Rock, Paper, Shotgun

Q3 > UT

By Jim Rossignol on February 25th, 2010 at 10:35 am.


Quake Live is one year old. Officially, anyway, because it had a big old beta before then. And years and years of being a commercially released game before that. So it’s really very old, but sporting a new haircut and trendy jeans. Anyway, Id are celebrating that anniversary with some kind of event, and with a new map. Still no Spider Crossings on the CTF roster though, which is the only birthday present I care about. I still play on here fairly regularly too, those red and blue flags are in my blood. Sigh.

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  1. 25/02/2010 at 10:37 Seniath says:

    Q3 > UT? This man speaks the truth.

    • 25/02/2010 at 10:53 Man Raised By Puffins says:

      UT r0x, Q3 5u><

      (although in truth the purity of Q3 appeals to me more these days; unfortunately I'm terrible at it)

    • 25/02/2010 at 12:08 mrmud says:

      It is indeed the truth.
      Q3 might just be the best multiplayer fps of all time.

    • 25/02/2010 at 19:14 PHeMoX says:

      Wow, hold on! Q3 is definitely NOT the best multiplayer game of all time.

      It’s easily one of the worst when it comes to team matches, CTF and so on. They had to release Q3 Team Arena and still failed at grasping what makes a balanced team-based game.

      Deatmatch is good, but Unreal Tournament has always beaten it when it comes to level design, amount of levels and generally interesting gameplay. Look at how Unreal Tournament introduced vehicle warfare and the ultra-cool other gameplay modes. It easily beats the crap out of Quake 3, Quake 4 and especially Enemy Territory Quake Wars.

  3. 25/02/2010 at 10:40 Colthor says:

    Nah, UT was always better.

    /10-year-old holy war.

  4. 25/02/2010 at 10:44 sigma83 says:

    aha, but WHICH iteration of UT?

    • 25/02/2010 at 10:51 Doctor Doc says:

      It’s obviously better than UT 2003/2004/3. UT99 and Q3 is up the personal preference (that’s right, that first sentence was a fact) but I can enjoy both and I like QL a lot better than Q3 (it’s in the details).

    • 25/02/2010 at 10:52 Colthor says:

      @Sigma83:

      The first one was the best, I reckon.

    • 25/02/2010 at 19:17 PHeMoX says:

      Both UT2003 and UT2004 are easily better than Quake 3, no question! It had more modes, vehicles and nicer levels. Gameplay is fast and visceral. I don’t see why Quake 3 would beat that when it doesn’t even come close.

  5. 25/02/2010 at 10:44 Bob says:

    Couldn’t get into Q3 Live, I’m too much of a Soldier of Fortune 2 fan! Even TF2 is left collecting dust due to me still playing it lol Just wish they would put it on Steam or GOGso there would be some new players

  6. 25/02/2010 at 10:52 DXN says:

    WHAT!?!?!?!

    I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    No, wait. I just threw up out of my mouth a lot.

    No. NO. NO. NO. NO. You are wrong. WRONGEDY WRONG. Your brain is stupid and you can probably only think stupid thoughts. You’re stupider than a box of dogs. You’re stupider than a box of TEN dogs. Someone probably threw you in chemicals or hit you on the head and on the chest with an oar. You probably got brain damage from saying so many wrong things all the time or radiation. Your opinion is wildly divergent from reality and it makes me EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE TO BE READING YOUR ELECTRONIC WORDS. Someone should throw you off of a thing. Someone should insult your possessions and your visage. SOMEONE SHOULD SET FIRE TO YOUR SHOES.

    • 25/02/2010 at 11:01 sigma83 says:

      I do think it’s quite telling that there have been 4 UT games and only one Q3.

      I think the Quake folk nailed it on the first go. I personally like UT more, with, UT 99 and UT 2004 being my personal favorites of that franchise.

    • 25/02/2010 at 11:06 AndrewC says:

      NO IT IS BECAUSE THEY SAW UT AND GAVE UP LIKE THE LOSERS THEY ARE

    • 25/02/2010 at 12:47 LOL says:

      “I do think it’s quite telling that there have been 4 UT games and only one Quake THREE.”

      Quite telling… about your mental retardation.

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:03 sigma83 says:

      I’m gonna open this one up to the polls. What do you folks reckon I should do about LOL here?

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:26 deanimate says:

      Each of you hug a kitten and have a chat over a cup of Earl Grey while each kitten plays with ample wool on the table :)

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:35 AndrewC says:

      Laugh?

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:53 sigma83 says:

      Ew, tea.

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:57 deanimate says:

      Milk then.

    • 25/02/2010 at 18:59 DJ Phantoon says:

      The only thing UT had was the ridiculous nuclear missile launcher you would control after firing it directly and with enough skill could snipe anyone anywhere with it.

      Oh and the teleporter, I guess. Other than that, it was Quake for those with ADHD.

    • 25/02/2010 at 19:24 PHeMoX says:

      Quake 1, Quake 2 also had multiplayer, but that doesn’t matter. Quake 2 multiplayer still beats Quake 3 Arena.

      All Quake 3 Arena really did, was try to turn the Quake franchise into a tournament-like game too.

      Too bad UT already did a much better job at being exactly that.

      I’m pretty sure that’s why they have focused on SP in Quake 4 again for sure and let Raven Software do Quake Wars. Truth be told, that game pretty much fails in comparison to the excellent but critically received Unreal Tournament 3.

  7. 25/02/2010 at 11:03 Tweakd says:

    It’s been a great year for QL, I imagine this next year will bring the masses private servers. Something I am eagerly awaiting.

    And yes QL > UT

  8. 25/02/2010 at 11:05 Tweakd says:

    Jim care to share your QL nick?

  9. 25/02/2010 at 11:17 videogangs says:

    Quake 3 and Team Arena all the way for me. I remember playing this on my Windows ME (ugh I just threw up in my mouth a little) machine, telephone extension cable stretched all the way up the stairs :)

    Something about UT just never felt as pure to me, I remember getting so hyped up about the massive preview in PC Gamer my 13 year old self nearly crapped themselves! I’ve recently removed UT3 from my machine too. I want to like it, I really do but I think if Epic don’t love their own game how am I meant to!

    Still wtb new Quake game in the setting of the first one, maybe minus the faecal colour scheme and definately no Raven dev team…

  10. 25/02/2010 at 11:22 remover says:

    I wish I could enjoy Quake Live.

    Graphics and things aren’t everything, but every time I tried to play, I was soooo put off by it’s 1990 looking graphics.

  11. 25/02/2010 at 11:32 CMaster says:

    I’ve always been a UT boy. Quake 3 kept to the tradition of me not liking any games in the Quake series (or indeed to Doom one). That said, while UT nailed DM best of the series, UT2004 made the game more fun (if adding uncesseary crap as well). Then UT3 was just well, not right, much like UT2003 was.

  12. 25/02/2010 at 11:46 Nimic says:

    I liked Quake 3, but I loved Unreal Tournament. I’d put both UT99 and UT2k4 above Q3.

  13. 25/02/2010 at 11:51 diebroken says:

    DOOM>UT>Q3

    (see what I did there? :P)

  14. 25/02/2010 at 11:53 Pew says:

    Oh Quake vs. UT argument, how I love thee from the PC Gamer UK forums in the late 90′s. Come to think of it, I can’t remember my forum name from those days for the life of me…

  15. 25/02/2010 at 12:01 er910 says:

    Even though UT99 is a great game and had more features, I clocked more hours in and made more custom maps for Q3. QL is fun, I just don’t have time to play it.

  16. 25/02/2010 at 12:07 robrob says:

    Bizarrely, unlike previous posts, you missed the “not” out of the title.

  17. 25/02/2010 at 12:09 Kakksakkamaddafakka says:

    Q1 > Q3 > UT

  18. 25/02/2010 at 12:11 Nick says:

    Q3 ROX UT SUX!

  19. 25/02/2010 at 12:13 zornbringer says:

    i was always the quake fan. no matter what part, i played them to perfection. or at least my definition of perfection. when the first ut came out it was fun and different to quake. but whats very important for me is the art style and the level design. and ut never had any of these better than what id software did with quake.

    also i think quake3 has the best gameplay in a first person shooter till now. the movement, the speed, rocketjumps and whatnot.

  20. 25/02/2010 at 12:26 Kieron Gillen says:

    I do like that this debate still rages.

    KG

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:06 Mr_Day says:

      I can’t believe one of you deliberately got it going again.

      Or can I?

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:06 sigma83 says:

      What debate? The chips have fallen on either side of the ‘purist deathmatch’ and ‘action shooter’ divide long ago methinks.

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:32 Flameberge says:

      Definitely not a debate. No one is going to change their opinion, or even trying to change the other side’s opinion. I think the term “argument” or “holy war” would be more accurate!

      And for the record: UT > Q3

    • 25/02/2010 at 14:53 BigJonno says:

      Agreed, it’s never going to be settled. One side prefers Q3 and the other side is clearly right.

    • 25/02/2010 at 15:00 Nick says:

      I frequently change sides, like the man with no name.

    • 25/02/2010 at 15:09 LionsPhil says:

      Kieron, people still argue over operating systems (even within the Windows camp, between XP and 7, for crying out loud), games consoles, UNIX text editors, and which pretend sky-people supposedly actually exist.

      Stupid arguments with a severe defecit of facts and little relation to genuine debate are a natural part of humanity. At least stupid computer ones involve participants too glued to their screens to do anything as physically demanding as migrate up to violence.

    • 25/02/2010 at 16:18 Heliocentric says:

      @sucram GTFO

  21. 25/02/2010 at 12:29 tapanister says:

    O no you didn’t!!!1

  22. 25/02/2010 at 12:29 bill says:

    UT99 > Q3 > UT2***

  23. 25/02/2010 at 12:37 jon_hill987 says:

    I always liked the Valve port of Quake 1 Deathmatch to the Half-life engine. Deathmatch Classic.

  24. 25/02/2010 at 12:42 Kast says:

    Ah Unreal Tournament. How do I love thee, let me count the ways: Phobos, Face, Deck, “M-M-M-M-ULTIKILL!” Quake 3 is admittedly a brilliant and frantic experience that drills right into the adrenal glands and sets them up to 11 but it couldn’t match the glorious tactical ballet of the Tournament.

    Just try submitting anything for a computer games design course in Q3′s engine, see how far that gets you. Much love for UT3 here, just for the editor and assets! Not that I actually, you know, play it all that much… though strangely I have begun playing it again lately.

  25. 25/02/2010 at 12:48 Wulf says:

    I liked the original UT but I wasn’t fond of any UT after that, I enjoyed Q3, too, love the Live version.

    I wish there was some system where they could allow for custom models, but I can understand why such a feature would be too hard to implement. It’s a shame though, the stuff I romp around with in Live is boring compared to my collection of player models for Team Arena.

  26. 25/02/2010 at 12:56 JonnyBase says:

    Quake baby! Rocket jumping to the mooon!

  27. 25/02/2010 at 13:00 Magic H8 Ball says:

    Jim Rossignol said:

    Q3 > UT

    Riveting tale, old chap.

  28. 25/02/2010 at 13:16 Kari says:

    UT 4 LYFE

    (the original at least)

  29. 25/02/2010 at 13:20 -Spooky- says:

    Unreal vs Quake vs Source Engine? Come on .. serious?

  30. 25/02/2010 at 13:28 Tei says:

    TDWTF style of comment:

    I want the source code of the engine of that screenshot, to fix the particles. Man… a big sprite for the explosion, that clip on the ground. A trail made of “puffs” of smoke. And no, don’t think this is cheap on your netbook graphic card, because this style of particles will ask too much fillrate of your card. /nerd-ism off

    Also, my captcha is UT-SF

  31. 25/02/2010 at 13:34 FernandoDANTE says:

    The title of this piece is bullshit.

    Quake Live is also bullshit, as I was never able to run it.

  32. 25/02/2010 at 13:41 Jesus says:

    UT99>Q3

    Even my apostles agree.

  33. 25/02/2010 at 13:42 DarkFenix says:

    I always hated Q3, but always loved UT. Not the shitty sequels, but the original UT. Fantastic game.

  34. 25/02/2010 at 14:05 the_fanciest_of_pants says:

    UT1 shall always be the TRUE prophet.

    Let none of these slanderous blasphemies trouble your thoughts, true believers!

  35. 25/02/2010 at 14:18 Wulf says:

    I wonder if in 2099 our grandkids will have holy wars over this? Each team starts from their own church, and from there they battle on, trying to take their opponent’s ground. The amazing Science of clone respawners will allow them to fight on (with authentic weapons from their church of choice) until this most holy of questions is answered, with the capture of the sacred flag.

    Someone should make a Source mod about that.

    (Also, blessed be the edit button.)

  36. 25/02/2010 at 14:24 Brumisator says:

    Really, Q3 is a great, but this quake live is garbage.
    The technical side I mean, you have to download all kinds of crappy stuff every time you want to play.

    I find it much more convenient to use my dusty old Q3 CD.

  37. 25/02/2010 at 14:26 deanimate says:

    Ahh, r_picmip 10. Good times :)

  38. 25/02/2010 at 14:31 El_MUERkO says:

    UT > Q1, Q2, Q3, Q3A, Q3TA

    :P

  39. 25/02/2010 at 15:00 LionsPhil says:

    I am glad to see such a loyal outpouring of vigilant believers in Liandri’s finest high-impact sport to decry the foul pornography of lies being spread by this heathen “Jim” fellow.

    Also, all the UT99 > UTlater sentiment. +5, correct. It’s amazing how much flabbier they feel when played in comparison—and how much more like Q3′s obsessively tuned, precision-engineered, über-hardcore deathmatch they make UT99 feel.

  40. 25/02/2010 at 15:12 strangemoore says:

    UT 4 LIFE

    … is what the tattoo says above my butt.

  41. 25/02/2010 at 15:15 Bart says:

    One more vote fot UT. I loved the atmosphere and furious gameplay of the original Unreal Tournament, heck, I even played it on a netbook recently (I won’t post it here, but if you click on my name, you can find the appropriate post on my blog). For me it is an unparalleled experience that makes Quake III look and feel bland. There, I said it.

    QL didn’t do it for me. First it was long waiting in the queue, then it was boring-as-fuck tutorial, then it was trial shootout with annoying bot that changed from mellow pacifist into ruthless killer in last thirty seconds of match, effectively doubling my score and leaving me with my jaw on the floor, then it was MORE waiting, because levels had to load, then it was EVEN MORE waiting in the queue and then QL lost my cache / cookies / server-side data / whatever, because I had to redo the whole tutorial / first bot combo. I was seeing red at that time.

    After all that it turned out to be an online port of ten year old game that for me was ‘meh’ back then and even more ‘meh’ in the current day. Tried a couple matches, played against friends and some online personas, quit it and never came back. I did have one or two UT deathmatches in the meantime and they were still fun, though.

  42. 25/02/2010 at 15:42 Rohit says:

    Been a UT fan for a while, but tried Q3 recently and definitely appreciate its minimalist approach. The game just works.

    Still, that these two games are still being debated over 10 years later shows how great both are, especially compared to today’s shooters.

  43. 25/02/2010 at 16:02 Diogo Ribeiro says:

    I appreciated Unreal Tournament; wasted some hours on that, even going so far as choosing Instagib mode and spawning so many enemies on a map that the chorus of their dying screams and the torrent of fake blood was too much to handle and I quit after coming up with 999 kills in a map.

    But.

    Quake 3.

    The raw, minimalist approach.

    The meatiness of the weapons.

    The flashes of carnage and red whenever I tried to sleep.

    The afternoons spent tossing school books aside and created crappy skins all derived from the main ones.

    The hours and hours of wasted youth.

    The flames of would-be rail gun experts when I blasted them into kingdom come. The long lines of text describing sexual violence against my family – past, present and future – after a well timed rocket jump followed by another near perfect rocket launch got in the way of someone jumping successfully over a lava pool.

    “YOU HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD”.

    Another gaming addiction caused by someone who is no longer a part of my life, unfortunately.

    God, those were the days.

    • 25/02/2010 at 16:24 neolith says:

      I wish games today would offer the simple accessibility to skins and models Q3A did. Man, the fun we had having matches with our own creations still stands unchallenged…

    • 25/02/2010 at 17:00 Radiant says:

      Perfect.

      The full of range emotions in 3 phrases:

      “YOU HAVE TAKEN THE LEAD”
      “YOU HAVE LOST THE LEAD”
      “YOUR TEAM HAS LOST THE FLAG”

  44. 25/02/2010 at 16:23 Jad says:

    QUAKEWORLD!

    I guess my problem with Quake 3 was that I played enormous amounts of Quake 1 (didn’t get into Quake 2), and Q3 was different enough from Q1 to feel … not quite right, but not as different as UT, which was its own wild and crazy game.

    To me, UT distilled the see-man-aim-shoot dynamic to its purest essence with the Instagib mutator. I loved how insane that turned things, it turned the game into some kind of Zen experience, when you tried to shut down as much competing thoughts as possible. It felt like your eyes saw an enemy come into view and send the orders to shoot directly to your hand, bypassing your brain entirely.

    Quake Live has an instagib mode, which is great. I don’t know when that was added to Q3 — maybe it was there from the beginning; I don’t remember it. But the levels aren’t designed for that kind of gameplay as much as UT seemed to be.

    Anyway:id, bring me Quakeworld Live!

  45. 25/02/2010 at 16:25 Koldunas says:

    Way to go, RPS. Ignite a comment war on a trivial post with just five symbols in the title, which don’t have anything to do with the post itself. :]]
    Oh, and as a true UT believer, I condemn RPS and from now on, shall never visit it again.

  46. 25/02/2010 at 16:50 Radiant says:

    Can we please have a moratorium on the phrase “I just threw up in my mouth a little”.

    What exactly do you want us to do with that bit of information?

  47. 25/02/2010 at 16:54 Wulf says:

    All this talk of UT99 is making me want to install it again.

    And a bunch of mods.

    So that I’d have a squirrel running around fragging people and yelling like in a nasally English voice about how he’s going to scoop the hearts of his opponents out with a spoon.

    In fact, I think I still have those mods on a backup disc, somewhere…

  48. 25/02/2010 at 17:05 invisiblejesus says:

    I wrote a poem just for this thread:

    Lo, noble UT
    stands ‘lone atop the food chain
    Quake 3 is 4 newbz

    Thank you, thank you, and thank you. *bows*

  49. 25/02/2010 at 17:07 Lambchops says:

    Oh Jim, you shit stirrer, you!

    Not that I’m going to rise above it – UT was better and following the turnabout rules of UT games (first one brilliant, 2003 rubbish, 2004 brilliant, UT3 mediocre) the next one is going to be a beauty.

    • 25/02/2010 at 19:32 PHeMoX says:

      If you think 2003 was rubbish, but 2004 brilliant, then you obviously don’t know how 2003 = 2004 except for the vehicle-based gameplay.

      Also UT3 is not mediocre, the graphics might be ‘too different’ for some, but the gameplay still kicks ass bigtime.

      To be honest, I don’t see how people can be so stuck in the past thinking about Quake 3 Arena, when every UT game ever released beats it on all fronts. Yes, that’s a seriously claim, but I really think so! xD

    • 25/02/2010 at 22:10 Lambchops says:

      The weapons balance wasn’t quite right with UTk3 and a lot of the maps weren’t up to the same standard as UTk4 (though once some map packs were released that wans’t such a big issue). Plus the vehicles were a revelation at the time. Oh and UTk4 had assault.

      As for UT3, I just never took to it. i suppose mediocre is a bit harsh but I just never felt the urge to play it that much (bear in mind I spent a lot of time just messing around with bots – somehow that just wasn’t as much fun in UT3 as it was back in the older games).

  50. 25/02/2010 at 19:30 SwiftRanger says:

    UT > UT2k4 > Q3 > Q4, in the end though they were all worth playing.

    • 25/02/2010 at 19:35 PHeMoX says:

      I would change it into this: UT original > UT3 > UT2k > UT2003 > Quake 1 > Quake 2 > Quake 3 > Quake Wars > Quake 4 .

      Mind you this is all about MULTIPLAYER. I thought Quake 1 was the best single player game in the Quake universe.

  51. 25/02/2010 at 19:41 Jonnybase says:

    Quake!

  52. 25/02/2010 at 20:01 Uglycat says:

    Today Quake was brought to you by the letter 3 and the colour palette of brown.

    • 25/02/2010 at 21:30 PHeMoX says:

      Which is ironic in a sense, as that’s what people complain about the most when it comes to Unreal Tournament 3. It’s color palette, even though in many levels it’s really not that bad actually. :)

      Somehow I don’t agree with the idea that more colors is better somehow, but I know what you mean there.

    • 25/02/2010 at 22:31 Ace says:

      ztn has all kinds of crazy colors

  53. 25/02/2010 at 22:49 Phydaux says:

    Q2 was my introduction to multiplayer. I had earlier games, just not the internet connection. I spent over a year playing Freeze Tag on one server.

    I never bought Q3 because I enjoyed Q2 FT so much. I never bothered with any of the UT games either.

    QL is great, but I can’t play it much because I get all “Angry German Kid” and my wife doesn’t like me getting mad. I just want to win and play Insta CTF letting the flag carrier thinking they’ve made it just so I can hear “Holy Shit!” one more time. >:D

  54. 25/02/2010 at 23:34 Spacewalk says:

    In UT you will never hear the words “Quad Damage”. So it’s not as good as Q3A.

  55. 25/02/2010 at 23:36 Pantsman says:

    Puns and jokes in the headlines are some of the little things that make RPS so great, but this one puts all previous ones to shame. I laughed long and hard when I read it. Thanks, Jim!

  56. 25/02/2010 at 23:43 sinister agent says:

    I can’t help but wonder if the whole Quake Vs Unreal thing has its loyalties assigned simply based on which game everyone played (for a significant length of time) first.

  57. 26/02/2010 at 00:07 malkav11 says:

    UT all the way. Alternate fire on weapons, weapons that are actually interesting, maps that are actually (visually) interesting, game modes like assault. Also, guess which one became a franchise.

  58. 26/02/2010 at 00:48 Carter says:

    Its interesting when Quake 3 first game out it was attacked for just being an engine showcase even having the gumption of REQUIRING one of those fancy 3d cards, jump foward over 10 years and i play Quake live with the settings tweaked so low it looks like I’m playing in a fish bowled day-glow pastel world, as its the stellar gameplay i care about not how pretty it looks – do wonder if the unreal games will ever have the same lasting legacy

  59. 26/02/2010 at 01:42 Robsoie says:

    Ah the good old UT vs Q3 argument, so many memories of discussion boards in which one of those topic appeared with hilarity ensued with raging flames all over it.

    There was no point in discussing which one of UT or Q3 was the best, it was stupid from the start.
    .
    .
    .
    Everyone knew perfectly that UT was way superior to Q3 :D

  60. 26/02/2010 at 02:51 Biz says:

    q3 has a better engine in terms of responsiveness, smoothness, netcode, and user interface customization

    you can essentially mod ut into q3 if you want just like the other 500 q3 mods. therefore q3 > ut

  61. 26/02/2010 at 03:28 Shadowcat says:

    Quake Live is one year old. Officially, anyway, because it had a big old beta before then.

    Well that makes no sense. Quake Live is still beta. Officially. Just sayin’.

  62. 26/02/2010 at 03:43 nichevo says:

    I’m throwing my hat in with UT. It’s maintained the colourful prettiness of the original Unreal with uniquely interesting weapons. I still play UT2004 with friends… though sadly I don’t have quite enough friends to relive the old Onslaught (aka vehicle) maps.

    Shame about UT 3 though. I think some of the Gears of War genome got mixed in.

  63. 26/02/2010 at 09:25 Rane2k says:

    Quake.

    Tough I can respect UT as a worthy opponent.

  64. 26/02/2010 at 09:45 Gareth says:

    UT99 for me, purely because that’s what my friends played, so it was the obvious choice. I like both, but UT just has the better memories for me.

  65. 26/02/2010 at 13:08 Hmm-Hmm. says:

    I have to go with UT, here. Quake (any version I encountered) never felt right for me. I even liked Unreal before they added the tournament bit.

  66. 26/02/2010 at 14:33 Clippit says:

    Q3 does not > UT >:(

    Having said that, purple railgun + bloom > UT3

  68. 26/02/2010 at 19:13 innociv says:

    More than 5 years ago I’d scream bloody murder at “Q3 > UT”
    But now days, with how games have /degressed/, I don’t care. They’re both good. They’re both gems of the past. They’re both what I miss of the golden era of online FPS.

    I’m going to cry for a bit now.

  69. 27/02/2010 at 01:21 Spacegirl says:

    I always liked the maps and weapons and crazy mutators / gamemodes and vastly superior server browser and stuff in UT99 over Q3. Assault was awesome! 4 team instagib on Deck16 was awesome! All the crazy mods were awesome! That’s the kind of stuff you never got in Q3A. I guess the hardcore DM community for whatever reason attached to Q3A over UT99, maybe because they all came from Q2 (which was totally awesome and better than q3a imo.)

    2k3 was mediocre, 2k4 was sweet, ut3 is a shitfest with horrible looking graphics and awful menus. UT3 is the only game I can think of that actually looked BETTER when I turned all the graphics down.

    Both are fine though and are examples of that types of games no1 plays / makes well anymore.

  70. 27/02/2010 at 04:26 trdbglr says:

    Back in the day, i.e. late 2000 the year of our lord, I actually agonized a bit over which game to purchase Q3 or UT. Back then there were a fair number of UT v Q3 reviews and I must say, most of them came up UT. So I bought UT. I played UT. I didn’t enjoy it very much. Then I bought Q3, and I enjoyed it because it had balls, more precise controls and just felt better.

    No, to my mind, Q3 has stood the test of time much better than UT. FPS aren’t, at heart, about all kinds of crazy, whacked-out shit, but tight controls, good weapons and awesome levels to kill people in. Witness CS, TS.

    And that’s why RPS likes Q3, because they’re not pussies.

  71. 01/03/2010 at 09:14 Teltaris says:

    UT2K4 ftw.

    Onslaught mode, thought not 100% pure FPS, was just ridiculous amounts of fun.

  72. 01/03/2010 at 10:00 Seniath says:

    Re-reading this comments thread makes me happy to be a PC Gamer. Seriously, that we can have this kind of tongue-in-cheek holy war without resorting to fanboyisms like our poor console friends brings a smile to my face.

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