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The Sunday Papers

Posted by Kieron Gillen on June 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pm.

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Sundays are for sitting and compiling a list of interesting gaming reading from across the week, and finding myself remembering that the chatter by games journalists about a fall in standards is just ludicrous. We’d have been lucky to get pieces as splendid and varied as the ones gathered here in a whole year in the early nineties, let alone in a single fucking week. Wouldn’t it be good if someone would admit that games writing has never, ever been better than it is right here, right now? Wouldn’t it? WOULDN’T IT? AS IF A FUCKING TYPO IN A GAMESPOT PREVIEW MATTERS AT ALL IN THE LARGER SCALE OF CUNTING THINGS AND… oh, I better not include a link to a pop song.

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  1. Paul says:

    @Kadiya – “I have a lot of time for you K, but an occasional sense of humility wouldn’t go amiss. ‘Shouting at people’ LOL, very Prima donna”.
    Are you serious?
    I just don’t know how you can hear yourself think with all the ‘wooshing’. ;)

  2. Jayteh says:

    Thanks for all the links Kieron, I guess I was behind on my reading.

  3. Lewis says:

    I do have to wonder how many of the “anti-NGJ” crowd actually read Kieron’s essay in full.

    It’s pretty basic stuff, guys. It’s been out there for ages, there’s just an increasing trend towards it. And all it is is experiential writing about games. It’s not about verbal masturbation or ego-stroking. Just “this is what happened when I played the game.” I don’t know what’s so awful about that, particularly since KG pointed out pretty strongly (perhaps too many words into the essay for some?) that there is no way in the great world that it should replace any of what’s already out there.

    Bye.

  4. Lewis says:

    (It’s actually probably closer to traditional “reporting” than pretty much anything else games journalism has.)

  5. James T: That’s some shitty pretentious writing being labelled NGJ. Assuming that *is* what the idea means is wrong.

  6. Lewis says:

    I’m increasingly enjoying Ready-Up. There’s some really interesting and insightful stuff on there now and then.

    (Additionally, it appears to be written by a disproportionately large number of attractive women. Just sayin’.)

  7. kadayi says:

    @Ging, Howard, Paul

    Perhaps when you get jobs you’ll find out how effective ’shouting at people’ is in the work place is, especially at the very people who pay your wage.

  8. Gap Gen says:

    Actually, the point “only describe what happened in the game” is an interesting one. My sister became annoyed with a review/preview of Oblivion that described what I think the writer was extrapolating from the situation, rather than what was actually in the game. But this is probably more a technical point rather than a style one.

    Of course, I’m totally breaking that rule right now (me, and a sweary Charles Dickens). But then that is the role of stylistic rules.

  9. Reader-tip Number 23865: When a section is written in a humourous style and even labeled ironic, you perhaps shouldn’t treat it as literal.

    KG

  10. Lewis says:

    I think extrapolating from a situation can be useful but you’ve to be careful when you use it. It’s all about context. As all of this is. It’s not about going off on one all the time. It’s not about changing what’s already there. It’s just a possible new way of looking at things. A possible new avenue for it to take alongside the traditional stuff. Christ, what is it, five years since Kieron wrote this? And the debate still rages on? What the hell is wrong with you people?

    *calms down*

  11. Chris Evans says:

    I can’t believe Kad is still trying to argue this. I see where KG is coming from re: byline and stuff and agree with how he handles things.

  12. Kadayi says:

    @K

    I kid, I kid ;)

    Incidentally did you ever carry out that Darkfall re-review? I looked but I can’t see it…

    @Evo

    Argue? Having a different opinion about professional standards and handling things isn’t arguing.

  13. Gap Gen says:

    @Lewis: And indeed, like I said, NGJ has been around for ages inside reviews and so on. The style as a whole article in itself is possibly a bit newer, but writing in first person about games is not that new. That said, like Putty says, audiences differ, and I was fortunate enough to grow up reading PC Gamer UK, which was always a little anarchic compared to magazines with more technical styles.

  14. Ging says:

    @Kadayi Perhaps you’re taking the term “shouting” too literally?

    Cheers for the personal jibe re not yet having a job by the way – grand way to show maturity and keep the discussion at least vaguely civil.

  15. Jonas says:

    Hey Kieron, what did come of that Darkfall thing at EG? I was just over there looking for your re-review since you mentioned it, but it doesn’t seem to be up yet, are you still working on it to make sure you won’t be accused of not playing it long enough, or did Tom change his mind? :-)

  16. Jonas: In progress.

    KG

  17. Jonas says:

    Cool, looking forward to seeing how much your review differs from Mr. Zitron’s.

  18. Kadayi says:

    [Editing your trolling to look less unreasonable and more martyred really doesn't achieve anything. Shh. - RPS]

  19. Alec Meer says:

    Step down now, Kadayi. Everyone else – yes, he’s behaved poorly here, but move along now. Better things to talk about.

  20. Gap Gen says:

    RoBurky’s Sims thing is ace. It’s a really nice idea with good execution.

  21. Funky Badger says:

    The Hive’s view on professional standards seem fairly consistent with my experiences in a different industry. e.g. I give my considered expert opinion, if the powers that be decide they want me to do something differently I point out how I disagree, get them to sign it off and once my back’s covered then I do what they asked me. As the man said, its their money, not mine.

    Seems eminently sensible, what else is a professional to do?

  22. Funky Badger says:

    Reading back now the embers have died, seems everyone was pretty much saying the same thing…

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