Men With Guns: Guns With Men

By Jim Rossignol on October 12th, 2010 at 4:17 pm.


Gosh, with all the Medal Of excitement I’d clean missed that the other manshooter, Call Of Duty: Black Ops, (you know, the one you are 76.5% more likely to spend your money on) has been flexing its pixels and playing at references to The Deer Hunter with a single-player trailer. Stuff explodes! Men fall down! Oh, this is what they want. Right, guys? Guys?

It’s out November 9th, and we’ll probably write about it or something.

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  1. konrad_ha says:

    By now I’m waiting for the first parody shooter with high production values. These games couldn’t become more cliché.

  2. gryffinp says:

    This looks fantastic. I can’t wait to go see it.

    Video game you say? Nonsense.

  3. Rii says:

    Looks like fun. But I’ve had my fill of American propaganda.

    • Heliocentric says:

      To be fair Cod4 was british propaganda.

      The americans are wooyeah! The british are stealthy assassins. The americans launch a massive, costly, pointless invasion ending in a nuke detonating. The british save the world with a tiny squad and awesome facial hair.

      Although it does show british people to be bastards, welsh propaganda?

    • Outsider says:

      Evidence that you apparently not have played through the story of the last two Modern Warfare titles.

      As for Black Ops, this one will interest me when it goes on sale, I think.

    • Outsider says:

      To clarify, the first part of my reply was to Rii.

    • pagad says:

      Um, Welsh people ARE British people. Perhaps you meant English? Although it still doesn’t make sense.

    • Optimaximal says:

      In all fairness Heliocentric, it’s fiction just imitating reality…

    • Heliocentric says:

      You need to understand, the scottish might want independence from britain but its the welsh who are traitors.

      @optimax You don’t see nearly enough awesome facial hair in modern england,

    • Nick says:

      Thats because it was the SAS vs regular infantry. It would have been the same if it were US Spec ops and regular infantry.

    • Philipp says:

      “To be fair Cod4 was british propaganda.”

      To be fair, as a kraut gamer, both sides looked ten kinds of dodgy to me, whether US or UK, with both I felt like I’m a fucking bot butchering fuckhead from a warrior cult background. Durhurr.gtfo-before-hitlerhitlerhitler.

      Don’t get me wrong, I belong to the hunted down minority of ppl who still play MW2 (on pc, hardcore tdm plz) and enjoy it muchly, but with all the kraut barking and harshness I’m supposedly used to, I felt the extend of nationalist pride and clancy scenario bullshit has been downright disturbing, it didn’t add to the experience (…), it just sounds ridiculous at first, and later on downright fills you with despise for that kind of thinking, talking , meme-dominance BS of [insert random NATO country here with more BS the more 'western' it is]. That part sure is something a lot of folks from our western countries on both sides of the pond seem to discuss every now and then or where ppl try to have a more sober opinion on, but “hey its a game and culture is culture”..sure sirs, fair enough. But when bombing afghanistanorussiapseudocountry (as if thats the case!?!?!?!?Show me one person who really thought they where fighting in an alternate universe or something) is called a thing ppl should be open for and tolerate, the whole MOH taliban rename thing is a fucking U.G.L.Y., disrespecful move. The fact that they’re trying to sell it as a respectful response or blah blah blah only quadruples the hate on my part.

      Heil, bitchäs. Hope the ‘foreigner talking internet english’ doesn’t confuse to much.

  4. Bob says:

    Oh don’t worry, wherever you temper your expectations to in order to be happy with this game, for example being happy if you are able to shoot things, Treyarch will find a way to fail that criteria. They’re really the most talented group of intentional failures ever!

  5. Saucy says:

    Talk about God Hand.

  6. Navagon says:

    So this is the one that’s not Medal of Honour?

    So on one hand there’s no Linkin Park. On the other hand there’s Kotick and his wonderful capitalistic ideas.

    Difficult choice.

  7. Rosti says:

    Are these men without hats, though? Enquiring minds want to know.

  8. Ubernutz says:

    To be perfectly fair to the genre as a whole, shooting things is pretty dang fun.

  9. Mr.Selfdestruct says:

    “you know, the one you are 76.5% more likely to spend your money on”

    there´s exactly 0% chance for me to get neither of those games. I couldn´t be less interested

    • Lobotomist says:

      Haha! How true.

      I am just waiting for the on rail shooter trend to pass.

    • seras says:

      ps: “0% chance of getting neither” means there’s 100% chance of you getting at least one of them.

    • Hmm-Hmm. says:

      Seras: I figured you were wrong and a quick search proved me (probably) correct. Neither means: not either one.

      It’s not the one either or the other, bur rather none of the two.

  10. Nick says:

    The release date when put the UK way around is 9/11.

    • Matt says:

      CONSPIRACY!

    • Optimaximal says:

      So let me get this straight…

      Kotick caused 9/11 in order to generate the Afghan war, which resulted in Medal of Honour, which was always certain to be weaker than the money-bin funded CoD, ergo more money for his money bin…

      ARGH!

    • Nick says:

      Exactly!

      Actually, its just I am so used to hearing it called 9/11 that when I saw the date in Tesco I did a massive double take.

  11. Jake says:

    So you play a non-existent man fighting wars that are hidden from the world with no recognition. At the end of the game there should be a twist where you gradually realise it has all been in your head and you’re really a schizophrenic and you didn’t kill a load of terrorists you just went to Sainsbury’s.

    • Ziv says:

      wasn’t that funny till the sainsbury’s bit. :)
      lqtm

    • Spork says:

      There’s a theory that lots of films could be improved if this happened – like Indiana Jones 4, where most of it is hallucinated by Indy while he’s dying of radiation poisoning inside a fridge.

      My own theory is that Half-Life is the fevered dreaming of Gordon after he falls asleep on the monorail (hectic schedules these physicists). He either chooses to die, or wakes up back on the tram after hours when the lights are off.

    • The Colonel says:

      I woke up in Tescos once after a long night out feeling like a similar thing had happened.

  12. kuzi says:

    Guns Cool Guns.

  13. Eternal_newbie says:

    *Time

  14. stahlwerk says:

    What is he doing with two rifles on his back, anyway? Shouldn’t he just toss one and keep the ammo? Is he on a GUN RECOVERING MISSION? TACTICAL!

  15. Mr.Selfdestruct says:

    @seras

    What the hell!!
    Me and my inability to construct correct english sentences and understand how percentages work.
    Anyways, no more “Black Hawk down directed by Michael Bay” kind of games. And that might mean no Crysis 2 for me, will see

  16. Gunsmith says:

    yay for more console market drivell, seriously fuck off with this shit!

  17. Tomwaitsfornoman says:

    @Rii: Why do you hate freedom

  18. teo says:

    Remember when CoD was this game that claimed it took war seriously?

  19. Choca says:

    Someone should count the number of bullets you actually need to shoot in order to finish a Call of Duty game.

    You know inbetween the “running like hell to the next checkpoint while the whole universe explodes” phases.

  20. Carra says:

    If the trend from the previous games contiue then in the time I watched the trailer I probably could have finished the entire game.

  21. Ybfelix says:

    Would probably borrow 360 disc for campaign, I’m a sucker for conspiracy black history kind of things.

  22. Unaco says:

    “It’s out November 9th, and we’ll probably write about it or something.” Am I the only one who would prefer any hive-mind musings on this one to be brought to me through the medium of interpretive dance?

  23. Risingson says:

    As I mentioned earlier, I love, let’s say, Woody Allen movies. Yeah, all of them. And I love classic comedies, I’m a big fan of Mitchell Leisen and his way to make touchy movies with the most standard elements. And I love documentaries.

    And I love blockbusters. Big noisy blockbusters, with big explosions and cliché dialogues. I loved 2012 and it’s non-stop of spectacular nonsense. I love action movies that don’t take themselves seriously from the first frame. And if this game hasn’t the problems Modern Warfare 2 had at its first levels (repeating the same cliffhangers over and over, designing such lazy pieces as the airport scene) i will enjoy and love it. Americanism? Propaganda? Meh. I really don’t mind at all. Let the american army kick all the inferior asses all around, and please let me be one of them: just put variety, cool vehicles, and give me bombs and explosions.

    I mean, it’s ironic just from its conception, isn’t it?

  24. Castle says:

    What, Modern Warfare 2 is still $60 ($60!!!) and they’re already putting out another Call of Duty? Christ activision, I like a bit of shooty fun now and then, but I also like to have money in my bank account.

  25. kutkh says:

    Every time I see the Black Ops box-art I think of this.

  26. The Juice says:

    Fact: I am 100% likely to not spend money on this

  27. FunkyBadger says:

    That’s Ben Stiller, isn’t it?

  28. dudekiller says:

    Gosh, I wouldn’t have known how erudite, discerning and intelligent all you lot are had you not come in here to tell the world how much you don’t like a thing other people like! Well done, all of you!

    • subedii says:

      Feel free to talk about how much you loved MW2 and think this is going to rock. Nobody’s stopping you.

      Or sit and cry foul because not everyone is finding an inclination towards adulation.

      Whichever makes you happiest.

    • Thants says:

      Alright, I’ll say it. The single player in MW2 is a lot of fun and has a bunch of really well done set-pieces. It’s ridiculous and way too short, but I had a great time anyway.

  29. dudekiller says:

    I’m not bothered if people like the game or not. It’s got its flaws as a series, and nothing’s going to appeal to everyone. This is the only game, though, that when mentioned on this blog brings out dozens of people who need to tell everyone how hard they’re not going to buy it. I’m assuming that if it were any other game, they’d just move on to the next post. And I think that’s a fair enough thing to call people out for.

    • dudekiller says:

      Dammit, that was meant to be in reply to the… Oh, you know.

    • subedii says:

      CoD isn’t being “singled out” at all.

      Try looking up any posts to do with SupCom 2 if you don’t believe me (now THERE’s a game that suffers from an entrenched community backlash). Heck, the top post right now is about 40K online, and pretty much everyone’s down on that (well, in-between Warhammer quotes anyway), largely because of the expectation it’s just going to end up as WoW with a thin veneer of Orkz instead of Orks.

      Or maybe you want something closer to home? Try looking at the posts to do with Medal of Honor (or Honour, however RPS is choosing to spell it today), see how much fawning over people are doing in there.

    • dudekiller says:

      You are right about that.

      I guess what I’m finding off is the language used – dump on the game if you like, but I’m starting to think that “I’m not buying Call of Duty” is turning into the “Oh, I don’t watch TV” of the gaming world. An opinion that’s meant to say more about the person saying the opinion than anything else. After all, that comment certainly doesn’t say anything about the game.

    • medwards says:

      This just in Rock, Paper, Shotgun is declared a video game hipster zone. Gamers who might, for any reason, enjoy a game should be warned that they are ‘not cool’ and everyone there is ‘totally over that.’

    • destroy.all.monsters says:

      So you find a healthy vocal minority of people that share the same opinion as a problem? Or is it merely that you live to assert the superiority of big money/content as vastly better than its audience?

      Really I don’t see how you have a logical point at all. This is a pc gaming site. No one is going to get laid making comments here. Unless they’re female, and you have rohypnol.

    • The Colonel says:

      This seemed appropriate…

  30. Jakkar says:

    I’m happy to see Treyarch still going. They have a good history, before they got eaten up by the money machine – and things like Nacht der Untoten (the Zombie mode of CoD: World at War) show they have a sense of fun and imagination evidently unavailable to the late Infinity Ward.

    I live in hope they’ll oneday be allowed to make a game of their own again.

    Need I remind you that before the project was brutally cancelled late in development, this is the team that were making Dead Rush, a zombie survival/driving hybrid. The closest we’ve yet seen to a real Zombie GTA. Had some fantastic systems still only just edging into the mainstream today, like active ragdolls clinging to to your vehicle trying to haul pieces off – repairing your vehicle using scavenged junk to reinforce damaged panels, searching for fuel on foot while the horde masses, and so on.

    Left 4 Dead wishes it didn’t have to script what that game.. almost achieved.

    • iQue says:

      The zombie mode in WaW was absolutely brilliant. Treyarch did a great job with the PC version of WaW as well (apart from the launch day bugs, oh man) and they seem to know what they’re doing.

      We all know MW2 was a ridiculous game, and that goes for pretty much any aspect of that game. Black Ops seem to be a good blend of the few good parts of MW2 while adding lots of new.

      I’m still very cautiously optimistic about this game, but it looks pretty good so far.

  31. earsauce says:

    I like Treyarch’s CoD games. At least they know how to make a PC game right. I’ll be getting this for my computer.

  32. chopsnsauce says:

    Seconded. I thought I’d ‘have a quick look’ at MW2 one Sunday morning over a cup of coffee and ended up playing the whole thing through to the end. What started out as a quick half hour session ended up swallowing the entire day!

    The story may be bollocks, but its got just enough believability to work and is only really there to propel you from one set peice to the next in various exotic locations around the world.

    I had a fucking blast! And on top of that you’ve got Special Ops, achivements and the multi player is really addictive.

    BY FAR, the game I’ve played THE MOST this year.

    Maybe that means I’m not as intellectual as all the sneering cynic on here, but FUCK YOU, the game is FUN.

  33. chopsnsauce says:

    Ooops! That was supposed to be in the reply section to DUDEKILLER…

  34. Gary W says:

    I don’t doubt MW2 is fun in spots, but it’s the sort of fun you get when you chew some deliciously flavoured plastic for 6 hours. Its a bland ghost-train ride with cardboard soldiers popping out at you instead of witches and skeletons. The multiplayer is a grind-a-thon with no long-term depth — a postmodern Skinner box for people who need something to do instead of watching TV all night.

    Real men play God Hand and JA2. Simultaneously.

  35. chopsnsauce says:

    What’s the difference between long term and short term depth?

    MW2 multiplayer HAS depth, whether that’s long term or not I have no idea.

  36. Tulse says:

    COD4 single-player was an immersive experience throught; but the sniper mission in Chernobyl or Pripyat or wherever it was was BRILLIANT. Other first-person games still have plenty to learn from it in terms of first-person game storytelling. It’s certainly underrated in that respect by a lot of indie game fans. Also, I’m British and I grew up reading Andy McNab books, and that game’s campaign really made me feel like an SAS badass – *specifiically* an SAS badass, using the same equipment and carrying out (poetic licence permitting) appropriate missions – familiar and distinct from ‘generic grey/brown shooter lololol’, which is funny because that’s what this franchise has become the poster boy for. The voice acting was lovely too.

    I’d like to get Black Ops, because I missed out on MW2 multiplayer and I like the look of the fun new weapons, etc. A lot of people seem to be judging the franchise chiefly by its aesthetics and story, and in this respect the games are clearly not worth £40/$60 because they’re only 3 hours long. But really you’re paying for the online multiplayer, after all, that’s the hardest part of the game to pirate.

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