries of pseudo-science.&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s the best kind of central theme. What&#8217;s so bad about having an alternative to &#8220;Chosen One saves the world by kicking ass!&#8221;?<br />
Bring on the intellectual stuff I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Levictus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levictus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regards to the Anime hate:

Check out &quot;The Sky Crawlers&quot; or &quot;Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade&quot; for something that a typical hollywood production would never even attempt. 

As medium anime is  lot better suited for crazier projects, because it allows for greater creative freedom due to lower financial requirements. In hollywood, only a few people like Stanley Kubrick were able to get both total creative freedom and sufficient financial support to actually implement their creativity. Anime can change all of this!

However, I do agree the vast majority of anime is total crap, ranging from Pokemon to bland crap which recycles the same imagery/stereotypes over and over again. But if you guys want to check out some thought provoking anime, check out my anime list:

http://myanimelist.net/animelist/levictus

P.S. This game looks pretty bad, I have yet to find a game that uses anime graphics/style that was worth playing. Although I&#039;ve heard good things about &quot;Oni&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regards to the Anime hate:</p>
<p>Check out &#8220;The Sky Crawlers&#8221; or &#8220;Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade&#8221; for something that a typical hollywood production would never even attempt. </p>
<p>As medium anime is  lot better suited for crazier projects, because it allows for greater creative freedom due to lower financial requirements. In hollywood, only a few people like Stanley Kubrick were able to get both total creative freedom and sufficient financial support to actually implement their creativity. Anime can change all of this!</p>
<p>However, I do agree the vast majority of anime is total crap, ranging from Pokemon to bland crap which recycles the same imagery/stereotypes over and over again. But if you guys want to check out some thought provoking anime, check out my anime list:</p>
<p><a href="http://myanimelist.net/animelist/levictus" rel="nofollow">http://myanimelist.net/animelist/levictus</a></p>
<p>P.S. This game looks pretty bad, I have yet to find a game that uses anime graphics/style that was worth playing. Although I&#8217;ve heard good things about &#8220;Oni&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.President</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/29/pseudo-vegetables-science-girls-demo/comment-page-2/#comment-197658</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an opinion, not a review, and he dismissed it because it&#039;s, apparently, crap, and not because it&#039;s anime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an opinion, not a review, and he dismissed it because it&#8217;s, apparently, crap, and not because it&#8217;s anime.</p>
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		<title>By: lolcopter</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/29/pseudo-vegetables-science-girls-demo/comment-page-2/#comment-197652</link>
		<dc:creator>lolcopter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I would probably take the review more seriously if it wasn&#039;t like &quot;Yeah, cause it&#039;s anime, it sucks!&quot; You shouldn&#039;t even review the thing in the first place if you hate anime so much, because you will criticize &quot;Anime&quot; instead of the said game itself.

Science Girls is a good game. The idea is refreshing. It&#039;s a nice combination of &quot;RPG&quot; and &quot;Moe&quot;, without relying on fan service or violence--- which is something too common nowadays. If there&#039;s anything it lacks, it lacks story elements that go beyond girls defeating aliens. It&#039;s still fun to play and a bit challenging. It certainly doesn&#039;t deserve all this hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I would probably take the review more seriously if it wasn&#8217;t like &#8220;Yeah, cause it&#8217;s anime, it sucks!&#8221; You shouldn&#8217;t even review the thing in the first place if you hate anime so much, because you will criticize &#8220;Anime&#8221; instead of the said game itself.</p>
<p>Science Girls is a good game. The idea is refreshing. It&#8217;s a nice combination of &#8220;RPG&#8221; and &#8220;Moe&#8221;, without relying on fan service or violence&#8212; which is something too common nowadays. If there&#8217;s anything it lacks, it lacks story elements that go beyond girls defeating aliens. It&#8217;s still fun to play and a bit challenging. It certainly doesn&#8217;t deserve all this hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rest of the games on the publisher&#039;s site look absolutely extraordinary: http://www.winterwolves.com/

I expect someone will eventually manage to transplant a decent quality original Japanese visual novel type game to the Western market. Trying to clone them (particularly with no budget, horrible art and writing, etc.) seems like an exercise in futility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The rest of the games on the publisher&#8217;s site look absolutely extraordinary: <a href="http://www.winterwolves.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.winterwolves.com/</a></p>
<p>I expect someone will eventually manage to transplant a decent quality original Japanese visual novel type game to the Western market. Trying to clone them (particularly with no budget, horrible art and writing, etc.) seems like an exercise in futility.</p>
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		<title>By: EyeMessiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>EyeMessiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PREORDERED

FLCL is da bomb.  TTGL is awesome also.

Akira comes up a lot, and I love it, but its in a category of its own imho.  Its not really representative of anime generally, as many western fans find out when they hopelessly struggle to find something similar to watch after seeing Akira.  Every now and then some Japanese media poll gets translated with a top-100-anime-titles-of-all-time type thing, and in recent years there have been a few where Akira hasn&#039;t even made the list!

I&#039;m watching Ergo Proxy at the moment.  Its hit and miss for sure (what 20+ episode serial isn&#039;t, in any medium?), but there have been some great episodes, and the art is often quite nice.  I&#039;m looking forward to the next season of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu.  Also Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei was excellent.

Off the top of my head I have never played a good game based on an anime so I can&#039;t make this comment go on-topic.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PREORDERED</p>
<p>FLCL is da bomb.  TTGL is awesome also.</p>
<p>Akira comes up a lot, and I love it, but its in a category of its own imho.  Its not really representative of anime generally, as many western fans find out when they hopelessly struggle to find something similar to watch after seeing Akira.  Every now and then some Japanese media poll gets translated with a top-100-anime-titles-of-all-time type thing, and in recent years there have been a few where Akira hasn&#8217;t even made the list!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m watching Ergo Proxy at the moment.  Its hit and miss for sure (what 20+ episode serial isn&#8217;t, in any medium?), but there have been some great episodes, and the art is often quite nice.  I&#8217;m looking forward to the next season of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu.  Also Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei was excellent.</p>
<p>Off the top of my head I have never played a good game based on an anime so I can&#8217;t make this comment go on-topic.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: BlazerKnight</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/29/pseudo-vegetables-science-girls-demo/comment-page-1/#comment-197004</link>
		<dc:creator>BlazerKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Captain Haplo summed it up - manga and anime are mediums, which contain many genres, much of which will be irrelevant to your tastes. One man&#039;s trash, another man&#039;s treasure. If this article can polarize the RPS community&#039;s opinions, I&#039;m curious to see how you&#039;ll feel about &lt;a href=&quot;http://katawa-shoujo.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Katawa Shoujo&lt;/a&gt;, it is, wait for it... &quot;Katawa Shoujo is... well.. it&#039;s a western-made free doujin eroge (hentai game) centered around disabled girls.&quot; as described by the head writer. It&#039;s a curious project described further &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=18556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here (link NSFW!!)&lt;/a&gt;. Have fun tearing it apart as I know you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Captain Haplo summed it up &#8211; manga and anime are mediums, which contain many genres, much of which will be irrelevant to your tastes. One man&#8217;s trash, another man&#8217;s treasure. If this article can polarize the RPS community&#8217;s opinions, I&#8217;m curious to see how you&#8217;ll feel about <a href="http://katawa-shoujo.com/" rel="nofollow">Katawa Shoujo</a>, it is, wait for it&#8230; &#8220;Katawa Shoujo is&#8230; well.. it&#8217;s a western-made free doujin eroge (hentai game) centered around disabled girls.&#8221; as described by the head writer. It&#8217;s a curious project described further <a href="http://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=18556" rel="nofollow">here (link NSFW!!)</a>. Have fun tearing it apart as I know you will.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic Goo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonic Goo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To continue the comics derail, I myself am a big fan of the Meccano books by Hanco Kolk:
http://www.meccanoonline.com/
http://www.comichouse.nl/en/illustration/2d/kolk/
http://video.aol.com/category/tekenningen/entertainment/meccano
(warning, some NSFW in there)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To continue the comics derail, I myself am a big fan of the Meccano books by Hanco Kolk:<br />
<a href="http://www.meccanoonline.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.meccanoonline.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.comichouse.nl/en/illustration/2d/kolk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.comichouse.nl/en/illustration/2d/kolk/</a><br />
<a href="http://video.aol.com/category/tekenningen/entertainment/meccano" rel="nofollow">http://video.aol.com/category/tekenningen/entertainment/meccano</a><br />
(warning, some NSFW in there)</p>
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		<title>By: Bhazor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhazor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to anime I must bring up Sturgeons Law
&quot;90% of everything is crap&quot;

I totally loved Paranoia Agent, one of the strangest, bravest and thoughtiest tv series I&#039;ve ever seen. But for every Paranoia theres ten Battle Vixens and Dragon Ball Z spin offs. You can never dismiss a whole medium/genre because sooner or later you&#039;ll find something which single handedly justifies its whole existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to anime I must bring up Sturgeons Law<br />
&#8220;90% of everything is crap&#8221;</p>
<p>I totally loved Paranoia Agent, one of the strangest, bravest and thoughtiest tv series I&#8217;ve ever seen. But for every Paranoia theres ten Battle Vixens and Dragon Ball Z spin offs. You can never dismiss a whole medium/genre because sooner or later you&#8217;ll find something which single handedly justifies its whole existence.</p>
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		<title>By: mihor_fego</title>
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		<dc:creator>mihor_fego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manga and Anime are actually two different mediums, the former being the printed Japanese comics, the second the cartoons. What most of us westerners seem to overlook is that a consistent drawing style doesn&#039;t necessarily translate to similar themes or plot.

Our comics also range from Disney&#039;s anthropomorphism to the mainstream superhero comic style, reaching extremes of hardcore porn like Druuna. The main difference with manga is that we tend to draw more realistic when we refer to a more mature or adult audience, while Japanese artists follow the same norms whatever their target groups.

The thing is most of us that grew up on superhero comics throughout our pre-teens soon got bored of the body and costume stereotypes found therein and the politically correctness of the heroes. Vertigo was a way out before the manga &quot;invasion&quot;, but most found in many of the Japanese titles the same characteristics.

A very important factor was that we are a generation that grew playing video games and even if you never owned a console (like me), you&#039;d probably play arcade games. These, coming from the Japanese market, had character design heavily influenced by manga and anime.

It&#039;s true that manga cliches as the schoolgirl uniform have become annoying, but I believe the western comic stereotype of the female hero is equally irritating. The difference is the school uniform seems to be a lot more offensive than the chain mail bikinis or latex superhero uniforms. Both are references to extremes of sexual behavior, pederasty and sadomasochism, but it&#039;s natural (thank God!) that the first is unacceptable.

Being critical of both, I cannot condemn the international comic industry as a whole when it has produced titles as Sandman, Preacher, Strangers in Paradise, Akira or Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind. It&#039;s the public&#039;s responsibility to push those mediums towards good stories and abandoning their stereotypes.

Come to think of it, I guess it&#039;s hopeless if you see where Hollywood movies have been led to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manga and Anime are actually two different mediums, the former being the printed Japanese comics, the second the cartoons. What most of us westerners seem to overlook is that a consistent drawing style doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate to similar themes or plot.</p>
<p>Our comics also range from Disney&#8217;s anthropomorphism to the mainstream superhero comic style, reaching extremes of hardcore porn like Druuna. The main difference with manga is that we tend to draw more realistic when we refer to a more mature or adult audience, while Japanese artists follow the same norms whatever their target groups.</p>
<p>The thing is most of us that grew up on superhero comics throughout our pre-teens soon got bored of the body and costume stereotypes found therein and the politically correctness of the heroes. Vertigo was a way out before the manga &#8220;invasion&#8221;, but most found in many of the Japanese titles the same characteristics.</p>
<p>A very important factor was that we are a generation that grew playing video games and even if you never owned a console (like me), you&#8217;d probably play arcade games. These, coming from the Japanese market, had character design heavily influenced by manga and anime.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that manga cliches as the schoolgirl uniform have become annoying, but I believe the western comic stereotype of the female hero is equally irritating. The difference is the school uniform seems to be a lot more offensive than the chain mail bikinis or latex superhero uniforms. Both are references to extremes of sexual behavior, pederasty and sadomasochism, but it&#8217;s natural (thank God!) that the first is unacceptable.</p>
<p>Being critical of both, I cannot condemn the international comic industry as a whole when it has produced titles as Sandman, Preacher, Strangers in Paradise, Akira or Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind. It&#8217;s the public&#8217;s responsibility to push those mediums towards good stories and abandoning their stereotypes.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, I guess it&#8217;s hopeless if you see where Hollywood movies have been led to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Azazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience of Anime is thus: Akira and Metropolis.

Generally I don&#039;t have much of a facination with Japanese pop culture, but those two films *were* pretty fucking amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience of Anime is thus: Akira and Metropolis.</p>
<p>Generally I don&#8217;t have much of a facination with Japanese pop culture, but those two films *were* pretty fucking amazing.</p>
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