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		<title>By: mund</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/04/loselose-indie-game-declared-a-trojan/#comment-351162</link>
		<dc:creator>mund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And... what do any of your examples have to do with it being defined a trojan? Or even why only the Mac version is a trojan. The first one is the only bit slightly credible, but I&#039;m pretty sure Symantec&#039;s AV is more than primarliy an English application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; what do any of your examples have to do with it being defined a trojan? Or even why only the Mac version is a trojan. The first one is the only bit slightly credible, but I&#8217;m pretty sure Symantec&#8217;s AV is more than primarliy an English application.
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		<title>By: Simon Carless</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/04/loselose-indie-game-declared-a-trojan/#comment-349433</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Carless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John/RPS-ers, saying it&#039;s been &#039;nominated for IGF&#039; is causing commenters to shout at the IGF, which is wholly unfair. It&#039;s been _entered_ in the IGF, which is quite different, of course - anyone can enter their own game. Please correct article? Ta!

Simon@IGF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John/RPS-ers, saying it&#8217;s been &#8216;nominated for IGF&#8217; is causing commenters to shout at the IGF, which is wholly unfair. It&#8217;s been _entered_ in the IGF, which is quite different, of course &#8211; anyone can enter their own game. Please correct article? Ta!</p>
<p>Simon@IGF.
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		<title>By: unique_identifier</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/04/loselose-indie-game-declared-a-trojan/#comment-349386</link>
		<dc:creator>unique_identifier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i reckon &#039;trojan&#039; fits better than &#039;game&#039; for this lump of software</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i reckon &#8216;trojan&#8217; fits better than &#8216;game&#8217; for this lump of software
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		<title>By: Dominic White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominic White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, are you ever *not* furious about something? Also, the question would be who nominated it. Just being nominated means approximately nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, are you ever *not* furious about something? Also, the question would be who nominated it. Just being nominated means approximately nothing.
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		<title>By: undead dolphin hacker</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/04/loselose-indie-game-declared-a-trojan/#comment-349147</link>
		<dc:creator>undead dolphin hacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece of navelgazing trash was nominated for IGF?

More bloody proof that IGF is a total pile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece of navelgazing trash was nominated for IGF?</p>
<p>More bloody proof that IGF is a total pile.
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		<title>By: Nerd Rage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerd Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clever though it may be as an artistic expression, which I admit I apparently don&#039;t understand how that is artistic, the fact remain that it&#039;s an interactive virus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clever though it may be as an artistic expression, which I admit I apparently don&#8217;t understand how that is artistic, the fact remain that it&#8217;s an interactive virus.
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*gets a flathead screwdriver to start prying dangerous Delete keys out of keyboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*gets a flathead screwdriver to start prying dangerous Delete keys out of keyboards.
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		<title>By: Ghlitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghlitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSX.DeleteKey
Risk Level 5: Oh Noes!

Discovered: November 5, 2009
Updated: November 5, 2009 10:58:12 AM
Also Known As: OSX_DEL
Type: Trojan

OSX.DeleteKey is a Trojan that appears to be a valid keyboard button, but deletes files from the home folder when a user presses it.

Threat Assessment
Wild

    * Wild Level: High
    * Number of Infections: Near Universal
    * Number of Sites: Pretty much everyone
    * Geographical Distribution: Ubiquitous
    * Threat Containment: Impossible
    * Removal: Easy

Damage

    * Damage Level: High
    * Payload: Deletes files from the home folder.
    * Modifies Files: Deletes files from the home folder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSX.DeleteKey<br />
Risk Level 5: Oh Noes!</p>
<p>Discovered: November 5, 2009<br />
Updated: November 5, 2009 10:58:12 AM<br />
Also Known As: OSX_DEL<br />
Type: Trojan</p>
<p>OSX.DeleteKey is a Trojan that appears to be a valid keyboard button, but deletes files from the home folder when a user presses it.</p>
<p>Threat Assessment<br />
Wild</p>
<p>    * Wild Level: High<br />
    * Number of Infections: Near Universal<br />
    * Number of Sites: Pretty much everyone<br />
    * Geographical Distribution: Ubiquitous<br />
    * Threat Containment: Impossible<br />
    * Removal: Easy</p>
<p>Damage</p>
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    * Payload: Deletes files from the home folder.<br />
    * Modifies Files: Deletes files from the home folder.
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		<title>By: josh g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who didn&#039;t see this coming from the start.  Honestly, the &quot;clever&quot; gimmick of trashing your files as you play always seemed pretty lame from a game-design-as-art standpoint anyway so I have no sympathy.  

Even if the author made it stupidly obvious that this is a dangerous thing to run, why should Symantec make an exception?  Their product is meant to protect your PC / Mac from dangerous things, and this is a dangerous thing.  Seems friggin&#039; obvious to put it on the do-not-allow list.

Obvious dangerous situations that you didn&#039;t mention:
 - user does not actually speak or read English
 - someone runs game on other person&#039;s computer, clicks past the warning, then calls them over to play it 
 - someone emails this around with a false explanation that the warning is some kind of prank and that it&#039;s actually harmless (&quot;p.s. try scaring your boss with this LOL!!1!!&quot;)
 - someone&#039;s 4 year old thinks this is funny to run on mommy&#039;s computer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who didn&#8217;t see this coming from the start.  Honestly, the &#8220;clever&#8221; gimmick of trashing your files as you play always seemed pretty lame from a game-design-as-art standpoint anyway so I have no sympathy.  </p>
<p>Even if the author made it stupidly obvious that this is a dangerous thing to run, why should Symantec make an exception?  Their product is meant to protect your PC / Mac from dangerous things, and this is a dangerous thing.  Seems friggin&#8217; obvious to put it on the do-not-allow list.</p>
<p>Obvious dangerous situations that you didn&#8217;t mention:<br />
 &#8211; user does not actually speak or read English<br />
 &#8211; someone runs game on other person&#8217;s computer, clicks past the warning, then calls them over to play it<br />
 &#8211; someone emails this around with a false explanation that the warning is some kind of prank and that it&#8217;s actually harmless (&#8220;p.s. try scaring your boss with this LOL!!1!!&#8221;)<br />
 &#8211; someone&#8217;s 4 year old thinks this is funny to run on mommy&#8217;s computer
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		<title>By: Torgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But if you&#039;re stupid enough to play this &quot;game&quot;, are you smart enough to know how to modify your virus scanner? Are you smart enough to *have* a virus scanner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if you&#8217;re stupid enough to play this &#8220;game&#8221;, are you smart enough to know how to modify your virus scanner? Are you smart enough to *have* a virus scanner?
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		<title>By: Riesenmaulhai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riesenmaulhai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and if you beat the game without dying, they&#039;ll take as much money from you that you can - IN REALITY! - become one of those starving people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and if you beat the game without dying, they&#8217;ll take as much money from you that you can &#8211; IN REALITY! &#8211; become one of those starving people.
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		<title>By: Mal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They do the same to the entirely innocuous &lt;a href=&quot;http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897558.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blue Screen of Death screensaver&lt;/a&gt;  so it&#039;s not without precedent.   

You can always add an exception to your virus scanner I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do the same to the entirely innocuous <a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897558.aspx" rel="nofollow">Blue Screen of Death screensaver</a>  so it&#8217;s not without precedent.   </p>
<p>You can always add an exception to your virus scanner I&#8217;m sure.
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