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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Builds.

My post of &quot;leet build right here&quot; was just what I personally thought could be fun and effective to play as lilith with, but I can see how &#039;leet&#039; was probably a poor choice of words and brings up ideas of cookie cutter builds like diablo&#039;s endgame builds (some would say).

With Borderlands I guess there are going to be builds that are a bit more effective at killing or whatnot than others, but looking at these skill trees, to me it seems it won&#039;t matter too much how you spend your skills, you&#039;ll still manage to do well.

I love fun and pwnage and not dying, so I&#039;m just going to put skills in whatever explodes and kills stuff and keeps me alive. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Builds.</p>
<p>My post of &#8220;leet build right here&#8221; was just what I personally thought could be fun and effective to play as lilith with, but I can see how &#8216;leet&#8217; was probably a poor choice of words and brings up ideas of cookie cutter builds like diablo&#8217;s endgame builds (some would say).</p>
<p>With Borderlands I guess there are going to be builds that are a bit more effective at killing or whatnot than others, but looking at these skill trees, to me it seems it won&#8217;t matter too much how you spend your skills, you&#8217;ll still manage to do well.</p>
<p>I love fun and pwnage and not dying, so I&#8217;m just going to put skills in whatever explodes and kills stuff and keeps me alive. :D
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is Mordecai the Gunslinger who can throw birds at people?  That&#039;s Roland&#039;s trick....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Mordecai the Gunslinger who can throw birds at people?  That&#8217;s Roland&#8217;s trick&#8230;.
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		<title>By: Digit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vinraith - Ah fair enough.  Yeah I tend to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vinraith &#8211; Ah fair enough.  Yeah I tend to agree.
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		<title>By: Vinraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Fallout 3&#039;s VATS kills could get to be a bit much. When I say I&#039;m put off by an absence of &quot;consequence gore,&quot; I mean realistic gore, not slow motion dismemberment and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Fallout 3&#8242;s VATS kills could get to be a bit much. When I say I&#8217;m put off by an absence of &#8220;consequence gore,&#8221; I mean realistic gore, not slow motion dismemberment and the like.
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		<title>By: derfalconer</title>
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		<dc:creator>derfalconer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good to know, I would have bought it regardless, at 33$ per copy when you do a 4 pack on steam even if it doesnt get content updates that&#039;s still a damn good deal. between this and l4d2 I hope I will at least be somewhat sated until sometime next year. Also, do you have a link or source for them saying it, not that I dont trust you at all, just want to see how they worded it :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s good to know, I would have bought it regardless, at 33$ per copy when you do a 4 pack on steam even if it doesnt get content updates that&#8217;s still a damn good deal. between this and l4d2 I hope I will at least be somewhat sated until sometime next year. Also, do you have a link or source for them saying it, not that I dont trust you at all, just want to see how they worded it :P
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		<title>By: Digit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vinraith - I guess for me, I prefer -not- to have the associated consequences - speaking of extreme gore and such now.  I play games to do things I can&#039;t do in real life, and without the downsides.  I don&#039;t get tired when I run for 100 kms, I don&#039;t get arrested when I rob a bank or play the evil villain, I can cast spells, duel wield shotguns without wrenching my arm out when I fire them and all sorts.

Whilst I grant you could feel that the detailed dismemberment of limbs is akin to the smoke/particle effects when firing a gun, for me it&#039;s more akin to the tedious cleaning and maintenance of my gun - not the sort of maintenance we see in games, that is often a mechanic either - but the &#039;chore&#039; kind. ;)

I don&#039;t want to know what the insides of someone looks like, but I do want to shoot them and see them go flying through a wooden fence without anyone/anything actually getting harmed.  Fallout 3 for example went too far for me, I want the slo-motion &quot;pow-pow&quot;, not the slow motion &quot;This is what a decapitated molerat looks like close up.&quot; - EVERY TIME I KILL ONE.  Gah.  I&#039;m similarly perplexed by people who enjoy horror films, I wonder why that sort of thing entertains someone.  I saw a post on a forum where they were talking about the Saw game and one of them said, &quot;I would love the option when [character whose name I have forgotten] traps [another forgotten character name] to hit a key and just scream over and over.&quot; and I was left thinking, wow... that sounds fun O_O;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vinraith &#8211; I guess for me, I prefer -not- to have the associated consequences &#8211; speaking of extreme gore and such now.  I play games to do things I can&#8217;t do in real life, and without the downsides.  I don&#8217;t get tired when I run for 100 kms, I don&#8217;t get arrested when I rob a bank or play the evil villain, I can cast spells, duel wield shotguns without wrenching my arm out when I fire them and all sorts.</p>
<p>Whilst I grant you could feel that the detailed dismemberment of limbs is akin to the smoke/particle effects when firing a gun, for me it&#8217;s more akin to the tedious cleaning and maintenance of my gun &#8211; not the sort of maintenance we see in games, that is often a mechanic either &#8211; but the &#8216;chore&#8217; kind. ;)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to know what the insides of someone looks like, but I do want to shoot them and see them go flying through a wooden fence without anyone/anything actually getting harmed.  Fallout 3 for example went too far for me, I want the slo-motion &#8220;pow-pow&#8221;, not the slow motion &#8220;This is what a decapitated molerat looks like close up.&#8221; &#8211; EVERY TIME I KILL ONE.  Gah.  I&#8217;m similarly perplexed by people who enjoy horror films, I wonder why that sort of thing entertains someone.  I saw a post on a forum where they were talking about the Saw game and one of them said, &#8220;I would love the option when [character whose name I have forgotten] traps [another forgotten character name] to hit a key and just scream over and over.&#8221; and I was left thinking, wow&#8230; that sounds fun O_O;
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		<title>By: Vinraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No idea, honestly, since it would never have occurred to me to turn that kind of thing off. I would guess bleeped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea, honestly, since it would never have occurred to me to turn that kind of thing off. I would guess bleeped.
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		<title>By: DarkNoghri</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkNoghri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really mind blood and gore, for the most part. I dislike cursing, however. I don&#039;t curse, myself, and I&#039;d rather not hear it. Mind you, I hear plenty of it down at the University, but that doesn&#039;t mean I have to like it. At least one person I would consider playing this with would be even less tolerant of language than I am, thus my asking.

And when you mention language filters, do you mean it&#039;s totally removed, or just bleeped out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really mind blood and gore, for the most part. I dislike cursing, however. I don&#8217;t curse, myself, and I&#8217;d rather not hear it. Mind you, I hear plenty of it down at the University, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to like it. At least one person I would consider playing this with would be even less tolerant of language than I am, thus my asking.</p>
<p>And when you mention language filters, do you mean it&#8217;s totally removed, or just bleeped out?
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		<title>By: Vinraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it might have more to do with the types of people you play games with. :)

Anyway, I certainly don&#039;t begrudge you the option, and consider toggles vastly superior to the usual other solution (removing gore/language entirely), I&#039;m just a little weirded out by violence without the natural consequences thereof. There&#039;s such a thing as excess, of course, but realistic amounts of blood/language for the context in question actually unsettles me less than their absence. Anyway, to each their own clearly, it&#039;s always good to have options!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it might have more to do with the types of people you play games with. :)</p>
<p>Anyway, I certainly don&#8217;t begrudge you the option, and consider toggles vastly superior to the usual other solution (removing gore/language entirely), I&#8217;m just a little weirded out by violence without the natural consequences thereof. There&#8217;s such a thing as excess, of course, but realistic amounts of blood/language for the context in question actually unsettles me less than their absence. Anyway, to each their own clearly, it&#8217;s always good to have options!
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		<title>By: Digit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ DarkNoghri - I watched a video just now where a few f-bombs were dropped, but it&#039;s not super heavy (from what I saw).

@Vinraith - Cool thanks.  I guess it depends on why you play games, I play games for fun and I do so with my wife, for us it&#039;s primarily about using the resources we have to overcome foes in a variety of ways.  it&#039;s a fun and enjoyable experience and my wife doesn&#039;t enjoy blood, gore and dismemberment - and I can happily give or take it, I don&#039;t feel it adds anything significant or deep to the game.  That&#039;s just my two cents, and if people feel otherwise, well, that&#039;s why options are a good thing - because then everyone gets to play a fun game the way they want to. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ DarkNoghri &#8211; I watched a video just now where a few f-bombs were dropped, but it&#8217;s not super heavy (from what I saw).</p>
<p>@Vinraith &#8211; Cool thanks.  I guess it depends on why you play games, I play games for fun and I do so with my wife, for us it&#8217;s primarily about using the resources we have to overcome foes in a variety of ways.  it&#8217;s a fun and enjoyable experience and my wife doesn&#8217;t enjoy blood, gore and dismemberment &#8211; and I can happily give or take it, I don&#8217;t feel it adds anything significant or deep to the game.  That&#8217;s just my two cents, and if people feel otherwise, well, that&#8217;s why options are a good thing &#8211; because then everyone gets to play a fun game the way they want to. :)
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		<title>By: Vinraith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinraith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Previous Gearbox titles have included both language and gore filters. I&#039;ve always thought the mentality that says &quot;I want to shoot people, but I don&#039;t want them to bleed or curse about it&quot; was kind of peculiar, but you can reasonably expect that Borderlands will accommodate your needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Previous Gearbox titles have included both language and gore filters. I&#8217;ve always thought the mentality that says &#8220;I want to shoot people, but I don&#8217;t want them to bleed or curse about it&#8221; was kind of peculiar, but you can reasonably expect that Borderlands will accommodate your needs.
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		<title>By: DarkNoghri</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkNoghri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a semi-related but not quite note, what&#039;s the language like? It&#039;s rated M for several things, including strong language. Is this a couple of minor profanities, or is this f-bombs being dropped every 3 seconds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a semi-related but not quite note, what&#8217;s the language like? It&#8217;s rated M for several things, including strong language. Is this a couple of minor profanities, or is this f-bombs being dropped every 3 seconds?
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