Batman Means Cat-Biff

By Jim Rossignol on June 1st, 2011 at 11:48 pm.

Combat yoga
It’s true. Looks like the chaps and chaplets of Gamespot got their hands on Batman: Arkham City for some caped fun times, because there’s a trailer doing the rounds. It’s new. It’s below. It shows Catwoman.

She’s playable, apparently. I want to come up with some kind of ultimate innuendo, but it’s late. I’m sorry.

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143 Comments »

  1. Stranglove says:

    something along the lines of Meeeee-ouch?

    • RegisteredUser says:

      Clearly he was looking for “Finally, finally computer geeks all over the world will get to play with a pussy.”

    • Tom says:

      +1

    • CharlO says:

      Sure, as we played with the clown for all this years. Wait, that was the OffLineDueToAnonymous people.

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    mcnostril says:

    Wait.
    One of the fighting moves is to kiss an insane probably disease ridden clown?
    Way to go catwoman.

    • wererogue says:

      This was my strongest reaction – but there’s plenty more moments where it sits on the uncomfortable side of sexy/degrading.

    • Radiant says:

      The comfortable side of sexy degrading is where she is doing…?

    • Urthman says:

      If you watch the video carefully, it appears that she fakes like she’s about to kiss him and then throws him the instant before his lips touch hers.

    • DarthBenedict says:

      Maybe she has herpes and can give it to clowns for +3 damage.

    • Radiant says:

      Anyway I LOVE sexy degrading.

    • El Stevo says:

      Why does sexiness make you feel uncomfortable?

    • Bhazor says:

      Well the song (Lykke Li – “Get Some”) is pretty much about domination through oral sex. So Catwoman does that now apparently.

    • gwathdring says:

      I understand the outfit, and making innuendos at batman, and that sort of thing … but cannon or not, the ridiculously over-sexed attack moves like the kiss are just a bit much. It sticks out as unnecessary in the midst of some really rather awesome and fun to watch footwork. It looks like there’s a lot of potential for at the very least some significant visual distinction between their fighting moves, with hers being lighter, slicker, faster, and more acrobatic. And I do realize that the over-the-top, femme fatale cliches come with the character for most purposes … but I’d get that whole playful, sexy, sexual aesthetic without her kissing her opponents.

    • gwathdring says:

      Huh … can’t edit my comment … I think the site is going wonky again. I like the new features, though.

      *misspelled canon.

    • Zogtee says:

      I have to agree. That felt more like Harley or Bayonetta than Catwoman to me.

    • Wizlah says:

      Can’t see it being especially non-canon. Granted, I grew up with Year One Selina Kyle, but she didn’t even seem particularly playful in her sexuality. She’d have kissed someone if it meant she could hurt them, no?

    • Calabi says:

      Yeah there’s no way she’d kiss them.

  3. Ralud says:

    Haven’t had much fun with third person action since Just Cause 2 so hopefully this will surpass Arkham Asylum and be totally awesome.
    And I’m not seeing any GFWL only GFW, hooray!

    • deadsexy says:

      Judging by the latest Eidos/SE releases it’ll probably use steamworks.

    • subedii says:

      Does GFWL have a separate logo to GFW?

      For that matter, I’m not seeing a Steamworks logo there.

    • Optimaximal says:

      They do usually append the ‘LIVE’ logo to the end.

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    AndrewC says:

    Nine lives is OP! Control cat, with mouse! I’d like to enter her cheat code! I’d like to…to…have…sex…with…someone…

    • DrazharLn says:

      anyone.

    • Mr_Initials says:

      Well catwoman is making her rounds so she will eventually get to you. I would suggest taking her to the vet first. Just a precaution.

    • BooleanBob says:

      For additional fun Andrew’s comment can also be read in the voice of Batman in that timeless ‘losing… consciousness… must…not… inhale… poison… gas…!’ style.

    • iq says:

      +5 internets, good sir

  5. Drake Sigar says:

    Great, I’ve always wanted to have a boner whilst beating people to death. Now if only I could beat people to death WITH my boner.

    • DevilSShadoW says:

      Ahh, the internet. They said I will never find people with the same twisted/sick points of view as mine. THEY WHERE WRONG!!!1

    • Freudian Slip says:

      No-one has your twisted/sick thoughts on grammar though )))))))

    • DevilSShadoW says:

      @Freudian Slip:
      Tried to edit and correct but the site went all NO YOU CANT on me

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      jezcentral says:

      Beating people to death with such an object is available in Saints Row: The Third. :)

    • RegisteredUser says:

      Dead Rising 2. Death by Dildo.

      Don’t you people pay attention! :P

  6. Jockie says:

    The Catwoman stuff in there actually looks more interesting than the Batman bits.

    • Olivaw says:

      I’m sure it’s just a reskin and reanimation of all the things Batman can do.

      You can’t have Batman be upstaged in his own game.

    • Bob Loblaw says:

      >You can’t have Batman be upstaged in his own game.

      Have you seen The Dark Knight?

    • mwoody says:

      I’m sure it’s just a reskin and reanimation of all the things Batman can do.

      So, Batman can make out with clowns? Alright, they’ve got my money.

    • Tsotsi says:

      Now we’re talking about Batman’s bits? Anyone else remember nipples on the Batsuit?

    • kikito says:

      >You can’t have Batman be upstaged in his own game.

      >> Have you seen The Dark Knight?

      Bam!

    • Tatourmi says:

      It always has, Batman is only here to highlight the villains and always has been. The man, in every aspect of his life, is a miserably common superhero, and since they took out the “I kill people for justice” bit he is even more standard. Batman always was a secondary character.

  7. PacifismFailed says:

    sad sad song censoring

    • gwathdring says:

      Not familiar with the song, I looked it up … why the hell would they even pick that one? Bloody hell … if you have to cut out most of the song to make it appropriate, you’re doing it wrong.

  8. pakoito says:

    Needed or gimmick? Cannot decide.

    • Gnoupi says:

      From my point of view it’s more “can I ignore it or will I just pass on the game altogether?”

      I seriously hope these parts are short, and only anecdotal. This is definitely NOT the direction I want in a Batman game.

  9. Nallen says:

    I didn’t see her arse. Why no arse shots?

  10. Hensler says:

    Damn, now I wish they were putting multiplayer in this one – Batman/Catwoman/Nightwing/Robin Gotham City Free Roam please.

    • Masked Dave says:

      One thing I did think was the much more acrobatic fighting style was very similar to how Nightwing moves, so it wouldn’t be a huge leap for them to add him in as well.

      Although looking at the combat scenes I think I understand why it’d be so hard for them to just insert co-op. Managing the fluidity of those fights when you have two players moving around needing to target enemies without hitting each other would be a nightmare.

      However I do think there’s scope for a Splinter Cell style multiplayer mode where one guy is Batman stalking the shadows and the rest are henchmen playing in FPS trying to find and shoot him.

  11. Valvarexart says:

    I liked the bit where her ass or tits were taking up most of the screen.

    • shitflap says:

      This video has bummed me out for precisely that reason :(

    • Bromeliad says:

      For other characters I would agree with you, shitflap, but not for Catwoman. She IS a femme fatale, after all. Like, one of the great archetypal ones. What else would you expect?

    • James T says:

      Lame excuses for tedious T&A?

    • gwathdring says:

      To be fair, there’s something to the argument that she is one of the more famous femme fatale in western media and has been portrayed to various extremes of that archetype both in canon and beyond. At the vary least, a lot of the slick, stealthy, fluid motions we associate with cats (even those motions we associate ACCURATELY with cats) are strongly associated with sexuality when translated over to people. Maybe that says something disturbing about our relationship with cats … more likely it just goes to show that body language varies across species to the point where one species’ plain old locomotion is another species’ “come hither.”

      At the same time, it’s never too late to reclaim a character from extremity and bring them back to a more solid footing, so I’d be all for a carefully constructed and integrated version of Selina Kyle’s sensual side that legitimately says something about the character beyond “Archetypal Badass Woman with Breasts, in Case You Hadn’t Noticed Them, Did We Mention Her Backside?” Also at the same time, I certainly don’t think her attack animations, trailers, or really any media related to Catwoman’s appearance in the game are really necessary to accentuate her physical attributes any more than her costume already does. Subtlety is only sometimes a main or even subsidiary feature in the Batman universe, but there’s a line between unsubtle and obnoxious.

    • Daniel Rivas says:

      My thesis: Nerd outrage over the existence of breasts is now more irritating than sexist video games. Puritanism is becoming more a problem than salivating prurience in these circles.

      We fast approach “peak boob”.

    • noodlecake says:

      @Daniel spot on there. :)

    • Masked Dave says:

      Yeah I agree. Her breasts seemed reasonable proportioned to me and she’s always been a sexy character. Also this was a trailer, announcing the character and selling the game, not the game itself. In the ingame moments there didn’t seem to be anything sexually accentuated.

    • RegisteredUser says:

      This is my issue with computer gaming.

      They obviously can make AAA weapon grade TNA texturing, modeling and physics. Yet we are stuck with bad japanese hentairapegames instead of high-end fantasy universe (pick any of your favorite rule 34 cartoons, movie chars etc) sexgames.

      Such a huge market, just waiting to be..exploited.

    • JackShandy says:

      The day we get a big-budget sex game that’s actually good is the day games can rise up without shame and take their place as an artform.

    • gwathdring says:

      @Daniel
      My issue isn’t her physique, it’s specific elements of the combat animations. Most prominently the rather moronic inclusion of the kiss. The idea that everything she does has to be sexual innuendo, also.
      You are perfectly welcome to your sex games, and I would genuinely applaud a developer who made a game that revolved around sex in an interesting and engaging manner and stood on it’s own as a really solid game–it’s not my thing, but whatever. I just want sex and sexuality in my games to make sense, fit the overall tone of the game, fit the characters, and not get too over the top in places where it is obnoxious and distracting rather than entertaining. In my personal opinion, parts of the trailer were the later. You’re welcome to disagree, but I think the sentiment is perfectly reasonable, and hardly puritan.

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    Sinomatic says:

    That’s a wardrobe malfunction waiting to happen.

    • gwathdring says:

      Should have gone with buttons. Or better yet, buckles.

    • MD says:

      Looking at her, I’d say the wardrobe malfunction already happened.

    • Christian O. says:

      The zipper has, sadly, descended steadily ever since the redesign.

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    Crimsoneer says:

    Kinky cat sex imminent.

  14. Urthman says:

    Nice job getting the MAXIMUM CLEAVAGE screenshot, Jim.

    • mwoody says:

      I can’t help but hear that in the Crysis voice.

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      FunkyB says:

      mwoody: That’s brilliant, properly made me lol, and conjures up some interesting uses for the nanosuit.

  15. sdtipps says:

    Hmmm… “Arkham City to feature playable playmate”? All I’ve got are titles that are cleary not dirty enough to cover this. There’s also one about Kotaku not liking girls or something, but that just seems low even by my non-standards.

  16. woodsey says:

    Looks like we’ll be able to go on a pussy patrol of Arkham City.

  17. Renfield says:

    In all honesty, Rocksteady’s Batman games have been a wet dream from the get-go; so no big change.

  18. DevilSShadoW says:

    also, I FULLY ENDORSE THIS!!!!!YES I WANT ASS AND TITS IN MY BATMAN GAME. Oh yes please. And those moves… oh god those moves………….. i will have to play the catwoman sections blindfolded.

    Yes I’m a sucker for ass and tits in games.

    As long as they are done right.

    And they are doing it right.

    I’m a sad being.

    :(

  19. DK says:

    How is that whip attached? Aren’t we beyond floaty-magic-attached gadgets and weaponry by now?

  20. The_Great_Skratsby says:

    Wouldn’t be a female video game character introduction without gratuitous ass shots.

    No sir.

    • Tatourmi says:

      Oh come on, be serious, most of the recen female characters in videogames didn’t have these. Shell? Tanis? Even the woman in gears of wars didn’t have them, and you would expect them here.

    • gwathdring says:

      Hmm. I don’t know those particular characters, but in my limited experience, game advertising seems to be getting better about that, even if the character design isn’t. On the other hand there are some oddball outliers, like the whole conversation in Mass Effect 2 shown half from Shepard’s perspective and half from the perspective of Miranda’s ass … but again, not an advertising thing.

  21. Man-E-Faces says:

    Looks terrific! another game that demands a PC upgrade from me :`(

  22. gwathdring says:

    Shouldn’t she put the goggles on during combat? Or are they just a fashion statement?

  23. Metonymy says:

    Meow.

    To get a high score you need to perform:

    Attack, dodge, scratch, dodge, leap, dodge, whip, dodge, whip neck pull, dodge, caltrops, dodge, sweep, dodge, nerdy face scratch, dodge, emasculating crotch throw, dodge, kitty bomb, dodge, suggestive posturing, dodge, ask them why they don’t attack all at once, dodge, Felicia cosplay attack, dodge, Bene Gesseret toenail evisceration, all in one single combo, without getting hit.

    • Comradebluesky says:

      “Bene Gesserit toenail evisceration” is my new favorite move.

  24. daggity says:

    The Gillen foretold! this! All hail the Gillen!

  25. poop says:

    catwoman certainly has a butt, thanks rocksteady

  26. Nick says:

    That’s such a fucking awful song.

    • Nick says:

      and that was a reply fail but the edit system is in a loading loop.

  27. Sigvatr says:

    Meh, same as every other girl in a game, pretty much.

    Duke Nukem might be a cunt, and there’s only one of him, but every single female character in a game ever is like female Duke Nukem and no one ever says anything about it.

    • Sigvatr says:

      Although if there is a mod for a nude skin then I will stop complaining.

    • gwathdring says:

      No one ever says anything about it, except the people you are responding to by saying “it’s just like everything else, nothing to see here?”

      I know I get my complain on when characters are hypersexualized unnecessarily. Bunch of folks on these comment pages do, with plenty from the other camp firing back in certain cases. Or by “no one says anything” do you mean in the gaming community at large as opposed to here at RPS?

      Also, while Duke Nukem is a standout (intentionally, I suppose), I would argue that there are plenty of male characters who are unnecessarily stereotyped and even sexualized–that said, the sexualized men in video games are most often surrogate figures for male gamers rather than eye candy for female gamers. Sometimes they’re meant to be looked up to as awesome and worthy of having hordes of women crawling all over them and sometimes they’re supposed to be more direct surrogates adopting some of the traits of the audience to feed the fantasy.

      In short, your comment confuses me.

  28. gwathdring says:

    Anyone else think the animation for when she’s hitting the guy with the metal bar seems a little lackluster? It just didn’t look like it had the oomf to cause the impression on the world or the sound that it made. Reminds me of a lot of MMO animations. It stuck out to me because a lot of the animation flowed and reacted nicely and seemed to match speed and force to the onscreen reaction. Of course, the sounds feel “right” when they’re unrealistically forceful thanks to years of ridiculously overplayed punching sound effects in film, so maybe I’m suffering from special effect blinders.

    • Stitched says:

      Nope. I got irritated by the crappy animation for *most* of what they showed (zero sense of weight and resistance).

    • gwathdring says:

      Hmm. I can see it more with some of the moves now. But there’s a sense of speed that makes up for it in a a lot of them, in the kicks especially. I think most of the kicks look pretty good. In all of the throws though … it’s like her opponents magically become weightless the moment she gets them off the ground.

  29. catmorbid says:

    Now that’s some sexy fighting moves! I approve!

  30. Atic Atac says:

    Lykke Li? Now we’re talking!

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      Morph says:

      Though the trailer cuts out the line “I’m your prostitute”. Wonder why?

  31. thebigJ_A says:

    Hmm. They cut out the line before “You gonna get some”. I wonder why. What’s so wrong with “I’m your prostitute”? ;)

  32. Kieron Gillen says:

    Hilarious. That they edit out the “I’m your prostitute” line from the Lykke Li when that’s exactly what they’re going for with it is the sort of thing which you can write whole essays on.

    Not necessarily very good ones, but you totally could.

    KG

    • The Dark One says:

      It still bugs me less than the Helter Skelter cover THQ is using in its Red Faction ads.

    • Wizlah says:

      You’da thought they’d have kept I’m your prositute in, since, well, it’s Selina Kyle we’re talking about here.

  33. GallonOfAlan says:

    Maybe she could shoot a puff of love hearts at her foes a la LEGO Batman.

  34. AbyssUK says:

    The alt-text on the image should clearly be catnip? Your slipping RPS..

  35. Jonathan says:

    Ah, you just can’t have a lady in a videogame without gratuitous views of her bum. I’m glad we’re all so adult.

    • FakeAssName says:

      just wait: someone will mod out the breasts on her model and then re-skin her into robin for some very funny scripted camera angles that sexually pan around Bruce’s live in “partner” and spend entire cut scenes focused on his bulbous ass candy.

  36. Teddy Leach says:

    Lol boobs.

  37. bleeters says:

    Is that Grey DeLisle? It sounds like her.

    Not to bypass all the talk about boobs, of course. Lol, boobs.

  38. Zarunil says:

    Normally I’d say she is just another female character playing on sex, and we already have plenty of those, some variety would be cool. However, if she’s true to her character in the Batman universe, then one really can’t complain. Authenticity is important in a game like this.

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    gnodab says:

    Wouldn’t “You can play with Catwoman” be innuendo enough

  40. Tatourmi says:

    Love the haircut.

  41. Fierce says:

    Guys, this is Catwoman we’re talking about. CATWOMAN. I don’t see any problem with the level of sexuality shown in this trailer. She’s to comic book readers what Marilyn Munroe was to the 50s.

    Seriously, she’s just as much a sex symbol for DC Comics as Wonder Woman and projecting modern day political correctness on it, while natural, is knee-jerk reactionist and a little shortsighted. Enjoy the trailer for what it is: a hype generating expose on how they’ve managed to merge Mystique-fight-scene-in-XMen-Movie moves with the fluidity of the FreeFlow combat system; an achievement I wholeheartedly look forward to enjoying.

  42. fallingmagpie says:

    A fine advancement in the important field of ass physics.

  43. StickyNavels says:

    Batman has evolved a great deal since he first emerged from the bat cave. Even bloody Superman has enjoyed a fair amount of character evolution. Why shouldn’t this progression hold in regards to Catwoman?
    I realize that the studio is probably under some pressure from DC to adhere to certain character rigidity – but I think the only short-sightedness in this scenario is coming from thinking Catwoman should remain the same static, over-sexualised masturbation material she’s been since inception.
    Please, “political correctness” is not a swear-word – and adapting to the times will not “ruin” Catwoman.
    Why not seize the opportunity to adapt Catwoman into a strong, confident hero like Batman? How about we emphasize her abilities and not her T&A?

    • Marijn says:

      +100

    • Fierce says:

      Allow me to clarify; no where did I say I expected Catwoman to be fap fuel because I don’t consider the character as such. My comparison to Marilyn Munroe was meant to convey the historical and paradigm shifting weight that the Catwoman character brought to the Batman universe and to that era in comic books. Looking at Catwoman’s origins, no amount of “adapting to the times” will fix her because she isn’t broken(!) Being strong and sexy is Catwoman’s MO, and her tight outfits and whip were intended to add dominatrix chic to her character bio. These traits being maintained are simply, you are right, faithful canon reproduction of the character and I for one appreciate it. It isn’t there to make anyone uncomfortable when juxtapositioned against their left swinging moral pendulum for that month of their lives, the one that’s all too ready to swing to the right for the next debatable topic.

      I mean, she didn’t even bounce! Yes, so used am I to annual revisions to the Breast Physics algorithms that I actually notice when they’re absent (Shudder). This is not the D cup bimbo in a loose brassiere Catwoman people are acting like it is. Some of these reactions, while just as valid opinions as my own, come off more like ad hominem reactions to her risque combat moves and the cherry-picked-by-Marketing camera angles/music of the trailer. Just please, PLEASE don’t tell me you perceived her apparent lack of character evolution, strength, confidence and heroism from a gameplay trailer where she said less than 20 words.

      The Saints Row 3 trailer dropped too right? Why aren’t people up in arms over how hourglass perfect and hypersexualized every female in that entire franchise is? I imagine its because it seamlessly fits into it’s canon attitude, and that’s precisely why I’m saying there’s nothing wrong with this Catwoman. Regardless, this difference of opinion is exactly why business models, rights holders, focus groups and common sense all scream that you don’t fuck too much with an established character as you risk alienating the core fanbase. (Case in point, I wish Capcom the best of luck with their reboot of Devil May Cry’s Dante – they’ll need it) She has always been a Femme Fatale and removing the sexy from Catwoman, does not a Catwoman leave you.

    • Marijn says:

      I imagine people aren’t up in arms about Saint’s Row 3 because that game is SO morally bankrupt in every conceivable (and even inconceivable) way, that you just have to give it up for a loss. Also, people aren’t invested in those characters – people who like Catwoman for anything besides her tits, ass and skintight outfit are understandably upset over this portrayal of the character.

    • StickyNavels says:

      I’d like to maintain that there’s definitely something broken about the picture when the most important female element in the Batmanverse was conceived, and is still being portrayed thusly, as a leather-clad dominatrix, whose “traits” are (depending on the writer, but usually in this order) sexy first and strong (or capable, rather) second.

      The issue I’m concerned with is not specifically about video games or comic books, but as I’m a fan of both I feel especially motivated to speak out.

      And as always, it’s just different opinions being expressed. I’d never want a discussion to degenerate into ad hominem attacks, so if you took my comment regarding Catwoman being considered fap material personally, I apologize. And on that note…

      I’m not sure where your comment about “that month of their lives” come from. There are plenty of people who are concerned about how sexes are portrayed in all manner of media, including comic books and video games, whose sentiments stretch beyond a temporary political affliction or a case of “white-knighting”.

      I don’t know who’s behind the trailer, but in my opinion it doesn’t matter if it’s a misguided marketing group or the actual core development team. The design of the character, her immediate appearance and the way she’s animated, including that ridiculous kiss and the fact that she’s wearing freakin’ high heels, all of that stuff is readily available for scrutiny. I haven’t played the game and I’m willing to assume that there’s a lot more to Rocksteady’s Catwoman than meets the eye, but I do find it bothersome that they chose to present her in this particular way.

      The sentiment that “canon” is somehow impervious to or above any sort of criticism is odd. The “problem” is that this Catwoman, or at least the trailer she’s introduces with, DOES fit perfectly into the canon attitude, which happens to be horribly outdated and more than a bit unhealthy.

      I’d just like to add that I LOVE the Batman comics (though I prefer Spider-Man) and I think Catwoman is a great character; however, the actually interesting bits about her usually aren’t emphasized and that’s just damn lazy.

    • FunkyBadger3 says:

      people who like Catwoman for anything besides her tits, ass and skintight outfit are understandably upset over this portrayal of the character

      I’m sure as soon as those people start existing they’ll be very upset.

    • gwathdring says:

      I agree with significant portions of both of your statements, stickynavels and fierce. I have to side with the former, though. I know for me at least, part of the reason I’m here and not over bothering Saints Row fans is alluded to about stickynavels’s post: I’m not a fan looking forward to the game, and I’m not invested in the characters. Sure it’s far more blatant and intentional … but it doesn’t hit as close to home.

      I agree that the portrayal of Catwoman here is not especially heinous, is most likely far more sexualized than she will be in the game (as I’m sure there will be some decent development and context for her character in the game–I think they handled characters pretty well in the first one), and I know there have been much more hypersexual portrayals of Catwoman both sides of comics canon.

      But, whether or not the game turns out to handle it well, the trailer doesn’t show any sign of evolution and shows signs of the innuendo getting in the way of gameplay flow (the kiss could be funny in the right context, but if it’s part of a routine combo it’s annoying and needless). Which brings us back to Sticknavels’s argument that part of the problem is that this does fit within canon. Not only is canon all over the place, allowing writers to pick and choose from a sliding range of characters that go by the same name but when it is canon for your character to be first described by behaviors and second by anything else, it’s about time to reboot the character because you are suddenly left with little more than a bland archetype. It’s fine for characters to BE bland archetypes, even, as long as they at least start somewhere else and are allowed to change.

  44. Marijn says:

    Whether or not you think this level of sexuality is canon, there’s still a strange disconnect between what’s acceptable in games and what’s acceptable in other media.

    In other words – does anyone think that the Catwoman character in the new Batman FILM will be anywhere near this pornographic?

    • Daniel Rivas says:

      Maybe she’ll even get to do some shagging.

    • Marijn says:

      Rivas, your attempts to paint everyone who has a problem with casual sexual objectification in videogames as puritans ring hollow. I could just as easily call you a pornography apologist for the lack of intellectual honesty that you’ve shown so far.

    • Daniel Rivas says:

      I just find it interesting that a bunch of (presumably) heterosexual males have managed to white-knight themselves into being offended by the presence of breasts. And I find it interesting that a five second shot of a bum and—dare I say it?—an on-screen kiss is enough for you to brand a trailer pornographic. I also thought it amusing that you think hollywood films are free from the scourge of the uncovered woman; that was the point of my original reply.

      I don’t think I’ve said enough to really be accused of intellectual dishonesty (such big words, though, well done), so here’s something: I’d take this comments thread as a case-study in how a good and reasonable feminist outrage (no to the objectification of women, etc—something I agree with) can quite easily take a nasty, sex-negative and really quite anti-feminist cover-yourself-up-love turn. I don’t approve.

      And, as it happens, I do quite enjoy pornography from time to time, though it doesn’t usually feature women. I don’t see why any apologies need to be made for it, though; it has existed, and will exist, for as long as people.

    • poop says:

      Im not offended by the breasts, i love titties, but im a teenage boy who lives at home with his parents and my mum walking in on me gazing into catwomans butt is less exciting than it sounds

    • Daniel Rivas says:

      Love you poop.

    • Marijn says:

      @Rivas: I think there’s a fundamental misunderstanding here. It’s not about being against the depiction of nudity or sex; it’s about the way in which it is portrayed. We should have characters in our games/films/other narrative media that challenge sexual stereotypes instead of reinforcing them.

      Obviously, porn has (and will always have) its place, but the mixing of pornography with other forms of entertainment is problematic because of the effect it has on our (the audience’s) understanding of sexuality. Seeing women depicted as sex objects all the time (gradually) has an effect on the way men and women interact.

      I called you intellectually dishonest because your argument (I think deliberately) makes no distinction between the depiction of sex & nudity and pornography. The former I have no problem with (in videogames or any other medium), the latter is problematic when it invades the mainstream because it’s often degrading to women and reinforces sexual inequality.

    • gwathdring says:

      Whoa where did the word pornography come from? WAY too strong. That’s as bad as Rivas throwing in the word puritan.
      This isn’t especially bad by video game standards, so let’s try to keep both sides in that perspective. Her ridiculous breasts look normal by video game standards, and the ass shots are presumably primarily trailer fodder and not especially pronounced in game. Even if they were, again whether or not you think that’s a problem, not especially bad by video game standards.

      Now let’s flip that coin. Rivas. I really don’t think anyone who has mentioned the kiss is speaking out against kisses, or even sexually provocative kisses in video games. The use and portrayal of the kiss is silly, unnecessary and bit annoying to some people. Also, arguing that movies can be worse doesn’t help. A lot of us bemoan sexual portrayals in movies as well. I’d like to reiterate that the issue for me likewise isn’t nudity or sex in movies and games. It’s specific cases and implementations of nudity and sex that take away from the experience rather than add to it. Just like any other element of a movie or a game is annoying when poorly implemented or distracting from the core experience and theme.

      Finally, in all mediums, I’m a little tired of having stick thin characters with athletic ability that doesn’t match their muscles and implausibly sized fat deposits on their chests and backsides given their overall build. Of course, this game is about Batman, and she isn’t the only cartoonish build in the game. Batman’s muscles are also exaggerated, and the Joker’s elbows, and I could make a huge list. It’s to be expected, and it’s part of the aesthetic. Really, because of that, I’m more willing to give the implausible breasts a pass here than in most games. But is it really such a bad, puritanical, enter-buzzword-here thing to want characters that look more like actual people?

    • Marijn says:

      @Gwathdring: Alright. I’ll stick with “hypersexualized” from now on. Though we could argue about what constitutes pornography – doesn’t that include any image, game or video whose sole aim is titillation and/or arousal? Or should I include the word “softcore” to avoid being polarising?

    • gwathdring says:

      Typically, pornography is defined in a similar way to obscenity, that is while it has no fixed definition and is in the eye of the beholder, it’s generally agreed upon to be obscene or indecent. Again, those words come along with their OWN subjective baggage …

      But frankly, very few people would consider provocative imagery like this pornography, because it is neither sexually explicit nor does it contain nudity. I’d agree that an image can be sexually explicit without containing nudity in a few ways and I would further agree that pornography, much like art, can be defined best through a more philosophical debate as opposed to linguistic. At the same time, there’s a strong connotation that comes with pornography that I think not only over simplifies why this content is objectionable to some people but also goes beyond the scope of the content. From another angle, I don’t think an official government or private body would, based on this imagery alone, give the game higher than a Teen rating or equivalent (though based on the first game, there’s plenty of solid violence to change that in the game proper).

      I think the word is a rather off-base description of the content for a variety of reasons. I also think that while certain aspects of the video and character design are aimed at titillation, that is not the primary intent of the game and while it is rather difficult to say any such thing at this point, I hope it is not the primary intent of the character either. I suppose if you then argue “why Catwoman over robin? Because she excites more gamers in a sexual fashion,” you begin to build back up the case for the character as pornography by nature of being designed with sexual excitement as the primary feature, but I really don’t see the point in ladling that vast a quantity of speculation over our limited knowledge of the development process.

      On a completely new topic, I would have loved to see Nightwing included.

    • Marijn says:

      Well put. I just want to add that I never meant to call the entire game pornographic, or even the depiction of Catwoman in the game (as you say, it’s too early to make that call). I DO think that the trailer itself could qualify, as it focuses on nothing but violence and sex and seems to have titillation as its sole purpose (as opposed to enlightenment about plot, characters, setting, mechanics, etc.), but I admit this is shaky ground. But just to be totally clear: all my problems lie with the trailer, and I’ll reserve judgement about the game (and Catwoman’sportrayal within it) until I play it (and I definitely will – the first game was great).

  45. Easydog says:

    See, Catwoman is one of my favourite characters in the comics so I’m excited to see this. Very excited :)

    But I’m worried that they may be drawing from Frank ‘ALL WOMEN ARE WHORES’ Millers interpretaitions rather than the capable, sexy, morally considered and above all stronger interpretations from other writers like Ed Brubaker. She’s an interesting character who can act as a more pragmatic foil to Batmans absolute and uncomprimising moral worldview. She’s a shades of gray kind of gal, as opposed to his black and white, right and wrong, frontman.

    But from the trailer she’s presented as nothing more than tits and ass, someone who is there for Batman and the boys to get a boner over, and nothing more. Character? Who cares about that when you could be looking at her rack? I hope this isn’t the case but goddamn I hate being so excited and so dissapointed by a trailer in equal measure. Fucking ambivalence.

    • Christian O. says:

      I agree (and you get a thousand stars for mentioning the Brubaker run), but I’d also point out that the point of a trailer is to grab viewer attention, and for videogames that’s usually do with action and not necessarily overall characterisation. Compared to The Joker trailer from the last game, I agree, that it doesn’t have the same degree of characterization, but the Joker trailer also heavily emphasized his fighting style over what we usually associate with him – the big speeches, the death traps etc. A small caveat here is that his character is more easily explored because he’s much more theatrical than Catwoman, and thus his range of attacks are more versatile.

      I just think it’s the nature of the beast, that trailers for action games reduce characters to easily digestible stereotypes that emphasize actions elements over character. Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to be that way in the context of the actual game. (Of course, given the visual redesign of Harley Quinn, it could. I just hope it isn’t and Dini does something proper with her character.)

  46. HeavyStorm says:

    Joker…? But… I’ve killed him… These criminals… they don’t stop! They never stop!

  47. Forceflow says:

    +1 for using Lykke Li as soundtrack, but what on earth is wrong with the animation? It looks glitchy and erratic, at best.

  48. StickyNavels says:

    Arkham Asylum’s animation was a bit “jumpy” as well, a result of the game adjusting Bats and his foes to create a seamless fight. Was hardly noticeable when you were actually playing though.

  49. Sunjammer says:

    Looks really dumb. Then again, it’s BATMAN.

    I dunno why they feel the need to make her a little goth girl though. Bring back Julie Newmar.