It’s A Wrap: Battle For Endor and/or Yavin

By Kieron Gillen on November 23rd, 2010 at 12:54 pm.

That's no moomin.

This is hyperold. This is pre-RPS old. Which, according to my calculations, makes it so retro it’s new, to spoonerise Tricky. Tupper prodded me to playing these, and they’re simply cut-to-the-bone space-shooters which I dig to hell. Battle For Yavin comes first. Battle for Endor comes second. They’re based on some obscure cult-classic science fiction films, apparently. You can get them here. There’s a fancy texture and music pack you can get here too – oh, and I had a problem with white textures on Windows 7, which I solved by installing it to C:/Programs rather than the Programs-86-whateVVVVA! Win7 wanted to. There’s a couple of videos below, but this is highly atmospheric, lightning fast and captures the panic of a sky full of starfighters more than anything else that leaps to mind. I think you’ll dig ‘em a lot.

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  1. WantOn says:

    Who is this Gillen fellow?

    • oilypenguin says:

      Isn’t she the new assistant on Doctor Who?

      Gentlemen, there is celebrity in our midst!

  2. Griddle Octopus says:

    Didn’t you retire? Or was that the monster that ate you?

    • Collic says:

      If you strike him down he will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

  3. bob124 says:

    It is relaxing to know that Sony Music Entertainment keeps my poor soul from experiencing all the sinful filth the internet has to offer.

    • ninjapirate says:

      I sleep better at night, knowing that they’re out there, watching over us.

  4. fca says:

    There weren’t any Stardestroyers at Yavin! Blasphemy!

  5. Stitched says:

    But can you play as the Empire?

  6. Stitched says:

    But can you play as Empire?

  7. Babs says:

    I LOVE these games. They’ve been installed on my machines for a good 5-6 years, they’re the best Star-Wars games I’ve played since the X-Wings

    I thought this announcement was about a sequal :(

  8. rocketman71 says:

    Damn, we need a remake of X-Wing and TIE Fighter. And only those, not the ones that came later that were much inferior.

    Enough of the Force Unleashed already!. Give us back the good SW games, Lucasarts!. And no games based in the POS prequels, please.

    • Ushao says:

      This, please!

      I remember playing TIE Fighter and loving the hell out of it. I really would love a remake of it but without making it suck.

    • Soundofvictory says:

      If you still have your old disks or discs, they install correctly and work heroically with DOSBox. I really do not need a remake since the originals are still just as much fun as they ever were (although it would still be frickin sweet).

      Sadly, I have no idea where one could buy a copy if they don’t already own the game.

    • ynamite says:

      I just don’t understand why people always say that.

      In my opinion the best star wars space sim is X-Wing Alliance, like hands down. It bags both X-Wing and Tie Fighter for breakfast.

      I’d be really interested to hear what makes X-Wing so much better except being a lot more unforgiving and thus difficult.

      Anyway, just my 2 cents.

    • terry says:

      I never had a joystick for XwA :(

    • Joe Duck says:

      Alliance was excellent, in my opinion. And I loved the heck out of the last mission into the Death Star.
      Very, very good game…
      However, I think the first 2 games, Xwing and Tie Fighter, were a litle more sim like and had more personality. The adventure flavour they tried to give to Alliance with the story about the family and such took away from the flavour. I would also argue that the actual mix of ships to fly was nicer.
      Oh god, the hours playing with those dreadful Y-wings trying to bomb some stupid stationary target. And the joy, the sheer joy of flying the A-wing…
      For me, the first one is the best one in terms of ships to fly.
      Tie Fighter’s mission briefings are unsurpassed, that Imperial Navy officer was amazing.
      And Alliance had awesome missions, you flew the Millenium Falcon and navigated INTO the Death Star.
      Not bad for a series…
      My last note, I also want a sequel, but not a sequel of neither of the 3 above.
      Exactly, I’d rather have XWingvsTie than any other. I want multiplayer…..

    • Corporate Dog says:

      I’d like to see a new X-Wing/Tie Fighter game that split the difference between those games and Elite.

      I know there was a free trader theme to X-Wing Alliance, but as I recall, the plot was all fairly linear, and the trading/upgrade aspect just wasn’t there.

    • Fumarole says:

      TIE* Fighter is better simply for being able to fly Imperial craft and kill rebel scum.

      * it’s an acronym people, capitalize it

    • Arathain says:

      @ ynamite, on TF vs Alliance:

      I think that’s a genuinely tough call- I adored both. I’m inclined to come down on the side of TF, I think because of the excellent narrative structure, mostly. Alliance tried for a more personal approach, with a ongoing plot based on your family, which was fine but just not as well constructed or cool as being a personal servant of the Emperor. TF had some amazing missions, too; everyone remembers the minefield. I really liked flying the basic TIE Fighters and Interceptors, which felt great and had a wonderful vulnerability to them. You do spend far too much time in Bombers or the missile boat, which I personally never took to. But then, I’m an A-Wing pilot at heart.

      Endor and the Death Star 2 dive are really quite something, though. It’s also possible nostalgia is colouring my memories of TF somewhat.

    • Waltorious says:

      Regarding TIE Fighter on DOSBox, how does it handle joysticks? Will it be able to recognize my newfangled “USB” joystick? I really should dig out my old CD-ROM version of TIE Fighter again and see if I can actually get through the ridiculously-hard expansion packs this time.

    • Mr_Day says:

      @Waltorious

      DOSBOX and joysticks go together very well indeed, but the version of the game you are using might not feature all the controls of a modern joystick.

      There are versions of both X Wing and TIE Fighter, the collector’s editions, that were re-done for Windows and used the VS engine, but even then I think they don’t support twisty rudders on the sticks. I have reinstalled VS recently, and it certainly doesn’t. Pity. If anyone knows a way around that, do shout.

    • Waltorious says:

      @ Mr_Day:

      Good to hear joysticks will work. As for using the more modern bits of your stick, I’m not sure what model you have but I have a Saitek and they have really good programming software. As in, I could map the stick twist to keyboard commands and have them work that way. If you’ve got a Saitek or your stick has some similar software it’s worth taking a look at it. I think you can even set different commands depending on how much motion is put onto a specific axis. And all the settings are saved as profiles so you can quickly switch into “TIE Fighter mode” and back out when you want to play something more modern.

    • MrMud says:

      Yea, Alliance is the best StarWars flight game (clearly crushed by Freespace 2 in the space sim category).

  9. Lewie Procter says:

    I believe the texture problem you’re alluding to isn’t cause by win7, but by having a 64bit os.

    Edit: Also, it’s a crime that none of the Rogue Squadron games past the first ever got a PC release.

  10. Poppis says:

    I’ve had these on my PC for years. Star Wars at its best.

  11. Foxfoxfox says:

    Dear Internet,

    Please will you have some enterprising soul record\ rip some of that lovely gated radio chatter for this game so that missing element of atmosphere is present. Also if you have time I would like a little more pornography I do not think there is enough yet.

    Wish you were here,
    Foxfoxfox

  12. bleeters says:

    It’s just not the same without wizzbang shooty pow noises and screeching tie-fighters :(

    • fallingmagpie says:

      More realistic though, innit? Space being a vacuum and all.

    • bleeters says:

      They’re attacking a space station that can destroy planets with a giant laser. Realism shmealism.

    • Arthur Barnhouse says:

      Also, they don’t wear airtight suits, despite the fact they are having a dogfight with just a pane of glass separating them from vacuum.

    • Fumarole says:

      Imperial pilots do. Hell, according to fluff, Stormtrooper suits can survive vacuum for a short while.

    • Mr_Day says:

      @fallingmagpie

      Weirdly, Lucas has gone on record as saying that in the SW universe, there is sound in space. This is confirmed in the abortions prequels with the use of a sonic missile, I think.

      Also, lots of space combat games get around that problem by claiming the computers on the ships fill in the sounds for the benefit of the pilot, as it is easier to react visual and audio stimuli. Which makes sense, don’cha think?

  13. BAReFOOt says:

    WTF? The videos are blocked by the child raping murdering Nazi terrorists at Sony!

  14. DigitalSignalX says:

    We cannot repel firepower of that magnitude!

  15. megaman says:

    Videos are blocked in my country (which is germany) due to music from Sony.

  16. Binary says:

    Must resist………… Flunked several classes back at school because of these two games..

  17. Mintjulep says:

    It’s a trap!!!!!!

  18. outoffeelinsobad says:

    I sense something; a presence I’ve not felt since…

  19. Philipp says:

    Add me to the left out folk on the sony-net.

  20. Bascule42 says:

    • Bascule42 says:

      ahhh…I guess using “” to put words in isn’t a good idea then/

  21. Gabbo says:

    Didn’t know texture/sound mods existed for this.
    I’ll have to install this again. First time years.

  22. Tilla says:

    God how I miss the age of awesome Space sims. Nothing today really fills the void, even stuff that tries like X3 falls short for me.

  23. Robbeasy says:

    If you are willing to fiddle a little with files and fan patches, you can get X-Wing 95 and Tie-Fighter 95 running on brand spanky new fangled hardware.

    If anyone wants to know I’ll dig out the instructions and post ‘em – currently can’t even remember where I got them from , but I’ve got em saved somewhere…..

  24. negativedge says:

    do these things have stick support?

  25. Uncas says:

    So am I the only one who recognizes these levels from Rogue Squadron 2?

    The ship movements look copy pasted out of that game.

    I wonder if someone from Factor 5 did this after they went out of business.

  26. Tom Davidson says:

    Anyone have any idea how to get those two graphic mods from a site OTHER than Easy-Share, one which is not actively involved in sucking Satan’s genitalia?

  27. Zelnick says:

    You forgot the texture and sound upgrade mod for the first game:

    http://www.g4g.it/download/comment.php?dlid=1951

  28. Mr_Day says:

    @Waltorious

    Sadly, the Force Feedback 2 from Microsoft only let you remap the buttons, not the axis, and the software to do that hasn’t worked since Windows 98. I think.

    I have tried more modern sticks, but I love the Sidewinder FF2 just too much.

    EDIT: Well, I clearly put this comment in the wrong place.

  29. brulleks says:

    Tha’s not spoonerising. That would be ‘so netro it’s rew’.

    • Dozer says:

      “You’re the kind of person Dr Spooner would call a shining wit” – somewhere in one of the Robert Ludlum novels

  30. GameOverMan says:

    There is a mod/skin for Battle of Endor, called Star Trek DS9: The Invasion of Cardassia, and for Battle of Yavin you have TRON Recognizer, they also appear in the games’ site. Some years ago a guy made another one, Battle of Naboo, but I think it was never completed or at least not as polished as the others. Anyway it’s mentioned here: http://www.nuklearforums.com/showthread.php?t=22189 and the Megaupload link is still working if you want to try it.

    I finished the two games many times since I discovered them when they were in their first incarnations so I played every version and eventually the graphics/sound upgrades and subsequent mods. Bruno R. Marcos started working on a 3D Battle Game Creator so anyone could make similar games using the same engine but he ditched the project and released the source code, although nobody completed it.

  31. edwardoka says:

    Two questions.

    One, why hasn’t the bearded one poo’d all over this from a great height?
    Two, why haven’t I seen this slice of gaming joy before?