Augmentation Bad? Deus Ex: HR Trailer

By John Walker on July 21st, 2011 at 7:30 pm.

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We’re not always enormous fans of live action trailers at RPS. Unless the game is somehow going to be live action, it seems a touch irrelevant. And then I stop and think, actually, how is that any different from a CGI trailer? Then I realise it isn’t, and I say sorry to everyone. However, there’s really no justification for snarling at Square Enix for releasing such a trailer for Deus Ex: Human Revolution. They’ve released so many in-game trailers for the game that I swear we must have seen it from beginning to end now. Also, this latest is a canny response to their previous live-action faux adverts for Sarif Industries. And this one’s a touch bleak.

Clearly a large focus of DX:HR is the nature of augmentation, and its consequences on humanity. What the original Deus Ex games took for granted, this prequel will only just be coming to terms with, and as such there are many who are not comfortable. Or indeed extremely angry.

The game’s out in a month, which is crazy soon. Although of course it’s out three days later in the UK than in the US, because of SIGH. Cheers to VG247.

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  1. RiptoR says:

    A Deus Ex HR trailer? What is this, I don’t even…

    • geldonyetich says:

      It’s pretty clear to me that this will be the central moral quandary in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Talking heads will be making points for and against augmentation (this trailer being primarily the “against” stance) and you will be able to choose whether or not your support it. There’s two potential endings right there.

    • coldvvvave says:

      There is one canonical ending though, the bad one.

    • Alexander Norris says:

      @geldonyetich: three, if you count the mandatory middle-ground (it’ll be post-humanist, Luddite and “humanity isn’t ready yet,” most likely).

      @coldvvvave: who says that Sarif winning is the bad ending?

    • Teddy Leach says:

      We don’t know that Sarif wins, do we? Remember Human Revolution is before Deus Ex, and a lot of the world actually seems to have regressed slightly in Deus Ex.

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      El_MUERkO says:

      I read the prequel book, it’ leans toward augmentation being a good thing.

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      Gundato says:

      Nah, look at Invisible War. Okay, stop laughing/crying for a moment. It essentially made all three endings canonical, to some degree (although, I think it really boiled down to “Helios AI, with other stuff happening while JC was doing the merge”)

      SO let’s say Sarif go boom-boom in Ending A. Just end on a dark note of “Humanity’s need to augment itself and possibly sacrifice its own humanity in the face of the future. It never changes”
      Ending B, Sarif not go boom-boom: Bob Paige appears and is all like “Ha ha ha ha, I am evil. Yargh! By the way, nano-machines are the future!”
      Ending C, the world embraces mechanical augmentation. We then find out that the source of the plague in Deus Ex is linked to that drug that keeps the body from rejecting augs. And some time between the games, most of the visible mech augs were ripped apart in the streets.

    • Yargh says:

      By the way, nano-machines are the future!

      (Sorry, couldn’t resist)

  2. Bobsy says:

    Jeeez. If anyone’s still in any doubt that Square Enix have put a lot of thought and planning into this…

    • Mayjori says:

      im going to laugh when the game winds up being 5 hours long

    • skinlo says:

      So you can’t put a lot of thought and effort into 5 hours?

    • Kadayi says:

      @Mayjori

      The leaked preview was about 10 hours dude.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      They all say 10 hours – honestly I dunno where they took this time – I know Quinns played it for 8 hours in some closed session or what.

      I played the leak for more than 60 hours now, its THAT huge for exploring and erm… “sandboxing”

      I wouldn’t fear the length.

    • wodin says:

      60 hours on the leak!!! I played for about 3 hrs and then got to the impossible boss man…wasn’t fussed with it…and I never played the previuos games…so maybe my lack of knowledge of the game world didn’t help…if thats the case then I see the old players loving it and newbies might not see what the fuss was about…I didn’t in the leak anway…

    • Ultra Superior says:

      huh… old player… I guess I am in my late 20′s

      BUT – I can absolutely relate to your experience, because when I tried the fabled DEMO of Deus Ex 1 – I uninstalled it and I couldn’t appreciate what’s so great about the game with dated look. But then I got into it – discovered all the possibilities and mechanisms that one needs to understand in order to enjoy the gameplay – and I was desperately hooked. Playin DX1 every year since then :S

      What’s so great about this leak – it shows an area of the world that looks relatively small (3hrs) and the main quest is perfectly straightforward and comprehensible, – but there is an impossible amount of space and content hidden for you to explore – all layered beyond this first look – hundreds of secret places, passages, missions, tons of little stories taking place all around you, there are unlimited possibilities how to play the game (leak).

      The replayability of any given situation in the game is insane. The game even let’s you cheat it, if you find creative enough way to pull that off.

    • WJonathan says:

      A 60 hour leak?!? That’s a lotta booze!!! Bwahahahahaha. Tip your waiter, folks.

    • John P says:

      60 hours spent on the leak is ridiculous. The only way you could take that long is if you stood still with the game running for 2 days straight. Or you played it through 6 times. Or you constantly reloaded and replayed every section for some reason. And seriously, ‘an impossible amount of space and content’? ‘hundreds of secret places’? ‘unlimited possibilities’? Come on. Alright, we get that you like it, it’ll probably be a good game. You don’t have to lie about it.

    • Saleck says:

      It’s Eidos Montreal making it. Square Enix are just doing what most publishers do.. putting their name first in the media given out and getting all the glory.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      @John P You don’t know the half of it.

      Yes I played the leak many times, and yes I like to test different approaches to any given situation. I also like to hack every single device I find, even though I usually have the codes/passwords. They really shouldn’t offer XP for that.

      However I’m not even exaggerating and I certainly am not lying. You’d be amazed how much new stuff you can discover after you were certain you knew the level through and through. It’s really amazing and it has no equal in any FPS level ever – and I include DX1′s hong kong level.

      I presume you played the leak but I’m sure you found mere fraction of its secrets/things. It’s just not possible without spending hours there.

    • Strangineer says:

      also: Paying for it to be made.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      Yeps. I preordered as every one else from friends who tried it.

    • JackShandy says:

      I’ve played the leak through 6 times. I don’t think 60 hours worth of entertainment is an exaggeration.

    • Velvetmeds says:

      i guess Mayjori must be hiding now.

  3. Tei says:

    I wonder if DMCA make illegal to repair your own augmented eyes. To repair these, you have to reverse engineer how work. That is how GeoHot got in all that trouble. So if you can’t pay it, you either go blind, or rogue hacker.

    • Vague-rant says:

      I was going to ask how you would see your own augmented eyes. But then I figured out the answer; One at a time.

    • Tacroy says:

      That’s why I would only ever use open source augmentations.

    • soldant says:

      Then you end up with 6 different standards, none of which talk to each other, and refuse to work with anything propriety.

    • mejoff says:

      I knew a guy with a Microsoft spine, he got malware in it that made him jump off a bridge. But it’s better than the apple one, the walking you get from it is very elegant but you can’t bend over or run faster than ‘sexy jogging’.

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    MonkeyMonster says:

    Dark indeed, very well done though. That soon… I may as well hand in my notice now and be ready for it :D

  5. Rii says:

    My favourite live-action trailer/cutscene/adthingy is this one for MGS4, having a curiously oblique relationship with the fourth wall: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GG7MKEfeSvk

  6. jacobvandy says:

    I wonder if there was an embargo on this or something? I saw when it was posted about 8 hours ago and immediately removed ’cause VG247 made the video private.

  7. Nalano says:

    I liked GitS’s treatment of cybernetics better.

    There it’s all tales of corporate hegemony as well, but at least you get the sense that they understand that the cost to maintain a cyborg is high enough that only the ultra-rich (or corporate lackeys) go through with any enhancements.

    This “corporations are out to beggar the middle class” just rings hollow. No corporation would waste the investment on people who couldn’t afford to maintain it.

    • JackShandy says:

      “The investment”? Where did you get the idea that the corporations are footing the bill? Even if the customer gets to a state where they can’t pay for neuropozyne (And if they don’t get it, from what I know, they suffer excruciating pain/death) they’ve already made a fortune. Selling them these augs is effectively getting them hooked on a drug that they control – not to mention the cost of the augs themselves.

      That whole global financial thingo a while back should’ve shown that coroporations are fine with giving loans they know people can’t pay back.

    • Bodminzer says:

      Like how banks didn’t give loans to people who couldn’t pay them back?
      Edit: damnit

    • Garg says:

      Actually part of the worrying this is that in a lot of cases the banks DID believe that they would be able to be paid back, really the problem was a fundamental misunderstanding of risk, unlikely events and randomness in the financial sector.

    • WMain00 says:

      But in GITS the corporate lackeys or ultra rich weren’t the only ones that went through enchancements? Most of the population had been cybernetically enhanced due to popularity and neccessity. Sure, only the mega rich – or those working under a corporation or security force (ie Section 9) – could afford prosphetics that weren’t noticable, but other than that damn near everyone in the GITS universe had some form of augmentation.

    • Nalano says:

      And look how that turned out for them, JackShandy & Bodminzer. Not exactly “global conspiracy” levels so much as idiots in the boardrooms. I can understand corporations being amoral. I can’t understand why you’d make a game where all the problems would essentially solve themselves after a financial meltdown in three years.

      In GitS, most normal, middle-class people had internet hookups grafted onto them, Wmain00, but aside from government and corporate officials, actual body enhancements were largely the domain of the fringe in what were essentially extra-legal free-trade zones – sometimes literally offshore.

    • WMain00 says:

      Which GITS are we referring to, for there are so many? :P

      There’s the movies, which were indeed more corporate based. The series, which seems to be more generalised and commercial, and the comics, which were a mix of both?

    • Nalano says:

      Well, the manga and the first movie were mostly about hacking those networked folks, with a bunch of action sequences. Both seasons were about alienated underclasses under the tow of government policy, with a bunch of action sequences, and the last movie was mostly about the heroine and her ridiculously upgraded counterpart, with a bunch of robotic action sequences.

      So I suppose the TV series would be most apropos for this kind of discussion.

    • JackShandy says:

      Nalano, I don’t think exploiting people who buy limbs would lead to a global financial meltdown in the way exploiting people who buy houses did. There’s less of them, for a start.

      Besides – not the greatest expert on the GFC, but from what I heard most of the main offenders came out of it fine, and with a juicy bailout for their trouble.

    • RakeShark says:

      And let’s not forget, in a future where more and more people buy augmented limbs and bodyparts they can’t afford, the job opportunities for repossession employees goes up and up! Unemployment solved! Detroit is a working town again! Lions drop their 4th straight game!

    • Nalano says:

      Thing is, JackShandy, I can see a plot where corporations are enriching themselves making, for instance, a gilded society of haves and have-nots, where you can’t get a skilled labor position unless you plonk down the cash to get the appropriate upgrades (like, say, subdermal finger attachments to interface with modern keyboards or bone strengthening for construction work), but I can’t see a world where people would replace their arms and legs for the hell of it, especially if it would bankrupt not only them but the companies that built the limbs, the hospitals that did the surgery and the banks that financed them – especially in the scale that would lead to mass riots (which, consequently, would imply an ensuing financial meltdown).

      I get it: It’s a parable on derivative swaps. And as they say, truth is stranger than fiction. But it’s a dumb one, and in a world that short-sighted, everybody, from the CEOs on down to the beggars, is too dumb to live.

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      Crimsoneer says:

      Yes, I’m sure banks cunningly orchestrated it all. Because utterly destroying your stock price is such a worthwhile goal…wake up. Lehman Brother’s was known for paying the vast majority of its employees in stock options.
      Sorry, just felt I had to throw that out there. It wasn’t banks willingly loaning money they knew wouldn’t get repaid – that’s not a particularly sound strategy, as comparing any bank stocks to their peak 2007 values will tell you – but a radical reshaping of our landscape and valuation of risk overnight.

    • Kieron Gillen says:

      Having only read the first post, anyone who doesn’t think a group wouldn’t totally destroy a class of people for short term profits hasn’t been reading the news in the last few years.

      EDIT: And having read it, the concept of “metaphor” seems to be beyond most.

      KG

    • PiP999 says:

      Of course a few decades later, nano-augs will be on the market and won’t all the mechs feel outdated “dinosores” then! (I’m looking at you Agent Hermann!)

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Nalano:

      “This “corporations are out to beggar the middle class” just rings hollow. No corporation would waste the investment on people who couldn’t afford to maintain it.”

      As everyone else has already touched on the undeniable fact that business does indeed seek consumers who are unable to afford that which they consume, I don’t think that needs to be harped on.

      But I would like to look at your critique of the game’s believability.

      Exaggeration and defamiliarization are key components to satire. Johnathan Swift didn’t actually want people to eat babies. I’m sure he understood that a society that lived on the consumption of their offspring would not survive long. He exaggerated and created a fantastical solution to a real-world problem.

      If this game is doing what I believe it’s doing with its story, than it will be brilliant. Hell, even if it isn’t intended, it will be brilliant. Interpretation over authorial intent and all that.

    • FunkyBadger3 says:

      anyone who doesn’t think a group wouldn’t totally destroy a class of people for short term profits hasn’t been reading the news in the last few years.

      Except that isn’t what happened. Banks didn’t want subprime to blow up, they make more money on a paid-up mortgage than a repossession. It was massive incompetence all round, people borrowing more than they could afford to repay from people loaning more than they could afford to lend.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @FunkyBadger3
      But of course we can trace what happened recently to the economy further back than the sub-prime mortgage nonsense.

      The root of the problem is consumerism. Businesses hire advertisers to fabricate a lifestyle that is within reach of the average consumer. People dive into debt to support a life they cannot afford to live.

      Now, it is certainly not the fault of business that people go into debt. But we certainly can’t ignore, like the original poster, that businesses do indeed profit from debt. The sub-prime mortgage scandal was just a wonderful example of that.

      The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, as they say. (a saying backed by statistical proof, no less)

    • Nalano says:

      But that’s just it: As victimization, specifically, it rings hollow. Housing – shelter – is one of the two fundamental needs every human must solve. Elective surgery is not.

      As a plan to oppress a class of people for short-term profits, sure, whatever. Like I said, a gilded age. Capitalism isn’t in the business to promote full employment. As a plan to destroy a class of people, kill your company, your industry and the entire economy for short-term profits, not even the derivatives market was that dumb. As was pointed out: They were incompetent managers, and we – you’ll notice – haven’t actually extricated ourselves from the economic destruction yet.

      So as motivation for a game, who am I supposed to feel sorry for? The people who chose to get limbs they didn’t need or the companies that killed long-term profits bankrupting them? Everybody, again, is too stupid to live.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      That thing with bad mortgages is sadly more complicated – yeah, in ideal world, banks would like their mortgages to be paid properly, however, in imperfect world, they can pack these bad debts into “investment packages” obtain false rating, sell them again, make profit and when all hell breaks loose they can simply put a knife to the neck of the goverment “don’t let us fall or you’ve got a huge crisis on your head”, state prints more money, injects them into banks, they make profit, currency gradually lose value = paying off debts gets more expensive, strong economics like USA weaken, when they do, no one wants to store their wealth in their currency = no one wants to buy dollars anymore = dollar weakens and so on and so on until there really IS a true crisis. Which is sadly going to happen.

      EDIT: Bad thing about this world is, there is no other USA if this one falls.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Nalano

      I’ve having difficulties understanding your argument. I believe it may be that you and I exist within alternative dimensions.

      In my dimension, the average American is in debt. They are paying off student loans, mortgages, car loans and various credit card debt they have accumulated over the years through purchases that were in no way necessary.

      I feel safe in saying that the majority of debt in my dimension is not a necessary debt. Yes, we may believe that home and car ownership are necessary, but, they are certainly not essential to living and breathing. Home ownership is a concept that society has adopted as a necessity.

      Is it that much of a stretch to believe that cybernetic augmentation could one day viewed as a necessity when those who have them are getting the better jobs and securing the more desirable lifestyle?

      People will risk bankruptcy to obtain something they believe will make them happy.

      But that’s in my dimension.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      @ Pathetic Phallacy nicely said.

      Just imagine with augmetic eyes, you don’t have to look for things anymore, eyes find them for you.

      You can watch shows (porn) or play videogames inside your (eyes) head or you can stream your vision onto your fecesbook page and “share it”. You can have satelite navigation in your vision, knowing precisely where to go, you can put green outlines on your friends, red on your enemies or – you can put yellow outline on anything you can lift in your hands……

    • John P says:

      This is Deus Ex. It’s not simply about corporations making a profit; it’s about shadowy organisations vying for global control of governments and the populace. That could make Eidos’s handling of things more or less believable. It’s hard to know yet. I’m not convinced that getting people dependent on neuropozyne is going to achieve these goals. It’s not as effective as, say, creating a global plague and then selling the cure. But I guess they had 20 years to refine their strategy.

    • Towercap says:

      I don’t think you can compare selling prostheses to selling real estate. One of the reasons the GFC happened was due to falling housing prices.

      Housing prices tend to go up over time. That’s why a bank may be willing to give you a house loan even though you’re a deadbeat. This goes against the National Consumer Credit Protection Act here in Australia to begin with, and I would be surprised if there isn’t a similar legislation in other countries, but that’s not really relevant here I guess.

      If you default on your payments, the bank will, after a great deal of procedures, foreclose and sell your house. In the time since the loan settled, the value of the property would have gone up, so the bank will likely recover its investment and more.

      The situation in Deus Ex is pretty different, I’d say. The corps or the financial institutions that finance your shiny new aug or whatever can’t repossess the prosthesis, and drugs aren’t real estate. The set up seems to me more a metaphor for drug addiction than the evils of finance.

      And now I think I’m missing something in this argument. Possibly the point, entirely. ):

    • gulag says:

      Surely it’s about DRM, no?

    • Towercap says:

      It’s a heartbreaking work of staggering genius about the struggle of two rival digital hat vendors.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Towercap

      If your comment was directed at me, continue reading.
      The home ownership comparison is an apt one, given the argument I was addressing. I believe you have indeed missed something in the argument, in that you’ve decided to read one comment and take it out of context.

      I was commenting on the notion that most individuals will not go into debt to secure something that is not essential to their existence. A house with a big backyard in the suburbs is not essential to an individuals existence, just as some cybernetic implants may not be essential to an individuals existence.

      There you go, I made it so you only have to read this comment instead of going through the very difficult job of reading the comments above.

      As to your drug addiction comment, I would agree to some degree. However, I think consumerism and the idea of wanting a lifestyle beyond one’s financial reach is a more prominent metaphor for the game (of course I’m only judging by the trailer). But, the beauty of art is that it can be interpreted in a variety of ways.

    • Consumatopia says:

      Augmentations aren’t like real estate, they’re like education. Banks are willing to lend money for you to be educated not because your education will somehow rise in value, but because you’ll use it to make money. (And, in America at least, the government subsidizes the loans in a somewhat convoluted scheme). Financing augmentations would make MORE financial sense than financing education, because you can’t remotely deactivate someone’s education.

      Also, I’m not sure it’s implausible that the initial installation cost of augmentations might, by the late 2020s, be about the same as the share of income that middle class American families spend on education today. Especially if you’re assuming that GITS-style neural interfaces that let you see the Internet directly in your brain are so cheap as to be universal–the neural interface would like be the expensive part, not the actual mechanics of the limbs.

      Plus, the original Sarif Industries ad seemed reminiscent of the “ask your doctor if this drug is right for you” genre of American advertisements (sorry to be so parochial, but I have no idea how the economics of education or drug advertising works outside my own country’s experience). It could be the idea is that if you want robot-eyes, you’re supposed to go to your doctor and complain about some supposed medical problem so health insurance pays for it.

      I kind of doubt that they’ve hired an economist to make sure they’re script is economically plausible. And, yeah, it does kind of bug me that science fiction about the future fails to do that–it’s easier to suspend disbelief over fantastic things like hyperspace or time travel than it is over mundane things like markets. But I don’t think the trailers we’ve seen so far are completely implausible. Especially if you look at this one as the equivalent of a Michael Moore documentary today–emotionally effective, points out a serious problem, but doesn’t always get every detail exactly right or give you the full story.

    • Towercap says:

      @Pathetic Phallacy

      My comment was not aimed at you, kind person.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Consumatopia

      You raise an interesting point. The trailer seems to be shot like a documentary, from the heavily bias perspective of those who choose to remain pure.

      Approaching the trailer from this angle has made me a bit more excited for the final release. I feel like this game has the potential to tackle some serious issues. Perhaps it will show that the medium of digital narrative is fully capable of handling the complex themes that literature and film address on a regular basis.

  8. PatrickSwayze says:

    Augmentations: Not even once.

  9. geldonyetich says:

    Hello, excellent conspiracy plot trapping.

    Yes, these Deus Ex 3 folk know what they’re doing. Shut up and take my money.

  10. kickme22 says:

    One thing I don’t understand is WHY would you augment yourself. Human bodies are strong fast durable self repairing and extremely fuel efficient (tr energy in 1 gallon of gas can run a human for a year). Why add easily broken energy sucking metal to your body?

    • JackShandy says:

      Haters gotta hate, but I can basically throw cars around.

    • Teddy Leach says:

      To see through walls and then to punch through them.

      Of course, in Human Revolution, not everyone has a choice.

    • Gar says:

      Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

      Or the alternative answer

      derp

    • Bodminzer says:

      Post this on a transhumanism forum and watch as a million enraged nerds pile on you with awful poems and spluttering technofetishist dribble, it’s great fun.

    • taldira says:

      What if you don’t have a choice in being augmented? Like losing a limb or an eye in an accident or battle? That’s how corporations in DX universe market their innovations, at least in those sarif industries videos and from the game itself.

      Choosing to be augmented is like a nice bonus for those who ‘can afford it”, not everyone is familiar with that drug they will be hooked upon for the rest of their lives.

      You know, now I actually think this game is kinda thought provoking.

    • Abundant_Suede says:

      One thing I don’t understand is WHY would you augment yourself.

      Millions of herbal male enhancement users can’t be wrong.

    • Jason Moyer says:

      Why do people drink energy drinks or lift weights or get heart implant surgery or wear glasses or…

    • Maktaka says:

      Some thoughts:
      Replace injured limbs. Nowadays, a knee injury can end a basketball player’s career, recovery or not, because that knee will never be as strong as it was before the injury. An early season torqued muscle can retire a baseball pitcher for the entire season, which can kill a career.

      Truly always-on internet. We’re a society increasingly wedded to our cellphones, but those are devices that can still lose their charge, break, get lost, have low resolution, can’t be used with both hands busy, etc. With a 3G chip embedded in your skull, subvocalized voice commands, and eyes that support a full-view digital overlay (or nifty glasses like in HR), you have nearly infinite information available to your in an instant.

      Support/military personnel. Firefighters than can rescue people in a multi-story building without ladders by simply jumping to the higher floors. Built-in body armor for cops and soldiers. Emergency response personnel that can pull up a complete diagnosis as they examine the patient and have their tools embedded in their hands.

    • DrGonzo says:

      I’m really short sighted, I would love me some funky robo eyes.

    • Nalano says:

      @Maktaka

      Aside from the always-on internet, all of those would fall under the purview of a health care system (replaced limbs), government oversight (super-soldiers), or corporate investment (private armies). Each would naturally want to protect its expense (you don’t want rogue supermen running about).

      Hell, the major issue I’d see wouldn’t necessarily be that the HMOs would force replacement limbs on poor people who couldn’t afford to maintain them, but that the HMOs would simply deny poor people replacement limbs.

    • Zenicetus says:

      I heard an interesting interview yesterday over the local public radio (USA) station, with Aimee Mullens. She lost both lower legs below the knee as a kid, and is a star athlete and model. She has 12 sets of prosthetic legs for different purposes, including the controversial (in sports circles) carbon fiber “cheetah” design for running. In the radio interview, she talked about how one set of her legs lets her increase her height from her normal 5 foot 9″, to 6 foot 1″, and what a dramatic impact that has on social relationships. Also nice for modeling, I imagine.

      I’m not sure how many people would choose to amputate below the knee to get springy carbon fiber slats for running, but people do sometimes choose painful and expensive bone-lengthening procedures to increase height. And that’s basically purely cosmetic. Anyway, an interesting lady. Here’s the Sports Illustrated profile:

      http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/sioncampus/06/20/aimee.mullins/

    • Kadayi says:

      This is one of the weaknesses to the whole thing. Sure I can understand people adopting augmentations as a result of injury/illness, but even with the promise of faster, harder, stronger I can’t imagine there’s many people who’d voluntarily lose a limb. Still I’m suspending disbelief for this.
      Though the bit where the ‘professor’ says ‘I’ll be less stronger’ really is a case of /facepalm

    • Nalano says:

      +1 to Kadayi.
      Especially when faced with the prospect of becoming homeless because the bank loan you took out to chop your legs off defaults. Who would willingly do that to themselves, and why should we feel sorry for them?

      That’d be like going hungry to buy a $15k super iPad and then only using it to blog about how broke you are.

    • Jason Moyer says:

      I won’t lie, if there were augmentations that let me hit a baseball 500 feet and throw one 100mph I’d have the surgery tomorrow, don’t care what they’d have to remove.

    • Nalano says:

      I won’t lie, if the Yankees signed me up tomorrow on the basis that I got those augmentations, I’d take them too.

      But I wouldn’t bankrupt myself just to have them.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Kadayi

      “This is one of the weaknesses to the whole thing. Sure I can understand people adopting augmentations as a result of injury/illness, but even with the promise of faster, harder, stronger I can’t imagine there’s many people who’d voluntarily lose a limb. Still I’m suspend disbelief for this.”

      Exaggeration for the purpose of dramatic and parabolic storytelling, with a dash of satire to spice the brew.

      Why do women get breast enhancement?
      Why do men and women get liposuction?

      The society we inhabit influences our decisions and the way in which we view our body. We all want to be normal, or perhaps better than normal. If the standard of normalcy becomes cybernetic, what then?

      Hell, we could look at it from the perspective of adaptation.

      Joe is fired from his job because Joe doesn’t work as fast as Jim. Sadly, Joe can never work as fast as Jim because Jim has cybernetic arms that allow him to move at an inhuman speed.

      Jack wants to be a fighter pilot, but he has his standard human eyes and worries that he won’t be able to make it against such a strong field of competition who are using cybernetic augmentation to get an edge.

      Jack and Joe are fucked.

    • Joof says:

      There are stories of youth pitchers getting Tommy John Surgery as a child, because the replacement ligaments are stronger and increase how fast you can throw your fastball. I would’t be surprised to see people do the same for other things either.

    • Reefpirate says:

      Damnit, Nalano, you’re all over these comment boards, but I just have one thing to say to you:

      You keep going on and on about ‘bankrupting yourself to get cyber-augs’ etc.etc.

      Well, I know the cell phone I now use is basically free if I tried to buy one somewhere on the market, even though it was once worth about $100-$200, or even more. Technology gets CHEAPER over time. At one time I’m sure I could’ve sold this phone for $1 million (I’m thinking in the 1970s maybe). Buying an augmentation in this future scenario might be as simple as buying a new microwave. Not to mention, you could probably finance them with monthly installments of $10 or something.

      To assume that augs will be ridiculously expensive, and will remain that price indefinitely into the future is a bit silly.

    • Kadayi says:

      @Pathetic Phallacy

      I guess you missed the bit about ‘suspending disbelief’

      Still I’m always up for a game: -

      As regards Joe getting fired for not working as fast as a guy with a cybernetic arm, Joe lawyers up and sues his former employers for unfair dismissal on grounds of unreasonable discrimination.

      As regards the fighter pilot scenario. Nice thing about human eyes in a combat situation is they aren’t likely to be compromised by an EMP blast.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Kadayi

      But my curiosity rests with the notion that you would have such a strong disbelief.

      Joe’s lawyers fail to make a legitimate case, since Joe’s employers state that his dismissal was based on poor performance in the workplace and not because of his purity. In fact, the company has a number of pure workers who are completely free of cybernetic augmentation and thus to suggest that the company has prejudice toward purity is absurd. The company decides not to mention that all those pure humans are in the accounting department.

      In regards to your answer to the poor human fighter pilot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_shielding

      Certainly you can agree that people will go to extreme measures to secure an edge, even at the cost of personal health. Plus, I’m sure you would also agree that our standards of normalcy are shaped by our culture and if our culture embraces cybernetic implants, than it looks like you’ll be ditching your tired old leg for an ultra cool metallic kicking device.

    • Wulf says:

      @Bodminzer

      YAY, misanthropy! 8D THANK YOU for providing me with yet another example of precisely what I find wrong with the gaming subculture.

      It’s fucking misanthropy everywhere.

      Thanks for that.

      *disappointed sigh.*

    • JackShandy says:

      I think I should mention that, from what I know, the cutting-off-real-limbs-to-get-augmented demographic is pretty small in Human revolution, as is the forced-onto-the-street-by-aug-costs demographic. Purity First is exaggerating here.

    • Kadayi says:

      @Pathetic Phallacy

      “The company decides not to mention that all those pure humans are in the accounting department.”

      I’m fairly sure that Joes Lawyers would though.

      Electro-magnetic shielding is for day to day protection, it’s no defense Vs the EMP you’d experience from a tactical nuke going off in your vicinity though.

      As for why the disbelief, it simply comes down to likelihood of universal adoption rates. We are 10 years on from Windows XP yet as an OS it’s still being used by a lot of people, instead of moving onto Win 7. Yes there will be always be a group who jumps onto any new technology with glee, but it takes a long time for that adoption to become common place and the norm.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Kadayi

      I’m not sure how much you know about civil litigation, but wrongful dismissal is incredibility difficult to prove. Also, you’re assuming that this strange future has incredibly strong worker and union rights. Who knows, maybe a Republican is in power.

      Electromagnetic interference shielding is certainly capable on a grand scale. This is not something I really have to argue, since proof exists in a large variety of books on aircraft and aerospace power systems. Those systems require protection from extraterrestrial ionizing radiation, which can come from galactic cosmic rays. Hell, there are a variety of metals that you may have heard of that provide some protection (tungsten, titanium, gadolinium). Lightweight shielding is continually being researched and incredible and fascinating progress is being made.

      Your comparison between human augmentation and a computer operating system is a little silly. Especially since I’m discussing people going through debt and hell to secure a competitive edge in the workplace, which is essentially addressing your original comment. But sure, people sometimes like to use old operating systems. Cool.

    • Consumatopia says:

      Modularity is better than self-repair. Rather than an arm that makes some attempt to stitch itself together if I damage it, I’d rather detach it and slap on a new one. Don’t get me wrong, the self-repair capabilities of organic life are amazing, but if I can be repaired in a hospital or garage then self-repair is superfluous.

  11. sonicblastoise says:

    But its HUMANS who are taking away our humanity. So isn’t it just, more humanity?

    Oh, the humanity?

    • J-snukk says:

      I love you. And I love that this is below the long thread about why you’d get augmentations (to be better obviously).

    • diebroken says:

      “Who do you suppose left all that radioactive waste down there? And why? WHY?

      Why can’t we find a way to safely dispose of radioactive waste and protect the environment? Even if I personally stop this alien invasion, what kind of planet will be leaving to our children? And our children’s children, and…

      …Oh, the humanity!”

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    LarsBR says:

    This is just plain awesome world building and marketing. Well done, I sincerely hope the game will not disappoint!

    • Faceless says:

      I was thinking the same thing. The acting is a touch hammy, but conceptually the trailers have been surprisingly well thought through. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a trailer that complements the title’s story, instead of simply revealing it.

    • bruno says:

      I agree, it seems there’s a great story behind all this.

  13. Cooper says:

    Go to
    http://www.sarifindustries.com

    It’s been ‘hacked’
    One of the pages leades to a flash version of the DE:HR hacking minigame…

    • sonicblastoise says:

      I like how all the links still work. Especially the Language links on the front page, because you need augmentation to know those other crazy non-English languages

  14. Droopy The Dog says:

    So many sighs in RPS world recently, don’t get tired of the gaming goodness now!

  15. JackShandy says:

    Human Revolution now officially has my favourite set of trailers ever. Game shmame; these are fantastic mini-movies.

  16. fiddlesticks says:

    “What a shame.”
    “A bomb!”
    “I spill my drink!”
    “Mistah JC Denton in da fresh.”
    “Not advisable for a tourist to visit the canals at night.”
    “I do not move out of the way!”
    “Who are you?”
    “I can tell them you’re a spy and they will kill you,”
    “Green, greasy greasels.”
    “I now have full access to your systems!”
    “Everybody dead! Dead! DEAD!”
    “A bomb’s a bad choice for close quarter combat.”

    All right, that’s all I’ve got. Carry on.

    • JackShandy says:

      “Rhetoric! And yew believe it?”

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      JB says:

      Old men, running the world.

      Now that’s terror.

    • inertia says:

      You bastard. I read ‘I spill my drink!’ while sipping from a full cup of tea, and, without thinking, attempted to say it out loud in my best accent, while laughing, thus spraying my tea all over my desk. And my keyboard. And my toast. And my screen. And god knows where else.

      In summary: I spill *my* drink. -.-

    • Teddy Leach says:

      “Suuurre.”

    • Dozer says:

      I worked here one summer, picking up dead bodies.
      “Where did they go?”
      Ahaha. There’s always a buyer.

      My father used to say “Slaughter. Slaughter. Slaughter.”
      He’s dead.
      I like that.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      Soon that city will be a reality and WE will be crowned its kings. Or better than kings… GODS!

      “Now everyone will see why I needed a skull-gun”.

  17. YohnTheViking says:

    Wasn’t sure up till now, but yeah, they’re getting my money after this.

    It hit rather close to home for me too. Working at a hospital lab as a molecular biologist I’ve been keeping up with what’s happening in the field of medicine, nanomachines, and genetics today. The moral quandaries you see brought before you in this video are already part of the discussion in the research circles for the above mentioned. Maybe without all the superhuman abilities and globally controlling corporate entities, but nevertheless.

    • Pijama says:

      So, in your opinion, they are nailing the transhumanist debate well enough then?

    • YohnTheViking says:

      I would say so. There’s a lot less of that; “Corporations with the drug licenses controlling the government” stuff going on. But otherwise there’s a lot of this we already need to face up to. And not all of it transhuman.
      Hell, in five years time we will probably need to redefine what a disease actually is. Already now early detection of Downs Syndrome through better ultrasound is leading to an increase of abortions based on the child having down’s syndrome.
      HIV is still a disease that you can only keep at bay with constant drug use, half the beggars in Africa are either begging for money for medicine, or release from life so that they will no longer remain a burden on their families.
      And somewhat more mundane; Look at the GM foods debates. Crops that are under complete control of the corporation that created them, that will never give viable seeds and forcing farmers to buy new ones every year.
      Deus Ex HR is definitely taking things to a pinpoint for easier understanding and stronger moral quandary. But the debate is already here.

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      Stellar Duck says:

      @YohnTheViking:

      So, about those GM crops. That sounds like DRM on crops. :P

  18. razgon says:

    Loving it – these guys got me hooked on their drug, thats for sure.

    I just hope the game will be at least as good and interesting as the awesome “trailers” they have been putting out.

  19. Anders Wrist says:

    I barfed a little when they highligted “In God We Trust” in the end.

  20. inertia says:

    That trailer was brilliant. I approve.

  21. Pijama says:

    Bloody fucking hell, that trailer completely sold the game for me. It might not have revolutionary gameplay, but it definitely looks promising as a great experience at least!

    • Jake says:

      My sentiments bloody fucking exactly. I would buy the game just to watch more of this.

  22. Stochastic says:

    Human agumentation is already a reality. I really hate the parochial mindset that a lot of science fiction like Deus Ex and the “Shock” games take. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AoRmlAZVTs

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      Stijn says:

      I don’t think anyone denies this. Deus Ex and friends take it a few steps further, and that’s where the ethic stuff begins to get really problematic I guess.

    • ResonanceCascade says:

      I don’t think the original Deus Ex was making any kind of statement against technology. It allowed you to follow a character who did (Tong) if you wanted to, but I think the game was pretty pro-technology overall. It was more skeptical of government and power structures than augmentations.

      We’ll see what Human Revolution has to say on the subject. I hope it’s not just a dopey rant about how technology is making us lose our humanity or some other silliness. I doubt it will be though.

    • Stochastic says:

      Points well taken. I never played Deus Ex so perhaps I’m being unfair.

    • Selifator says:

      Thanks for linking that film, very interesting to watch.

  23. Teddy Leach says:

    Could the rest of you please preorder it now?

  24. Coins says:

    Consider me hyped. Wow.

  25. Acorino says:

    Man, I hope the storytelling quality of the game will be close to what we see in those trailers. Then we can expect one hell of a game!

  26. Cryo says:

    People have been enslaving each other throughout all of history without help from any advanced technology. We are pretty good at that.

    • RakeShark says:

      To be fair and badly paraphrase, what we call advanced technology today, a few hundred years ago we called magic. Both hold great sway over people in either awe or horror.

    • D says:

      But MAGIC never actually enslaved anyone. Technology is helping a bit on that. Of course technology helps us avoid conflict too, by making our lives easier, giving us time to be more compassionate and more concerned with the rights of people.

    • RakeShark says:

      I’d argue magic did enslave a lot of people. Though in this sense, I’m using a very broad definition of the word, which in this case includes religion.

      In this day and age, many more people look at religion as nothing more than simple magic: Deception, theatrics, misdirection, concealment, and many other tricks used by people like Copperfield, Blaine, and Penn. However, several hundred years ago God was just as real as planes, trains, and automobiles. God was always there, watching, judging, and punishing you because He was God and totally irreproachable. Himself, His son, and the man holding the book were better than you, and always knew best. And God help you if you didn’t do what your overly zealous churchman told you to do and what to believe.

      Yesteryear, the wrath of God(s) scared you. Now, the rise of the machines (or machine-men) scares you. Both of them seemingly ludicrous on their apocalyptic scale, but both based on commonly-held solid truths of their times.

      Not to say I believe all who adhere to religious principles are fooling themselves, I take those on a case-by-case basis.

      However, if you’re speaking more of the Dr. Strange/Harry Potter abbra-cadabbra kinda magic, then I’m a bit out of nerd field of knowledge on that. However I’m pretty sure there are a few books/universes where magic is used as a tool of superiority.

    • Tams80 says:

      Well in Harry Potter, the issue is at least raised (intentional or not it doesn’t matter), what with the terms ‘Muggles’ and ‘Half-Blood’, both of which are used in derogatory ways by some characters.

  27. Nighthood says:

    Did nobody else get incredibly annoyed by this trailer?

    It’s really made me dislike Purity First more than I did before. A LOT more.

  28. destroy.all.monsters says:

    Despite some of the console-ish bits of DXHR the marketing campaign, the use of Square for the cutscenes and that they’ve clearly invested a lot of time, money, and due care show they do actually care about this IP.
    It feels like Deus Ex, no small feat. It doesn’t really build on it that much (still can’t drive vehicles, use transportation – things that Project Snowblind had already done, the branching paths are fairly skin deep).
    In the beta the only thing that kept you from killing everyone was the amount of ammo available. I managed to kill all the police, Sanders, every civilian I could find – and there was no penalty. I find this very strange.
    I’ll be ordering my copy from the UK.

    I get that Teddy – I doubt that means we’ll have the use of trams or vehicles though. Hopefully you won’t be able to do a GTA like killing spree on release.

    @Flint – in Project Snowblind there were no mandatory vehicle sections. You could choose to use them or not. I’d prefer to have the choice.

    • Teddy Leach says:

      Bear in mind it IS a beta, and one intended for the press, at that.

    • destroy.all.monsters says:

      Deleted due to “comment is waiting for moderation” idiocy and lag – incorporated into parent post.

    • Flint says:

      still can’t drive vehicles

      An entirely positive thing from my point of view. No stupid and wonky vehicle sections!

    • RakeShark says:

      If you’re still unsure about a vehicle driving section, even if it’s highly scripted and involves you just pushing the “A” button, how about an underwater sub section? That’s the thing kids like this year!

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    SpakAttack says:

    Awesome… roll on next month!

  30. Kynrael says:

    Looking good imo. Hopefully a good, profound game will follow and not some dumb shooter/action thing not worth being called a game.

    I know, in this day and age, that’s asking for a lot !

  31. The Innocent says:

    Interesting trailer. I liked it. The thing that bothers me though is the parallels it draws between religious fundamentalists and real bioethical quandaries. The questions that the trailer raises, those of a corporation’s medical datamining and potential control over a person’s very limbs, are important questions to ask and resolve, and they *are* being debated among bioethicists. The fact that the game is presenting radical new technologies — a potential human and technological renaissance — that are being developed beyond control or ethical consideration is beautifully dystopian, and the game should be applauded for it.

    But the problem I’m having is that these aren’t merely issues of corporations having power akin to that of “God,” or that this new tech is a “sin.” These ethical concerns are distinctly human, and should be potentially frightening to anyone sensible enough to consider the implications. I hope that the developers are smarter than to have those who are concerned about the growth of radical technologies all be religious nuts. That was one of the problems that I had with Invisible War — people were either pro-augmentation unethical secular nutjobs or they were anti-augmentation intolerant religious nutjobs.

    Also, within the lore of the game, whoever is making that anti-augmentation commercial is a dummkopf. You’re trying to depict your opponents as scary, but your own people have creepy synthetic voices? Hire a PR manager.

    • applecup says:

      The voices have been disguised to try and help prevent ~the corporations~ from tracking them down. They have perfectly normal voices run through a filter to try and retain some shred of anonymity.

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @applecup

      A computer filter! Not very pure if you ask me!

    • Tams80 says:

      I do hope there was some pedantry and perhaps a joke in that last bit. I really do.

    • John P says:

      Based on the leak, it’s really unclear how augmentations are actually viewed by the general population. On the one hand you have this video, which suggests anyone voicing dissent about human augmentation will be rounded up and imprisoned or disappeared or something. But then in the game itself you have open xenophobia towards augmented people, like a theatre with a sign saying ‘Augmented people enter from the back’. So which is it?

      It’s like Eidos couldn’t decide whether most people approve of augmentations, and it’s just a couple of fringe groups who oppose it stealthily — or the complete opposite, most people hate and are afraid of augmentations, and it’s just a few unaccountable companies pressing ahead with it.

      I mean, there are even random NPCs who will make a comment towards you like ‘Oh you poor man, what have you done? You were so beautiful before.’ Really? How can this random person make an anti-augmentation comment like that to the chief of security at Sarif Industries, of all people, but these organised anti-augmentation groups have to operate anonymously or face persecution? Why can a theatre display its intolerance of augmentations openly, while actual anti-aug groups have to operate in the shadows? It makes no sense.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      @John P

      Lol, you really breezed through I see. Well, you can get perfectly clear idea what the opinion of general public is from the leak. Generally, it was all seen as a natural progress initially. Then, the society became more and more stratified and divided as the AUG started to take away jobs and people lives were ruined thanks to neuropozyne etc. Now, middle class takes it as something they’d probably need to stay in, poor people join various religious or other movements against augmentations. Populists thrive on this debate to get votes etc.

      The sign on the theatre is weird and honestly it does not fit into the rest of the place – and then, maybe its not such a banal racism, maybe it’s 1) safety measure for their guests, as public protests get violent. 2) sign that uses apartheid rhetoric deliberately to make a statement

      BTW that NPC you’re talking about has a quest for you and it makes a perfect sense in conversation with her / she knew you before when you were on the force.

    • The Innocent says:

      @ John P / Ultra Superior

      I’ve thus far avoided playing the leak (not easy!), so thanks for that perspective. Like I said, I rather liked the trailer, but there are a few things that I’m confused about. I’m looking forward to seeing how Eidos Montreal will handle the whole thing.

      What irked me about Invisible War is that the only people concerned about human augmentation weren’t just asking about the ethical ramifications of ultracorporations actualizing a sort of post-human revolution, they wanted to round up and lynch everyone. From what I hear, it sounds like EM is already handling the themes with more competency than was exhibited in Invisible War, so my whole point may be moot. I realize that the trailer is done from a particular perspective, but I hope that not everyone who is “pro-purity” is thus because God told them to be.

    • Ultra Superior says:

      Before I played the leak I thought all this augmentation theme is really weak. I thought “Who would protest against prosthetics ? ”

      Fortunately, the writing is excellent – it’s so good, you really start to believe that the problem of that universe is – it is changing too fast thanks to too rapid technological advancement and that it really can bring interesting questions – and social ramifications.

      Also, majority of characters are in that sweet grey area, where you can understand their point of view and its up to you whether you support them or not.

      Anti augs I’ve seen so far are – 1) gangs who compete with new gangs on the block – augmented/neuropozyne dealers. 2) political faction “Humanity Front” who keep the appearance of peaceful opposition to aug 3) Purity first – radicals with a hint of religious rhetorics however they too are portrayed humane and acting understandably – moreso than NSF. You can get to know them better and even ‘befriend’ them despite your augs 4) hobos who dislike them fancy novelties in general

    • John P says:

      I spent a reasonable amount of time playing the leak actually (played most of it twice), and I disagree that the writing is ‘excellent’. I think a lot of these themes and issues are handled in a very hamfisted, simplistic way. You haven’t convinced me about the inconsistencies in the way augmentation is perceived. There are such disparate ideologies that don’t seem to belong. You can see how it happened too: in the Deus Ex fiction mechanical augmentations were monstrous and frightening (see Gunther and Anna). I think Eidos started from there, but then they turned augmentations into the coolest things ever, so these negative reactions no longer seem believable.

      Certainly the more complex political and social issues resulting from dependency on neuropozyne has potential, but we’ll have to wait for the full game to see how well that’s handled. I think a fundamental error Eidos is making is hugely underestimating the power of governments. I know they’ve got this whole ‘corporations are more powerful’ shtick, but come on, it’s only about 15 years from now. The weakness of the US president in DX1 was explainable by 50 years of events. DXHR can’t explain such radical political and social change in the same way. And besides, we’re dealing with the Illuminati here, an extreme right-wing conspiracy theory about one-world government. If the Illuminati is supposed to be pulling the strings, the situation in DXHR does not seem to suit them.

      That said, there could be ways for Eidos to shoehorn all this together (the Illuminati is supposed to be getting weaker, allowing MJ-12 to take over, so if they run with that it could work).

      Look I think the game will be good — I preordered it months ago — but I don’t agree with the whole ‘omg best game ever made’ vibe. Certainly compared to most video games it’s noteworthy for tackling stuff like this, but comparing it to other video games isn’t saying much. Compared to the first, in my opinion, it’s a poor imitation based on the first few hours.

  32. GT3000 says:

    So…How much do you think it would cost to get a quickie from that girl?

  33. Navagon says:

    If they’ve put half as much thought into the game then it should be something very special indeed. Given how Portal 2 turned out after its own genius marketing campaign I’m pretty damn optimistic about this. Although I bet that Valve were a lot more involved in the marketing of Portal 2 than Squee is with Deus Ex HR.

  34. Hunam says:

    I have to say that DXHR so far has been an incredible piece of speculative art. The book, Icarus Effect, behind all the bang bang and sneak sneak, it boils down to regulation and legislation of Augmentation by the UN on both military and civilian personnel, as well as the fear, uncertainty and doubt of each of the opposing factions. I mean look at social health care in the US, how the sides have been whipped into a frenzy and acting out violently about a situation they don’t quite understand because finding the truth is a tough job in the middle of the situation. This is obviously topped with a sprinkling of corporate greed.

    It’s not so much pro or con augmentation, but how to control and define it as part of the human race.

    On another note, the game is coming out at such the right time. I don’t call a game art very often but considering the state the world is in with corruption and revolution and rampant technological advancement and increasingly public cyber crime, the game wont have to work very hard to really connect with people. You can go back and play DX and see what it thought the world would be like 50 years now. It’s startling that some of the themes have already hit us, like consolidation of wealth and jobs to big companies rather than self employed and small businesses, and the worryingly strong impact multi-national companies have on a democracy.

  35. TooNu says:

    I’d augment my body, if it gave me great dancing moves!

  36. Panikpansen says:

    Not directly related to the above trailer, but: does anyone know the production budget for Human Revolution? Or has an educated guess of the figure, either including PR or without – I can’t seem to find anything and don’t have the slightest idea what a title like this might cost.

  37. Frank says:

    Umm, sarifindustries.com is somewhat different now that Purity First has hacked it. It looks like this has not been noted in the post or comments yet.
    EDIT: the only thing I’ve found is that you can select the text “BE HUMAN” and overwrite it…
    EDIT2: Also, a hacking minigame in the upper left brings up Sarif personnel profiles.

  38. Pathetic Phallacy says:

    I hope the writing in this game is as brilliant as it was in Bioshock. We need our Citizen Kane, god damnit.

  39. Fox89 says:

    From what I’ve seen (and played!) so far, I really can’t empathize with the Purity first guys. It’s all just… “Waaaaah humans should be pure!” Pfft, nuts to that man. They just come across as the Greenpeace of future Detroit: petty eco-terrorists without all that much of a point.

    26th of August is gonna be a strange day for me. On one hand I’m out of contract then so I’ll be unemployed. But on the other…I’ll have free time at exactly the moment Deus Ex is released! Can’t wait :)

    • Pathetic Phallacy says:

      @Fox89
      I sometimes wonder if video game writers are actually superb masters of prose and creative ideas, but feel that they have to dumb down their concepts so that the average gamer can understand them. After all, we do seem to love our silly dichotomy between good and evil in video games.
      I think this game could have a brilliant story. However, I accept the fact that these fascinating issues will be tackled in a ham-fisted manner.

    • Acorino says:

      Well, I guess if fiction can provoke such divise reactions, then it did its job well.

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      dhex says:

      it’s kinda like the leon kass “ick” factor regarding bioengineering, a focus on “the natural” driven an innate sense of moral revulsion. of course purity first is going to seem fanatical – they’re driven by a non-rational sense of disgust.

      so yeah, leon kass v. ultramegacorp. i do hope there’s more cracks in the dichotomy, though.

  40. Johnny Lizard says:

    Anyone know what kind of DRM these augmentations come with?

  41. Iskariot says:

    Very atmospheric this trailer.
    It sets the tone for a promising Cyberpunk game. And I absolutely love cyberpunk scifi.
    Can’t wait to play this. I hope it doesn’t disappoint.

  42. Bantros says:

    Not sure if the game’s going to be any decent but that trailer was rather fucking good

  43. Adam says:

    This game better not let me down, or I’m gonna shit a brick.

  44. Reefpirate says:

    I just gotta say, all of you people who have played the leaked version, and then are coming on here and trying to correct all of us who haven’t for whatever reason are really starting to piss me off. Frankly, I don’t give a shit what your opinion is about a leaked version. I’ll buy it and play it and make my own mind up.

    At first I was relieved by comments like: “Well, leaked version was good… This game is good. Relax.” But now they’re all like, “Well no, you’re wrong. The writing really isn’t as good as you think. And this hope about this is dashed, and actually this is true and this is not true.” Fuck off. You haven’t even played the game despite what you think, all high on your pirated horse and crap. Screw off.

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      Harlander says:

      The truly important question that the leaked prerelease answered for me was “Will this game run on my half-decade-old POS computer, or am I going to have to bring my upgrade forward?”

      (It’s smooth on average, but with odd judders at quite regular intervals – rather like Alpha Protocol, actually.)

    • Yuri says:

      I’m gonna have to agree with this comment, although i’ve played the leak too. (Couldn’t resist. I’m a weak, bad person. :( )
      Although it helped me decide on whether to buy it at all/buy the normal edition/augmented edition/pre-order blah.
      Made a pre-order of the Augmented edition the minute i finished it. I wish there were more “leaks” like that. Feels like an extended demo. Makes it hard to believe that this was an unintentional leak, considering how heavily marketed this game is.(Yes, i probably sound a wee bit like a fool because of this comment, but something just doesn’t feel right in the whole leak story.)

      But i digress. ‘Tis lame judging a game by a beta/extended demo.

    • John P says:

      People are actually allowed to comment on things they have opinions about, dude. Chill out.

    • John P says:

      STOP TALKING ABOUT MINECRAFT EVERYONE, IT’S NOT COMPLETE YET!

    • Yuri says:

      Strawman argument is strawman. :(

    • YourMessageHere says:

      Unhelpful shoehorning of formal logic concept into discussion of actual real stuff is unhelpful, similarly.

  45. Alder says:

    It`s just so incredibly cool!
    Think i need to make such video about real political situation in my country

  46. Shooree says:

    Here’s an interesting article from a few months ago that this discussion inevitably reminded me of:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13273348

    a guy from my country (off all the unlikely places) getting a bionic arm. To me personally, there’s not an ounce of queasiness with regards to whether his or his doctor’s decision was good, but there were quite a few people (including doctors in both Serbia and Austria) who were quite openly against the procedure.
    It’s just amazing to live in this day and age when, despite all the horrible, horrible stuff that’s going on, you get to hear and see actual first steps into augmentation. Incredible.

  47. Owain_Glyndwr says:

    I know some people are complaining about the religious angle of the protesters in the trailer, but I think it’d be pretty cool if we heard more about it. Do Unitarian Universalists recommend it as integral to human development? Do evangelicals embrace it as a means of spreading the word? Has the Pope issued an encyclical for or against it? What’s the general opinion in Islam? I think that the religious side of things is a little bit neglected in games- it would be nice to see it fleshed out a bit more.

  48. Very Real Talker says:

    can you imagine how cool would human augmentation be? it’s sad that this videogames must depict it in the most possibly negative way…. but I guess fighting mega corporations is cool, so that’s ok I guess.

    • Ramshambo says:

      Because fighting mega corporations is really brave and not cliche at all. It’s obviously very unpopular to hate corporations and being against them makes you an individual.

      /s

  49. Very Real Talker says:

    also why is that woman dressed as a scientist? Is that a result of mind augmentation? It seems hypocritical for her to enhance her brain to the level of man with cybernetics, and then condemn others for using or making it….

  50. Angryinternetman says:

    This looks so goddamn great! Im so looking forward to this! Worthy prequel material!
    (and what the modding community can make up)