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		<title>By: Kieron Gillen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieron Gillen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who were wondering: I was planning on reading The Idiot or (Ukranian, admitedly) Master &amp; Margurita. I ended up reading Simons/Burn&#039;s The Corner.

KG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who were wondering: I was planning on reading The Idiot or (Ukranian, admitedly) Master &#038; Margurita. I ended up reading Simons/Burn&#8217;s The Corner.</p>
<p>KG</p>
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		<title>By: Gap Gen</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-199118</link>
		<dc:creator>Gap Gen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does AP-style mean Associated Press or Amiga Power? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does AP-style mean Associated Press or Amiga Power? :P</p>
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		<title>By: Rei Onryou</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197909</link>
		<dc:creator>Rei Onryou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leigh hit the nail on the head for me. Marketing/PR seem to &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; they know what&#039;s best, but that usually just means they know what will sell a game regardless of its  credibility. Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Marge sells real estate:

Marge: &quot;It&#039;s awfully small.&quot;
Lionel Hutz: &quot;I&#039;d say its awfully &lt;i&gt;cosy&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;
M: &quot;That&#039;s dilapidated.&quot;
LH: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Rustic&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;
M: &quot;That house is on fire!&quot;
LH: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Motivated seller&lt;/i&gt;!&quot;


The Escapist articles were really good and show just how useful games can be. Why I&#039;d never have passed my History GCSE without Red Alert.

Congratulations to Poisoned Sponge with the column. Hail to the indies, baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leigh hit the nail on the head for me. Marketing/PR seem to <i>think</i> they know what&#8217;s best, but that usually just means they know what will sell a game regardless of its  credibility. Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Marge sells real estate:</p>
<p>Marge: &#8220;It&#8217;s awfully small.&#8221;<br />
Lionel Hutz: &#8220;I&#8217;d say its awfully <i>cosy</i>.&#8221;<br />
M: &#8220;That&#8217;s dilapidated.&#8221;<br />
LH: &#8220;<i>Rustic</i>.&#8221;<br />
M: &#8220;That house is on fire!&#8221;<br />
LH: &#8220;<i>Motivated seller</i>!&#8221;</p>
<p>The Escapist articles were really good and show just how useful games can be. Why I&#8217;d never have passed my History GCSE without Red Alert.</p>
<p>Congratulations to Poisoned Sponge with the column. Hail to the indies, baby!</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197764</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>solipsistnation: Wow, I&#039;d forgotten all about keyboard overlays. How come they don&#039;t make those any more? I suppose because keyboards aren&#039;t standardised any more.

Also, auto-docking is cheating! Real players do it manually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>solipsistnation: Wow, I&#8217;d forgotten all about keyboard overlays. How come they don&#8217;t make those any more? I suppose because keyboards aren&#8217;t standardised any more.</p>
<p>Also, auto-docking is cheating! Real players do it manually.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It accuses the press of corruption in a more systemic sense, like you said, but the implications are still there.  &quot;The press only care about readership figures and will do anything to increase them&quot; is the basic argument, and it&#039;s not one I like at all.

And yeah, probably, what he&#039;s writing about is pretty awful reporting.  But he&#039;s assuming that&#039;s widespread, general practice, which from my experience it really, really is not.  Even if it was, his infantile, personally-abusive manner immediately turns me against him.  Not fond at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It accuses the press of corruption in a more systemic sense, like you said, but the implications are still there.  &#8220;The press only care about readership figures and will do anything to increase them&#8221; is the basic argument, and it&#8217;s not one I like at all.</p>
<p>And yeah, probably, what he&#8217;s writing about is pretty awful reporting.  But he&#8217;s assuming that&#8217;s widespread, general practice, which from my experience it really, really is not.  Even if it was, his infantile, personally-abusive manner immediately turns me against him.  Not fond at all.</p>
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		<title>By: James T</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197704</link>
		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh look, an &quot;is it&quot;...

He has some awful, infantile rhetorical habits, but he&#039;s right.  &quot;Accusing it yet again of corruption&quot;?  He&#039;s aptly describing the funding model of corporate gaming sites and the shallowness of Kotaku-scale blogs.  It&#039;s &lt;b&gt;systemic&lt;/b&gt; corruption -- it&#039;s market failure, it&#039;s system failure.  There&#039;s no &quot;envelopes of cash are being exchanged under a table&quot; here. (And the article&#039;s not reportage.  And &quot;the worst possible reporting&quot; is... well, the worst possible reporting is what he&#039;s writing &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt;, not what he&#039;s written).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh look, an &#8220;is it&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>He has some awful, infantile rhetorical habits, but he&#8217;s right.  &#8220;Accusing it yet again of corruption&#8221;?  He&#8217;s aptly describing the funding model of corporate gaming sites and the shallowness of Kotaku-scale blogs.  It&#8217;s <b>systemic</b> corruption &#8212; it&#8217;s market failure, it&#8217;s system failure.  There&#8217;s no &#8220;envelopes of cash are being exchanged under a table&#8221; here. (And the article&#8217;s not reportage.  And &#8220;the worst possible reporting&#8221; is&#8230; well, the worst possible reporting is what he&#8217;s writing <i>about</i>, not what he&#8217;s written).</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only it&#039;s not good at all, is it?  It&#039;s immature, overly general, insubstantiated nonsense that tarrs everyone in the press with the same ugly brush.  It also, on a basic level, simply regularly lies.

I agree that there is a problem with the current state of &lt;i&gt;reporting&lt;/i&gt; within the videogame press.  Absolutely.  I think it has to acknowledge a real responsibility towards its readership first and foremost, and learn not to play up to the demands of publisher PR.  It should certainly be more independent and analytical.  But to accuse it - &lt;i&gt;yet again&lt;/i&gt; - of corruption is terribly offensive to the people who dedicate their professional lives to this sort of stuff.  And to attack reporters on a personal level, which the article does, is the worst possible reporting you can get.

It&#039;s right about having game pages up even if there&#039;s very little information available on the game, I&#039;ll give it that much.  I hardly think that&#039;s the biggest problem, though.

EDIT: That guy&#039;s most recent post refers to people who don&#039;t like scores on reviews as &quot;pseudo-intellectuals or artfags.&quot; That&#039;s the level we&#039;re dealing with.  Versus Leigh Alexander, one of the most highly respected - &lt;i&gt;for a reason&lt;/i&gt; - videogame reporters in the world. Come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only it&#8217;s not good at all, is it?  It&#8217;s immature, overly general, insubstantiated nonsense that tarrs everyone in the press with the same ugly brush.  It also, on a basic level, simply regularly lies.</p>
<p>I agree that there is a problem with the current state of <i>reporting</i> within the videogame press.  Absolutely.  I think it has to acknowledge a real responsibility towards its readership first and foremost, and learn not to play up to the demands of publisher PR.  It should certainly be more independent and analytical.  But to accuse it &#8211; <i>yet again</i> &#8211; of corruption is terribly offensive to the people who dedicate their professional lives to this sort of stuff.  And to attack reporters on a personal level, which the article does, is the worst possible reporting you can get.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s right about having game pages up even if there&#8217;s very little information available on the game, I&#8217;ll give it that much.  I hardly think that&#8217;s the biggest problem, though.</p>
<p>EDIT: That guy&#8217;s most recent post refers to people who don&#8217;t like scores on reviews as &#8220;pseudo-intellectuals or artfags.&#8221; That&#8217;s the level we&#8217;re dealing with.  Versus Leigh Alexander, one of the most highly respected &#8211; <i>for a reason</i> &#8211; videogame reporters in the world. Come on.</p>
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		<title>By: James T</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197676</link>
		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Especially because the accepted term is “sodomological.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The study of sodomy?

Excellent link, SheC, (except where he gets all self-regarding about how &quot;this will blow your mind!&quot;, but still, excellent.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Especially because the accepted term is “sodomological.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The study of sodomy?</p>
<p>Excellent link, SheC, (except where he gets all self-regarding about how &#8220;this will blow your mind!&#8221;, but still, excellent.)</p>
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		<title>By: SwiftRanger</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwiftRanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Morpheus is talking. The conspiracy is real!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Morpheus is talking. The conspiracy is real!</p>
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		<title>By: SheC</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197609</link>
		<dc:creator>SheC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Videogame PR and news explained far better and earlier here.

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/the_videogame_news_racket/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Videogame PR and news explained far better and earlier here.</p>
<p><a href="http://insomnia.ac/commentary/the_videogame_news_racket/" rel="nofollow">http://insomnia.ac/commentary/the_videogame_news_racket/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Orange</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/05/31/the-sunday-papers-70/comment-page-2/#comment-197585</link>
		<dc:creator>Orange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Final Fantasy covers really were brilliant, as good as the  contents themselves. Wouldn&#039;t mind making a collage of them, if I&#039;ve got any left in my book shelf.

Great piece of nostalgia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Final Fantasy covers really were brilliant, as good as the  contents themselves. Wouldn&#8217;t mind making a collage of them, if I&#8217;ve got any left in my book shelf.</p>
<p>Great piece of nostalgia.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 22:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin: I didn&#039;t spot it at Gamasutra, actually - it does strike me as an odd one to cross-post there.  GSW has a slightly different audience, though, coming at games from a more societal approach.  I think it&#039;s a good introduction to his column, and I look forward to reading more of them.

Meanwhile, I continue to try think of a name for my own fotnightly column over there, which commences soon, kids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin: I didn&#8217;t spot it at Gamasutra, actually &#8211; it does strike me as an odd one to cross-post there.  GSW has a slightly different audience, though, coming at games from a more societal approach.  I think it&#8217;s a good introduction to his column, and I look forward to reading more of them.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I continue to try think of a name for my own fotnightly column over there, which commences soon, kids!</p>
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