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		<title>By: 9squirrels</title>
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		<description>Need a game called &quot;Edgetastic Edgventure&quot; in fact Edgeward McEdgington should be &quot;Edgeward McEdgington&#039;s Edgetastic Edgventure&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need a game called &#8220;Edgetastic Edgventure&#8221; in fact Edgeward McEdgington should be &#8220;Edgeward McEdgington&#8217;s Edgetastic Edgventure&#8221;.
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		<title>By: DennisApril34</title>
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		<dc:creator>DennisApril34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One acknowledges that men&#039;s life is high priced, but we need cash for various things and not every one gets big sums money. Therefore to get quick &lt;a href=&quot;http://lowest-rate-loans.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;loan&lt;/a&gt; or just credit loan will be a proper solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One acknowledges that men&#8217;s life is high priced, but we need cash for various things and not every one gets big sums money. Therefore to get quick <a href="http://lowest-rate-loans.com" rel="nofollow">loan</a> or just credit loan will be a proper solution.
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		<title>By: amishmonster</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice change to the site alt-title today - I like the support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice change to the site alt-title today &#8211; I like the support.
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		<title>By: medwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>medwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tei: lol
@Nayon: hooo... where to start.
No I am no longer pursuing a Masters. Leaving aside the assumption that all inventors are only Masters and Doctorates, there is the implicit assumption that you&#039;re all good at what you do. There are some exceptional people doing research. There are also coasters and people who I wonder why they even bother. I decided I liked application more so I moved into the industry where I make good coin without waving around paper like it means my penis is bigger. Moving on (I&#039;m going to experiment with the quoting so bear with me):
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Nayon&quot;&gt;Pasteur coming up with penicillin might have been a random discovery&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Please tell me you are not in the Faculty of Science. This is just sloppy, but I guess your paper and massive ego mean that this is totally A-OK and doesn&#039;t undermine your legitimacy at all.
&lt;blockquote&gt;You are forgetting one thing, medicine and other stuff don’t just cost [snip blah blah blah aboud R&amp;D costs]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Please stop re-posting &#039;common-sense&#039; I thought you were a researcher? You haven&#039;t provided anything to dispute this http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinal09.pdf
This tired old horse of &quot;Protect teh pharma!&quot; is... well, tired. Have something new to contribute, thats the point of your fucking degree. Oh, but you just think we&#039;re all anti-science here. Which is almost equivalently as stupid considering the only people arguing about killing all innovation are people building straw man arguments. And if you could stop conflating the posters where with the console-haters crowd, that&#039;d be cool. I&#039;ve never had a problem with the console market share, I just can&#039;t use a controller worth shit for a shooter so I&#039;d prefer a PC version. But y&#039;know, keep up the solid logical and scientific arguments. It looks like its working out great so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tei: lol<br />
@Nayon: hooo&#8230; where to start.<br />
No I am no longer pursuing a Masters. Leaving aside the assumption that all inventors are only Masters and Doctorates, there is the implicit assumption that you&#8217;re all good at what you do. There are some exceptional people doing research. There are also coasters and people who I wonder why they even bother. I decided I liked application more so I moved into the industry where I make good coin without waving around paper like it means my penis is bigger. Moving on (I&#8217;m going to experiment with the quoting so bear with me):</p>
<blockquote cite="Nayon"><p>Pasteur coming up with penicillin might have been a random discovery</p></blockquote>
<p>Please tell me you are not in the Faculty of Science. This is just sloppy, but I guess your paper and massive ego mean that this is totally A-OK and doesn&#8217;t undermine your legitimacy at all.</p>
<blockquote><p>You are forgetting one thing, medicine and other stuff don’t just cost [snip blah blah blah aboud R&amp;D costs]</p></blockquote>
<p>Please stop re-posting &#8216;common-sense&#8217; I thought you were a researcher? You haven&#8217;t provided anything to dispute this <a href="http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinal09.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinal09.pdf</a><br />
This tired old horse of &#8220;Protect teh pharma!&#8221; is&#8230; well, tired. Have something new to contribute, thats the point of your fucking degree. Oh, but you just think we&#8217;re all anti-science here. Which is almost equivalently as stupid considering the only people arguing about killing all innovation are people building straw man arguments. And if you could stop conflating the posters where with the console-haters crowd, that&#8217;d be cool. I&#8217;ve never had a problem with the console market share, I just can&#8217;t use a controller worth shit for a shooter so I&#8217;d prefer a PC version. But y&#8217;know, keep up the solid logical and scientific arguments. It looks like its working out great so far.
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		<title>By: medwards</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Starky: It sounds more like your situation is one of trying to not be exploited anymore. I have an aunt in a similar situation where she is essentially an engineer without the salary, but it should be clear that this is a situation perpetuated by the company and the engineering associations rather than there being necessarily more intrinsic worth to a fancy piece of paper. I mean you&#039;re able to do the job, so you should be paid appropriately. I don&#039;t think that is too much to ask.</description>
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		<title>By: medwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>medwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@James G: I target one aspect of socio-political relations because as Santiago pointed out, questioning intellectual property raises questions about the sacredness of private property. Gut reactions involving hobos aside, I think this is a question that critical thinkers should take seriously.

However, I am also impressed by all these profit motivators who refuse to read either of my referenced pieces which point out that ultimately open patent system (and I&#039;ll admit I extend the argument to include all intellectual property) restrict innovation and provide profitable opportunities to actually create blocks on progress. Were I a strong proponent of the free market it would be trivial to point out that patents make industries as a WHOLE unhealthier, less innovative, and more likely to stagnate. I&#039;ll point it out again, but a detailed study ( http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm ) of the early paint and chemicals industry and the pre-WIPO pharmaceuticals industry shows that patents kill your competitors, which enables you to be lazy. This is be akin to allowing only one RAM manufacturer, and I don&#039;t think any of us would be happy with the prices, variety and quality then.

I also think that Raillicks makes an alright argument that patents are NOW negative influencers regardless of their history as being positive or negative. However, I still think drawing trademark and copyright is appropriate: they are all about taking non-physical things and treating them as exclusive trade advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@James G: I target one aspect of socio-political relations because as Santiago pointed out, questioning intellectual property raises questions about the sacredness of private property. Gut reactions involving hobos aside, I think this is a question that critical thinkers should take seriously.</p>
<p>However, I am also impressed by all these profit motivators who refuse to read either of my referenced pieces which point out that ultimately open patent system (and I&#8217;ll admit I extend the argument to include all intellectual property) restrict innovation and provide profitable opportunities to actually create blocks on progress. Were I a strong proponent of the free market it would be trivial to point out that patents make industries as a WHOLE unhealthier, less innovative, and more likely to stagnate. I&#8217;ll point it out again, but a detailed study ( <a href="http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm</a> ) of the early paint and chemicals industry and the pre-WIPO pharmaceuticals industry shows that patents kill your competitors, which enables you to be lazy. This is be akin to allowing only one RAM manufacturer, and I don&#8217;t think any of us would be happy with the prices, variety and quality then.</p>
<p>I also think that Raillicks makes an alright argument that patents are NOW negative influencers regardless of their history as being positive or negative. However, I still think drawing trademark and copyright is appropriate: they are all about taking non-physical things and treating them as exclusive trade advantages.
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		<title>By: medwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>medwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s because the comment system is brutally buggy, but its so inconsistently buggy that its impossible to actual cite specific issues. Forgive those who have re-posted and you too shall be forgiven!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s because the comment system is brutally buggy, but its so inconsistently buggy that its impossible to actual cite specific issues. Forgive those who have re-posted and you too shall be forgiven!
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		<title>By: Railick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Railick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeck, double posting is getting bad in this thread.

Shadowcat &quot;It hammers at my retinas like an evil woodpecker of pure energy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeck, double posting is getting bad in this thread.</p>
<p>Shadowcat &#8220;It hammers at my retinas like an evil woodpecker of pure energy&#8221;
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		<title>By: Railick</title>
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		<description>I&#039;m just messing with you man ; ) No worries.</description>
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		<title>By: Tei</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... and others, do you guys have a PhD? Or are you on a path to get one? Please do not think you know anything. Unless you are working for/have one, you have no idea what kind of effort it takes.&quot;

http://www.ultimate-self.com/entitlement/

No one owe you anything. If you wasted N years of your life on the university, or somewhere, because is fun or what you want, more power to you, but no one owe you anything. Also, &quot;Arguments from authority&quot; are a logical falacy. Is magical thinking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
I don&#039;t care about your name, your friends, your studies, you published works, your income, your race, your popularity, your beard, your tastes, your phobias.. what I care is about what you say. If what you say is verifieable, and If once verified is correct. Not a stupid CV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; and others, do you guys have a PhD? Or are you on a path to get one? Please do not think you know anything. Unless you are working for/have one, you have no idea what kind of effort it takes.&#8221;</p>
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<p>No one owe you anything. If you wasted N years of your life on the university, or somewhere, because is fun or what you want, more power to you, but no one owe you anything. Also, &#8220;Arguments from authority&#8221; are a logical falacy. Is magical thinking.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority</a><br />
I don&#8217;t care about your name, your friends, your studies, you published works, your income, your race, your popularity, your beard, your tastes, your phobias.. what I care is about what you say. If what you say is verifieable, and If once verified is correct. Not a stupid CV.
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		<dc:creator>Jugglenaut</dc:creator>
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		<description>Or Redge Pedge Sedge, to keep the RPS acronym.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Redge Pedge Sedge, to keep the RPS acronym.
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		<description>Tim Langdell is un-be-fuck!ng-lievable - that&#039;s for sure.

Anyway, I&#039;ve also done MY part part to step on him, by remaking an old game from The Edge Software.

It&#039;s called &#039;Starbike&#039; - originally released for the ZX Spectrum in 1984 and you can find it here:

http://starbike.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Langdell is un-be-fuck!ng-lievable &#8211; that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve also done MY part part to step on him, by remaking an old game from The Edge Software.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called &#8216;Starbike&#8217; &#8211; originally released for the ZX Spectrum in 1984 and you can find it here:</p>
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