Minecraft Beta From December 20th

By Jim Rossignol on December 12th, 2010 at 2:36 pm.


Minecraft‘s alpha phase is ticking to a close, with a beta – and price change – due on 20th December. It’ll cost €14.95 from that point on. Notch says: “With Beta comes a larger focus on polish and content, and we’ll start early on with adding proper modding support with a stable API,” and also “We will also change the license to remove the line that promises all future versions of the game for free. Please note that this change only affects people who buy the game after December 20, so if you got the game for during alpha, you will still get all future updates for free, despite this change.”

But, presumably, you’ve bought it already.

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  1. MartinNr5 says:

    I have. I haved not, on the other hand, had much time to play it.

    • BAReFOOt says:

      None of you has bought it. Not a single one in this universe!
      What you have bought, is a license. Not the game. (Because that would not only not make any sense at all, but also be physically impossible… with it not being a physical object.)

    • DrazharLn says:

      Yes, let us all be totally pendantic over this because that will make the world a better place.

    • Debaser says:

      I wish I could like your comment, DrazharLn

  2. anjin says:

    I haven’t bought it.

    Am I still allowed to read RPS?

    • Nesetalis says:

      no, you must go back to a cave and play with your jacks and hoop + stick. :O

    • Rich says:

      “you must go back to a cave”
      That’s pretty much what I do in Minecraft anyway.

    • Hendar23 says:

      So your the guy!

    • WiPa says:

      Buy it now if you want it, unless you want to be unfairly shafted for more money.

      It’s completely unfair that he is charging people who buy it after that date for expansions.

    • Dominic White says:

      How is it unfair that he’s charging people for content/features he has created to sell? The fact that over three quarters of a million people are getting every future expansion and addon for FREE is amazing.

    • The Colonel says:

      You are “allowed”. But from the 20th December all RPS posts are going to be written in Creeper.

    • BAReFOOt says:

      No problem. We’ll just pipe it trough a compatible Python interpreter. ^^

    • The Colonel says:

      Just spent more than 2 and a half hours laughing heartily at that website, you bastard!

    • mcnubbins says:

      Haven’t bought it either. Tried it when it was free, but it didn’t grab me beyond building the highest possible tower then jumping from it.

  3. Xocrates says:

    And before people start complaining about having to pay for future updates, please note that Notch mentioned on twitter that they haven’t decided on that yet. The term change was due to some legalese so that people are no longer entitled to free updates, not that there won’t be free updates.

    http://twitter.com/notch/status/13634723863597056

    http://twitter.com/notch/status/13641331955990529

    • Rich says:

      It makes sense. If he wants to make money off new versions somewhere down the line, he needs to reword the agreement now. I’m already under the old contract, so it doesn’t bother me.

    • noobnob says:

      So, wait a minute.

      For those who bought the Alpha, if Notch decides to make a new version of Minecraft on a revamped engine, owners of the Alpha version get it for free?

    • Delusibeta says:

      @noobnob: Yes, essentially. Although I’m tempted to point out AI War and how their engine change applied to people who stuck with the demo.

  4. DevilSShadoW says:

    I bought it when it came out. Haven’t played it enough. Mostly because any time i get into the game proper I eventually end up digging straight down…

  5. ZenArcade says:

    Mmmmm, someone loves money more than game design (arguably)

    I already got my copy but Jesus Christ. What a way to back track.

    • Xocrates says:

      Le sigh… Why do I even bother.

    • ZenArcade says:

      Just saw your comment, fair enough. It’s still gives whatshisface the power to suddenly charge people for bullshit updates whenever he wants, what i’m saying is that it’s a bit unethical to remove that from the contract and it just makes people (like me) suspicious of his intentions especially when we thought he was enjoying making this stuff for us (plus he made a stack of cash from something that was essentially a hobby)

      But hey, fair enough anyways.

    • frymaster says:

      all it means is “we reserve the right to sell expansions or DLC”, and it doesn’t apply to folk who buy before the 20th anyway. I get the impression they don’t have any solid plans for expansions, but didn’t want to rule it out either

    • Rich says:

      Maybe he just likes making money from game design.
      Perhaps, in order to do that, he needs a license agreement that doesn’t make him a slave to everyone who buys it? If you care, you should’ve bought a license already. You’ll be able to keep getting those lovely free updates if you have.

    • DJ Phantoon says:

      Troll alert. His tag is Notch. If you paid attention at all, you’d know that. It’s even in the description of this story. I seriously doubt you have bought this game, and like all the other trolls, want attention because you don’t have a personality. Go away.

    • Toby says:

      Wow, talk about being quick to judge. It is like people do not realize that a business needs to have money in order to survive. Just like we have to eat. Otherwise we will die. What a big shocker!
      I think it is a good move. Those who supported him early on get free stuff as thanks.

      The way people complain about everything amazes me.

    • Jack says:

      Asking for money, AND making us a game? Cheek. Any REAL game designer would make games purely for the incredible, cocaine-like thrill of bug-testing.

    • drygear says:

      My problem with the OP is that he uses the wrong avatar. It should be this: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2CnQWIZQ3NY/Su-MlH9D0wI/AAAAAAAABWQ/-VppmzTOuLU/s320/hudu.png

  6. Fergus says:

    Am I the only one that thought that the beta build came before the alpha build?

    • draknir says:

      yes.

    • Rich says:

      Alpha is A, which comes before beta, B. :P

    • Handsome Dead says:

      Mind = blown

    • mandrill says:

      it would be understandable if you presumed that the terms ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ as applied to software development were used in the same sense as when they are used to talk about packs of animals, ie ‘alpha male’. However they are not.

      Alpha then beta then gold. thats how it works, that is how it always has worked.

    • Vague-rant says:

      1 comes before 2 but rockets launch when the countdown hits zero.

      Its not a mistake I’d make, but its not like its the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.

    • Tei says:

      Software age like people,… But in faster. 6.0 is like a 60 years old. Software don’t get better, just more mature,until it suffer a bloated dead or need to be mercilessly killed out of misery.

    • Matzerath says:

      I’m holding out for Gamma.

    • Nick says:

      Ill buy it when it hits μ.

    • LionsPhil says:

      The “Alpha” build is never supposed to come out, but the actual testing-stages meaning of this terminology was lost to historical oddity long ago due to people thinking “lol OK greek letters are just another version field”

    • Urthman says:

      I think Notch is using the term correctly. His “alpha” versions are stuff a real development studio would not have released publicly, but since he was just a one-man indie guy, he decided to let people play around with his work-in-progress.

      He’s pretty close to beta, so at this point the alpha is closer to something a development studio would release to beta testers. But the first stuff he released as alpha builds definitely wasn’t.

  7. Heliocentric says:

    Now would be a very good time for me to get a 2nd copy for local coop, I even get to call it a christmas present! Ahah!

    • Lightbulb says:

      Got my second copy already. :)

    • BAReFOOt says:

      What would be the point of that?

      i=1; while true; do cp -a Minecraft Minecraft-$i; i=$(( i + 1 )); done

      There. More copies than you could possibly want.

    • Thants says:

      @BAReFOOt: Dude, seriously. I mean… come on, really?

  8. BobDicks says:

    Thanks for the warning Notch, I’ll donate to the Dwarf Fortress guy instead.

    • The Great Wayne says:

      + over 9k.

    • Rich says:

      Idiot.

    • Stele says:

      Yeah because it is a GUARANTEE that the “Dwarf Fortress guy” will never, EVER charge anything or anything extra at any point in its development, ever.

      There are not guarantees in life. Get a clue.

    • Skinlo says:

      Trololo

    • Lizardman says:

      @ Stele

      Considering the “Dwarf Fortress Guy” makes a decent living off donation from fans, I doubt he would ever charge for a game which remains very, very niche.

      Get a clue? I prefer using logic.

    • Phydaux says:

      Notch doesn’t ask for donations. People buy his products.

    • Thants says:

      What is it about Minecraft that provokes this massive entitlement?

    • Ringwraith says:

      It’d be really nice to know wouldn’t it?

    • Stele says:

      @Lizardman

      WOOSH!

    • Mistabashi says:

      I suspect the ridiculous entitlement issues evident amongst the vocal Minecraft community is largely age related. A cursory glance of the Minecraft forums will tell you that there’s a lot of under 15’s playing this game (and more importantly, spending a lot of time posting about it on forums). Presumably this has something to do with it’s outwardly non-violent, Lego-style design, which will appeal to the parents buying it for them.

    • jeremypeel says:

      And yet there’s a fair whiff of it seeping in here as well. Madness. I’m writing about it soon, hopefully.

  9. aerozol says:

    Just bought it.
    I mean, I’ve always kind of wanted to, but this kind of “I bought it a little earlier, so I’m slightly special” thing always works on me. I’m a sucker.

  10. Wulf says:

    I’d say people forced him into this by being dicks, as is the wont of gamingkind, and with every purchase he’d potentially have to deal with more dicks.

    The dickvoice: “YOU OWE US MORE FREE CONTENT, NOTCH!”

    His only recourse was pretty much to think right, if that’s how it’s going to be, then I’m taking that self-entitlement away from you.

    Yep, I have a really low opinion of gamers, always have had. The fun thing is that my opinion is fully validated by most gaming sites on the Internet, and how people deal with developers. Do you realise someone even asked J. E. Sawyer (Obsidian) ‘who wrote all the damn homo stuff for new vegas’? It’s amazing, isn’t it? Absolutely amazing.

    There are small pockets of brilliance in the gaming subculture, but they’re few and far between. When it comes to being healthy, stable people, even furries rank above us, and 4channers rank just barely below.

    • Urthman says:

      This.

      Sadly, gamers don’t deserve free updates. Most of them deserve EA and Ubisoft and all of that crap.

    • noom says:

      You know what’s sad? RPS comment threads really were lovely once. Almost all reasonable and intelligent commentary. Apparantly the larger the reader base gets, the more slack-jawed yokels we have to deal with.

      I’m considering just taking the youtube approach and not reading the comment threads at all nowadays :(

    • Delusibeta says:

      “Apparantly the larger the reader base gets, the more slack-jawed yokels we have to deal with.”

      My Theorem of Forums (the quality of the average post changes in inverse proportion to the size of the forum, ignoring spambots) seems to apply to communities on the internet in general.

    • DiamondDog says:

      I think that’s a little unfair, Wulf. The idiots are a lot more vocal than the ordinary folk that just get on with enjoying their games, so you end up with gaming websites populated with scum wanting to tell everyone what they think.

      What I will say is gamers seem to have an extra capacity to complain about everything.

    • Vinraith says:

      @Wulf

      Indeed. It turns out PC gamers really are entitled little brats, as born out by much of this thread.

    • mlaskus says:

      even furries rank above us

      I was very confused for a while, then I checked the Urbandictionary. Saved me the embarrassment. I thought furry was just a nice way of saying zoophil.

    • Dominic White says:

      Really, just to put this into perspective, this is game that offers the option to preorder before a certain date, and in exchange you get it for half the final price, and a promise that all DLC/expansions will be given to you completely free for the lifetime of the game.

      And people are complaining about getting ripped off.

      A sense of entitlement will only take you so far. This is something else entirely.

    • invisiblejesus says:

      Yeah, pro tip guys: excessively vocal whiners rarely represent the majority of any culture or subculture. They’d like you to believe that they do, but they don’t. If you seriously want to look down on the majority of gamers just because some asshats run their mouths on the internet you are buying into the point of view that those same asshats are pushing. Don’t.

    • Vinraith says:

      @invisiblejesus

      Good point. Better to vocally admonish the vocal minority that gives the group a bad name, rather than fall into the trap of acknowledging them as representative of said group. And on that note: screw you, petulant man-children of the Minecraft community.

    • Wulf says:

      @invisiblejesus

      Considering the hundreds upon hundreds of people who’re a part of communities like Minecraft’s and World of Warcraft’s, and how many of them are maladjusted, I’d actually say that it’s the vocal majority, people who actually disagree with this nonsense seem to be in the minority, and that makes me truly said to realise, but it’s true. The numbers are too great for this to be minority, and I absolutely refuse to whitewash it as such, because it’s far too easy to do so, it’s very easy to fall into the entirely too comfortable habit of brushing truths under the mat. I really hate that, it’s a pet peeve.

      I’d say it has to be at least 50/50. Not all gamers are like the sorts you find on this forum, or on the forums of adventure games and RPGs, after all, not by a long shot. And I fear that things are going to get worse for Minecraft as griefing becomes all too possible in multiplayer survival, which is something that Notch might not be able to lock down on. I can’t actually see things getting any better.

      Edit #1: I mean, to come back to the point about furries. You do have a lot of them who aren’t interested in sex with animals, those who aren’t down with non-consensual things or pedophilia or anything even remotely as unethical. You have some that are just creative, or even sexually creative, or both. And they’re fine, but I don’t actually know if they’re the majority, they’re probably not. I doubt they are.

      There’s this habit we have of people as trying to paint the undesirables as the minority, when usually the truth is the other way around.

    • The Colonel says:

      Wait a moment… doesn’t minecraft have something around 750,000 licensed players? You must have a lot of time on your hands to be able to claim that 50% of them are entitled jerks. In fact… surely the people complaining are more likely to not be players at all since current players aren’t affected by the post-beta deal?

      I wonder if the content of articles on RPS is perhaps different in character to what it was a year or so ago? There are quite a few articles that there isn’t much point reading comments because you know already how they’re going to go. Mass Effect 3: “OMG! Did a little sex-wee! Want want want!!!”; “Consoles have ruined gaming and this is going to be even worse”; “ME2 was shit”; “ME2 was the best game ever”

    • Nick says:

      Oh please, you know that the majority of them are maladjusted how exactly? Studied individual posts by (multi) millions of people have you? Stop stating as truth something which is clearly sensational bullshit, you are better than that.

    • Thants says:

      Making fun of furries is fun and all. Until you realize that the most successful movie of all time is about sexy cat-people.

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      Devan says:

      @Wulf
      Sweeping inconvenient truths under the mat is never right, and I don’t have any evidence to prove that the minecraft jerks are a minority, but with the huge numbers of purchases it does seem like the 50/50 number you’re so adamant about is somewhat unlikely.
      At any rate, complaining about irrational complainers probably also won’t help things. I think it’s best to do what Notch is doing: Put yourself in a position where they don’t affect you, then ignore them.

      @Thants
      I don’t know; they don’t actually have any fur do they? Is there a group of people like furries, but for aliens instead of animals?

    • Mo says:

      This is such nonsense, that even the most cursory research could disprove. Let’s try:

      How many people have complained about Minecraft? 100? 500? 1000? Let’s say 5000-10000 people have complained about Minecraft. That’s nice, but Minecraft has sold 743786 copies (source: minecraft.net). That’s a little over 1% of the community being disruptive. Even an order of magnitude higher (that is, 100,000 trolls) would be far less than your “estimates.”

      And in fact, the indie community is much more insular than mainstream games. Let’s look at something like CODBLOPS.

      Even if you were to believe that, say, a half a million people were dicks about CODBLOPS, that still represents a mere 2% of the overall customer base (source: estimate on wikipedia).

      So yeah, vocal minority.

    • Salmon says:

      What about a….. furry 4channer?

      WHAT AM I? :p

    • Salmon says:

      I also love that everyone who posts something stupid gets called out by the vast majority.

      Good job everyone.

    • DJ Phantoon says:

      I’m not surprised someone named WULF thinks furries are okay.

      KILL THEM WITH FIRE!

    • Killroy Quartermaine says:

      @Devan: If there isn’t a name for that particular set of kinksters, I propose we start calling them “Kirks”

  11. Emphursis says:

    I’m quite glad I got into Minecraft long *before* all the hype and fuss! Means I can reminisce about the good old days of almost daily content updates and such.
    Also means I don’t feel morally obliged to refuse to buy it, as I do with TF2!

  12. Coins says:

    Oh no. Someone needs money to keep making games. This is unheard of. Let’s all burn him at a stake and dance around it naked.

    • BAReFOOt says:

      Can I just dance around the fire naked? Preferably while dancing around the fire in Minecraft naked too… dawg…? ;)

    • Wulf says:

      You’ve just created a terrible new meme, there!

    • noerartnoe says:

      So yeah…that just gave me a horrific mental image of a gamer version of the Sabbats Fire Dance ritual in VtM…

      Thanks a lot.

  13. Langman says:

    It was a fun little game, but I’m afraid I’m all Minecrafted out now. Unlikely I’ll be returning to it no matter what improvements they make.

    Also €10 was the right price for what I got out of it – not too sure if this price-rise is appropriate for what it has to offer. I know this website is pretty much RockPaperMinecraft, so I expect to be in the minority – but I don’t place the game on the same pedestal so many on here do.

  14. Dominic White says:

    One thing I find funny is that there’s people finding the announcement of an official mod API to be a surprise. It was actually announced weeks/months ago, but it got drowned out by a legion of trolls screaming about how Notch hates mods, is jealous of their success and is building a legal team to sue people who make them.

    Honestly, the Minecraft community makes me nostalgic for the Counter-Strike playerbase, and I’d rather be kicked in the balls than deal with the CS scene.

    • Skurmedel says:

      You’ve never been part of the Garry’s Mod community then? :D CS was pretty bad, but Garry’s Mod had some people for which there isn’t a word in the dictionary yet.

    • Delusibeta says:

      I believe the word you’re looking for is “mingebag”.

    • Skurmedel says:

      Thank you, quite apt, although it would need some extra expletives in most situations.

    • Wulf says:

      I remember that! I recall all those people saying that Notch hates mods, when he was implementing an API for such, it was very confusing. I wonder if it was a misunderstanding though, where people had jumped the gun? Notch had said something along the lines of “I’m not a fan of hack clients, because they defeat the purpose/balance of the game, they’re just there for cheats. Though some people are doing some really cool stuff and that’s something I’d even want to see in the main client. Mostly my problem is with clientside hacks in multiplayer, which exist to give a player an advantage.”

      Now, it’s pretty cut and dry there with what he’d meant, but you know how delusional, Notch-hating people are. This was probably misconstrued for Notch hating all mods, ever. Even though he’d actually never said as much. He just said that he found people butchering his game with hacks and cheats somewhat depressing, and I think that this is why he’s implementing this API, so that kosher mods can happen without allowing for the horrible cheat hacks out there. This way he’s able to say “Anything that’s done with the API is fine, but anything that’s done outside of I’m not okay with.”

      It’s really not that different from the approach of many mainstream MMO developers, and no one kicks up a fuss there. Hell, most people don’t even care that certain MMO clients are spying on them, big bother style, watching everything they do and sending goodness-knows-what sort of data back to their master servers. One of the primary reasons I refuse to play World of Warcraft is because Warden hasn’t been fully dissected yet, who knows what might lurk in the bowels of that?

      Really, compared to the things that people don’t complain about, Minecraft is benign. Why do people ignore the more malignant things and bitch about the benign ones? It’s… confusing.

  15. geldonyetich says:

    > We will also change the license to remove the line that promises all future versions of the game for free.

    You’re dead to me, Notch!

    > Please note that this change only affects people who buy the game after December 20, so if you got the game for during alpha, you will still get all future updates for free, despite this change.

    Oh, in that case, all is forgiven.

  16. The Colonel says:

    Mmm…. Steak.

  17. malkav11 says:

    I am amazed (if not precisely surprised) by the amount of bitching over this. News flash: if you think the beta price is too high, or want to be guaranteed free future updates, you still have a good 8 days to buy the game before those changes happen. Plenty of warning, and nothing’s slated to change for people who make that purchase now, or already have.

    It’s not like, say, PlayOn (media restreamer software that routes stuff like Hulu and Netflix streaming to a media extender such as my PS3), where I paid $40 for a license that promised me future updates…and then they turned around and decided they were becoming a subscription service.

  18. outoffeelinsobad says:

    Mine-hwut?

  19. Artist says:

    Wait, I get all future versions for free? Stupid Notch -wouldnt have noticed it before he said this… Heck, who reads EULAs???

    • geldonyetich says:

      Basically, Minecraft was on a, “please give me money for my incomplete game so it can help buy my groceries while programming this in my spare time, you can get it half off, I’ll give you all the later versions for free” kind of license for awhile. You can see a similar model in Cortex Command or Revenge Of The Titans.

      Then Minecraft got noticed. Big time. Suddenly, that license seems to be picking his pocket, so he’s changing it so this will no longer apply to purchases made after December 20th.

      It’s a touching modern rags-to-riches-to-oh-my-God-I-have-to-support-a-franchise story.

    • Dao Jones says:

      Serious? When you click the first link to buy the game, fourth line in is:

      Please note that when you buy the game, you’re paying for the game as it is right now!
      You will receive any and all future updates for free as a bonus. Read the copyright information for more information.

      He tells you without even clicking the copyright information! So highly doubt Notch is the stupid one. I have to agree with what Wulf said earlier.

    • noobnob says:

      @Dao Jones: I didn’t even pay much attention to that line when I bought the game months ago. I thought it referred to the small updates he kept releasing periodically (and erratically), hence it came to me as a surprise when I read Notch’s most recent post on his blog, which confused me a bit.

      Notch’s tweets and RPS’ posts clarified the situation, and makes me wonder if any of the complaints here are justified. Am I supposed to whine about the prospects of getting free Minecraft expansions by paying less than the intended release price?

  20. Mo says:

    Wait I have to buy the game to receive free future updates?

  21. EthZee says:

    …I’m fine with this!

    I highly doubt he’s going to make people who buy one version pay for the updated version that comes out the week after that fixes three bugs and adds a new hat. He may be trying to make money, but face it; not even a big corporation like Ubisoft would be that greedy. You’re still going to get your patches and updates and things like that for free.

    You’ll probably even get the final version for free! This update probably is to make the production of sequels, DLC, etc. easier to sell.

    Of course, if he does start selling each new version of this one game separately, then I will eat my words (I shall write them on sugar paper and chew them up in a symbolic act) and then I shall light my pitchfork and storm the castle with the rest of the outraged peons. Until then, of course, I support Notch in his endeavours.

    Although this does lead to another point. I do remember a significant bunch of people on here bemoaning the existence of paid DLC and updates in the past; people who remembered the old time of constant free updates from the developers, community packs, patches etc. given away out of the goodness of their heart (or because they hadn’t got to the point where they could sell them).

    Would it be considered a good thing that DLC is now paid; have the people who bemoaned it in the past started to accept this, as the very-human conformance mechanisms kicked in as soon as we realised that publishers weren’t going to stop?

    I’d like to ask the people who used to hate paid DLC and micro-expansions, etc. and now think they’re alright: how do you justify your decision? Have you changed your opinion on Capitalism? Have your circumstances changed? Are you now simply old and jaded, and don’t have the strength to complain?

    • Delusibeta says:

      My understanding of that situation is that, essentially, that Alpha & Beta players get everything free up to release, and then if Notch/Mojang decides to release a pay-for expansion/DLC, Alpha players will get it for free while Beta and Release players would have to pay for it. Everyone get bug fixes and free expansions, naturally. It’s like Arcen Games’ policy, really, except with an added “if you buy during Alpha, you get EVERYTHING free” clause.

    • Killroy Quartermaine says:

      OK, I’m one of those people that hated DLC and micro-payment… In certain situations, I’m basically OK with it now. The MannCo store is a perfect example of what I think is totally awesome allowing players to make their own content, and then paying them for it? Dang, do you ever love your community!).

      I’m not a fan of the exclusive pre-order content thing that so many games are doing. It’s cool if it’s just a skin or hat or something, but anything that actually changes gameplay? You’ve just hit my icky-button. Same with any DLC available at launch. modular gaming just isn’t my thing. I buy a game, especially at retail prices, I want the whole damned game. All you’re doing by not offering the whople game is encouraging me to steal it from you.

      Now, what Notch is proposing here seems pretty much OK to me. As it is, he’s been basically giving away the rights to play this game at whatever level it exists in perpetuity. But since the entire world now owns those rights, if he’s going to make any more money off of it, he’s going to have to do something along these lines.

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    liceham says:

    There should be a Minecraft design competition between full servers called “War of Worldcraft.”

  23. Bassism says:

    Personally, I’m excited by what the possible implications this might have in the future are.
    From the sounds of it, Notch is just going along with the way things are now. Though, maybe, in the future, he’ll come up with an awesome, expansive, huge idea to expand the game, which would take equivalent man hours to coding Minecraft in the first place, and if everybody has already bought the game, then it’s obviously not going to happen.

    So, he changes the license, so that one day if he wants to code that awesome expansion and charge money for it (and that’s really not so evil. Look at GSB or AI Wars), he can do so, which means that awesome expansion can exist. In the meantime, he’s going to keep his word, and give all of us any updates for free. And anybody currently on the fence has ample opportunity to buy at the lower price point with infinite updates before the change happens.

    Seriously, it’s a win-win-win. Personally, I’d like to see that Minecraft 2.0 or Minecraft: Children of Minecraft someday.

    • v.dog says:

      I was about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it.That he’s still allowing people to buy the alpha deal is wonderful, and no small thing now that sites like this have got wind of it.

      What really makes me excited tho’, is that he’s embracing mods and creating an API. I wouldn’t have explored my world anywhere near as much without Teleport Signs. :)

  24. Arca says:

    Just ignore people who are complaining because I would place a bet that they are all under 18 and do not know what they are talking about.

    Everybody will get patches and small content updates for free but people who did not buy the game when it was in it’s alpha state will have to pay for big expansions just like any other game in the market. I find it amazing that he is giving us alpha players every new expansion for free, I wouldn’t have done that if I was him.

    • Anon says:

      “Just ignore people who are complaining because I would place a bet that they are all under 18 and do not know what they are talking about.”

      Being over 18 provides some secret insight into the situation? Do share.

      “Everybody will get patches and small content updates for free but people who did not buy the game when it was in it’s alpha state will have to pay for big expansions just like any other game in the market. I find it amazing that he is giving us alpha players every new expansion for free, I wouldn’t have done that if I was him.”

      I will laugh so hard if Notch decides to screw you and every oh-so-protective alpha player. But hey, since you seem to be able to read the future, I’m sure the situation won’t play out in any other way.

    • Vinraith says:

      Just ignore people who are complaining because I would place a bet that they are all under 18 and do not know what they are talking about.

      Behaving like a petulant child doesn’t actually require being a child. I think that might actually be the primary lesson of the internet.

    • Wulf says:

      @Anon

      Because crikey o’reilly, thinking that he’ll continue to do exactly what he says he’s going to do, built upon a long-standing reputation of him doing exactly what he said he was going to do is completely unrealistic and unfathomable. Well, to you, perhaps. There are some people I do have faith in, and Notch is one of them. I don’t have faith in him to be ‘good’ or any moralistic bullshit nonsense absolutes people might come up with, since he’s out to make money like anyone else, but I expect him to be ethical enough to continue to do what he says he’s always done, he’s got a reputation for that, and I have faith in him to keep that reputation.

      Besides, it would be harmful to both him and his bottom line if he were to go back on that policy, because when you don’t have a marketing department to pull all sorts of brain trickery for you, you have to rely on trust. And if people can’t trust your small business, they’re not likely to buy from you ever again. That, in and of itself, is a very good reason for him to not ever ever do anything as plainly and painfully stupid as what you’d suggest. I don’t see that age comes into it, really. Some people are just oblivious.

    • DiamondDog says:

      The idea of building up trust is very interesting, I think. With the internet it’s now quite easy for a small artist or indie developer to build up a dedicated fanbase that they know will stick with them and in turn support pretty much anything they make. Like you say though, that comes with the problem of how easy it is to break that trust. Not that I’m saying Notch has done anything of the sort, but you just have to look at this reaction to see how easily people use these things as an excuse to get angry.

      Think of a band releasing their first couple of EP’s for free on bandcamp and growing a decent size fanbase through things like blogs and Twitter. As soon as they ask for a bit of money on the first full length I’d imagine a lot of fans would view that kind of thing as a betrayal, no matter how stupid that is. You create fans that love you through direct communication and interaction and the feeling that it’s a more personal experience. Yet then, any signs of growth to a wider audience are viewed with mistrust and you end up with pissed off fans that have a direct link to you. Now that the honeymoon is over I’d imagine a lot of artists view Twitter as a bit of a poisoned chalice in this respect.

      I don’t think it’ll ever cease to amaze me how a small endeavour finding a wider audience and success can create so much resentment. How often does Minecraft’s huge success get used as a stick to beat Notch with? It’s like, we’ll love you, but only if you stick to being a plucky failure that doesn’t make us feel inadequate.

    • Mistabashi says:

      “It’s like, we’ll love you, but only if you stick to being a plucky failure that doesn’t make us feel inadequate.”

      This is pretty much part of human nature sadly, although probably more so among younger people (who are generally more insecure). You only have to look at all the "celebrity gossip" magazines and newspaper sections to see this in action, we love to build-up the plucky underdog / newcomer, then we love to knock 'em back down again as soon as they become successful.

  25. Mithent says:

    Well, now I have to decide whether I ever want to play it, I suppose.

    I think that Minecraft is likely to remain something which other, more dedicated people do impressive stuff in, but which I’d futz about with for a short time finding out what I can do, then move on. I played Wurm for a little while, and from what I’ve read it seems (other than in the free-build mode) to be somewhat of a more accessible, less incredibly tedious/slow version of that. Given that Notch used to work on Wurm, that’s not so strange.

    • Bassism says:

      If it’s something that sounds interesting at all, it may very well be worth a shot. In a way, it is a more accessible, less tedious Wurm, but it’s also more than that. Wurm, as much as I really want to like it, bores the crap out of me within 15 minutes every time I try to play it. I pretty much hate Wurm, but I really enjoy Minecraft. It’s more fun, it’s easier to set goals, easier to achieve them, and pretty much addresses all the things I don’t like about Wurm.

      Of course, doesn’t mean you’re going to like it. But you might be pleasantly surprised if you go into it having played Wurm.

  26. gulag says:

    The man’s entitled to make money. The customer is entitled to what they pay for/click ‘Accept’ on. End of story.

    Anyone who want’s to take issue with that arrangement must first point out on a map which cashless Utopia they currently sleep, eat and shit in.

  27. kea says:

    Well, I am 34, and I am actually surprised not to see more people complaining about this.
    I’ve bought minecraft a while ago, and have been playing a few days with it. Funny thing, but quite boring after a few hours yet.(IMAO)
    First I simply think 15 € is a bit expensive for what minecraft is ATM. That is just my opinion, of course, but as I said, I thought it grew rapidly boring.

    Now, changing the licence and price for the beta is another problem, but I’m not sure I enjoy that much either. Let’s face it, minecraft players ARE a terrible community, crying and complaining all the time. But on the other hand, Notch DID make quite a lot of money with this alpha already, money that he didn’t use for hiring a team that would have helped it develop this game.
    So, as I understand it, this beta is going to be quite expensive for what it is, and the extensions will be charged for. I have no problem with that for a full game with rapid development and growth. However, on will have to pay 15 € and more for a software that is actually still developed as a common freeware, and is not likely to be finished any time soon.
    My opinion is simple : if you pay corporate price, you can expect corporate quality.
    This will probably not be the case. Hence the problem.

    Someone was talking about DF. Nice comparison. DF has its flaws and same development problems and slowness. But it IS free, so bear with it or leave it. For 15 €, I basically buy the right to complain and expect a standard quality.

    However, I don’t really care. As I said, it was fun, but I won’t probably play it again any time soon.

    • Urthman says:

      But on the other hand, Notch DID make quite a lot of money with this alpha already, money that he didn’t use for hiring a team that would have helped it develop this game.

      This is so idiotic. We all paid 15 € for a one-man indie game. We all saw exactly what it looked like. The internet was full of screenshots and descriptions of the gameplay.

      The fact that lots of people bought it and that he ended up making lots of money doesn’t mean he now suddenly owes you a game developed by a huge team of people with AAA-style high-res graphics or whatever crazy thing your deluded head has dreamed up and convinced you that you’re somehow entitled to.

    • Dominic White says:

      Also, he DID hire a team. They’re moving into their offices at the moment. They’re working on multiple projects at the moment, including games that aren’t Minecraft.

      Those who bought during the Alpha phase do get a *huge* bonus – every expansion released in the future, for free. If that’s not giving back to the fans, I don’t know what is.

      The price increase was announced over a year ago – Notch has said from the VERY BEGINNING that the final price of Minecraft will be 20 Euros. 10 in Alpha, 15 in Beta.

      It really does seem like 95% of the complaints about Minecraft are rooted firmly in delusion and denial. A strong ability to ignore documented facts and fabricate your own reality allows you to come up with some amazingly labored arguments.

    • Consumatopia says:

      But on the other hand, Notch DID make quite a lot of money with this alpha already, money that he didn’t use for hiring a team that would have helped it develop this game.

      I don’t see how the fact that lots of other people purchased the game changes his obligation towards you. Rovio is making way more money on Angry Birds than it took them to create that game–but that doesn’t mean they’re obligated to hire John Carmack and give everyone a free upgrade to a full 3d version. People got what they paid for.

      If Notch gave you reason to expect way more than you were getting then you’ve got reason to complain, but I can’t see how he did that. What exactly did you expect this game to become, anyway?

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    Sagan says:

    Finally bought the game. I had played it before on a LAN but I always had too many unplayed games to actually go and also buy this one. Well, since I had always known that I was going to buy this game eventually, I figured that I might as well still get it as long as it’s 10€.

    I have played for an hour so far and I am very successful. Already I can survive a night outside. Which is just an awesome feeling.

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    Sarble says:

    Serfdom is our elevator

  30. Guildenstern says:

    Notch is a really conflicting example for any aspiring game developer… On one hand, he really succeeded financially. On the other, looking at Minecraft players makes one want to nuke whole gaming community from orbit.

    • Wulf says:

      Hm. The problem might be his culture.

      There’s a culture of being polite and nice to extraordinary degrees in Sweden, as I’m told by my Swedish friends who are–in fact–extraordinarily nice and polite. I… have never actually encountered a potty mouthed Swedish person, come to think of it. It’d be an entertaining prospect if I did. But it seems to be part of their culture, and it’s ingrained. From all that I understand, they have a very left-leaning culture that’s very socially focused, and politeness is a big part of that.

      To me, and according to my Swedish friends, Notch is typically Swedish. Now this also means that he’s perhaps a bit too polite. He doesn’t put his community in their place, ever. He never snaps at them, he never tells them off, and even when he complains, he does it in such a pleasant way that it’s hard to call it complaining as such. I actually feel sorry for him quite often, but to the Dickvoice of gamingkind, he’s bound to look like easy prey. And that actually bothers me.

      What I see a lot of over on his blog is people preying on his kindness, and that kind of bugs me. There are times I sort of wish he’d get other people to work on his blog with him, perhaps one or two that could tell the community off and tow the line when need be. His base niceness makes him incredibly admirable (and I honestly think he is), but it also makes him a target. And gamers as a culture do tend to be trained to prey on the weak, especially in multiplayer games, where you learn to pick off the easiest targets first.

      …there’s a whole essay to be found on cultural anthropology and sociology in Notch’s blog.

  31. qrter says:

    I’d like to buy a license, but I don’t have a credit card, and I don’t want to use Paypal.

  32. kea says:

    Geeeeez.

    Allright. happy to learn he did hire a team. Good thing, imao. Consider most of my comment as the “needs an update” one.
    But you really should relax, folks. I haven’t stolen your wives or anything. Just given my opinion, which, I believe, I still can peacefully do.
    As I said, I, personally, enjoyed minecraft a few days, buts it is still lacking some features for my taste. (the survival part of the game still needs much work for me, and the reason this game interested me in the first place. It’s not even a the stranded 2 level right now.)
    I don’t consider I have been rubbed. I gave my money to support and interesting project, and that is what I got. Some disappointed me more (i.e. frozen synapse), but well, I don’t expect to enjoy every indie game I buy.
    What I say is, having tested minecraft I wouldn’t pay 15€ for it as it is now. Because I didn’t enjoy it so much. And because the “lego” thing was so popular I doubt the survival aspect will be the developer’s priority. If you like minecraft enough for this price, well, good for you. I have no problem with that. (Also I do think that 15€ is to expensive for ANY beta. But that’s just me being broken. ^^)

    I just hope people would so eagerly defend other indie titles like you do for this one. This all “excitement” over this one , from both lovers and haters, is really going over my head. People yelling at notch and people yelling at people yelling at notch. It doesn’t make the game more likeable at the end. (or maybe that is just the internet being dumb.)

    Well, happy mining folks. I’ll just go back to meatboying.
    (and keep cool. This is just a game, ain’t it ? ^^)

    • Jack says:

      Slightly irrelevant, and no offense meant here; I hate it when someone on the internet gives their opinion, and then someone else gives their conflicting opinion, and then the first guy says “Geeze, chill out! I’m just giving my opinion! Last time I checked, it’s a free country!” like the second guy just ordered opinions shot on sight or something.

    • noerartnoe says:

      “Well, happy mining folks. I’ll just go back to meatboying.
      (and keep cool. This is just a game, ain’t it ? ^^)”

      Last point seen, taken and agreed with (the rest of your post – well… that’s just a matter of taste really :P).

      However, this is not “just a game” to some. This is fandumb (WARNING: link to tv-tropes: it may eat your day) – and it can be ugly…

    • Wulf says:

      Speaking for myself, I’ll defend any indie title (sometimes even those that aren’t quite to my tastes) if I feel it’s being unfairly attacked. I’ve not paid much attention to what you’ve said, but most of the entitlement does result in unfair, harsh, nasty attacks if you’re familiar with Notch’s blog. I think that this is why some people defend him, because if they didn’t, the outcry against Notch would be disproportionate. This all calls back to my ‘the majority are dicks’ claim, which is usually true.

      You have to defend Minecraft loudly, otherwise you’ll be washed out by the sea of self-entitlement.

  33. eddy9000 says:

    i just don’t get what basis anyone has to complain?
    There’s a free demo, that you can play and decide if you want to buy the full game, and then you buy it if you like it! And it’s ten pound. So what if notch does want to turn minecraft into a zyenga style pay for updates franchise (which there isn’t any evidence that he does)? I bought my product as it was, I have it, and I play it. Apparently I’ll still get free updates as an early adopter, but even if I didn’t, I paid for a product and recieved it, can anyone tell me why there is any problem with what he is doing\/

    If I brought a book then I wouldn’t expect the author to send me the sequels for free!

    • BobDicks says:

      That metaphor doesn’t really work since you can’t buy a book before it’s released and receive an incomplete manuscript with promises of eventually getting the complete book when it’s finished.

    • BobDicks says:

      What happens if the creator dies before the work is finished like Robert Jordan (and eventually George R. R. Martin), nobody will be there to complete the work and your money would be wasted.

    • Mistabashi says:

      It would be the same as if any company supplying a product / service went bust. Unless some other company takes up the reigns, you would be left without support for that product or without access to that service.

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      drewski says:

      @ BobDicks – not really since you presumably got sufficient value out of the books you read as they were released, else you’d not have bought any of them until the entire series was finished.

      If Mr. Martin never gets around to finishing his books (probably because the size of them will get so large they collapse into a black hole) I’ll be disappointed, but I’ll still have read some awesome books. Ditto Minecraft – people who pay for the Beta might not get the Gold for free, but even so, i suspect most of them will get their 15 euros worth from the Beta and if they’re not sure if they will, perhaps they should wait until the Gold.

  34. DrBomb says:

    Isnt quite what happens to every single game in market?
    my opinion is that users got too cocky about notch saying FREE UPDATES FOREVAR, that they do not have in mind he is after all, a developer who has to get profit from his work, thats it.

  35. Frank says:

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    drewski says:

    I haven’t bought Minecraft.

    I will if it ever offers gameplay I’m interested in. I don’t think I have a right to free updates forever, either.

  38. Dawngreeter says:

    Would’ve bought it already had I been able to. Sadly, the only payment system is PayPal and they aren’t interested in doing busyness with Serbia. So… yeah. Kinda bummed that I’ll be missing the “all future updates for free” deal.

    I hope taking future updates out of the beta package means they plan on having some awesome expansions of awesomeness.

    • Killroy Quartermaine says:

      you could always use another payment method with someone you trust and have them buy the game for you.

      It’s not ideal, but it’s something. You might also try emailing Notch directly to ask him what you can do about it. He’s likely to help you out, provided he actually notices your e-mail in the flood of people screaming at him for not fixing their favorite bug in the latest patch.

  39. LionsPhil says:

    Nnnnope! Still JAVA, which is still a pile of infectious arse-boils.

    Maybe during beta he’ll actually spend some effort on a standalone demo.

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