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and the ONE AND ONLY thing im praying for…………..which i pray for in every game.

WHERE BE FLAMETHROWER!!!

PLEASE VALVE!!! HEAR ME!!!!

FLAMETHROWER PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

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Lets say just for shits and giggles, we just go off of my past 2 weeks. (that 12 hours was done in 2 sittings by the way.) Average cost of a movie ticket: 10$ Cost of popcorn for a large tub? Oh look, 6 dollars (rip off), price for a large drink? 4 dollars. (wtf right?) HOW LONG IS THAT MOVIE? 3 hours. I just payed 20 bucks…for a 3 hour experiance. ok so lets do some quick math. I played 12 hours this week. Divide that by 3. OMG WE HAVE 4. Ok so 4 times the cost of a movie by yourself…80$. 80 dollars, no tax, no 4.99 bs. K?

Following me so far?

Game time for a single session of l4d? 50 bucks. JUST FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES, lets say I bought it JUST for the one game play of 12 hours. Right off the bat we are 30 bucks under. I could do more math, but how much popcorn and soda could I buy at a discount store like winco foods or costco with 30 bucks? I can guarentee that it is more than a 24oz soft drink and a bucket of popcorn.
Lets go on shall we.
I just looked at Batman the dark knight on Amazon, one of the cheaper places to get things and I saw one for 21 dollars.
Each time I play this move in my (horrible expesnive bluray player name *HERE*) it is the same movie. Every time. No matter what.
Every time I play L4D, it is close, so I can get into a groove, but everytime the level changes, as do the situations, the enemy spawns, and even who I am playing with and their personalities. I can guarentee that I won’t get the replayability at release of a brand new 60 dollar blu ray disk as a 50 dollar game.
EVEN if they don’t do ANYTHING more on l4d1, you can get more replayability out of it than any 60 dollar movie, 10 dollar movie ticket which is a one time go jacked up price, or normal platform game with a “great” story. Even MGS4, which I have played twice through, only gives me 32 total hours, and doesn’t have dynamic gameplay, nor does it have a integrated mutiplayer aspect that forces me to constantly change.

So next time you are thinking “50 bucks for a brand new game and hundreds of hours of high quality gameplay and co op experiance? INSANE” Compare it to the alternatives in the world.

Zen Zombie. That is my steam account, feel free to find me on l4d almost every night that I can. Currently my name is clang*`

See ya when Zday hits.

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Sounds good to me.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=898853

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The answers are pretty obvious.”

You are dead wrong there, they will run to Left 4 Dead, as that has been exactly what happened after L4D 1, Team Fortress 2 even back with Counter-Strike Condition Zero.

Apparently not that many server owners dislike Valve and they really can get away with LOTS AND LOTS.

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20 maps… yeah, a bugged gameplay. Come on, you can’t be serious. It’s not our greed, it’s theirs! Releasing Left 4 Dead 2 this soon can only be seen as greed on their side. Left 4 Dead 1 isn’t even ‘done’ yet. Valve even admits that they want to continue to tweak and update it for a lot longer.

No offense, but Valve should be working on Half-life 3 and a new engine right about now instead of trying to prolong the Source engine’s life beyond what makes sense.

Team Fortress 2, art direction aside, looks like last gen crap. Left 4 Dead 1 really doesn’t look a lot better even though it has a better style. If Left 4 Dead 2 has anything but a new engine, I’m not going to buy it.

If I want good gameplay, but mediocre graphics, I’ll play Day of Defeat: source instead.

Of course, the basic premise of Left 4 Dead is pretty damn good, so I did expect a Left 4 Dead 2, but their timing is off by about a year.

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As a server owner, I support L4D by paying for 4 West Coast servers out of my own pocket that have had in total roughly 17000 players since they were started 4 months ago. As well, I work for a server company that provides numerous servers for TF2, L4D, CS:S and other Valve games.

One disturbing trend I have seen is the daily cancellation of L4D servers. Since the ‘Survival Pack’ the company I work for has seen a 70% increase in server cancellations of servers that service Central North America and the West Coast. That number increases daily.

The biggest drop was right after the ‘Survival Pack’ when people began to realize how minor the changes actually were. Most people played Survival mode until they got the achievements and then moved back to Co-op or Versus. We lost 45% of the servers within days of that release.

The second spike was right after the news about L4D2. That was about 20% of the servers. The other 5% has been just due to attrition since the DLC was released.

Now, obviously there have been new servers started, but the total loss of server coverage totals about 70% in the company I work for, and I work for a shitty little hole in the wall no one even knows about. In actual numbers that means about 110 servers are now shut down in the past couple months with my employer alone. I wonder how this has affected Gameservers or Darkstar.

I should mention that most of the people canceling servers have been very vocal about why they’re canceling them, and I agree with the majority of their reasons, especially about the release of L4D2.

So, I pose this question to you, do you think splitting the games community base will increase or decrease the number of servers for both games?

Secondly, do you think server owners that are canceling their servers will be rushing out to start a L4D2 server after they feel that they’ve been burned by Valve?

The answers are pretty obvious.

All you flame-baiters screaming about the boycott group being a bunch of whining retards might want to think about that, because without the server owners, you’d have no where to play either game.

As for myself, I don’t have any choice but to ‘get’ the game since it’s purchased for me by my employer for troubleshooting and testing. However, I’ll be shutting down my servers the day L4D2 is released unless both games can be serviced by a single server and other significant issues about the release of L4D2 are satisfactorily dealt with by Valve.

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And once again misses the point:

“Some in the community are concerned that the announcement of L4D2 implied a change in our plans for L4D1. We aren’t changing our plans for L4D1.”

That they haven’t changed their plans is exactly the problem, since so far, their plans have been “bugfixes, but none of the promised DLC”. We want to see a change in plans. We want their plans to be changed to “let’s give them the new campaigns and other content we promised”.

In his defense, he does mention that

In addition to the recently released Survival Pack, we are releasing authoring tools for Mod makers, community matchmaking, 4×4 matchmaking, and more new content during the coming months for L4D1

which is nice, but it seems awfully suspicious that he goes into detail about the matchmaking and modding changes, but says *nothing* about what he means by “new content”.

Is it really so hard, if you intend to add new campaigns, to go out and say “we still intend to add new campaigns to L4D”?

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