Comments on: L4D Crash Course Release Date

By: John

John — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:37:24 +0000

wow, just wow.
it seems like valve can’t make anyone happy.
they make a sequel to an amazing game… people complain
they make FREE dlc for their current game and beg MS to let them give it for free… people complain

i cant stand these miss informed people. I dont care what you people opinions are. I just know that i will be getting the dlc and left 4 dead 2 and i am going to enjoy them while you sit and yell at valve for being the devil

By: Nighyelfydruidy

Nighyelfydruidy — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:26:40 +0000

Will you stfu, about what you liked and what you didnt. Stop fucking complaining, its a game ok? Yea, i understand your frusteration for the game, but still, get over it! At least be happy they ARE doing something new, and that its comeing soon! And who gives a cows shit about the boycott, they didnt do a damn thing, but just whinning and complaining, because Valve was making a new game, instead of making all DLC’s, does it matter? No, either way, its comeing out, and you cant do a shit to change it. So, all this fighting and complaining is a big fat bull doughe. Im not on either side, but im fucking tired of this happening over and over on every forum I go to. And for the wait, theirs still many other games, Halo series, Res. Evil series, World of Warcraft private, or retail, Resistant 1 or 2, little big planet, Call of Duty series, Elder scrolls, Fables, and Fallouts. Find a new game, or keep it up with this game, and sit it out…… thats all…………………. >.>

By: DK

DK — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:44:23 +0000

“Yes, L4D1 got no post-release support, and was completely abandoned except for the regular patches, new playmode (and associated maps), SDK, growing support for modders and now an extra mini-campaign?”
Compared to TF2? Which is what they said L4D’s support would be like? No, compared to TF2, the support L4D received is laughable.
And that’s ignoring the out-of-game support of TF2, from the meet-the-class vidoes, to the Mann Co. stuff, to the elaborate update pages and more.

It clearly shows that Valve actually love TF2, while L4D – they don’t like it enough to be bothered.

By: Gorgeras

Gorgeras — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:14:26 +0000

Valve already are destroying one community to create another just by virtue of L4D2′s existence. Nothing they can do with the original can prevent this.

Valve have put Left4Dead owners in a position where they are *forced* to buy the sequel or play a game that is at a dead-end. Despite repeatedly saying they understand concerns, they don’t seem to actually empathise with this at all. They’re acting like a normal company, not just that but a *bad* kind of normal company, but they’re not a normal company; they’re an astonishingly brilliant company and nothing short of an astonishing, brilliant olive branch is going to get disgruntled players back on their side.

By: megaman

megaman — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:34:43 +0000

I’m astonished. Seems to me like Valve is seated between a rock and a hard place, and either way it’s pain. If they publish additional DLC for L4D1, it’s either “keeping them from developing L4D2″ or “not keeping up to their promises” because it’s too short or too small. And if they stop working on L4D1, they are destroying a healthy online community.
I’m not 100% in love with how things went with L4D and L4D2 (personally, I think L4D2 could have waited a bit longer from appearing). But considering this update for itself, at least a small “Thank you Valve” would be appropriate.
Thank you Valve!

By: Fumarole

Fumarole — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:39:54 +0000

Amen to that. Somehow I think it is people that are not playing with friends. If any game demands them, ’tis this one.

By: Fumarole

Fumarole — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:35:35 +0000

I genuinely feel sorry for folks who play games solely for the score at the end. Doubly so for a game that is such great fun with friends.

By: Fumarole

Fumarole — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:30:03 +0000

Camodude, your comment is either really clever, or really fucking stupid. Somehow I doubt it is the former.

By: Vinraith

Vinraith — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:26:04 +0000

I quite liked survival mode, it provided another o-op mode and thus extended the game by about 50% for me before it got old/problematic. Unfortunately the whole bot problem was even worse in survival, but it was certainly enjoyable on the rare occasion I could drum up four people I actually liked.

And yes idlehands, the truth is we’ll never know. That Valve gave no indication whatsoever that they were working on new content after the SDK release certainly makes me suspicious, though.

By: IdleHands

IdleHands — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:21:57 +0000

@Gorgeras-

I liked Survival mode. I thought it was a good addition, adding quicker but more frantic and being more drop-in, drop-out friendly than other modes. This is the first I’ve heard of it being unpopular.

@Vinraith -
No nasty words for my good sir but I do personally believe we would of seen this content but there’s no doubt that the boycott must of spurned them on to release quicker. Though we can never really tell because the boycotters will say they forced Valve’s hand, and Valve will say they always planned to keep adding new content as they’ve said.

By: Arathain

Arathain — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:17:06 +0000

I’ve never known Versus to be about the score at the end of the campaign, and I’ve played a fair bit of Verus. It’s a round to round, moment to moment thing. Folk dropping out is an issue, but not usually a huge one- since they did the last revamp of the server system empty slots seem to nearly always fill fast.

I love Versus, and always have. All 20 maps are pretty darned good- each has interesting places for both teams to navigate. I consistently have some of my most varied, exciting and satisfying gaming multi-player experiences on this game. I have never felt a lack of variety. Valve want to give me more of this? For free? Given all they must have learned about designing levels? Yes please. Thanks, Valve.

By: IdleHands

IdleHands — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:08:23 +0000

Ugh that is one thing I blame squarely at Valve. I liked it when the two teams got different things on their playthroughs, the losing team got a break and the winning team got a challenge. Win-win, right? But no apparently people complained that they wanted it to be ‘fairer’ so both teams got the exact same stuff, so they could play ‘competitive’ games / clan matches. I honestly don’t understand why Valve listened to them, L4D isn’t a competitive game like CS.

It’s not fairer this way at all in my experience. A good team will play survivor first and then know exactly where tanks / witches are and set up killer ambushes. It was fairer when the losing team got a break but the winning team got a more challenging experience, and fun was had by all. I admit though that the old random versus was a bit too random at times, losing teams getting more tanks. But surely a bit of tweaking could’ve solved it rather than binning it all together.

The thing that ruins the game for me though, as others have mentioned, are the ‘pro’ teams. These people are people that just have to win, it doesn’t matter if it’s fun or not, winning is all they care about. These are the people that rage quit and vote kick. I thought the L4D community would be more like TF2′s but it’s turned out to be a majority of people that take the game far to seriously.