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		<title>By: Jeffthewonderbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Lizard Dude. 

It&#039;s a typo, I guess. Try vociferous.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a typo, I guess. Try vociferous.
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		<title>By: Lizard Dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizard Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 03:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, is voliciferous really a word or did KG make that up Shakespeare-style? Because I can&#039;t seem to find any dictionary entries for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, is voliciferous really a word or did KG make that up Shakespeare-style? Because I can&#8217;t seem to find any dictionary entries for it.
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		<title>By: TooNu</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw this and WOOHOO! JUSTICE!!!!! VIDICATION!!! DEUS EX GO ON MY SON!! :)

It&#039;s like all my Christmas&#039;s rolled into one, beautiful choice guys and I applaud you /clap/clap/clap</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s like all my Christmas&#8217;s rolled into one, beautiful choice guys and I applaud you /clap/clap/clap
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrongs to be righted: oblivion and total war don&#039;t belong within a mile of the top 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrongs to be righted: oblivion and total war don&#8217;t belong within a mile of the top 10.
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		<title>By: The Sombrero Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Sombrero Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simularca is to imitate life, the word you were looking for is simulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simularca is to imitate life, the word you were looking for is simulation.
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tom Camfield

Re. Elite:

PCG did list Elite (1983) in their 2006 top 100 (#65), but from &#039;07 to &#039;09 they have listed &quot;Frontier: Elite II&quot; (1993) on the grounds that it is more easily playable today (&#039;07 = #63, &#039;08 = #74, &#039;09 = #31).

Re. Doom
From &#039;06 to &#039;09 PCG have always listed &quot;Doom II&quot; (1994) rather than Doom (1993) (&#039;06 = #37, &#039;07 = #53, &#039;08 = #53, &#039;09 = #27).   

Re. Dune
No games listed &#039;06 to &#039;09

Re. NWN
Neither NWN (2002) or NWN2 (2006) have been listed this year or last although: 
&#039;07 NWN2 = #90
&#039;06 NWN = #72

Even NWN fans don&#039;t rate the games &#039;original campaigns&#039; that highly - they are/were popular because of the content creation tools, active communities / tons of free contenta and allowing customised multiplayer servers and games run by Dungeon Masters. The most popular official/paid-for NWN2 expansion/add-ons seem to be Mask of the Betrayer (2007) and Mysteries of Westgate (2009).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom Camfield</p>
<p>Re. Elite:</p>
<p>PCG did list Elite (1983) in their 2006 top 100 (#65), but from &#8217;07 to &#8217;09 they have listed &#8220;Frontier: Elite II&#8221; (1993) on the grounds that it is more easily playable today (&#8217;07 = #63, &#8217;08 = #74, &#8217;09 = #31).</p>
<p>Re. Doom<br />
From &#8217;06 to &#8217;09 PCG have always listed &#8220;Doom II&#8221; (1994) rather than Doom (1993) (&#8217;06 = #37, &#8217;07 = #53, &#8217;08 = #53, &#8217;09 = #27).   </p>
<p>Re. Dune<br />
No games listed &#8217;06 to &#8217;09</p>
<p>Re. NWN<br />
Neither NWN (2002) or NWN2 (2006) have been listed this year or last although:<br />
&#8217;07 NWN2 = #90<br />
&#8217;06 NWN = #72</p>
<p>Even NWN fans don&#8217;t rate the games &#8216;original campaigns&#8217; that highly &#8211; they are/were popular because of the content creation tools, active communities / tons of free contenta and allowing customised multiplayer servers and games run by Dungeon Masters. The most popular official/paid-for NWN2 expansion/add-ons seem to be Mask of the Betrayer (2007) and Mysteries of Westgate (2009).
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quake games
&#039;06 Q3A #16
&#039;07 Q3A #17
&#039;08 Q3A #34
&#039;09 Q3A #22
&#039;08 public vote: Q3A #58, Quake #98

Doom games
&#039;06 Doom II #37
&#039;07 Doom II #53
&#039;08 Doom II #53
&#039;09 Doom II #27
&#039;08 public vote Doom #52, Doom II #83

Thief games
&#039;06 Thief 3 #8
&#039;07 Thief 3 #11
&#039;08 Thief 2 #14
&#039;09 Thief 2 #9
&#039;08 public vote Thief 2 #78

SimCity games
&#039;06 SimCity2000 #71
&#039;07 SimCity2000 #38
&#039;08 SimCity2000 #38
&#039;09 SimCity2000 #81
&#039;08 public vote: none listed</description>
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&#8217;06 Q3A #16<br />
&#8217;07 Q3A #17<br />
&#8217;08 Q3A #34<br />
&#8217;09 Q3A #22<br />
&#8217;08 public vote: Q3A #58, Quake #98</p>
<p>Doom games<br />
&#8217;06 Doom II #37<br />
&#8217;07 Doom II #53<br />
&#8217;08 Doom II #53<br />
&#8217;09 Doom II #27<br />
&#8217;08 public vote Doom #52, Doom II #83</p>
<p>Thief games<br />
&#8217;06 Thief 3 #8<br />
&#8217;07 Thief 3 #11<br />
&#8217;08 Thief 2 #14<br />
&#8217;09 Thief 2 #9<br />
&#8217;08 public vote Thief 2 #78</p>
<p>SimCity games<br />
&#8217;06 SimCity2000 #71<br />
&#8217;07 SimCity2000 #38<br />
&#8217;08 SimCity2000 #38<br />
&#8217;09 SimCity2000 #81<br />
&#8217;08 public vote: none listed
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		<title>By: SiUnit</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiUnit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am constantly astounded by the epic journalism of the site&#039;s writers. Not only do they take the piss at every possible opportunity, they simultaneously present well balanced opinions. Long live RPS, the only site who won&#039;t automatically give a game 10/10 just because it has a publisher. You are the unicorn of game journalism.</description>
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>X-COM is ranked #11 under &quot;UFO: Enemy Unknown&quot;

UFO: Enemy Unknown (UK )
X-COM: UFO Defense (North American markets)
X-COM: Enemy Unknown (non-UK european markets &amp; australia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Enemy_Unknown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X-COM is ranked #11 under &#8220;UFO: Enemy Unknown&#8221;</p>
<p>UFO: Enemy Unknown (UK )<br />
X-COM: UFO Defense (North American markets)<br />
X-COM: Enemy Unknown (non-UK european markets &amp; australia)</p>
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. The &#039;public top 100&#039; had 10 or so MMORPGs (Eve, LOTRO, WoW, Guild Wars, Ultima, Everquest 1 &amp; 2, Conan, DAoC, Star Wars Galaxies, City of Heroes) and at least 8 or 9 popular online multiplayers (CoD4, TF2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, CS:S, BF2, Red Orchestra, BF1942).

Of these 19 games only these 5 haven&#039;t appeared in the Official/editorial PCG Top 100 lists (06-09): 

Conan, DAoC, Everquest, Red Orchestra, Ultima Online, 

But 9 other games have also never appeared in (06-09) either:

AoE II, The Witcher, Worms, FIFA, Garry&#039;s Mod, Dwarf Fortress, Final Fantasy VII and VIII, HoM&amp;Magic 3.

A *far* bigger issue wich prevents the Editors 100 being compared with the public vote is that the public vote was not &#039;filtered&#039; by series, like the official one was, namely:

The public vote people voted for:

...2 fallouts, 2 everquests, 2 baldur&#039;s gates, 3 battlefields, 3 C&amp;Cs, 3 call of dutys, 3 civs, 2 counter-strikes, 2 diablos, 2 dooms, 2 elder scrolls, 2 final fantasies, 3 GTAs, 2 guild wars, 4 half-lifes, 2 max paynes, 2 quakes, 2 KOTORs, 2 total wars, 2 UTs and 2 Dawn of Wars (the only games PCG actually bothered to bundle together into a &quot;series&quot; were the football manager ones)...

...which by my calculation means that about 28 or so other games were kept out of the top 100. This is IMO the single biggest drawback in comparing the official and public top 100, and could have been avoided with more effort put into the polling and to the data analysis afterwards (they didn&#039;t even bother to publish the results online).  

Apart from 10 or so MMORPGs appearing in the top 100 (which is maybe double what you&#039;d expect?) the and their being ranked higher than they would normally, it&#039;s worth asking if the influx of all these MMORPGers also influenced the results for loads of single player games - for example I&#039;d guess that extra CoD4 players voting meant that Halo and Gears of war also placed higher and that the extra fantasy MMORPGers are why Final Fantasy VII and VIII also made the list.

However it&#039;s worth noting that &#039;06-&#039;09 PCG haver always included Ultima Underworld II and Ultima VII in their top 100 but have have never listed Ultima Online. Contrast this with the &#039;08 public poll which only ranks Ultima Online and doesn&#039;t list UUII or UVII. Either Ultima MMORPGers *didn&#039;t* simply spam all the Ultima games or UUII and UVII were part of the &#039;long tail&#039; that got chopped off prematurely/bumped. Which brings me back to the biggest problem with comparing the list is not being open, but insufficient data crunching to group games-series together and onl award one place to the top ranked game within each series, like they did for the official 100. Even better in future they could separate out MMORPGs and other genres at either the voting or the analysis stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. The &#8216;public top 100&#8242; had 10 or so MMORPGs (Eve, LOTRO, WoW, Guild Wars, Ultima, Everquest 1 &amp; 2, Conan, DAoC, Star Wars Galaxies, City of Heroes) and at least 8 or 9 popular online multiplayers (CoD4, TF2, Starcraft, Diablo 2, CS:S, BF2, Red Orchestra, BF1942).</p>
<p>Of these 19 games only these 5 haven&#8217;t appeared in the Official/editorial PCG Top 100 lists (06-09): </p>
<p>Conan, DAoC, Everquest, Red Orchestra, Ultima Online, </p>
<p>But 9 other games have also never appeared in (06-09) either:</p>
<p>AoE II, The Witcher, Worms, FIFA, Garry&#8217;s Mod, Dwarf Fortress, Final Fantasy VII and VIII, HoM&amp;Magic 3.</p>
<p>A *far* bigger issue wich prevents the Editors 100 being compared with the public vote is that the public vote was not &#8216;filtered&#8217; by series, like the official one was, namely:</p>
<p>The public vote people voted for:</p>
<p>&#8230;2 fallouts, 2 everquests, 2 baldur&#8217;s gates, 3 battlefields, 3 C&amp;Cs, 3 call of dutys, 3 civs, 2 counter-strikes, 2 diablos, 2 dooms, 2 elder scrolls, 2 final fantasies, 3 GTAs, 2 guild wars, 4 half-lifes, 2 max paynes, 2 quakes, 2 KOTORs, 2 total wars, 2 UTs and 2 Dawn of Wars (the only games PCG actually bothered to bundle together into a &#8220;series&#8221; were the football manager ones)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;which by my calculation means that about 28 or so other games were kept out of the top 100. This is IMO the single biggest drawback in comparing the official and public top 100, and could have been avoided with more effort put into the polling and to the data analysis afterwards (they didn&#8217;t even bother to publish the results online).  </p>
<p>Apart from 10 or so MMORPGs appearing in the top 100 (which is maybe double what you&#8217;d expect?) the and their being ranked higher than they would normally, it&#8217;s worth asking if the influx of all these MMORPGers also influenced the results for loads of single player games &#8211; for example I&#8217;d guess that extra CoD4 players voting meant that Halo and Gears of war also placed higher and that the extra fantasy MMORPGers are why Final Fantasy VII and VIII also made the list.</p>
<p>However it&#8217;s worth noting that &#8217;06-&#8217;09 PCG haver always included Ultima Underworld II and Ultima VII in their top 100 but have have never listed Ultima Online. Contrast this with the &#8217;08 public poll which only ranks Ultima Online and doesn&#8217;t list UUII or UVII. Either Ultima MMORPGers *didn&#8217;t* simply spam all the Ultima games or UUII and UVII were part of the &#8216;long tail&#8217; that got chopped off prematurely/bumped. Which brings me back to the biggest problem with comparing the list is not being open, but insufficient data crunching to group games-series together and onl award one place to the top ranked game within each series, like they did for the official 100. Even better in future they could separate out MMORPGs and other genres at either the voting or the analysis stage.
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		<title>By: Muzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thief 1 is better than both Half-Lives &lt;i&gt;THERE I SAID IT &lt;/i&gt;

(Fallout 3 way up there.  I wonder what that&#039;s going for these days)</description>
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<p>(Fallout 3 way up there.  I wonder what that&#8217;s going for these days)
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		<title>By: Droniac</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outcast is awesome! And there&#039;s a short piece on how-to-get-Outcast-working-on-modern-PCs on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_%28video_game%29#Playing_Outcast_today. Don&#039;t know whether it works in Windows VIsta/7, but it should be good for XP.</description>
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