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		<title>By: Masarius</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/08/the-sunday-papers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-360973</link>
		<dc:creator>Masarius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Culture aren&#039;t always superior to everything in Banks&#039; universe, have you read Excession?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Culture aren&#8217;t always superior to everything in Banks&#8217; universe, have you read Excession?</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got my mitts on S.W.O.R.D. today. 

Quite good so far, even with Death&#039;s Head&#039;s tusks being disappointingly small.

So, cheers Kieron. Got me into a comic store for the first time in months, and I&#039;m quite pleased with my purchase, even at four bucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got my mitts on S.W.O.R.D. today. </p>
<p>Quite good so far, even with Death&#8217;s Head&#8217;s tusks being disappointingly small.</p>
<p>So, cheers Kieron. Got me into a comic store for the first time in months, and I&#8217;m quite pleased with my purchase, even at four bucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Casimir's Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/08/the-sunday-papers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-351202</link>
		<dc:creator>Casimir's Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starky I&#039;m sure that your uncle is a nice chap (honest), but it&#039;s almost impossible to feel reasonable about such people when - as you say - they become jaded, particularly if it&#039;s towards someone who just happens to be the most important person in one&#039;s life.

My partner - if anyone hadn&#039;t already guessed - was about ready to apply for a visa extension earlier this year, but &lt;b&gt;without prior warning and the same week we were about to send off the papers&lt;/b&gt; the home office not only stopped giving out those visas, but basically said to us my partner would have to find work and apply for a tier 2 work permit.&lt;b&gt;Within two weeks of her current visa expiring.&lt;/b&gt;

She is also from a country that isn&#039;t within the &quot;European Economic Area&quot;, which means even if she visits she cannot do so for more than six months at a time, and she can&#039;t just come and work over here if she wants to.  Oh, and she wants to be a doctor here, not some petty labourer.

This is the kind of shit we have to deal with, and it&#039;s intolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starky I&#8217;m sure that your uncle is a nice chap (honest), but it&#8217;s almost impossible to feel reasonable about such people when &#8211; as you say &#8211; they become jaded, particularly if it&#8217;s towards someone who just happens to be the most important person in one&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>My partner &#8211; if anyone hadn&#8217;t already guessed &#8211; was about ready to apply for a visa extension earlier this year, but <b>without prior warning and the same week we were about to send off the papers</b> the home office not only stopped giving out those visas, but basically said to us my partner would have to find work and apply for a tier 2 work permit.<b>Within two weeks of her current visa expiring.</b></p>
<p>She is also from a country that isn&#8217;t within the &#8220;European Economic Area&#8221;, which means even if she visits she cannot do so for more than six months at a time, and she can&#8217;t just come and work over here if she wants to.  Oh, and she wants to be a doctor here, not some petty labourer.</p>
<p>This is the kind of shit we have to deal with, and it&#8217;s intolerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Starky</title>
		<link>http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/08/the-sunday-papers-93/comment-page-1/#comment-351138</link>
		<dc:creator>Starky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With an uncle who&#039;s one of those heartless work-shy, paper pushing socialists, I can say with fairly reliable knowledge that you&#039;re wrong.

My uncle is as nice a bloke as you&#039;d ever meet, but he HAS to follow the rules to the letter, he can&#039;t make exceptions no matter the case, or how sorry he feels for people. He&#039;s not allowed.

It&#039;s a rigid and massive system and for good reason, because there are thousands of people who try and abuse that system every month.
Immigration is often one of British people&#039;s favourite bitching subjects; either for letting all those foreigners in fist shaking at a system that&#039;s too soft and not hard enough, or tutting at how broken and cruel the system is to nice people.

Frankly the system is one of the best, and probably fairest in the world - if a little too heavy on the bureaucracy (but then isn&#039;t everything - we are after all a nation of middle-men) - but it&#039;s still under massive pressure from all sides.
Still slated as rubbish, by all sides, for all reasons often those reasons utterly contradictory.

Have a serious think about it one day, how massive the problem is - how anything you try to put into place, any problem you try and fix in the system will be seen as a failure by some political viewpoint. How each and every policy you implement to help those who have legitimate reason to be and stay in the country is abused endlessly by those who don&#039;t.

Then maybe you might get some idea that you get some idea what the people who work in immigration have to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With an uncle who&#8217;s one of those heartless work-shy, paper pushing socialists, I can say with fairly reliable knowledge that you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
<p>My uncle is as nice a bloke as you&#8217;d ever meet, but he HAS to follow the rules to the letter, he can&#8217;t make exceptions no matter the case, or how sorry he feels for people. He&#8217;s not allowed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a rigid and massive system and for good reason, because there are thousands of people who try and abuse that system every month.<br />
Immigration is often one of British people&#8217;s favourite bitching subjects; either for letting all those foreigners in fist shaking at a system that&#8217;s too soft and not hard enough, or tutting at how broken and cruel the system is to nice people.</p>
<p>Frankly the system is one of the best, and probably fairest in the world &#8211; if a little too heavy on the bureaucracy (but then isn&#8217;t everything &#8211; we are after all a nation of middle-men) &#8211; but it&#8217;s still under massive pressure from all sides.<br />
Still slated as rubbish, by all sides, for all reasons often those reasons utterly contradictory.</p>
<p>Have a serious think about it one day, how massive the problem is &#8211; how anything you try to put into place, any problem you try and fix in the system will be seen as a failure by some political viewpoint. How each and every policy you implement to help those who have legitimate reason to be and stay in the country is abused endlessly by those who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Then maybe you might get some idea that you get some idea what the people who work in immigration have to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, because of the rise of the BNP, the current Labour government are going to be acting like a complete bunch of craven, spineless gits about immigration at least until the next general election. I know one or two people who are trying to get their full &quot;right to stay&quot; visa sorted asap, for precisely this reason.

Trying to come in on a tourist visa after you&#039;ve been turned down for a work visa is just going to raise red flags for immigration sadly &amp; they don&#039;t have any compassion (or much room for compromise once their aware of an issue): it&#039;s drummed out of them by the work.

His best bet is probably to marry his girlfriend if she&#039;ll have him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, because of the rise of the BNP, the current Labour government are going to be acting like a complete bunch of craven, spineless gits about immigration at least until the next general election. I know one or two people who are trying to get their full &#8220;right to stay&#8221; visa sorted asap, for precisely this reason.</p>
<p>Trying to come in on a tourist visa after you&#8217;ve been turned down for a work visa is just going to raise red flags for immigration sadly &amp; they don&#8217;t have any compassion (or much room for compromise once their aware of an issue): it&#8217;s drummed out of them by the work.</p>
<p>His best bet is probably to marry his girlfriend if she&#8217;ll have him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gap Gen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gap Gen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Special Circumstances could be a bit like an ultra-futuristic version of Crysis, I guess. Some of the bits they fight in in the books reminds me a lot of that, but with extra cool toys.

I think it&#039;s the sort of thing where the universe is big enough that you could just make up events, too. Maybe follow a SC agent through the Iridian War, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Special Circumstances could be a bit like an ultra-futuristic version of Crysis, I guess. Some of the bits they fight in in the books reminds me a lot of that, but with extra cool toys.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the sort of thing where the universe is big enough that you could just make up events, too. Maybe follow a SC agent through the Iridian War, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Morph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Policing immigration is such a mind-numbingly huge operation that stories like this are going to come up all the time. There have to be policies in place, and it&#039;s just unfortunate that sometimes odd cases are going to come along. 

Immigration workers have to follow these policies to the letter, because if they let one person through then that starts setting a precedent, and people who don&#039;t deserve to be let through will try and take that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Policing immigration is such a mind-numbingly huge operation that stories like this are going to come up all the time. There have to be policies in place, and it&#8217;s just unfortunate that sometimes odd cases are going to come along. </p>
<p>Immigration workers have to follow these policies to the letter, because if they let one person through then that starts setting a precedent, and people who don&#8217;t deserve to be let through will try and take that route.</p>
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		<title>By: Starky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest this kind of Visa thing is to be somewhat expected, and you can&#039;t really blame the people who work at the airports.

They have to follow the rules, it&#039;s their job -even if the rules are complicated and often ignore reality for tick boxes on some kind of checklist.

The reality is most Visa workers (my uncle being one of them and always having stories) see hundreds of people a day, and have to deal with dozens in detail.
Many of those, if not the majority are trying to get into the country and stay here permanently, they&#039;ll lie, cheat, claim ignorance to the rules and basically do everything they can to get around the system.

So is it shocking that many workers get a bit jaded when dealing with people?

Yes it sucks that there are some qualified, well meaning people who probably would be upstanding productive British citizens, who fail due to slipping in the cracks of the rules.

Only an idiot would deny the need for any country (especially one with such a social support system as ours) the need to control it&#039;s borders.
It&#039;s just not as easy as some people think, how do you decide who gets in and who doesn&#039;t? how do you judge what counts as qualified, experienced or skilled enough?

While I&#039;m sure most would agree needing a degree is a bit much (especially for highly skilled vocational trades), what limit do you set for a Academic Visa?

Some might complain that they dropped the artistic visa, but from what I&#039;ve been told they did it for good reason, as it was the prime method of getting a visa under false pretence, second only to education visa&#039;s.

It&#039;s just a shame that people like this published graphic novel artist, got stuck in the system, while tems (if not hundreds) of thousands of Asian and eastern European skill-less workers slip through the system daily.
All they do most of the time is throw away their passports once they get inside the country, lie about their names and identities - because if no one knows who they are you can&#039;t deport them (no country will except a them without identification). Nor can you hold them in detention or prison while the authorities investigate who they are.
All they can do is take finger prints and DNA and release them, hoping that next time they get caught, they&#039;ll have an identity for them.

It&#039;s one of the prime reasons the government wants biometric ID to become law, even for part time Visa&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest this kind of Visa thing is to be somewhat expected, and you can&#8217;t really blame the people who work at the airports.</p>
<p>They have to follow the rules, it&#8217;s their job -even if the rules are complicated and often ignore reality for tick boxes on some kind of checklist.</p>
<p>The reality is most Visa workers (my uncle being one of them and always having stories) see hundreds of people a day, and have to deal with dozens in detail.<br />
Many of those, if not the majority are trying to get into the country and stay here permanently, they&#8217;ll lie, cheat, claim ignorance to the rules and basically do everything they can to get around the system.</p>
<p>So is it shocking that many workers get a bit jaded when dealing with people?</p>
<p>Yes it sucks that there are some qualified, well meaning people who probably would be upstanding productive British citizens, who fail due to slipping in the cracks of the rules.</p>
<p>Only an idiot would deny the need for any country (especially one with such a social support system as ours) the need to control it&#8217;s borders.<br />
It&#8217;s just not as easy as some people think, how do you decide who gets in and who doesn&#8217;t? how do you judge what counts as qualified, experienced or skilled enough?</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m sure most would agree needing a degree is a bit much (especially for highly skilled vocational trades), what limit do you set for a Academic Visa?</p>
<p>Some might complain that they dropped the artistic visa, but from what I&#8217;ve been told they did it for good reason, as it was the prime method of getting a visa under false pretence, second only to education visa&#8217;s.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a shame that people like this published graphic novel artist, got stuck in the system, while tems (if not hundreds) of thousands of Asian and eastern European skill-less workers slip through the system daily.<br />
All they do most of the time is throw away their passports once they get inside the country, lie about their names and identities &#8211; because if no one knows who they are you can&#8217;t deport them (no country will except a them without identification). Nor can you hold them in detention or prison while the authorities investigate who they are.<br />
All they can do is take finger prints and DNA and release them, hoping that next time they get caught, they&#8217;ll have an identity for them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of the prime reasons the government wants biometric ID to become law, even for part time Visa&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Casimir's Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casimir's Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether their rules are &quot;firm and fair&quot; or not, this really hurts.  Trust me, I know.  These people are heartless work-shy, paper-pushing social workers, and they are quite ready to take £500 of your money for an appointment and say &quot;no&quot; to such requests if they feel like it.

No, you don&#039;t get your £500 back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether their rules are &#8220;firm and fair&#8221; or not, this really hurts.  Trust me, I know.  These people are heartless work-shy, paper-pushing social workers, and they are quite ready to take £500 of your money for an appointment and say &#8220;no&#8221; to such requests if they feel like it.</p>
<p>No, you don&#8217;t get your £500 back.</p>
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		<title>By: Casimir's Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casimir's Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and apologies to everyone for double-posting, but I&#039;d like to say - from very personal experience - a particularly emphatic &quot;fuck you&quot; to the home office.  This government let in tons of unwanted refugees, and still make it really rather unpleasantly fucking difficult for someone that is not from the European Economic Area to enter the country legitimately to work or study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and apologies to everyone for double-posting, but I&#8217;d like to say &#8211; from very personal experience &#8211; a particularly emphatic &#8220;fuck you&#8221; to the home office.  This government let in tons of unwanted refugees, and still make it really rather unpleasantly fucking difficult for someone that is not from the European Economic Area to enter the country legitimately to work or study.</p>
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		<title>By: Casimir's Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casimir's Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such was my desperation for dungeon-crawlers, I happened upon one of the games mentioned in that hentai article &quot;Words Worth&quot;.  Thankfully it&#039;s relatively free of &quot;NSFW material&quot; - shall we say - and it turned out to be a simple but highly addictive first person 3D dungeon crawler.  Not nearly as deep as Ultima Underworld, but it certainly scratched that itch.  There&#039;s a translation out there too, supposedly.

I do wish there were more first-person dungeon crawlers out there... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such was my desperation for dungeon-crawlers, I happened upon one of the games mentioned in that hentai article &#8220;Words Worth&#8221;.  Thankfully it&#8217;s relatively free of &#8220;NSFW material&#8221; &#8211; shall we say &#8211; and it turned out to be a simple but highly addictive first person 3D dungeon crawler.  Not nearly as deep as Ultima Underworld, but it certainly scratched that itch.  There&#8217;s a translation out there too, supposedly.</p>
<p>I do wish there were more first-person dungeon crawlers out there&#8230; :(</p>
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		<title>By: GCU Speak Softly</title>
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		<dc:creator>GCU Speak Softly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A &lt;i&gt;Special Circumstances&lt;/i&gt; FPS anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <i>Special Circumstances</i> FPS anyone?</p>
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