By Alec Meer on May 11th, 2010 at 10:01 pm.
The quiet giant that is Counter-Strike: Source doesn’t get talked about outside of its playerbase all that much these days -we’ve got our newfangled Team Fortresses and Modern Warfares instead – but it is nonetheless massive, has always been massive, and always will be massive. This is only going to make it more massive, I suspect. Valve have unexpectedly chucked out a pretty major update for it, cannily carrying a ‘beta’ tag. It is fatted with several of the digi-trinkets we tend to expect from modern shooters, which may put to bed calls for a full Counter-Strike 2.0 for a while. Or equally it might be exacerbate them, in a strange inverse of the Left 4 Dead 2 response. The internet’s famous Fear Of Change will doubtless play its part in the response to this too. Regardless, this is the exciting tale of the exciting tape: Achievements! Avatars! Death cam! Lifetime stats! Domination/revenge system! Some sort of graphical jiggery-pokery!
Oh lordy-lord, those servers will be on fire tonight… However! The sad fact is that Steam currently proclaims “thank you for your interest. All available slots have been filled.” So if you hadn’t snagged the update already, you’ll have to wait either until the final version releases – which, I suspect, won’t be far off, so as to take full advantage of hype machinations – or more ‘slots’ are opened up. In any case, full details of this significant and forum-adrenalising update are below.
144 achievements added
New lifetime player stats and summary screens
New match player stats and summary screens
New end of round display with MVP and interesting fact about a player
Updated scoreboard with new icons, visual style, MVP stars, and avatar pictures
New cinematic death camera
New domination and revenge system
Added avatar icons to voice chat, scoreboard, and end of round display
Incorporated many source engine updates
New playable team: counter-counter-terrorists
In other Valve news, Steam For Mac finally opens tomorrow, initially offering Portal and Torchlight. Here’s the official blurb:
“May 11, 2010 – Valve announced that Steam will launch on the Mac platform this Wednesday, May 12.
On subsequent Wednesdays, additional collections of Mac titles will become available, each designed to highlight specific functionalities of Steam on the Mac.
The first collection of Mac titles will demonstrate “Steam Play,” which allows customers to purchase a game once and play it on all Steam supported platforms. Gamers who have previously purchased games on Steam will find them available in their account on the Mac as they are released.
Portal, in addition to supporting Steam Play, will be the first of Valve’s Source engine based games available on the Mac. Native OS/X support for the Source engine is also available immediately to licensees for use in their games.
Among the initial titles available on Wednesday will be Runic Games’ critically acclaimed Torchlight. “We’re very excited to be bringing Torchlight to the Mac,” said Max Schaefer, co-founder of Runic Games. “Having Steam for the Mac solves so many problems for us as a developer. We look forward to our future games coming out on the Mac as well.”
In addition to bringing the online functionality of Steam to the Mac, Valve will also make its Steamworks suite of publishing and development tools available on the Mac platform. These include product key authentication, copy protection, auto-updating, social networking, matchmaking, anti-cheat technology, and more. The features and services available in Steamworks are offered free of charge and may be used for both electronic and tangible versions of games.”
11/05/2010 at 22:03 Javier-de-Ass says:
what a worthless update
11/05/2010 at 22:16 Samuel Bigos says:
Sounds good to me…
Sure you’ll get hardcore players saying ‘omg what have you done to our game adding all these avatars and dominations’, like there were when they did this with DoD:S.
I just /care
11/05/2010 at 22:20 Vinraith says:
@Samuel
I wasn’t aware there was anyone still playing CS:S that wasn’t hardcore.
12/05/2010 at 01:12 Samuel Bigos says:
Wasn’t implying otherwise :)
12/05/2010 at 10:26 Thermal Ions says:
@Samuel
I’d have thought CSS players would love the domination part, and any achievements that are sufficiently challenging enough to give bragging rights on their leetness.
06/06/2010 at 01:10 Josh says:
You know with the source engine update to css “hitboxes” will be fixed. They will more closely follow the actual model.
This equals more pew pew and less qq
11/05/2010 at 22:06 robrob says:
Can’t wait to play as the mysterious counter-counter-terrorists.
11/05/2010 at 23:38 DJ Phantoon says:
The kitchen has had ENOUGH of this incessant war! Counter Terrorists eat so messily! And Terrorists don’t even USE kitchens! (They bring sack lunches.)
It’s time for Counters to band together to fight Counter Terrorists!
15/05/2010 at 04:34 Olympia says:
If you played rats there have already been counter counter terrorists
11/05/2010 at 22:11 noom says:
Bluhhh… this update is bad for me. It’s like danging a bag of crack infront of Pete Doherty.
11/05/2010 at 22:12 TCM says:
“New playable team: counter-counter-terrorists ”
whaaaaaaaaaat
11/05/2010 at 23:11 M_the_C says:
@TCM
I’m guessing you get to stand outside the political building of your choice protesting the actions of the Counter-Terrorists. Microphones will be mandatory of course, for collective chanting and the warm up round will become the slogan writing round.
12/05/2010 at 11:41 Carra says:
Well, this leaves them the option to add the counter-counter-counter terrorists in the next patch.
12/05/2010 at 12:56 Mr_Day says:
I was under the impression that counter-counter terrorists are known by the name: Terrorists.
A cynical part of me thinks they are renaming the terrorist team for some reason.
11/05/2010 at 22:16 Oak says:
PwN4geSn1p3r69 has logged 73.4 hrs in Flora’s Fruit Farm™.
12/05/2010 at 00:49 jsutcliffe says:
M4J0RK1|_|_4H has a cat named Tibbles
$UCKITHARDN00BZ graduated with a 2:1 in botany in 2003
-~[arse]~-B4nd1t_911 used to have a labret piercing but his mother disapproved
12/05/2010 at 05:01 M4J0RK1|_|_4H says:
How did you know?!
12/05/2010 at 10:38 Thermal Ions says:
@ Oak: Priceless
11/05/2010 at 22:19 Nige111 says:
Just incase you didn’t get in the beta.
steam://validate/260
11/05/2010 at 22:54 Lizardman says:
@Nige111 Brilliant, cheers for that!
11/05/2010 at 23:10 Lizardman says:
Ehh.. Preload complete? Rubbish. Guess it doesn’t work then.
11/05/2010 at 23:15 HermitUK says:
Far as I can tell, this will let you download the client, but you can’t actually play it. It just sends you to the store page where they gave out beta invites.
11/05/2010 at 22:23 Skusey says:
I think this’ll make me start playing it a bit more, if only for the influx of other new/returning people that it’ll bring. I haven’t played t for a while but don’t think I’ve ever finished higher than last.
24/05/2010 at 01:05 ShroomS says:
Ok first of all iv played half-life cs 1.0-1.6 cz and source . You cant make souce in the cs we all know, well the old time players the one that should be able to speak in this crap your trying to make . I thank u should let everyone play it and send a vote to every player and dont do it in game plz we all know how that turns out , alls i can say is i thank ur making a big mistake I dont i dont have the beta. Note that im trying not to be a dic? in all of this because this is the only thing i care to be heard on , souce was to waggy and the maps r 2 small i close and roll my when i pop sumone thew the wall to the head , just make cs3 and do it right make it look good and real, big maps , small head plz it get boring close rang , and the reg y was it put on the shelf like that come on tryhard go pro shiiiii? fix that plz . well if u cant do that just make a new cs dudes u know u want to, but i slacked on the beta ill be keeping up with it ketcha latter now u got me paying attition now that ur messing it up i thank i want to check it out first . aka MushoomHead OUT~
11/05/2010 at 22:25 HermitUK says:
Wonder if this is related to the Mac release, actually. Maybe they’ve only ported over the Orange Box version of Source, so stuff like CSS needs updating to work over on Apple’s side.
No evidence for that, of course, but if that’s the case we might finally also see the HL2/Ep1 updates with HDR and achievements, which would be nice too.
11/05/2010 at 22:27 DeliriumWartner says:
Me? I’m waiting for the counter-counter-counter-terrorist update.
11/05/2010 at 22:29 durr says:
Is that some kind of advanced British humor that is lost on me again?
11/05/2010 at 22:32 Rick says:
Sounds like the same deal Day of Defeat: Source got. That game just got abandoned, despite promises for an imminent update dealing with minimum “low hanging fruit” a few years ago.
11/05/2010 at 22:57 rocketman71 says:
@Rick: yep. We’ve been waiting a FULL YEAR for an update that’s finished already. Apparently, Valve is just too occupied to release it.
Every three TF2 patches they break something in DoD:S, though, so we don’t really get bored. And they don’t always fix what they break.
11/05/2010 at 22:38 Sagan says:
The counter-counter-terrorists thing has got to be a joke.
Don’t really know what to think about this update. It’s nice I guess. It’s just that I don’t think that CS:S players wanted this, and aren’t going to be grateful for it. They have been playing the same game on the same maps for years. They don’t want change. Even if it might be good change.
Fun fact: Counter Strike is still the most played game on Steam if you combine Counter Strike and Counter Strike: Source.
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
11/05/2010 at 22:54 The_B says:
From my experience so far tonight, this is true.
12/05/2010 at 06:45 DJ Phantoon says:
They… don’t want change?
CS:S PLAYERS HATE OBAMA! And… everything else. I mean goddamn. They’re what Halo players aspire to be. Like if they remade the movie 12 Angry Men, it would be a 6v6 CS:S game where everyone was so full of hatred for the other players they all stop playing the game just to spend time MAD.
11/05/2010 at 22:39 Lizardman says:
I have to say, after years of playing CSS, I’m incredibly dubious over this new update. I honestly don’t think any of this stuff is truly needed, or wanted by the community. Not only that, the potential change of the games balance is going to wreak havok for all the competetive players.
I just hope it’s all reversable.
12/05/2010 at 14:50 Malibu Stacey says:
Highly doubt that. None of the HL2DM/TF2/L4D/L4D2 updates are reversible. Once the main game is updated you’ll be stuck with it.
11/05/2010 at 22:41 The Only Person Who Still Plays Empire Earth says:
Valve hates Day of Defeat Source.
11/05/2010 at 22:59 rocketman71 says:
Totally agree. And hey, I still play Empire Earth!. Love the chinese when playing deathmatch with the expansion in tiny maps ;)
12/05/2010 at 08:27 Sarlix says:
Valve might, but a lot of other people don’t. It’s not uncommon for me to have to queue 10mins to join my fav server.
11/05/2010 at 22:47 terry says:
I suspect the Steam forums will be somewhat lively tonight.
11/05/2010 at 22:48 Amqz says:
Ha! I’m in the beta. Jealous much?
12/05/2010 at 06:09 negativedge says:
…no?
11/05/2010 at 22:49 Blight - majk_ says:
Hopefully they fix the flaws with peeker advantage.
11/05/2010 at 22:56 dog says:
that sounds cool and interesting… theres going to be a fucking riot, isn’t there?
i’m sure theres written internet law somewhere that you can’t change CS and you must only play 3 maps in permanent rotation… break those laws and the world may well end…
11/05/2010 at 22:57 The Walker says:
…Don’t half the currently running servers have these features hacked into them anyway? I don’t see why the community would be angry about it.
11/05/2010 at 22:58 The_B says:
Playing the Counter Strike Source beta is like introducing electricity to cavemen. They don’t know what it is, but they want it dead.
12/05/2010 at 17:46 Malibu Stacey says:
You win the comments thread my good man.
11/05/2010 at 23:00 Schmung says:
The CS/CSS community is (in my experience) is made up near-exclusively of reclusive bitchy moaning types who fear and loathe even the most minor change to their outdated and tedious game, so I have to wonder why Valve is trying to inflame them by doing this.
12/05/2010 at 00:04 Deuteronomy says:
NIce troll.
12/05/2010 at 00:12 Psychopomp says:
Valve are master trolls.
12/05/2010 at 00:36 Monchberter says:
He’s right. CS is the problem that was built to rectify. Appalling closed minded elitism. Shame TF2′s becoming this way too on certain servers.
12/05/2010 at 00:37 Monchberter says:
that ‘TF2′ was built to rectify
12/05/2010 at 09:23 Schmung says:
Exactly. It was fun way back when, but better games have come and gone since then and it retains a player base of rabid fans who fear any sort of change, so I don’t see why Valve have plumbed money and effort into making changes to it when all it’s going to do is piss off the fanbase. Maybe it’s their way of trying to make the remainder of CS players go off and try something new?
11/05/2010 at 23:02 Sph1nx says:
Lol yeah this won’t end well… I’m a huge CSS whore but, idk, I think it might be nice for a change, but I can see where it could go bad.. And wtf is “counter counter terrorist”?! I actually can’t tell if it’s a joke, that’s not good.
11/05/2010 at 23:05 Space-Pope says:
Maybe this update will breath some much-needed life back into CS, and people will actually play Counter-Strike instead of CS with their Zombie-Warcraft-Gungame mods.
While I’m still dreaming, maybe they’ll also play some maps besides Aztec, Dust/Dust2, and Office.
11/05/2010 at 23:12 Anthony says:
I might lurk the CSS forums just to enjoy the inevitable bitchfest.
11/05/2010 at 23:27 Tom OBedlam says:
I don’t really play enough CSS to have much of an opinion here, but it seems a little peculiar for Valve to have done this, feels faintly me-too. Domination and the ilk fit with the cartoony world of TF2, but I’d always thought the CSS world was a bit grittier than that.
I’ll be interested in giving it a bash when it comes out though.
11/05/2010 at 23:28 Vandelay says:
I don’t really understand where the hate for this would come from. Aren’t all the changes merely cosmetic? The only thing that could be gameplay changing is the counter-counter-terrorist side, but that could mean anything and I imagine would only be in a particularly game mode if it is a gameplay change anyway.
I know there are some people that just want to get angry about anything, but this just looks like Valve are wanting to update the game so that it will be a bit more welcoming to new comers.
11/05/2010 at 23:36 Tom OBedlam says:
The counter-counter terrorist bit is a joke :)
12/05/2010 at 00:28 tycho says:
On some maps I think a third team would work well – shame they won’t try it.
These updates could be a way of seeing what the player-base likes/doesn’t like in preparation for a new CS.
11/05/2010 at 23:43 stahlwerk says:
Yay, Torchlight! I hope Runic has the same “buy for Windows, play on OS X” policy that Valve promised for their games. No wait, I hope they don’t because that would totally wreck my productivity. Up until now my MacBook has been a 99% gaming-free rock of cold, hard work-related things. Although I am curious how they will pull it off, keeping the progress of multiple platforms in sync.
Also, come on, Valve: Mac OS X is not related to OS/2 in any way, shape or form. Get yer trademarks straight!
11/05/2010 at 23:48 Tei says:
Is the community thing. Seems CS create it in a natural way.
11/05/2010 at 23:49 TheLordHimself says:
Counter-Strike was the best FPS game I have ever played. Anyone who has been in a 1 on 1 situation in a clan game that mattered will say the same. The tension that game could build was just awesome. I still miss it now – but I doubt it will ever be the same. CS:S was pretty good too when it finally got tuned. As for the update, it will be fun, but I doubt it will make much difference.
I do find it pretty funny (and slightly heart warming) that it is still annihilating most of the competition in regard to stats. Only the AAA $$$ of MW2 can topple it, and even then its hardly a large lead it has.
12/05/2010 at 00:18 juicedup says:
this is amazing i love counter strike even though i only bought it in december this is just what the game needed
12/05/2010 at 00:19 Monchberter says:
It’s a few perfunctory add ons and some compatibility stuff to make sure it’ll run on a Mac. Personally this is fine with me. Dipping back into CS made me realise why I bailed on it a good few years ago.
12/05/2010 at 00:20 Kast says:
*Looks back and forth between this and the second-most-recent article* Introducing Sam Fisher as the Counter-Counter-Terrorist team.
12/05/2010 at 00:37 the wiseass says:
COUNTER-COUNTER-TERRORIST-TERRORISTS! (sorry I had to join the fun)
12/05/2010 at 00:40 Stabby says:
NEEDS MORE HATS
12/05/2010 at 00:50 Springy says:
VISIONARY
12/05/2010 at 00:49 boredgamer says:
Did CS:S just jump to the 5th position of the Steam Top 10 because of this update?
12/05/2010 at 00:51 psyMynor says:
I really can never take numbers for MW2 seriously sometimes. Or any other high-profile game, that isn’t an MMO. After all the years that have passed, Counter Strike (and other games of its caliber) still exist. After all the dust has settled on a new title, they always come home. It just happens that the familiar place of video games for quite a few folks is Counter Strike. For me? If I wasn’t so attached to Dystopia at the moment I probably would go back for that fifth or sixth time. I know eventually I will go back, but I’ve accepted it now. I can checkout if I want to, but I never leave.
12/05/2010 at 01:28 Aemony says:
So, how can I get a Mac in a day so I can try out Steam Play?
12/05/2010 at 01:44 msarge says:
CSS probably still wont work with my crappy router. I still can never connect to games.
12/05/2010 at 01:48 PleasingFungus says:
@Alec Meer: TROLL SUCCESSFUL. Well done!
12/05/2010 at 02:45 Jimmy says:
I am still loading up CS:S a few days a week to play 51 player zombie mods on a server where the names are now very familiar. By right, I should switch to TF2 but it doesn’t seem worth it now until it is repackaged or on offer. Where is it at? Where is it going to be?
Looking at the CS:S beta video, it’s a bit weird going back to de_dust in 2010, but the community maps for the mods, usually based on movie sets, are great and basically keep giving new life to the game engine (mod of a mod). The maps are usually sourced from FPS banana.
12/05/2010 at 03:54 RedFred says:
Jesus Valve. Keep flogging that Half Life horse.
Shameful attempt to cash in on MW2 success clearly.
Although free updates can’t really be complained about.
12/05/2010 at 06:50 Real Horrorshow says:
Implementing features that were brought to the Source engine in 2007 with TF2 which came out pretty much the same time as CoD4…is a shameless “cash-in” on the poplarity of MW2?
……………………………what?
Being a PC gamer, I too know the joys of being angry about irrelevant or minor bullshit is fun, but put some logic into your AIM’ing in the future.
12/05/2010 at 23:41 RedFred says:
So the timing is just a bizarre coincidence?
12/05/2010 at 03:57 Jonathn says:
Wow. Some harsh language. And I took that offensive.
-JJW-
12/05/2010 at 04:51 Snooglebum says:
I have a feeling this is a setup for a new game announcement, like the Portal ARG. Counter-Counter Terrorists is just too silly to be real.
12/05/2010 at 06:22 ThunderPussy says:
Seems like valve is trying to reach out to COD fans?? That is a fail in itself considering most people who play cod are gay for it and think any other fps is….’gay’. I have a feeling that most CSS players won’t be very stoked about this-they don’t want their Counter Strike getting a COD paint job if you know what I mean.
12/05/2010 at 06:47 DJ Phantoon says:
And yet when reading that all I could think was…
OH MY COD! IT’S FOREST!
12/05/2010 at 08:14 Magic H8 Ball says:
.
12/05/2010 at 08:46 natahx says:
I dont belive that CSS can evolui more that that
12/05/2010 at 08:51 Magic H8 Ball says:
Oh come on. There are still counter-counter-counter-terrorists.
12/05/2010 at 09:00 CS:S Anon says:
Just played CS:S beta. So much fail. Remember the complaints when CS:S first started rolling? “Oh these hitboxes suck!” or “These guns are inaccurate!” or “Why the hell do I clip into other players?!”, yeah. That’s what CS:SB brought back. Only now, it’s worse.
12/05/2010 at 09:22 Sarlix says:
Counter Strike Counter Strike I hate you so, the best years of my life you did know.
From Aztec to Dust and militia’s a must. So this is how it goes.
AWP Whore, AWP Whore I hear you cry, for this alone you shall die.
Campers here and Campers there, why do you play the game unfair.
Flash bang Flash bang in the pan, you’d better rush em while you can.
Oh Counter Strike Counter Strike I hate you so, the best years of my life you did know.
Endless hours of endless rounds of endless moaning of endless frowns.
Down the vents and out again, make up your mind man or we’ll lose again.
Deagle and shotgun is all I need, lets storm the front before they see.
Smoke in their eyes and in mine, get the hostages while there’s time.
Oh Counter Strike Counter Strike I hate you so, the best years of my life you did know.
12/05/2010 at 10:10 Shadow Aspect says:
Sarlix, I don’t know if that’s just ripped from elsewhere, but it’s beautiful! :)
12/05/2010 at 10:27 plugmonkey says:
It is indeed.
It almost makes me want to play it again.
But it’s never been the same since they gimped the chaingun in about 2002. :(
12/05/2010 at 11:54 Sarlix says:
@Shadow Aspect
Yes it was ripped from my heart :)
As much as I did once love CS I know I can never go back, my little poem there is an expression of my pain lol.
@plugmonkey
I know how you feel.
12/05/2010 at 09:54 Tei says:
Counter Strike survived the ones like HALO.
OOOHRAY PC GAMES!
12/05/2010 at 11:08 teo says:
Everyone who doesn’t play CS likes to talk shit about the CS community, how it’s just immature kids who hate change that are playing it and on and on.
Guess what, CS has been around for a decade so if the same people are playing it then they’re not kids. CS was for many years a game about constant change, even moreso than TF2, and people stuck with it. To say that CS players refuse to accept change to their game is moronic and to say that the only reason people still play it is because they’re afraid of change and won’t try new things is just putting your prejudice on display.
It’s a popular game because it’s still a good game (CS:S really isn’t, but a lot of people seem to think it is). If you enjoy it there’s no reason to stop playing it, good multiplayer games aren’t something you consume they’re something you keep going back to.
The CS community being horrible was true back in 2000 but it’s not anymore so just shut up.
Valve has never been in tune with what the community actually wants though. CS used to be a game where the community gave input but Valve threw that out the door. Guess what, CS:S was _TERRIBLE_ at release. There are lots of things Valve could do if they wanted to support their CS community but they either don’t give a shit or refuse to find out what people actually want. It’s strange that they don’t considering it’s still one of the biggest online games, you’d think they’d want to nurture that. I don’t know who this update is for.
12/05/2010 at 11:35 Schmung says:
The reason people like to talk shit about CS is almost certainly because they have played it. More than any other multiplayer FPS that I have ever played (and I’m counting modern warfare on 360 here as well) it is full of the sort of elitist, immature, childish angry people who give gamers everywhere a bad name. After any sort of patch or update people bombard the forums with vitriol because they’d changed value x or tweak y. The reason that people classify the CS community in general as being phobic of change is because they are – the game has been unchanged for 10 odd and the people now playing rely on an array of exploits and behaviours that has become second nature to them. Anyone new, or anyone trying to play after a prolonged break gets pinged straight away by people and has to sit our the round – rinse, repeat, tedium TBH.
Dismissing the community as luddites because they refuse to move of is probably a little harsh, but then you can only base your opinion on the evidence put before you and that basis I’m fairly happy to say that about the majority of CS players. It’s a terrible, terrible, broken game – fun at the time, but riddled with engine bugs, poor coding and bad design decisions that require you to be able to exploit those things and play a certain way in order to succeed. The fact that people persists with it in the face of more entertaining fare is baffling to me, but for the fact that a lot of the people playing seem to derive such pleasure in one upmanship that they may not be able to indulge in elsewhere lest their fragile egos be damaged.
I don’t like TF2 either, but I can appreciate how well it’s been designed and where the appeal is. CS was fun in it’s day, but that day is long gone.
12/05/2010 at 11:57 phuzz says:
@teo
I popped back in to CS:S a few years ago, just for the lulz, and within about half an hour I’d been called so many names I think some of them may even have been true.
Of course, the correct solution is to keybind “so’s your mum”.
‘fraid it is true teo, CS players are pretty close minded, and their chat is about on level with the average Halo player (although I assume there is still a few servers with pleasant, close-knit users, but I’m guessing they’re passworded to keep the idiots out)
12/05/2010 at 13:20 teo says:
If that’s the experience you guys had then it’s the experience you had, hard to argue with, but it’s not the experience I’ve had and if I jump into a random server I don’t expect to get called names; maybe it depends on which country you’re in. I’m not saying this to play devil’s advocate, I geuninely don’t have the bad experiences you describe which is why I don’t like you generalizing the entire community.
Also:
“It’s a terrible, terrible, broken game – fun at the time, but riddled with engine bugs, poor coding and bad design decisions that require you to be able to exploit those things and play a certain way in order to succeed. The fact that people persists with it in the face of more entertaining fare is baffling to me”
You’re going to have to qualify statements like that. Terrible and broken? I can’t think of any exploits you’re required to use, there’s not even bunnyjumping in the game anymore.
After StarCraft it’s the biggest e-sports game ever and where I live it’s still on the top seller charts every week. Looking at its player count you can’t say that people should go play better games. It’s not just grumpy vets who are still playing, that’s how games die, new players are picking the game up despite all the claims of it being impossible to get into. A lot of people see something in the game regardless of whether or not you do!
You can’t dismiss it that easily.
12/05/2010 at 14:38 Schmung says:
Saying that it’s popular does not in any way mean that it’s good. A lot of people watch I’m a Celebrity, but I that doesn’t mean it’s actually any good.
As for exploits, bugs and so forth I’ll have to do this from memory, but last I checked bunnyhopping and surfing and variations thereof were still entirely possibly (although the timings are tighter now) due to bugs in the original goldsrc physics code. Not sure if this is still true, but there was another exploit whereby you could fire a shot unaffected by recoil by countering one movement with another for a moment. The recoil mechanics in CS are very predictable and intimate knowledge of them will greatly aid you if you want to do well – the fact they don’t make any sense and could be easily be improved is moot because they’re considered ‘part of the game’ which says a great deal about the CS community. I dare say there’s a ton more I’ve forgotten about.
Broken gameplay? Right. The monetary awards and effectiveness of the guns (damage, accuracy etc) were such that there is almost always a ‘best’ option in any given scenario and that this is the one that the majority of people utilise. There are map exploits that have been present since late on in the betas, but have never, ever been fixed and so on and so forth.
Frankly, I can dismiss the game as easily as I want, because I spent bloody ages playing it and got thoroughly fed up doing so. Going back to it only brings those feelings into sharper focus. I could understand a small hardcore still playing and enjoying it because that’s the nature of things, but the fact that it continues to attract such a vast crowd and the fact that so many of them are complete dickheads seems somehow inextricably linked.
12/05/2010 at 14:41 Schmung says:
Christ, this place needs an edit button. I keep forgetting it doesn’t have one so I can’t go back and fix things.
Pretty much, what I am saying is that my dismissal of the game is mostly down to personal opinion and experience, but that there are aspects of the game that are quantitatively broken.
Or something.
12/05/2010 at 11:19 HybridHalo says:
Personally, I’m for the updates.
The vast majority of servers have a load of server side scripts hacked on which already handle the dominating/revenge elements (as well as a billion mp3′s you have to download when you first connect). A problem is that these scripts despite doing the same thing are rarely standardized.
Having a cosmetic update with a few small visual flourishes aren’t amiss in CS:S at all. On public release the game will be fundamentally exactly the same, with absolutely nothing preventing people from continuing to run their own server scripts.
The only slight negative is that for the last year I’ve played nothing but gungame and multigame. I’m way past my glory days, so for achievements to appear now is perhaps inconvenient. Oh well!
12/05/2010 at 12:19 Azazel says:
A lot of what has been said in this thread rings true with me. It resonates you might even say.
Though I’m replacing all occurances of the letters ‘CS’ with ‘QW’.
12/05/2010 at 12:48 itsallcrap says:
Surely a counter-counter-terrorist is a terrorist. Kind of like 2 + 2 is the same as 2 – (-2).
No?
12/05/2010 at 13:50 Fumarole says:
Although free updates can’t really be complained about.
And yet you didn’t let that stop you..
13/05/2010 at 00:53 RedFred says:
And why would I?
12/05/2010 at 15:02 Novotny says:
I didn’t appreciate the hate for Source at the time of it’s release. I thought it was fantastic, though not without it’s teething problems.
My clan topped the ED premiership in 1.6, and I wrote an article for PC Gamer regarding the UK scene.
Nevertheless, as soon as Source came out, I jumped ship immediately.
Some people will always despise change, for reasons outlined by previous posters.
I for one welcome the return to wall-banging – the main thing I missed about 1.6
Frankly, I’m besides myself with excitement and am utterly gutted I didn’t get onto the Beta. Did manage to knock up a server last night though – just couldn’t play on it.
Lombardi, if you’re reading this – how much money do you want to let me in?
12/05/2010 at 15:54 Jayt says:
Alec I am going to steal this quote (and place your name next to it of course):
“The internet’s famous Fear Of Change will doubtless play its part in the response to this too.”
12/05/2010 at 16:35 Sir Derpicus says:
>New playable team: counter-counter-terrorists
WHAT.
12/05/2010 at 17:40 returntonull says:
The CS:S forums are of course hilarious right now. I think the most quote worthy bit so far has been:
“If you do not play this game competitively your opinion is not valid. You think that by making the game more fun it is somehow better.”
I kinda want to believe that it’s this magnificent troll, but then I remember that this is the CS community.
12/05/2010 at 18:00 Malibu Stacey says:
That’s an epic quote!
12/05/2010 at 17:49 Freekill says:
Man this update sounds cool for me… But i think its better make another game mode like… Hardcore (name is opicional) Thats is like the normal counter strike: source but without the revenge and killcam… And the normal gameplay, thats you can ears weapons to replace the default ones, habilities like earn 10% of money every round, change starting weapons when spawning… You know… This type of thing!
(sry if bad english)
12/05/2010 at 17:52 Freekill says:
And the archeivments is GREAT personaly!
(sry double post)
12/05/2010 at 17:58 Malibu Stacey says:
Funny thing is I’ve seen tons of CS:S players bitching about it being on an ancient release of the Source Engine (Source Engine 2006 along with HL2, HL2DM & episode 1 according to the SDK update yesterday). VALVe are updating it to Source Engine 2009 (same as TF2, DoD:S & Portal) so you get all the engine improvements like multi-core rendering & better Anti-aliasing yet there will be the same people who have been moaning about a lack of updates now moaning about this update.
It’s pretty obvious this is being released so they can have CS:S on Macs & only have to update one codebase rather than 2 or 3. I’d fully expect HL2, HL2DM & Episode 1/2 being updated accordingly as they become available for the Mac too (Portal was the first to get the update & it’s no coincidence it’s the first Source Engine game available on the Mac).
12/05/2010 at 18:49 direktors says:
i dont mind having some updates, achivements and stuff.
12/05/2010 at 20:54 kyle says:
the main reason most people who still play counter strike will be pissed off is that they havne’t updated and fixed bugs in the game for a long time, then they come up and update it with a bunch of additions
if they fixed the reg issues and a couple of bugs the game would be near perfect, instead they add achievements. I wouldn’t mind achievements at all even though they are worthless to me if they fixed the game.
12/05/2010 at 22:50 grayan55 says:
You know how counter terrorists are against the terrorists? And counter counter terrorists must be against the counter terrorists. Maybe the counter counter terrorists are against both the terrorists and the terrorists. I’m sure the terrorists and counter terrorists would be against the counter counter terrorists too. Seems like an innovative concept. I’m sure it would be fun on some servers. I think valve is trying to be a bit too much like modern warfare 2. The game by the way.
12/05/2010 at 23:12 Grape Flavor says:
bleh. Valve continue to diligently create, update and port everything I couldn’t possibly care less about. Steam for Mac, updates for CS:S. Yawn.
Apparently Episode 3 is the only thing possibly lower on Valve’s priority list than giving us the HL2/EP1 updates that have been released on the 360 for what, almost 3 years now?
I’ve pretty much lost interest in Valve lately. Maybe I’ll just check back in 5 years from now to see if they finally did anything interesting.
13/05/2010 at 17:25 Malibu Stacey says:
Genius I guess you don’t get that Steam on Mac’s is what’s going to bring you the HL2 & Episode 1 updates you’re asking for.
Irony++
12/05/2010 at 23:20 |LSD|Hippy says:
I applaud you for your Hotel California refrence at the end XD made my day. As for the update I have…mixed feelings, first off it will be entertaining no doubt, but the reason everyone is bitching is that Steam is going to break all scripts in CSS with this update. The head admin of our clan is furious because he just got done finishing a script for our server…and for nothing. CSS players are going to bitch because their skins, gg scripts, bhop scripts, hacks, warcraft scripts are all gonna crash and it will be apocalyptic. There will be rage quitters but in the end those that truly adore the game such as my clan will stick in and keep playing
12/05/2010 at 23:26 Schrodinger's Lolcat says:
(This is all under the assumption you are addressing the original Counter-Strike 1.6 and not it’s bungled cousin, Source. Forgive me if I misunderstood.)
Aye, just like in Quake and a million other shooters. Are Quake and Serious Sam “terrible and bugged”? At what point does it go from being a bug to being a feature?
Nope. Even if you’re talking about stopping yourself from running one direction by moving in the opposite the shot is not “unaffected by recoil.” Shots like that haven’t existed since 1.4.
How could it be improved? What does this sentence even mean? You don’t like guns with predictable recoil? That makes the gameplay “broken” because you can learn the guns’ patterns and get skilled in them?
Have you ever played competitively? Do you understand how the team economy system works, how it’s been fixed and adjusted over the years? Do you understand the concept of “save round” versus “buy round”? Do you understand the difference of a grenade heavy-opening versus a deagle-armor rush?
There is no single “best.” It’s a matter of positions played, the strategy of the other team, their skill, your skill, the map you’re playing on, how many rounds you’ve won/lost previously, how many rounds you’ve won/lost in a row… I could go on all day…
Um, then you haven’t been playing in the last three to five years. The community themselves updated the maps to remove exploits like illegal flash errors and have been systematically removing the engine exploits with serverside plug-ins like zBlock. They’ve been doing what Valve hasn’t.
No, it’s not and you certainly don’t make a case for this with the meager evidence you’ve provided. From the sound of it, it’s a game you don’t like anymore and one that you understood on a very surface level.
Counter-Strike is not a perfect FPS but it is a very, very competitive one. Of course there are always going to be people who don’t understand what all of the fuss is about… the same ones that don’t understand why people have played Starcraft for so long. They look at the huge player bases these games maintain and are stupefied and scoff at those who are “living in the past” or “luddites” about gaming.
For them, the paradigm of a game as a sport is impenetrable and they will remain mystified and dismissive because it frustrates them. Why would you want a game that never changed? they ponder. It’s a bit like saying: gosh, why would anyone play soccer anymore? I mean, it’s been the same set of rules for decades now…
If what you were saying was true, that the game was “terrible” and “broken,” people wouldn’t play it anymore. The competitive scene wouldn’t work because it cannot create skill hierarchy with games that are inconsistent on that level. That’s part of the reason why the Source competitive scene is anemic in comparison to 1.6.
The fact is that Counter-Strike is an extremely strategic, demanding, team-oriented shooter. You have to be damn good and intelligent to play it at a high level. If you don’t approach it on those terms, of course you aren’t going to understand it.
13/05/2010 at 14:04 Schmung says:
13/05/2010 at 03:07 spliffligious says:
From what iv seen of the update so far, its a step in the right direction at best. until they work out the old bugs and ad down the sight aim…. fuck it
13/05/2010 at 08:33 Rick says:
They wouldn’t have contracted an outside studio just to do some UI updates and work some netcode – so far, its just what DoDS got, Valve is capable to do that by itself. I think that when this goes live, we’re going to have something substantially more. I’m hoping for a complete graphical update with new models, textures, sounds, etc, stuff that Valve may not have the time/resources to do itself what with the other projects they’re doing. The game has become quite dated graphically now, and updating the visuals would help breathe some new life into it.
13/05/2010 at 08:42 Snitchables says:
Valva is turning Cs:s into a rubbish game with these updates, counter strike is meant to be played as a competetive game instead of lvling and ranking etc. making it more simular to cod. which is a rubbish game.
-snitchables-
13/05/2010 at 16:44 cestodd says:
COD:MW 2 have clearly the best cinematic death camera it like an instant demo , good for detecting cheaters …… but they chose to copy TF2 :((
13/05/2010 at 17:43 Bisa says:
Idk about Cod since I didn’t play it, but IMO TF2 is horrible, especially when compared to CS:S
That’s just my opinion. Btw you people shouldn’t get offended since everybody has an opinion and has the right to express it, there is no need to argue.
13/05/2010 at 18:30 Richard Ellicott says:
Valve we love you xxx :)
after the bitter letdown that was COD Modern Warfare 2 I can’t wait to have an excuse to play counterstrike again
plush with your well deserved spoils of the multiplayer Gem that is Left 4 Dead 2, not to mention Portal, you are taking on the big boyz and the world
It brings a tear to my eye !!
pretty please don’t you ever dare retire gabe
13/05/2010 at 19:11 madril says:
i think this is a good step to bringing back CSS into a big time fps. i’m not going to expect anything MAJOR as it is just an update and not an expansion or new game title. but i do like the update.
13/05/2010 at 22:34 Cheesy Goodness says:
I’ve been a long time lurker of this site. I’ve pretty much moved on from CS and only dabble in it from time to time. I do still find the game fun and used to be rather addicted.
One thing that has often bothered me about CS is the community. I know I’m not the only one either. The competitive scene is so elitist and hate-filled that the official forums quickly became a running gag. If you are not a “pro” gamer, you are shunned as a buffoon with no creditability and should be directed to the nearest concentration camp.
Also, many of them often admit that the game is no longer about fun for them and is only about the competition. Being competitive at a sport, video game or any other type of contest is perfectly fine. However, when you remove the main reason for taking part in a form of entertainment, it becomes rather meaningless to me. What was once a video game is now a chore. You have perverted the very meaning of its existence. Games are meant to be a distraction and a form of escapism.
In addition, these “pros” would also have you believe that they all make a huge income from partaking in tournaments. That may be the case for a very small minority. Gamers like Fatal1ty are a rare exception to the rule. Though, I’m pretty sure he probably makes most of his money from endorsements like any high-profile athlete. I would bank that I probably make more money than the vast majority of these people, and I’m not rich by any stretch of the imagination.
To reiterate what I’m saying, you can play the game however way you want, competitive or not. I just have a problem with the arrogance and hostility. Anyways, getting to the topic on hand, I will reserve my judgment on this update when it becomes live. Until then, I will have to contend with the hyperbole swirling around the Internets.
14/05/2010 at 05:45 Jacob says:
I don’t consider myself a hardcore CS player. But I still play it and consider it the greatest FPS ever made. I don’t think in gameplay terms a better multiplayer FPS has come out since Counter-Strike. Sure FPS have come out with a lot better graphics and features blah blah blah. But when you look at Counter-Strike its the most strip down basic formula that works brilliantly. The gameplay is so good people could care less about the hideous graphics. I’m just confused as to why Valve has taken so long to update the franchise. I know they are a small team, but they really need to focus on the next version of the Source engine and CS2.
So thats my opinion from a non-hardcore CS player who still plays CS and CS:S and welcomes changes, because lets face it playing the same sh*t is getting old.
14/05/2010 at 07:43 fescorpion says:
That’s not gonna happen like coun- coun terrorists,
maybe joke or wrong information,
whatever it not gonna happen
14/05/2010 at 16:13 Daryl says:
I’ve recently returned to CS:S so I’m pretty excited about this update. CS:S is in desperate need of some changes and it’s about time Valve finally got around to updating it. I don’t know how this will affect the community since I haven’t played the beta but I doubt it will be substantially different.
I’ve not really encountered any of this elitist hatred that a lot of people on here are talking about. I don’t know what kind of servers the people that do are frequenting but I don’t see it. There are plenty of servers that have mature players who aren’t constantly calling anyone who gets killed or has a negative KDR ratio a noob and telling them to uninstall or whatever.
14/05/2010 at 17:00 Revenger says:
… Why … css is a greate game are they freaking going to ruin it ! why dont they just make a new game named CS1.7 XD for srsly if we want to play domination or hardcore mode why dont we just look for Maps who got that mode?. this will have a huge negative effect at css!!
15/05/2010 at 08:25 Abyss says:
I don’t consider myself ‘hardcore’ but DOD was pretty damn sweet until the ‘source’ update. Not that it was ever realistic but I definitely thought it was more fun before they made it more arcade like.
15/05/2010 at 09:01 Bowlby says:
I loved DoD in its day, and even remember competing in one of the Jolt tournaments and getting to quarter-finals with my team. Good times.
15/05/2010 at 22:03 Steevo says:
Not a worthless update. It birngs CSS into line with other games from the stable by adding achievements and the engine updates are likely to include things like making CSS multithreading.
Im really looking forward!
15/05/2010 at 22:45 Mike says:
:( This sounds bad. Iv played CS:S for 5 years. They are basically turned it into CoD. People who want all that stuff such as death cam and avatar pics play CoD. I have nothing agains CoD but CS:S is good because it is original. When it starts copying other games it becomes worse:(
15/05/2010 at 22:55 Sam says:
SOUNDS BRILLIANT, MAKE CSS LIKE COD, IT WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER, BRING IT ON!!!
16/05/2010 at 01:17 cscrackhead says:
Counter strike is bar none the greatest game ever in gaming history, to update it and play with its format is scary to say the least but its gotta be done before it gets outpaced by modern welfare(bleh) which is just a mouseless counter strike clone with better graphics. CS and CSS are right next to super mario and pong you know you were hardcore into gaming when you spent at least one entire night playing it instead of sleeping lol if you havent then you weren’t a hardcore cs gamer. It has survived the other games because it was fair,(of a sort…) fun, addictive and usually made for fast gameplay that didnt require you to pore over your equipment and personal upgrades for hours or hump around retarded guns you dont like just to get an achievement…CS also allows the biggest teams in gaming, 16 on 16 to play usually comfortable with little lag issues…. now anyway lol huge potential with the right touch-ups in the right spots could take the crown of gaming easily again as it had dominated it for years before more visually stunning games were released.
16/05/2010 at 09:04 AtariRiot says:
hopefully it wont be like the dynamic pricing fail.
HDF NN xD
17/05/2010 at 18:59 LKFX says:
The competitive play of CSS is now ruined. CSS players have learned to play around the bugs and defects. I was lucky enough to get the BETA, and i can tell you, it was horrible. This game is decently old, so stop fucking with it, and leave it as is. Valve needs to create a new counter-strike if they want to change it so bad. Please Valve, leave the game the way it is!
18/05/2010 at 05:48 OpieSays says:
I would like for a graphics update if anything!!!
19/05/2010 at 18:56 Lizard King says:
I don’t know what all the bitching is about, I swear Valve could package $100 bills with their games and people would bitch about the way they were folded.
20/05/2010 at 14:07 M4rsh says:
Anyone remember the last update?
Ha! Dynamic pricing sure was a load of bollocks.
21/05/2010 at 03:57 Spacecat says:
Shocking ..
21/05/2010 at 04:15 Spacecat says:
Gather round children, as I speak of a Golden Era of Counter-Strike.
Twas the summer (northern hemisphere) of 1999; the Millenium Bug was a looming fear, and the Twin Towers still stood ..
Counter-strike (beta, pre-v1) updates occured on an almost weekly basis; I remember running around ‘desert’ trying to kill a T with an empty pistol, thinking some sort of knife would be a great addition ..
It was a great time – an exciting time – maps came and went, slowly settling on the classics we now use; new guns (and versions of guns) appeared regularly, modeled and textured in the realistic style that really helped make CS so popular.
Giddy times we will never see again; so yeah, bring on some changes, and pooh-pooh to the crusty little turds who want to preserve ‘their’ game; CS started out as a mod itself and owes it’s heritage and popularity to a lot of the mods (GG, DM etc) that have ensued.
21/05/2010 at 14:13 SuperSoldier999 says:
this game needs more weapons and vechiels with challenges to unlock weapons and vechiels.
22/05/2010 at 12:32 viT.. says:
so so true man… i really just want engine updates for better graphics…
23/05/2010 at 03:01 jordancalifornia says:
Valve needs to make sure it is a great update with as little errors as possible or it will probably not be given a second chance later on. I think it has much promise as long as its a good update and not a “half ass” project. Fixing hitboxes and recoil in my mind is the #1 factor, however I do not know what valve is focusing on. Good luck to the valve team to bring this update to daylight and change the game forever. Can’t wait to play the polished product.
24/05/2010 at 10:46 Magic H8 Ball says:
But this is all about CSS right? You can always go back to normal CS.
25/05/2010 at 00:19 x-player says:
there should just be a new counter strike all toughether counter strike condition source or somthin lol just a brand new game and lots of gamers will buy :D
25/05/2010 at 00:26 luCky says:
the only part i dont like is the deathcam. trying to make this game call of duty is a very very bad idea
28/05/2010 at 07:06 Xialiba says:
“Counter-Counter-Terrorists”. what the fuck, doesn’t that mean that they are terrorists?
29/05/2010 at 01:54 LuL says:
you forgot inferno and nuke
XD
29/05/2010 at 04:54 ThatGuyYouKnow says:
Theres no need to give a already great and striving game a update. CSS is already fine as it is. I also heard that the update is going to get rid of the mods and replace them with game modes. If this is true i would like to point out that its like turning from a democracy to communism. Democracy: You make and download your own unique and specific game mod. Communism: We provide you with the game mods but they are probably gonna suck.
29/05/2010 at 16:36 ukiri says:
Just hope Valve don`t screw CS up the way EA screwed Battlefield 2,now almost unplayable on my pc
30/05/2010 at 20:27 ThaCoola says:
Well, I’m not like totally hardore, but kinda soft-hardcore Css’er, but still I kinda think the update isn’t a good thing for CSS. Sometimes you just dun care and rush, or play in funservers which bring your kd/r down like hell. I think I’d have to play a lot more serious then, as I don’t wanna screw up mah stats.
03/06/2010 at 08:48 Plop says:
Go here : here
03/06/2010 at 18:32 coolshow7 says:
When are they freaking releasing CSS on mac. I am patiently waiting but Im running out of patience :)
Please please please Steam release Counter Strike Source on Mac OSX
I am tired of my partition only for Windows :(
04/06/2010 at 04:23 Redturner says:
Well I think the reason people will throw a fit is because they love their CSS. In all honesty I think anyone whos been playing it for a year or more thinks that too. I don’t think this is at all a COD ripoff,what you have to remember is the multiplayer of MW and MW2 is just someone trying to ride CSS’s enormous wave of rabid FPS-aholics who would sell their first child to get the next new title. I think this update will be initially loathed,but eventually loved. No matter what it’s still the CSS we love.
06/06/2010 at 16:15 Lucas says:
Hey there, i was just wondering if anyone else have got this flashing screen all the time while playing CS:S lately?
Please response Take care,
06/06/2010 at 16:58 Slowmojoe says:
Wow, just wow, perhaps you should spend a little time reading your comment before posting to make sure it is coherent.
06/06/2010 at 23:19 Rongahangsimowaderumgay says:
aim down sight would be pretty sick >.<
07/06/2010 at 05:09 NoyZ` says:
wtf this is the biggest meesss to clean up it will be come “gay” y is it a up dsate just dont playy it play css if it gets gay then qq and quit the update will bew the end of css. ty NoyZ`
07/06/2010 at 09:59 Benjamin says:
i believe that this update is to try and compete with Activision’s ever growing fan base for the CoD series. This is a turn in the right direction as it introduces new players into the game style that we are all so used to nowadays. for the full time gamers who live in their mumma’s basement and play cs:s all day i say toughen up. things change and i think it is time for this legendary beast of a game to take a makeover. it is not that serious anyway. just a couple of added acheveiments and stuff like that. and the killcam will work well(as long as you can skip it).
09/06/2010 at 18:43 Melvin Smiley says:
COUNTERISTS?
13/06/2010 at 14:23 Ryan says:
Counter-Counter Terriosts…. Wth is this crap
14/06/2010 at 16:35 samsaker says:
Tbh I have mixed feelings about this. I’ve played css for 4 years now and have only recently got into the more serious side (mixes, matches tourneys etc). On one hand I think public servers will be greatly improved however i want to know what impact this will have on match style games. I realy dont want these ruined just as ive got into them. I missed out on the beta so dont know many of the details.
And the view you have about the people on cs:s is really about the community you play with. The communities i play with (gamingdeluxe, ukgaming.net and my clan “enigma clan”) are fantastic and they keep a lid on any idiots. I’ve never had a full on serious argument and we all play for laughs. I’ve seen lots of communities that turn the game into a massive flame war for no reason so I avoid them. You can’t solve this problem as there are idiots on every game it’s just that as cs:s is more of a community game so you’ll notice it more.
17/06/2010 at 13:31 Status says:
Yea, i have recently just got more into the tournament side of CSS, ive played for about 4 years on CSS and started on half way threw 1.6. hoping to go further than cups etc (by going LAN), my thoughts of this update are just pointless, if somthing isn’t broken, it does not need fixed. it will just be fun for pub whores. The reason some people rather play CSS rather than COD or that is because of stuff like this on it -_- , i dont think i will give much a damn for killing 100 people on a stats page that i wont lead anywhere rather than noobs careing about theres. CSS is good because of the way it is to this date
17/06/2010 at 14:23 OMGWUTSHAPPENING says:
What will happen to all the Mod servers everyone is playing? I think this update will seriously screw them up :/
17/06/2010 at 21:44 Ayre says:
LOL
20/06/2010 at 03:14 The Illusive Man says:
Ok first of all iv played half-life cs 1.0-1.6 cz and source . You cant make souce in the cs we all know, well the old time players the one that should be able to speak in this crap your trying to make . I thank u should let everyone play it and send a vote to every player and dont do it in game plz we all know how that turns out , alls i can say is i thank ur making a big mistake I dont i dont have the beta. Note that im trying not to be a dic? in all of this because this is the only thing i care to be heard on , souce was to waggy and the maps r 2 small i close and roll my when i pop sumone thew the wall to the head , just make cs3 and do it right make it look good and real, big maps , small head plz it get boring close rang , and the reg y was it put on the shelf like that come on tryhard go pro shiiiii? fix that plz . well if u cant do that just make a new cs dudes u know u want to, but i slacked on the beta ill be keeping up with it ketcha latter now u got me paying attition now that ur messing it up i thank i want to check it out first . aka MushoomHead OUT~
Grammar, you’re doing it wrong!
20/06/2010 at 07:55 Bert says:
why do I need a death cam? I know how I died, I was there……..
20/06/2010 at 08:29 Heliocentric says:
Death cam is more about what killed you than watching yourself keel over.
Does bad company have a death cam? BF2 was a game which would have been equally been ruined and fixed by a death cam. Hell, as a sniper being hidden is my shield, as a grunt running across a field i really could do with knowing how i died.
21/06/2010 at 21:49 Mykill says:
Why does a round based game need a death cam?
It isn’t going to help because you don’t respawn instantly to go and kill the
awp whore sitting in a tower.
As for the other updates.. meh.
Not necessary, but could make sitting staring at your screen
on those long campy-terrorist rounds more entertaining.
23/06/2010 at 20:12 Dynastar says:
Counter- Counter- Terrorists. Maybe instead of 1 team on 1. Its now 1-1-1. Sort of what GTA4 did online. More than one team against all.
Someone said better games have come and gone since CS. what are they?? I havnt seen a game that comes close to the gameplay of cs. If you say CoD or battlefield ill laugh till i piss in my pants.
24/06/2010 at 00:53 THOMAS says:
you guys are fucken idiots people play CSS because its original your just fucking up the game for everyone seriously the update is gonna be shit and then CSS is gonna be shit we dont play modernwarfare because CSS is better than it now your gonna go put them together and fucken destroy CSS what is wrong with you guys why would you guys even think about doing this
(i do not care if this is abusive you guys need to know the truth)
THIS UPDATE IS FUCKEN SHIT AND YOU GUYS FUCKED UP CSS YOU FUCKEN IDIOTS :@
24/06/2010 at 02:13 Lance says:
I can’t wait till we arm the nerdy hostages and call them bean-counter-terrorists and bean-counter-counter-terrorists!
24/06/2010 at 19:32 jonas says:
no one want’s the update, i think it’s a ridiculous update
24/06/2010 at 21:04 blueyes77 says:
About 5 thousand MAC players are happy campers now, that they can buy CS:S under 10 dollarinos.
and sametime there are 22 thousand people very happy that Valve ruined their full paid price game called CS:S
Sources:
Mac forums -> http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=892
CS:S petition -> http://www.petitiononline.com/cssource/petition.html
25/06/2010 at 11:10 Just a random gamer says:
This update spells the doom of competetive css playing. The 66-tick only servers are lagging like hell, and though mainstream users might not feel it or be affected by it, the esport/competetive communities will.
After 30 minutes of playing, I have realised that if valve doesn’t do anything about this, we have move on to another game.
I’m not really a pro css-player. I play a few matches every week with some friends, and have no high ambitions whatsoever. This update is ruining the fun.
25/06/2010 at 19:35 fuck you valve says:
this update is a crap !! rollback the update and make css be like before it! don’t destroy the pleasure of all players to play css!! you fucked this game VALVE! fuck you all ! this shit upgrade is like mario. pro players play lan to earn skill not achievements and fucking stars . why does anybody tell us what will happen with the update in the next day so i can buy me MW2 ??? best reguards to the valve team from all pro css players who signed the petition FUCK YOU VALVE!!!
26/06/2010 at 01:26 bomber says:
yes
26/06/2010 at 21:32 Пых-пых says:
Сок “ДОБРЫЙ”, 2 литра.
Просрочен, пахнет гнильцой, и пара хабариков.
Продам за 240 евро.
26/06/2010 at 22:45 BEN says:
Pojeby zjebaliscie cala przyjemnosc gry !@!!!!
28/06/2010 at 12:31 PaPa'Zea says:
Give us back the css before the update … why they did that ? c’mon !
05/07/2010 at 12:03 Invision says:
I’m to lazy to read all these comments, but I saw something about “Counter-counter terrorists”?
05/07/2010 at 12:11 Why! says:
Kill cams?
Why?! If you got eyes, you know how you died. -.-’ What if you are a pretty lame camper, and you snipe so many peoples and they don’t even know where you are. Then the Kill cams will ruin that funny time.
I’m not a camper myself, I’m sort of a Scout no-scope rusher. But killcams? WE DONT NEED THEM!