Comments on: Retro: The L4D2 Boycott http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/ Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:24:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Catastrophe http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364366 Catastrophe Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:50:51 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364366 @TB Reading the line you quoted from the mission statement, it does not demand L4D2 to be released as free, it SUGGESTS L4D2 be released for free to people who currently own L4D and/or make it expansion (which are usually paid for) that is compatible with L4D. “that “Left 4 Dead 2 not be released as a stand-alone, full-priced sequel but as either a free update to Left 4 Dead or an expansion with full compatibility with basic Left 4 Dead owners,” @TB

Reading the line you quoted from the mission statement, it does not demand L4D2 to be released as free, it SUGGESTS L4D2 be released for free to people who currently own L4D and/or make it expansion (which are usually paid for) that is compatible with L4D.

“that “Left 4 Dead 2 not be released as a stand-alone, full-priced sequel but as either a free update to Left 4 Dead or an expansion with full compatibility with basic Left 4 Dead owners,”

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]]> By: Catastrophe http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364354 Catastrophe Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:36:51 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364354 "... and before any of this becomes a reality we'll announce L4D2, destroying a community and ripping it in half in one fell swoop... actually edit that line out of the interview please, if people knew this they wouldn't buy either game." “… and before any of this becomes a reality we’ll announce L4D2, destroying a community and ripping it in half in one fell swoop… actually edit that line out of the interview please, if people knew this they wouldn’t buy either game.”

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]]> By: Catastrophe http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364342 Catastrophe Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:24:55 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364342 The issue is L4D is an online game living off an online community for that game. Valve gave all these promises indicating they will continue to support L4D with updates (free or not - it doesn't really matter) to keep the L4D community thriving. A few months later, after very little updates, they announce L4D2, splitting the community down the middle and destroying the promises of keeping the L4D community thriving. L4D without a community is a very hollow and pointless game. The issue is L4D is an online game living off an online community for that game. Valve gave all these promises indicating they will continue to support L4D with updates (free or not – it doesn’t really matter) to keep the L4D community thriving.

A few months later, after very little updates, they announce L4D2, splitting the community down the middle and destroying the promises of keeping the L4D community thriving.

L4D without a community is a very hollow and pointless game.

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]]> By: Psychopomp http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364302 Psychopomp Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:40:36 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364302 "Also, what the !@#$ is with the shotgun’s new lag-to-shoot-while-reloading thing?" It's a very good nerf, that brought autoshotties down to a reasonable level. “Also, what the !@#$ is with the shotgun’s new lag-to-shoot-while-reloading thing?”

It’s a very good nerf, that brought autoshotties down to a reasonable level.

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]]> By: Psychopomp http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364295 Psychopomp Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:35:36 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364295 <blockquote><p><cite>Anonymous Coward <a href="http://rockpapershotgun.com/rpsforum/topic.php?id=847&page=8#post-38155">said</a>:</cite><br /> Er, I don’t see the Manifesto there Psychopomp? Just because that is the space where the Manifesto was going to be put, doesn’t mean anything that was printed there before was a Manifesto. The Manifesto came later and as far as I’m aware didn’t change at all until the Boycott group closed. </p></blockquote> <p>Your bullheadedness is <em>astounding.</em> </p>

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Er, I don’t see the Manifesto there Psychopomp? Just because that is the space where the Manifesto was going to be put, doesn’t mean anything that was printed there before was a Manifesto. The Manifesto came later and as far as I’m aware didn’t change at all until the Boycott group closed.

Your bullheadedness is astounding.

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]]> By: Joseph http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-364140 Joseph Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:25:38 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-364140 Shooting and pouncing is bad compared to L4D1. The fov, viewmodel, the feeback, it's all bad. Also, what the !@#$ is with the shotgun's new lag-to-shoot-while-reloading thing? Whoever thought that was a good idea must die! And as always, maps could do with more accessible rooftops and ladders, perhaps some hanging scaffolding in the sky at some parts. For building... clouds. Shudap. Gameplay > realism. /rant The rest is pretty good until I think of something else. Scavenge is pretty good. Shooting and pouncing is bad compared to L4D1. The fov, viewmodel, the feeback, it’s all bad. Also, what the !@#$ is with the shotgun’s new lag-to-shoot-while-reloading thing? Whoever thought that was a good idea must die! And as always, maps could do with more accessible rooftops and ladders, perhaps some hanging scaffolding in the sky at some parts. For building… clouds. Shudap. Gameplay > realism.

/rant

The rest is pretty good until I think of something else. Scavenge is pretty good.

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]]> By: R3D http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363586 R3D Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:04:06 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363586 i am an australian, pitty me as i have to boycot it on principal not becaus of valve, but because of our clasification boards inability to be consistent or affective. im not buying the edit even if i can hack it back to full. i am an australian, pitty me as i have to boycot it on principal not becaus of valve, but because of our clasification boards inability to be consistent or affective. im not buying the edit even if i can hack it back to full.

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]]> By: TacoSupreme http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363569 TacoSupreme Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:09:37 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363569 <a href="http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Games/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A3028216" rel="nofollow">It is $30 at dell right now.</a> $50 was too much for me, but I can spend $30 for it. It is $30 at dell right now. $50 was too much for me, but I can spend $30 for it.

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]]> By: Gorgeras http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363512 Gorgeras Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:34:39 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363512 Rinnox, I see what you did there and it didn't work. You either didn't read what I said or you're relying on your audience overlooking the money players saved by the sub price not going up. Instead your point relies on asserting that 'MMOs are very expensive', something which I have not made any claims to the contrary about. You're arguing with something I've never said. Rinnox, I see what you did there and it didn’t work. You either didn’t read what I said or you’re relying on your audience overlooking the money players saved by the sub price not going up.

Instead your point relies on asserting that ‘MMOs are very expensive’, something which I have not made any claims to the contrary about. You’re arguing with something I’ve never said.

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]]> By: Gorgeras http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363510 Gorgeras Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:29:23 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363510 Er, I don't see the Manifesto there Psychopomp? Just because that is the space where the Manifesto was going to be put, doesn't mean anything that was printed there before was a Manifesto. The Manifesto came later and as far as I'm aware didn't change at all until the Boycott group closed. Er, I don’t see the Manifesto there Psychopomp? Just because that is the space where the Manifesto was going to be put, doesn’t mean anything that was printed there before was a Manifesto. The Manifesto came later and as far as I’m aware didn’t change at all until the Boycott group closed.

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]]> By: JoeDuck http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363467 JoeDuck Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:08:11 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363467 No strawman for me, where I come from, we charge into windmills instead. I am not gifted for words, so I'll simplify... You already won/lost all there was to win/lose. It's over, move on. No strawman for me, where I come from, we charge into windmills instead.
I am not gifted for words, so I’ll simplify…
You already won/lost all there was to win/lose.
It’s over, move on.

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]]> By: Nick http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/11/23/retro-the-l4d2-boycott/#comment-363300 Nick Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:27:08 +0000 http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=21472#comment-363300 Not really, the expansions in EQ were almost all much larger than that and included level cap increases or new spells as well. Not really, the expansions in EQ were almost all much larger than that and included level cap increases or new spells as well.

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