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		<title>By: Hypocee</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-236389</link>
		<dc:creator>Hypocee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 01:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As this is the public place where I poured out my tale of woe, it&#039;s only fair to note that as of yesterday my Steam account is working. Two weeks ago I threatened to damn the torpedoes and execute chargebacks on all of my previous purchases, but I suspect that&#039;s coincidental. Yesterday they gave me a phone number, I arranged a conference call with the bank, and the mistake was (at least provisionally) cleared up in a half hour. The person in Valve&#039;s dispute department, who I didn&#039;t realise at the time was almost certainly the same one who had left me twisting in the wind for five months, was kind enough in person to give me the benefit of the doubt and unlock my account without me asking. Assuming GlobalCollect, Valve&#039;s credit card payment processor, acknowledges their mistake I appear to have access to all my stuff again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As this is the public place where I poured out my tale of woe, it&#8217;s only fair to note that as of yesterday my Steam account is working. Two weeks ago I threatened to damn the torpedoes and execute chargebacks on all of my previous purchases, but I suspect that&#8217;s coincidental. Yesterday they gave me a phone number, I arranged a conference call with the bank, and the mistake was (at least provisionally) cleared up in a half hour. The person in Valve&#8217;s dispute department, who I didn&#8217;t realise at the time was almost certainly the same one who had left me twisting in the wind for five months, was kind enough in person to give me the benefit of the doubt and unlock my account without me asking. Assuming GlobalCollect, Valve&#8217;s credit card payment processor, acknowledges their mistake I appear to have access to all my stuff again.</p>
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		<title>By: uffda</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-218104</link>
		<dc:creator>uffda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was fine with CD checks--until Civ 4. I couldn&#039;t get the game to start consistently on two different laptops. I finally broke down and used the cracks to get it started.

I think it&#039;s a heat issue. If I&#039;d just booted up, I could usually get it to work without any hassle. If the laptop had been running for a while, it usually wouldn&#039;t work. Wouldn&#039;t be such a problem on my desktop, but then again I don&#039;t play the game on my desktop.

I&#039;m ambivalent about Steam. I&#039;ve had far fewer problems with them, but I am leery of what happens when they stop supporting old games, get bought or sold or go out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was fine with CD checks&#8211;until Civ 4. I couldn&#8217;t get the game to start consistently on two different laptops. I finally broke down and used the cracks to get it started.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a heat issue. If I&#8217;d just booted up, I could usually get it to work without any hassle. If the laptop had been running for a while, it usually wouldn&#8217;t work. Wouldn&#8217;t be such a problem on my desktop, but then again I don&#8217;t play the game on my desktop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ambivalent about Steam. I&#8217;ve had far fewer problems with them, but I am leery of what happens when they stop supporting old games, get bought or sold or go out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: RagManX</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-217881</link>
		<dc:creator>RagManX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve purchased several games simply and only because they came without copy protection.  Sins of a Solar Empire, while I&#039;m sure is a great game, is something I&#039;ll probably never play just because I don&#039;t have time.  But I bought it because it comes from a great publisher who ships without copy protection.  My copy is still sealed - I bought it to support a company which does good for the customer.

I&#039;ve lost 2 DVD burners to Starforce, so no longer install (or even buy) games with Starforce.  I don&#039;t care what the company says, I lost one drive 2 days after installing a Starforce &quot;protected&quot; game, then after a complete system reformat and reload, lost another DVD burner 2 days after I installed the same game again.  No longer will I install that game.  :(

I bought Bioshock before I knew it had copy protection.  Still have a sealed collector&#039;s edition for the PC that I set aside once I found out about that.  Now when possible, I buy via Impulse, Steam, Reflexive, Big Fish, etc., or I buy independent games direct from the creators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve purchased several games simply and only because they came without copy protection.  Sins of a Solar Empire, while I&#8217;m sure is a great game, is something I&#8217;ll probably never play just because I don&#8217;t have time.  But I bought it because it comes from a great publisher who ships without copy protection.  My copy is still sealed &#8211; I bought it to support a company which does good for the customer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost 2 DVD burners to Starforce, so no longer install (or even buy) games with Starforce.  I don&#8217;t care what the company says, I lost one drive 2 days after installing a Starforce &#8220;protected&#8221; game, then after a complete system reformat and reload, lost another DVD burner 2 days after I installed the same game again.  No longer will I install that game.  :(</p>
<p>I bought Bioshock before I knew it had copy protection.  Still have a sealed collector&#8217;s edition for the PC that I set aside once I found out about that.  Now when possible, I buy via Impulse, Steam, Reflexive, Big Fish, etc., or I buy independent games direct from the creators.</p>
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		<title>By: jalf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John: Whooooah, who&#039;s stealing cash?

Yes, the corporations obviously have the right to protect their profits. But we also have the right to not buy their product.
And if the way they &quot;protect profit&quot; is by lowering the value of the product (while keeping the same prices), then that does not encourage people to buy the game. And a game that can be activated 3 times is less valuable than one you can play forever.

In most industries, it is accepted that the way to encourage people to buy your product is to give you more for your money. Apparently, in the games industry, it is commonly thought that giving you *less* is a better approach.

Ultimately, the best way to avoid being robbed is to close your shop entirely. That is pretty much the way DRM is trying to go. Rather than encourage people to pay for the game, they try to discourage people from getting it for free. Which is fine, if you&#039;re willing to end up with zero customers. If you want a nonzero income, you need to work on the other half, actually making your product worth buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John: Whooooah, who&#8217;s stealing cash?</p>
<p>Yes, the corporations obviously have the right to protect their profits. But we also have the right to not buy their product.<br />
And if the way they &#8220;protect profit&#8221; is by lowering the value of the product (while keeping the same prices), then that does not encourage people to buy the game. And a game that can be activated 3 times is less valuable than one you can play forever.</p>
<p>In most industries, it is accepted that the way to encourage people to buy your product is to give you more for your money. Apparently, in the games industry, it is commonly thought that giving you *less* is a better approach.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the best way to avoid being robbed is to close your shop entirely. That is pretty much the way DRM is trying to go. Rather than encourage people to pay for the game, they try to discourage people from getting it for free. Which is fine, if you&#8217;re willing to end up with zero customers. If you want a nonzero income, you need to work on the other half, actually making your product worth buying.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ashcroft</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-217823</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ashcroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as pimply virgins keep stealing the cash from these corporations, I think they have every right to initiate attempts to protect profit. How many people have actually run into problems with limited activations anyway? I bet people who whine are the same sort of lose who calls them self an anarchist yet pays their taxes like the rest of us. Little b*stards!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as pimply virgins keep stealing the cash from these corporations, I think they have every right to initiate attempts to protect profit. How many people have actually run into problems with limited activations anyway? I bet people who whine are the same sort of lose who calls them self an anarchist yet pays their taxes like the rest of us. Little b*stards!</p>
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		<title>By: Monele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 09:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very recent example for me happened yesterday: I was going to buy Emerald City Confidential but then, after some help reading, realized it had online authentification and limited reinstalls. Great thing since I&#039;m about to go on vacation at my parents&#039; and the one computer that can run the game (XP required) is not connected to the Internet. That&#039;s not encouraging :&#124;. I&#039;m holding my purchase until they release a boxed DRM-less version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very recent example for me happened yesterday: I was going to buy Emerald City Confidential but then, after some help reading, realized it had online authentification and limited reinstalls. Great thing since I&#8217;m about to go on vacation at my parents&#8217; and the one computer that can run the game (XP required) is not connected to the Internet. That&#8217;s not encouraging :|. I&#8217;m holding my purchase until they release a boxed DRM-less version.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-216402</link>
		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one person every five posts judging by the mininova comment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one person every five posts judging by the mininova comment section.</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/07/01/questions-your-drm-habits/comment-page-5/#comment-216400</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the best question would be, &quot;How many people bought a game because they were unable to pirate it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the best question would be, &#8220;How many people bought a game because they were unable to pirate it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I let every program I ever installed to launch on startup and sit around eating 100MB of RAM whether I was using it or not I would have no RAM left to even run a web browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I let every program I ever installed to launch on startup and sit around eating 100MB of RAM whether I was using it or not I would have no RAM left to even run a web browser.</p>
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		<title>By: invisiblejesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>invisiblejesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re running a machine of that caliber and you&#039;re sweating 100mb of ram?</description>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of the hardcore anti-DRM people.  If a game has DRM I pirate it.  If it has no DRM then I buy it, even if I&#039;m only remotely interested.  Of course, this means I pretty much only buy Indie Games anymore.  :(

For the Steam lovers... launching TF2 on a Quad-Core machine running off a 4-drive striped RAID array takes 45 seconds from when I double click TF2 shortcut on my desktop until TF2 actually shows up as a process in task manager.  That time is spent launching Steam (which I don&#039;t leave running since it hordes 100MB+ of RAM) and then validating my copy of TF2.  This doesn&#039;t even count the time taken for TF2 to actually do it&#039;s own loading process.  If that isn&#039;t intrusive DRM I don&#039;t know what is.  It&#039;s worse than 45 seconds of unskippable intro videos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the hardcore anti-DRM people.  If a game has DRM I pirate it.  If it has no DRM then I buy it, even if I&#8217;m only remotely interested.  Of course, this means I pretty much only buy Indie Games anymore.  :(</p>
<p>For the Steam lovers&#8230; launching TF2 on a Quad-Core machine running off a 4-drive striped RAID array takes 45 seconds from when I double click TF2 shortcut on my desktop until TF2 actually shows up as a process in task manager.  That time is spent launching Steam (which I don&#8217;t leave running since it hordes 100MB+ of RAM) and then validating my copy of TF2.  This doesn&#8217;t even count the time taken for TF2 to actually do it&#8217;s own loading process.  If that isn&#8217;t intrusive DRM I don&#8217;t know what is.  It&#8217;s worse than 45 seconds of unskippable intro videos.</p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while the limited activations of anno 1404 tages system is admittedly straight from the devil&#039;s asshole, has anyone else noticed that the tages drm seems to be *so far* working?

when a big pc game i&#039;m interested in is released, i usually check to see how long before it&#039;s cracked and leaking like a perforated slug all over the internet. (a morbid curiosity, i actually pay for my games). 

i&#039;m sure you can google this intrigue yourselves, but it&#039;s been a week and a number of the big cracking superstars have already admitted defeat. the comment sections of certain sites make for particularly delicious reading.

too soon to call a victory for sure. but for a game like this to put up a fight for this long against such a concentrated effort (and due to it&#039;s &quot;10&#039;s of thousands of small checks throughout the game&quot; is uncrackable by conventional methods) is surely worth something noting.

the 3 activation limit is surely to prevent local piracy, i doubt ubi even in their wildest dreams thought tages would be this affective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while the limited activations of anno 1404 tages system is admittedly straight from the devil&#8217;s asshole, has anyone else noticed that the tages drm seems to be *so far* working?</p>
<p>when a big pc game i&#8217;m interested in is released, i usually check to see how long before it&#8217;s cracked and leaking like a perforated slug all over the internet. (a morbid curiosity, i actually pay for my games). </p>
<p>i&#8217;m sure you can google this intrigue yourselves, but it&#8217;s been a week and a number of the big cracking superstars have already admitted defeat. the comment sections of certain sites make for particularly delicious reading.</p>
<p>too soon to call a victory for sure. but for a game like this to put up a fight for this long against such a concentrated effort (and due to it&#8217;s &#8220;10&#8217;s of thousands of small checks throughout the game&#8221; is uncrackable by conventional methods) is surely worth something noting.</p>
<p>the 3 activation limit is surely to prevent local piracy, i doubt ubi even in their wildest dreams thought tages would be this affective.</p>
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