By Jim Rossignol on October 21st, 2011 at 10:17 am.
So, if the (reportedly false) rumours are to be believed (update: and apparently they’re not. Hooray!), the future of Doom 4 might be in doubt. Which raises a question: what do we want from a fourth Doom game anyway? Should the next Doom game keep it old skool with a key-collecting run-and-gun? Or should it up updated to compete with the contemporary manshoots? Do we still want demons on Mars? And should it showcase the next generation of graphics, or do something new with the way shooters work? If you were in charge, what would you do?
Personally I quite like the idea of re-releasing a blow-by-blow remake the original game in an astonishing modern engine, with the only gameplay concessions to modern design being mouse-look and so on. Failing that, a single-button iPhone game, like Canabalt with cacodemons. (Not really. Likely.)
21/10/2011 at 10:19 EOT says:
For id not to make it.
21/10/2011 at 10:22 Meat Circus says:
This.
21/10/2011 at 10:50 abigbat says:
why? I actually enjoyed Doom 3, did a good job of blending the shooties with the scaries.
I’d certainly like to see an exploration of Doom 2, set on earth again, perhaps dealing with the invasion itself or humanities attempt to mop up the aftermath.
21/10/2011 at 11:27 Bluris says:
Problem is that Doom shouldn’t be a game with scaries, it should be a endless mob of monsters rushing at you in overwhelming numbers.
While I like games like Half Life that can make me jump, it isn’t what I wanted from a Doom game. Doom 3 was one of the bigger disappoints for me at that time because of that.
21/10/2011 at 11:48 sidhellfire says:
The worst thing in Doom3 was that it wasn’t thriller-scary with awesome battles with rock music in background. It was nothing, but prank-flash-screamer festival like in modern horror movies. It was annoying and tiring.
The most stupid thing, when you know that enemies will spawn behind you. You examine area, and when trying to advance – literately wall you were examining opens with a monster inside. How stupid is that? Why architect of this space station built that compartment, why is it hidden. How did mutant get into that, why he wasn’t making any noises while inside, why the heck wall just opened when I was about to leave. Bad level designing, bad!
Doom3 looked nice, although it was so dark, that you had to pull up brightness/gamma to see shit and thus made game grey and not so amusing to the eyes (same with Metro 2033)
21/10/2011 at 12:27 Juan Carlo says:
I agree.
But only so they can just do Quake 5: Arena.
Their games have all sucked since Quake 3, so why not just remake Quake 3?
21/10/2011 at 12:35 vodka and cookies says:
Ha ha, indeed yes.
All joking aside I would hope they instead move towards a cartoon (Pixar) look or Borderlands style which would suit the look of Doom 1 being bright and colourful and having a lot of enemies on screen.
No hyper realistic graphics, they’re ridiculously expensive to generate, takes too long to make them and generally cause all sorts of trouble – the more complex graphically games get the more unstable they seem to be on the PC.
21/10/2011 at 12:39 Ernesto says:
“For id not to make it.”
I also don’t like endless continuations (ok. 4 is not endless). With every new part of a series developers/publishers do more damage. Especially from the publishers point of view it’s convenient and efficient to make sequels until the well runs dry, but it’s not the way to win
fansclients in my opinion.What I want is a new, meaningful, interesting game developed by a group of enthusiasts. What I don’t want is a game that desperately tries to be Doom, but really isn’t.
Doom was fun. Now let it rest in peace.
21/10/2011 at 14:20 Metonymy says:
Adding to the sentiments above, it needs all the things that modern shooters fail to have.
-Environment variety that is spacially focused, not detail focused.
-Weapon mechanics variety, with no mechanics limitations (no deteriorating aim, no reloads, no kickback, no ironsights)
-Enemy variety that is power based rather than AI based. Homing shots, or flying shots produce emergent gameplay between enemies, but bots hopping left and right like a carnival game DO NOT.
-Slow, powerful enemies produce more complex gameplay than fast, weak ones.
-Instant reaction to player commands, with no acceleration concepts anywhere.
-The ‘real’ difficulty level needs to have strict ammo control. Meaning, take the average game, where a game reviewer will say ‘there’s not enough ammo,’ and then additionally reduce the ammo count by 80%. Instead of 50 shotgun shells, you get 10. Instead of 200 bullets, you get 40.
-Large enemy counts, most fights should be 3-5 enemies at once, large fights should be 50+ at once.
-No separate weapon buttons, like grenades. All weapons get their own slots.
-No plot, no talking, no characters, no inventory, no cutscenes. Fetching keys is perfectly acceptable, since nothing more complex than key fetching has ever existed in any fps, anyway.
-High player speed, about 10x faster than modern shooters. No run button.
-Health bar. Nothing regenerates. Health packs are used instantly on pickup, and don’t replenish health quickly.
21/10/2011 at 14:37 ziusudra says:
Funny that meat circus avatar is Shodan, because it always felt to me that Doom3 was trying really hard to be sort of like System Shock2, gotta copy the masters, rip Looking Glass.
21/10/2011 at 15:40 Rane2k says:
What Metonymy said, basically.
DooM 4 should beDooM II II (Yes, Doom 2, part 2. ^^)
24/10/2011 at 03:03 oldfart says:
Doom 3 was an OK game, with nice graphics, albeit too much repetitive (find stuff, walk over stuff, wall blows and monster drops) and too dark to contrast with the dynamic lighting. The biggest problem was Doom 3 wasn’t a Doom game; it was something else, more like a type of Resident Evil.
21/10/2011 at 10:21 Nemon says:
I want duct taped flashlight in vanilla. Also, they should name it D4OM.
21/10/2011 at 10:36 Ian says:
S’gotta be 4OOM, for me.
21/10/2011 at 11:29 RaytraceRat says:
it should be IVOOM, so you can type it as iVOOM and read it eye-voom. I’ve heard that nowadays everything that starts with an “i” is cooler.
21/10/2011 at 12:26 Ian says:
OOoh, or DOOIV.
The ‘IV’ almost looks like a broken M!
21/10/2011 at 12:44 Donjo says:
I want a fully integrated on-line social media service, with masses of stat tracking and it BETTER link up with facebook and Origin. If it doesn’t have any kill streaks I will NOT be buying.
Well… I loved the originals and if I actually wanted to keep playing them there are countless maps available to download all over the place… I quite liked Doom 3 although it got a bit boring. If someone could somehow alchemically condense the things that made Doom and the Half-Life series brilliant and then combine them I’d actually be quite happy.
21/10/2011 at 12:47 Jackablade says:
Leave the exclamation point in there and you won’t have a broken ‘m’ any more.
DOOIV!
21/10/2011 at 13:02 Mirqy says:
They should use all of these ideas together: 44OIV!
21/10/2011 at 15:24 stele says:
You guys are hilarious.
22/10/2011 at 17:25 Perjoss says:
I quite like DOOIV!
oh… I think I’m the kind of person you guys are making fun of in the first place…
21/10/2011 at 10:21 apocraphyn says:
Original Doom revamp with modern graphics would be nice.
I imagine it would look something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQFx_e_0jc
21/10/2011 at 10:26 tenseiga says:
awesome photorealistc engine! music score needs work though.
21/10/2011 at 10:51 abigbat says:
that guy is my new hero.
21/10/2011 at 11:12 siegarettes says:
thank you for that. brightened up my (almost) morning.
I love the RPS community.
21/10/2011 at 11:47 Stense says:
That’s adorably demented.
22/10/2011 at 04:08 Skabooga says:
He’s probably still bitter about being woken up at 2 am every night for a year.
22/10/2011 at 09:10 John Brindle says:
It makes you want to have kids just so you can shoot water guns at them.
21/10/2011 at 10:21 BooleanBob says:
A game where you can talk to… ah, you get the idea.
21/10/2011 at 13:34 V. Profane says:
Girls?
21/10/2011 at 10:24 limbclock says:
I want Carmack to get the band back together working together see what could be done with the franchise. Not likely to happen, but a man can dream
21/10/2011 at 10:24 sneetch says:
I want a game where you control a group of four marines from an isometric perspective. One of them should have a device which allows you to mind-control the demons.
21/10/2011 at 11:40 Eagle0600 says:
Perhaps with some sort of marine-upgrading meta-game?
24/10/2011 at 02:58 oldfart says:
Do you mean Syndicate Doom ?
21/10/2011 at 10:25 Eclipse says:
I’d love to roam around huge starbases filled with demonic beasts, without scripted encounters.
And yes, I’d love to have the colored keys back, it’s not like modern games have much different ways to backtrack you a bit, sci-fi shooters are filled with stuff like “the energy power went out, find a whatever cell and plug it into the whatever maintenance system to lift the doors”. Just give me the damn colored keys then and make the whole game more arcade.
Also no cutscenes or dialogues please, I just want shooting in big maps full of monsters, good level design, trapsambush zones, no auto-regen life, and maybe some puzzles scattered around.
Oh and I almost forgot one of the most important things: An awesome hard rock/metal soundtrack playing during the whole game
21/10/2011 at 12:35 Nemrod says:
DO NEED!
21/10/2011 at 23:21 BathroomCitizen says:
DO WANT
I sure do miss the old keycard hunting. Years ago I quite hated it, but now when I find all the damn keys, it makes me feel suddenly SO SMART!
Surely the most gratifying experience in years.
21/10/2011 at 10:26 Alien426 says:
Stick with old school gameplay. Maybe even go so far to enable importing old WAD maps.
I really like the versatility of the whole game. You could make futuristic or old-timey maps. It had good texture and object variety. Kinda like Quake 1.
21/10/2011 at 10:26 HexDSL says:
But Rage is so close to the the doom experience in many ways that i wonder if we even need doom 4
21/10/2011 at 15:46 Rane2k says:
Except that Rage does not have one of the most important aspects of the original DooMs:
HORDES upon HORDES of monsters. Rage has 3-4 monsters in the average encounter, while DooM II had sometimes 50 or more.
(Disclaimer: I like Rage, but classic DooM gameplay it is not.)
21/10/2011 at 10:26 bill says:
The game that doom4 would be, if it was released today.
But, that’s very unlikely to happen. I haven’t played RAGE, but my sense was that it was trying to be a bridge between PC shooters and Console shooters… and if it’s sales have failed on consoles then I’m not sure where Bethesda/Id will go from here. They might go back to PC style, they might go full on CoD console style, or they might focus on engines and let others make the game.
The 3rd might be the best option.
TBH, I’m not sure that Doom4 is a winner. Times have changed, and it’s probably not the big IP that it once was. Especially on consoles. Make it too oldschool and we risk the old “it’s a great engine but it’s just the same game” complaints… make it too newschool and any old doom fans are going to dislike it.
I think going for a new IP in Rage was the right idea… even if it didn’t pan out.
21/10/2011 at 10:39 bill says:
If they make Doom4 now, I think it needs to have HUGE spaces, otherworldly architecture, hundreds of enemies on screen, non-linear maps, and slow moving projectiles.
BUT, it doesn’t need to be intentionally dumb (we have serious sam for that). It needs some of the cool AI and movement from RAGE, but also with advanced physics and tactical AI. and a cool (original!) story.
I actually think a lot of the RAGE tech (if it worked) would make cool Doom-style levels… just needs more open-ness and more color.
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If they decide to do something different (which I think they should) then they should go nuts. Procedurally generated hellscapes. Drop-in drop-out co-op with up to 100 players, and the number of enemies scales to fit.
Or do something amazing with the tech ID, like portal…
21/10/2011 at 11:25 Prime says:
Bill wins the thread, everybody. Doom 4 needs to be like the original Dooms but ON A COLOSSAL SCALE. Drop me into a room with 20 imps? No. Drop me into a burning city park with 2000 of the buggers!
21/10/2011 at 14:17 bill says:
Burning city park would be ok… but a little close to Serious Sam’s open flat arenas. I want chasms and ramparts and seas of blood and rising and falling buildings and all the other stuff that doom had (at least in my mind).
What I mean to say is, scale was important to doom (and SS captured the scale well). But level design was also important – and I’d want more now, like AI.
21/10/2011 at 10:28 Yehat says:
A Doom II remake with a built-in map editor, mod downloader and community features would keep me entertained for the next 10 years or so. Think Trackmania, but with demons.
21/10/2011 at 10:30 Mechorpheus says:
A Direct3d renderer for their tech5 abomination, so that anyone with an ATI GPU can actually play it…….
21/10/2011 at 13:30 Azhrarn says:
With the latest AMD preview drivers 11.10 Preview 2 it runs like a dream on my HD5870.
The only bug I still have is that cloth flags flicker black (and nothing else, no texture pop, no texture bugs, nothing).
Framerate is terrific though, steady as a rock at 60 FPS (thanks to v-sync, tearing was terrible) with my GPU barely even heating up compared to normal DirectX 11 games. Fans stay near idle.
Detail is turned up as high as it’ll go through a config-file (along with 8x FSAA and 16x AF) and the game looks great even though the large-scale texture detail is still terrible compared to the characters and vehicles. Hopefully the new patch will compensate a bit with the bicubic interpolation options.
21/10/2011 at 16:22 Mechorpheus says:
I’m running a mobile part (6990M to be exact) and while the desktop preview packs will install, and everything D3D plays fine, attempting to launch any OpenGL game (not just RAGE, even my OpenGL Doom 1 source-port does the same) makes the entire display driver crash, resulting in a hard-locked application. The only recourse is to copy the OpenGL .dll file out of the older BF3 preview betas, then it works but the framerate is all over the shop. Even the recently released v3 previews don’t help. I can only hope the official WHQL version supposedly coming out at the end of the month fix things, as I can’t help feeling that Dell won’t get around to an official driver till around the launch of RAGE 2.
21/10/2011 at 10:31 Ross Angus says:
I want it all procedurally generated. Infinite Doom! Eat your words, Carmack!
21/10/2011 at 10:32 yourgrandma says:
A 110% PC exclusive shooter would be nice. Haven’t played one of those in years…
21/10/2011 at 11:32 figvam says:
Did you try Hard Reset? It has got that original Doom feel to it, too.
21/10/2011 at 23:25 BathroomCitizen says:
Hard Reset was decent at best for me. When it was announced I couldn’t wait for the game to come out, but after giving it a try it couldn’t hold my attention for a long time.
I think it was both a combination of boring weapons and boring enemies. The environment was one of its really good points, really rich in detail and memorable. Maybe too many explosive canisters. Still, better than damn crates!
21/10/2011 at 10:34 JackDandy says:
I’d love for Doom 4 to be really, REALLY mod compatible, and multiplayer friendly. Let id remember the reason the first 2 Doom games were so popular.
And I’d love to see the return of the interesting map designs of the classic games, too.
Oh, and the player would move just like in first games, too. That is, like a racing car.
21/10/2011 at 10:34 DrGonzo says:
A coop shooter. All my great memories of doom are either coop, or coop deathmatch.
21/10/2011 at 10:36 Radiant says:
Innovation.
Freshness.
Monsters.
21/10/2011 at 13:02 zeroskill says:
21/10/2011 at 10:37 Ian says:
I want it to be a text adventure.
21/10/2011 at 16:56 jon_hill987 says:
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a pinkie demon.
21/10/2011 at 10:38 Dominic White says:
Doom 4 in my mind should look almost exactly like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZHKgAl6oMt4#t=644s
But with modern graphics, more monster types and a bunch of new guns.
Doom is still an amazingly compelling gameplay framework, and modern engine updates and mods have only made it better. There IS room there for a direct sequel, even in the modern day. Serious Sam 3 is proof that there’s a market still for straightforward shooters, and, in all honesty, I think Doom 2 still has far more weight and ‘power’ behind its combat than Serious Sam.
Edit: Oh yeah, the above is Doom with jumping, crouching, mouselook, altfires, reloading, and even a little regenerating health. It also works great, as the core framework supports them very nicely.
21/10/2011 at 11:28 Prime says:
HOLY SHIT.
That looks fucking awesome! Brutal Doom, you say? Zpack, you say? I SO know what I’m doing today!
21/10/2011 at 11:36 MuscleHorse says:
Prime, Zpack is just the set of levels. Brutal Doom plays ball with pretty much any map pack, so long as it doesn’t change gameplay, add weapons etc. You’ll also need the latest SVN build of GZDoom.
Have fun. It’s amazing how much love Doom still gets in the form of modifications.
21/10/2011 at 12:23 Dominic White says:
Whenever someone says something dumb like ‘Doom was good for its time, but shooters have moved on. Nobody wants a game like that anymore’, I link them that video. I’m fairly sure it leads to the vast majority of them just installing the game straight away.
21/10/2011 at 12:40 Nemrod says:
Well that should be DOOIV!
21/10/2011 at 12:43 yhalothar says:
This is lovely!
21/10/2011 at 12:54 perfectheat says:
This is amazing! Pleas tell me that it can co-op?
21/10/2011 at 12:59 Dominic White says:
Yep, there’s a Brutal Doom version for Skulltag – http://www.skulltag.net/ – which means lag-free multiplayer with modern netcode. Also, there’s plenty of servers running it online already.
Only problem I’ve encountered is that Brutal Doom sometimes breaks the scripting in some Invasion (Skulltags special arena/wave-survival mode) maps, but it still only happens rarely.
21/10/2011 at 13:16 Robin says:
yes to everything but health regen.
and level design should be more articulated and complex than that… but yeah doom engine had its limits it that space.
21/10/2011 at 13:47 Dominic White says:
The health regen in Brutal Doom is actually pretty clever. If you’re VERY badly damaged, it rechages up to about 30% (maybe one imp fireball worth of damage), so you can actually have a fighting chance to get out of a tough situation. You also regenerate health up to that level but at a much faster rate while chainsawing enemies, so you can tear your way out of trouble, too.
If you have a berserk pack, you can perform Mortal Kombat-esque finishing moves on enemies, which heals you for a chunk of health roughly based on the enemy toughness. A zombie will give you 5hp, an imp, 10, a demon, 15, to 50 or so for finishing off a Baron of Hell that way.
As for the level, that’s one of the shortest, simplest levels in the ZPack, but it’s packed to the gills with ‘popcorn’ enemies that make for good gameplay footage.
21/10/2011 at 10:43 Javier-de-Ass says:
huge sprawling openended levels (not in the style of serious sam which just has big room next to big room in a very linear “corridor”), double digit enemies to fight at once and possibly triple digits enemies on screen at once in open areas. no hitscan enemies, all projectile and being able to physically dodge enemy attacks, or required to think tactically in how you fight different enemies. I guess “mental” or magic attacks are ok to be almost instant when you see an enemy and he sees you, like with the original archvile. really fast player movement speed, all projectile player weapons. even pistols or machine guns should be projectile and not hitscan. obviously there should be a map editor, or the game should be able to be modded to have one. and mods of course.
I don’t think id would be able to make a good doom game like this though.
and also I don’t buy games on steam or steamworks games, so bethesda would have to change their direction there for me to even consider buying the game. hehe.
21/10/2011 at 10:44 xcession says:
I’d like a game that isn’t all shades of brown and monster closets.
21/10/2011 at 10:46 Chris D says:
I think I would like for the Doom to remain a fond memory and a landmark in gaming history rather than being dragged out and reheated once again. I would quite like for game developers to stop trying to recreate past glories and come up with something as creative and different in comparison to todays generation of games as Doom was to its.
21/10/2011 at 10:49 B0GiE-uk- says:
Sandbox, sandbox, sandbox 64 player mp on Mars!
21/10/2011 at 10:51 povu says:
Third person cover based shooter with regenerating health/ammo and 2 weapons. Also, moar BLOOM.
21/10/2011 at 10:52 RogB says:
massive amounts of weaker enemies. This was ‘doom’ for me.
however, Serious Sam seems to be the modern equivalent, so perhaps Doom4 is irrelevant?
21/10/2011 at 10:56 Dominic White says:
Serious Sam combat largely involves running backwards with your finger glued to the mouse button. Even the upcoming Serious Sam RPG has all the combat play out while the characters are running backwards.
Doom is far more up-close and aggressive, due to enemies in general being slower than the player, but able to do crippling damage in just a couple of its. Dodging around danger instead of trying to outpace it was order of the day.
21/10/2011 at 11:00 sneetch says:
I completely agree on the weaker enemies thing. Generally speaking having to shoot something 40 times before it dies isn’t a whole lot more “difficult” than shooting it once in the face, just more tedious. More than one FPS I’ve played has been ruined for me by overly tough enemies and the resulting constant need for ammo scavenging.
21/10/2011 at 10:53 MD says:
-Fast gameplay
-Interesting movement (strafe-jumping will do)
-Run well on low-end hardware at low settings
-Don’t fuck up the controls (e.g. mouse lag, etc.)
-Configurable (let us use the console to fiddle with whatever we want)
21/10/2011 at 10:56 Syra says:
Can I just say I just played doom3 again this week before playing rage and I think its still a great game, it only starts to drag on a bit towards the end but it makes shooting things REALLY FUN.
When I picked up rage I could feel the improvements immediately in the gameplay and its running on my system with all the settings maxed at 60fps with np at all and it is mind numbingly gorgeous to behold. I can only ask for more of the same from id tbqh.
As for bethesda hamstringing id, it sounds very unlikely and if it’s over buggy initial releases, well bethesda are the worst in the industry for that, so it seems like id fit right in. plus rage is making good in the all formats chart, it came out right in the sweet spot before the big big releases.
Madness I say.
21/10/2011 at 10:58 BoZo says:
They should just take DOOM 2 and rake it up to fucking eleven. Insane graphics, humongous maps, fast paced as hell, coop with a shitload of players, more different enemies and weapons than you can imagine, spells, inventory system that lets you carry 40 fucking guns, grenades, spells, powerups, armour, skills, experience points, a random map generator gametype similar to roguelike games, and GORE.
See this DOOM 2 mod for inspiration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwhOuyiDdU
Playing that you find a new enemy and weapon in every damn room you encounter…
So kind of like a combination of the AEoD DOOM2 mod and Borderlands.
21/10/2011 at 10:58 RegisteredUser says:
The trouble with most modern games is that they pretend to be more than games when they are really shooters.
DOOM was a shooter. You picked something up, suddenly the ceiling lowered and out came demons and stuff went down. You found secrets, you made the environment evolve with your exploration, you battled arenas, you ran gauntlets, you had monsters fighting amonst themselves..and nobody cared whether there was a freedom faction or some kind of proper plot or exposition etc.
THAT is what I would like to see again. A game where the main question isn’t “But can we make it do 4 player co-op?” but “How can we make this fun and awesome with the constant feel of adrenaline, while remaining simple and straight-forward” (i.e. Don’t go overboard and become Serious Sam or DNF by going too simple or too extreme in wanting too much).
Just make an enjoyable run-and-gun experience that has both challenges, exploration and rewards, without trapping you with silly stuff (such as gun limits or 9000 seperate cutscenes etc).
Oh, and one other thing. DOOM got a kind of RPG touch to it. It got gun progression right. It didn’t flush you with it. It leveld up enemies and guns gradually, and when you got the chaingun or shotgun the first time, you were ACTUALLY having a moment of revelation and awesomeness.
This is what so much stuff lacks. Pacing, leveling, exploration etc, in a well-timed fashion and a sense of fun and progress.
Or maybe I was just a bit younger then.
21/10/2011 at 12:58 lithander says:
Just that!
And please use some kick-ass engine that doesn’t comprimise what’s possible on a PC by trying to also work on 6 year old consoles on 60 fps.
I mean, megatextures would have been quite stunning in 2005 but then it took 6 years to fill them with content.
21/10/2011 at 10:59 PoulWrist says:
Like they promised, a return to what was Doom.
Rage has brilliantly fun gameplay. If they tossed in the large, sprawling levels of Doom of old, set them in nonsense locations that have no bearing on reality, so they can do whatever. Yes, please.
Remove health regeneration. The defibrilator was a great idea, but it’s watered out by the regeneration ability.
I really am in love with how Rage has all the oldschool type gameplay and enemies, but it infuriates me that they’re not used to better effect, that there are not more of them at the same time, that I have to talk to guys and drive around doing nothing. I want to SHOOT monsters, and I want them to absorb a full clip of ammo, I want to see blood and gore and impressive animations like Rage does so well. But I don’t want to blather on in a nonsensical story in a nonsense world.
Give me an exposition at the start and a pretty intromovie, that I can skip the next time I play, and then give me level after level after level of killing inventive enemies in impressive, crazy environments. Moonbases, evil strongholds in hell, all kinds of things.
21/10/2011 at 11:06 Groove says:
Good level design.
What evolution took from the FPS.
21/10/2011 at 12:24 Dominic White says:
Doom 2 had terrible, TERRIBLE level design. The sprawling city-wide keyhunts are about the least fun thing in the game. Most good fan-made Doom levels reduce the key-hunting and backtracking in favor of more coherent pacing.
Doom was great, but that isn’t to say the design can’t be (and has been) improved on.
21/10/2011 at 12:42 PoulWrist says:
Doom 2 had excellent level design. Getting to know the level and seeing things more than once was part of the experience. There aren’t many instances of running back and forth in the entire game. And hey, there’s plenty of monster closets to make sure that you don’t get bored.
21/10/2011 at 15:44 Dervish says:
Good thing there are only two of them, then.
21/10/2011 at 11:09 Curvespace says:
The ability to run into a cavernous room like a maniac, panic, run back out and then hear the sounds of the monsters all killing each other. Then re-open the door to find only one or two of them left.
21/10/2011 at 11:10 Hey What? says:
After carmack has pretty much turned his back on PC gaming, and the bomb that was rage, I’d rather doom just stays as a great old series with one not so great reboot. And after Duke Nukem forever, Diablo 3, Human Revolution, Fallout 3/New vegas, Serious Sam 3, And X-COM, I think its fairly obvious that when a developer starts on a reboot of a beloved, old series that they don’t care about what made the game so good, they care about taking advantage of those that will buy it because of the name, and those that will buy it because of how they’ve bastardized it.
21/10/2011 at 11:12 Rao Dao Zao says:
I want Doom 4 to follow the plotline of DOOM: Repercussions of Evil.
21/10/2011 at 14:00 Git says:
No, Rao Dao Zao. You are the demons.
21/10/2011 at 11:13 AbyssUK says:
Give us left4dead but with Doom, with key cards (could force the group to split up!). The AI director from valve is brilliant and changes each game every time you play, add that plus plenty of monsters Serious Sam style with some awesome boss battles (the spider demon is still the greatest of all bosses). Make us survive the monsters, before we start to dominate them….then throw an even bigger harder beast at us
21/10/2011 at 11:23 YeOldeSnake says:
I want it to be a racing game renamed to Vroom.
21/10/2011 at 11:30 Prime says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxA8yEBfODg
There you go! Surprisingly playable even now, I’ve gotta say.
21/10/2011 at 11:42 neolith says:
Doom1 gameplay, no boring light-out-rooms or repetetive shocker moments, no GFWL or similar shitty DRM, but coop and extraordinarily good moddability.
21/10/2011 at 11:43 porps says:
same as i want from every ID game – fast paced deathmatch madness. I can take or leave the corridor shoot.
21/10/2011 at 11:46 fenriz says:
Deus Ex choices.
And more than that the non-violent non-skillrelated choice. Which is pure puzzles, logics, items+items. Which is the most difficult choice to make.
21/10/2011 at 11:55 Turin Turambar says:
What i want of Doom 4?
-Take Rage’s great combat
-Make it hard, this time. And without fucking health regen. Rage in nightmare was eaaasy.
-with the variety of monsters of Doom.
-A strong focus in full 4 coop.
-Don’t bring down the pace with quests, talking npcs, etc, but make a deep upgrade system for your weapons and gadgets, so there is a feeling of progression.
21/10/2011 at 11:58 Alexandros says:
Here’s what I want from Doom 4:
1. Fast-paced gameplay and character movement.
2. Big, explorable maps.
3. Proper ballistics ie not “hitscan” damage.
4. Medikits.
5. Many weapons and many different enemies.
6. An engine that can support a large number of enemies on screen.
21/10/2011 at 12:11 JohnnyMaverik says:
Expansive and overlapping level design that presents you with area after area to explore and conquer, rather than corridor after corridor to walk down and shoot dudes in the face in.
21/10/2011 at 12:19 faelnor says:
Careful now. You’re asking the opinion of people who, for the most part, liked Quake 4 better than Doom 3.
21/10/2011 at 12:27 MadTinkerer says:
What I want is a First Person Shooter version of DoomRL.
DoomRL is a roguelike that borrows heavily from Doom, and adds some light RPG mechanics in the form of special skills you can choose as you level up (like in the Fallout games) and the ability to customize weapons with weapon mods. Basically, you’re The Doomguy no matter what, but you could be a dual-pistol wielding gunslinger, a shotgun wielding Terminator type who walks slowly and soaks up damage, a speedy berserker who specializes in chainsawing demons in half, a calm and thoughtful engineer who sets up ambushes, and many other possible character builds. I see it as Serious Sam with customizable traits borrowed from TF2… but with text instead of proper pixel graphics.
And that’s what I want for Doom 4.
21/10/2011 at 12:29 BobsLawnService says:
Doom 3 was awesome so I vote for a game that is like Doom 3, just a little brighter, a little more open and with tons more enemies attacking you at once.
21/10/2011 at 12:31 <]:^D says:
- Hellspawn on Earth
- Squad-based combat at certain intervals but not a Marine – just an everyman.
- RPG/Diablo style gun progression
- Left 4 Dead style Co-op.
- Complex dismemberment on the demons so you can see the effects of the various weapons.
- Random generation of demons, sort of like in Left 4 Dead with the zombies, so you’re not fighting identikits.
- No bladdy corridors and grey interiors.
- Crysis 2′s destroyed city environments are inspiring – could be used, imagine Hell seeping up through the city.
21/10/2011 at 12:39 Eddy9000 says:
I’d like a two weapon carry limit. I find the idea that a person could carry eight weapons at once completely unrealistic when I’m battling demons from hell in space.
21/10/2011 at 12:43 tinners says:
I say don’t touch the graphics, just up the resolution and leave it looking “retro”.
Introduce *some* new features (crouch, mouselook etc) but no stupid boring RPG-elements, and no *innovative* gameplay techniques.
Also, add some crazy storyline, perhaps involving any or all of time travel, cyberdemons, hitler, mars and the catholic church.
And make it episodic.
Yep I will pay id money for that. And even if it was rubbish it wouldn’t spoil the original in any way.
21/10/2011 at 12:56 edit says:
- exploration over linearity
- emergent behaviour from persistent AI enemies, over scripted behaviour and irrational spawns
- option to complete the game non-viole…
hang on, maybe I should just play something else…
21/10/2011 at 12:57 Ergates_Antius says:
The only worthwhile choice would be to remake Doom (and Doom2) in a modern engine. Release at a budget price. Doesn’t have to be bleeding edge – there are plenty of good, stable engines out there.
I don’t think there is any real point in making a *new* Doom game.
They’d have 2 choices for direction.
1) Retread old ground – in which case, why bother making a new game at all? Just remake the old games with a new engine.
2) Move off in a new direction – in which case why bother making it a Doom game? Create a new IP without restricting your design choices by trying to fit in with the existing Doom framework.
21/10/2011 at 13:08 Jackablade says:
I think the most important thing is to keep the design lean and simple.
It needs to be fast paced.
It needs to be able to throw large numbers of enemies at you at once.
The weapons need to feel meaty – there still aren’t many games that have that visceral satisfation that comes from the Doom 2 double barelled shotgun.
The levels need to flow and be paced well. It doesn’t matter if they’re completely arbitrary arangements of architecture as long as they’re fun to play with.
Actually, that there is probably all you really need – Doom 4 needs to be fun. It’s surprising how many game developers forget that little element.
21/10/2011 at 13:11 Hexidecimal says:
A level by level remake of Doom II on Tech 5. Then whatever else they want to do after that I don’t care.
21/10/2011 at 13:12 zeroskill says:
Some of the comments here just make me epically facepalm. Its amazing how many seem to have no idea what the word Doom used to stand for. Astonishing quite frankly.
“Personally I quite like the idea of re-releasing a blow-by-blow remake the original game in an astonishing modern engine, with the only gameplay concessions to modern design being mouse-look and so on.”
Im with you on this Jim. This exactly and a lot of gore, violence and blood. Demons head exploding into a pile of goo and eyeballs flying across the room. Im not usually one to promote strong violence, but that is was Doom was. Violent, loud and nasty. Censors have to be handed out by Germany and Australia and moms everywhere have to scream in terror only by the mentioning of the name Doom.
If you dont have the balls to do a proper Doom, ID, then, please, just dont do it at all.
21/10/2011 at 13:15 tomovo says:
No storyline. None. You just appear in a Mars base and go for it.
No inventory management. Pick up a gun, use it. Pick up ammo, pick up med kits, that’s it. If there’s an inventory screen, I’m not interested.
Dozens of monsters appear all at once through a teleport, you mow them down with a machine gun and move to the next room.
Lots and lots of blood. Corpses don’t disappear instantly.
Three barrel shotgun.
An easy to use level editor (ala Quake3) and modding tools that only require Visual Studio Express.
21/10/2011 at 13:20 bildo says:
I want a classic corridor shooter. Get rid of the exposition, dialog and most modern gaming conventions. Give us graphics that will melt out faces off, monsters that are as demonic as possible and music that we can rock out too while blowing things up. Doom 4 should be nothing more than what the original was aside from an amazing sound track and superior graphics.
Everybody gets mad when this is suggested. However, when Croteam talk Serious Sam, most people seem appeased. Why? Are the concepts of Doom and Serious Sam that much different? They are both run and gun, shoot first think later titles while the latter doesn’t have an ounce of interesting music to listen to while playing. Sure, Serious Sam has this non linear type of open area map, but so did Doom (think Doom 2 city levels).
TL;DR Give us the classic concept of Doom, high fidelity graphics and a great hard rock sound track; Serious Sam and Doom are nearly the same style of game so don’t be upset if this were to ever happen.
21/10/2011 at 15:50 Dervish says:
I’ve only played The First Encounter, but I certainly wouldn’t call the maps “nonlinear” just because the individual arenas are huge. I enjoyed the game, but your progress is heavily constrained, especially since you get temporarily locked inside every other room.
22/10/2011 at 03:05 bildo says:
Non linear in the sense that there is no set path to the goal. There are plenty of maps where you have multiple paths to a door you go through in order to move forward with the game.
21/10/2011 at 13:24 Iskariot says:
I’d like a good AI for once.
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Doom 3 did look good, but gameplay wise it had nothing at all to offer:
I don’t want the boring ambush style with predictable enemy spawns, spawning predictably behind you, and predictable doors opening with predictable enemies standing behind it, dying predictably etc. etc. Doom3 was so booooooooooring in that way.
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I’d like to see a real open sprawling city world this time.
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a good and surprising story with some nice sub plots would be fine.
Not the same ‘all monsters are bad and want to steal your soul and rule the world and you are the only one that can safe humanity’ kind of shit
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I have a lot of ideas, but I am sure ID is the wrong company to ask to implement them.
I put all my money on a very predictable Doom 4.
But I am sure the engine will be newer and better and the best engine ever etc etc.
21/10/2011 at 13:25 mbp says:
You screen shot gave me a massive bout of nostalgia for the sound effects of the original Doom. To my mind the short but perfectly judged sound samples added greatly to the atmosphere of the game. I can still recall one level where you spawned inside a closed door and all you could hear was the growling of many imps outside. Terrifying.
Would it be possible or pointless to implement the same sound effects in a modern game?
21/10/2011 at 13:29 doublethink says:
If Carmack comes through on his promise to Open Source IDTech4 you are going to see some very interesting things in the indie community.
A good portion of the original Doom’s levels were done as a mod already for doom3:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/classic-doom-3
21/10/2011 at 13:44 Gary W says:
More secrets than Doom & Doom II combined. And not the “press space near the wall” variety. The sort of fiendish stuff that you only find after your 35th playthrough of a level.
21/10/2011 at 13:56 Git says:
I don’t think there’s much more that iD can do with Doom. I would rather they made Quake V instead, and go back to the roots of the original. I’d rather battle Lovecraftian trans-dimensional monstrosities than just ‘DUUR EVUL ALIENS!!!’ The logo for it could be a Quake style Q with a big V in the middle.
Actually, fuck all that. I want another Commander Keen.
21/10/2011 at 14:00 AgamemnonV2 says:
You know what the problem to nostalgia is? All it does is reminds us of a time when we were more easily amused and enjoyed what we considered the best standard of our time. An FPS that mirrors exactly what Doom 95 was would be horrible and anyone that can get over their worthless nostalgia would see that. A-list shooters these days, at the least, offer some degree of realism and, at least, a shred of a story.
“But that’s linear thinking and we don’t need that for a game to be great!” No, we don’t. But this isn’t some indie title made by someone in their basement. Well, not anymore it’s not. The trouble with Doom 3 wasn’t that “they tried to do something different;” the trouble is that they tried to do something different and failed horrendously at it. Playing as Ray Charles is frustratingly boring and giving the axe to details that would’ve added to the environment (enemy bodies, blood n’ gut decals, etc.) pretty much made it into a game where you used a flashlight to get around with periodic shooting.
Doom needs some of its original elements (like that 80s flavor where gore everywhere was pretty much an expected thing) and then it can combine it with some modern elements (two or three-weapon system, squad combat, ‘here comes the cavalry’ moments, etc.). Bring back the traps and environmental hazards. And then top it off with something that has a twist from the old game but transposed into a new idea (having a ‘berserk’ meter and as it raises you can rip off the arms of your enemies and use them as a weapon or something).
Of course that’s not going to happen. It’ll just be some meager shooter with no real plot that has you shining your flashlight around while 80% of the production is focused on multiplayer.
And if you’re really vehement about thinking the nostalgia angle would actually do anything but have id lose money on the project, then here you go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woBAUk5hMD8
21/10/2011 at 14:16 Mman says:
“two or three-weapon system”
I almost thought you were serious up until this.
21/10/2011 at 14:17 Prime says:
You know what they did wrong in that Doom 3 engine version of Doom 1′s gameplay? Left the character’s movement speed at Doom 3 levels. He needs to be about three times faster for it to work – you can see that most painfully when he tries to get the armour power-up in the secret area, burning himself each time crossing over half the acid pit. Boost that and you’ve got yourself a conversion. :)
21/10/2011 at 14:46 Dominic White says:
“You know what the problem to nostalgia is? All it does is reminds us of a time when we were more easily amused and enjoyed what we considered the best standard of our time. An FPS that mirrors exactly what Doom 95 was would be horrible and anyone that can get over their worthless nostalgia would see that.”
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Also, OBJECTION!
And this is why:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZHKgAl6oMt4#t=644s
It’s faster, move violent and louder than any FPS to be released in the past ten years. It also has a great many enemy types packed into a single 5-minute level, and infinitely more variety than ‘Man With Hitscan Gun’, which makes up 90% of enemies today. Doom hasn’t just aged well – it makes a lot of todays shooters look dull.
22/10/2011 at 22:18 AgamemnonV2 says:
“I almost thought you were serious up until this.”
Yes, because in a game where weapons are overburdened on a character to simply just collect ammo for all weapons and then easily switch over to another when you’re out of ammo on one of them is simply the pinnacle to a challenging mechanic. I know it’s hipster to boo modern shooters that do this but I’m glad I no longer have to streak the line of numbers on my keyboard every time I needed a weapon that one enemy was particularly weak to.
“It’s faster, move violent and louder than any FPS to be released in the past ten years. It also has a great many enemy types packed into a single 5-minute level, and infinitely more variety than ‘Man With Hitscan Gun’, which makes up 90% of enemies today. Doom hasn’t just aged well – it makes a lot of todays shooters look dull.”
So you want a five minute game you can play while you’re on Speed? No thanks. Best of luck to you and your ADD.
22/10/2011 at 22:39 Dominic White says:
Well, now you’re just blatantly trolling. And incoherently, too.
21/10/2011 at 14:04 diebroken says:
For the old id Software to reunite to make it, so John Carmack, John Romero, Adrian Carmack, Tom Hall, …
21/10/2011 at 14:25 Necroscope says:
My number 1 want for Doom 4 is to bring back the spider mastermind!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fast brutal addictive gameplay, guns from 1 to 0 on my keyboard, thrash metal soundtrack like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOYHtrtSPo&feature=related ,shit scary enemies, tons of enemies on screen, dark areas only to link together fuck off huge areas full of demons, MASSIVE fun.
21/10/2011 at 14:25 Shooop says:
Some open exploration inter-cut with the corridors. It is Doom, and the claustrophobia is essential to most of its level design. But some optional free roaming with rewards for doing so would be a nice way to change up the pace and keep modern players interested. Seeing parts of a colonized Mars complete with plant life and lived-in cities being turned into hell under your feet would be excellent.
Going to Earth would be even more ridiculously awesome.
No more ridiculous monster spawns. The Sideshow Bob and the rakes thing do not apply to monster spawns – it does not become surprising or fun again after the first 3-4 times no matter what. We’re interacting with it, not just watching.
Intelligent use of shadows. Yes they create atmosphere and tension, but DO NOT use them in rooms full of monsters. Having “things” making sounds in the dark can be pants-shittingly terrifying because of the power of suggestion. But gun battles in the dark are retarded.
Bring back some of the old-school feeling of power by making the basic enemies weaker and making them more numerous.
Keep the sound logs. Being able to listen to the story while navigating the game instead of being trapped in cutscenes was brilliant.
Creative and darkly humorous NPC deaths.
Blood. Enemies didn’t flash and disappear, they exploded into blood pudding. And we loved it. The Brutal Doom mod proves this can easily be applied with location-based damage even on a engine made in 1993. Solider of Fortune 1 and 2 went by without everyone turning into serial killers, so what excuse could there be for not bringing back the old ultraviolence iD?
21/10/2011 at 14:38 Tyrone Slothrop. says:
For a far better developer to make the game, one with experience in horror-action titles like the makers of the infinitely-better-than-anything-Id-has-done-since-… well Doom was pretty revolutionar- oh wait, Ultima Underworld was far more technically amazing, being able to look up and down, have objects, diagonal walls, floor and ground textures and physics before Doom? Okay so the revolutionary-for-shooters Doom. Anyway, the developers of the excellent and fun Dead Space 2 or Valve using a great engine that doesn’t use horribly inefficient and blurry megatextures.
I would like it for the gameplay to be diverse… have massive up to 200 against one, L4D-esque moments where you must tear down dozens upon dozens of demons with rockets in cavernous bio-domes, but also parts which are emergent stealth-or-action moments where you’re fighting against corrupt UAC soldiers and mercenaries, slower paced moments which show monstrosity can especially human… but especially 200 FUCKING DEMONS on screen at once with destructible environments with parts can electrocute, detonate, catch-fire or cause a limited vacuum.
Also in both parts of the game there should be dynamic civilians, semi-scripted NPCs which interplay with both the soldiers and demon-spawn, getting possessed, being innocent bystanders forcing you to do horrible things due to the blast-radius of your weapons, acting as distractions, possible allies, adding atmosphere in their insanity or direct aid.
The levels must be non-linear, complex and there should actually be a good story because this isn’t 1993. Obviously outside of the larger demon-invasion there should be a personal story, something where you have a stake in losing your humanity because you once had it.
Importantly; tonnes of weapons of weapons. Moddable to the extreme (like Call of Pripyat meets Deus Ex: Human Revolution) and with sounds and looks as satisfying as post-coital cannabis.
Finally; Hell, Hellspawn and Hellish features must be surrealistic, we’re not just talking grand Heironymous Bosch artworks, how about Dali experiencing a nervous breakdown? No generic fire and brimstone bullshit, cool blues, purples, greens, blacks, weird under-water like alien features which are as mesmerising as they are deadly parts of the environment.
At the end the main character goes crazy from everything he’s seen and done and imagines he’s in a Giorgio De Chirco landscape… the player walks around for a bit and as soon as they realise there’s nothing to do, they press escape and there’s a line of text you’re in a UAC mental institution set up for the survivors of this.
TL;DR: A mind fuck with up to 200 zombies on screen, action-or-stealth elements for diversity against UAC soldiers, tonnes of moddable weapons, non-linear, surrealistic environments and dynamic NPC interplay.
21/10/2011 at 16:17 Dervish says:
When did this sort of looking-down-the-nose at Doom in favor of Ultima Underworld become popular? I’ve seen it quite a lot recently.
Yes, Ultima Underworld was technically very impressive and a great game to boot. This does not diminish Doom’s technical accomplishments (of which there were many) in the slightest. This kind of sneering “Doom was no big deal” attitude is completely unwarranted and I’m frankly confused as to where it’s been coming from, other than historical or technical ignorance.
24/10/2011 at 10:56 scatterbrainless says:
I would play the s**t out of that
21/10/2011 at 15:01 aircool says:
The most taxing thing I want my brain to put up with when playing a Doom game is finding one of three coloured keycards.
What made the orginal doom so great was the amount of bad guys you had to take on at one time. Anyone remember that room where you opened the door and were confronted by about a zillion Imps (or pac men if you had the ‘mod’).
I like games with a lot of depth, but from time to time it’s nice to have a game that’s just shooting followed by more shooting without having to listen to audiologs and NPC’s etc…
21/10/2011 at 15:42 Tom Walker says:
FAST gameplay. That’s what was so great about the first two. I don’t want the best tactic to be peering around corners wondering whether it’s safe. I want a game where you have to run around at Olympic sprinter speeds and don’t stop firing for five minutes at a time.
Make more DOOM.
21/10/2011 at 15:42 ssbowers says:
Let Valve make it.
21/10/2011 at 17:10 Gary W says:
Give Petersen/McGee/Romero the level design duties, with Treasure or Cave programming the graphics engine and effects. Meanwhile, EA/Bethesda does all the PR & marketing.
Carmack can gather wool racing his Ferraris and building spaceships.
Oh, did I mention secrets?
21/10/2011 at 16:42 Potunka says:
I would turn Doom 4 into Mass Effect 4 and join the (modern) wave of 4-player co-op. Along with adding elements of weapon/item/loadout unlocks and perhaps some stat tweaking to add a metagame to some sort of persistent co-op.
Doom too simple.
Stupid to not include co-op in 3.
21/10/2011 at 16:45 shoptroll says:
No regenerating health for starters. Or waist high walls / cover systems.
21/10/2011 at 16:46 lijenstina says:
5 Flashlights on the Flashlight gun
21/10/2011 at 17:05 chargen says:
Hopefully it will have Cover System, Health Regen, 2 Weapon Limits, Iron Sights, Epic Romances, Open World, New Paradigm, Synergy Building, Welcoming Difficulty, Evolving the Genre, Maturing the Medium, and Not Stuck in the Past Things Have Changed. Then it will be Just Like Everything Else. And I will be So Happy.
24/10/2011 at 03:43 oldfart says:
You sir, won the thread.
21/10/2011 at 17:12 akiro says:
I want ID to realize they are not good with creativity. They need to get a better vision.
Ever since the crushing disappointment of Quake (for me), I feel their games are nothing more than brown-hued adventures in generic apocalypticVille. Remember Quake’s original story? Norse gods fighting with hammers! That was going to be great. Instead we got a generic doom with a crappy, barely referenced villain.
Doom was original. It did well because it was alone in the industry, but also because it told a story. Its levels had elements of rust & fire (that apocalyptic crap), but it also had brightly lit labs, warehouses, open skies with mountains. Both were used appropriately to get the player into the story.
Quake & Doom 4 were nothing more than tech-demos to me … a complete letdown in terms of story. “lets imagine a future with no lights”. I can’t remember more than 2 scenes in Doom 4. On the other hand, I know every inch of Doom 1. Sure, I played it a thousand times, but I can also immediately remember the feeling-state, the music, the lighting and the monsters. Doom was like Bioshock to me – an experience unique and creative. I didn’t even bother picking up Rage – generic.
Id needs to get a story worthy of their engine.
21/10/2011 at 18:22 rocketman71 says:
More Doom 2, less Doom 3.
But after seeing Rage, I seriously doubt id’s capacity.
21/10/2011 at 18:29 Yosharian says:
It says volumes about the state of the industry that a heavyweight like id literally does not know what they are doing.
What I want from Doom 4: a good game. They’re the fucking games developers; they need to pull their heads out of their asses and make a good game.
Whether it’s old-school, innovative, simple or complex, just make it fucking good.
21/10/2011 at 19:01 Rane2k says:
Oh, another thing I would want from DooM IIII
A story that you can sum up in about 3 lines.
DooM II´s story basically was:
“Demons from Hell come to earth.
Space Marine guy fights them for 30 levels.”
That´s all I need.
Gameplaywise pretty much the same.
DooM II starts with you looking at (and killing) the first 2 enemies, and it ends right when the final boss explodes.
Basically a “no fat” shooter, consisting only of fighting monster and navigating the levels, but these two bits must be VERY good. :-)
(Yes, they are allowed to skip some of the frustrating key searching)
21/10/2011 at 19:53 Baytor says:
ENDLESS CARNAGE.
23/10/2011 at 05:22 Jackablade says:
Profound carnage, even.
21/10/2011 at 20:00 n3burgener says:
What I’d really like with Doom 4 is to be able to play it on my aging laptop.
21/10/2011 at 21:21 Sinkytown says:
Spacious level design, an unending horde of hostile and cruelly positioned enemies, guns with perfect doomshotgun-esque friction that never need to be reloaded, instrumental thrash soundtrack provided by Slayer and a constant, driving sense of crunch and momentum. Hell-on-mars setting played to a juvenile and awesome extreme.
21/10/2011 at 22:06 Hoaxfish says:
Has anyone made a Metroidvania in the style of an FPS?
22/10/2011 at 10:22 Rane2k says:
I can´t think of one at the moment, but a game like Heretic or Hexen with it´s hub-styled level structure would work I guess. Just have the player unlock new and interesting powers that allow him access to other parts of the map.
Come to think of it, Crysis would be a good candidate for something like this, hadn´t they decided to go linear corridor shooter instead.
… great, now I want a game like that and can´t have it. :-)
22/10/2011 at 23:29 Nick says:
Uh.. Metroid Prime series? =)
23/10/2011 at 11:15 Rane2k says:
Oops. :-)
(tough it´s not on PC)
23/10/2011 at 05:40 alundra says:
Kotaku reports it’s been put on hold by zenimax media.
23/10/2011 at 22:55 Hatsworth says:
Fast past skill based deathmatch multiplayer.
24/10/2011 at 10:52 scatterbrainless says:
Use the Doom 4 name, guaranteeing that you will sell a gazillion copies, then secretly develop a smart, innovative first person simulation, set in a giant open world, with amazing writing, and voice-acting, solid shooter mechanics, a tense stealth system, plenty of inventory management and crafting, a focus upon emergent gameplay, a non-binary morality system that integrates gameplay and choice, and a mise en scene approaching Stalker-like immersion. Or something like.
25/10/2011 at 09:26 BoZo says:
They should borrow some mindfuckery from the Prey game. Walking on walls, shrinking, etc.
25/10/2011 at 10:43 DestructibleEnvironments says:
Have anyone mentioned that Painkiller is the real Doom 3 yet?
18/01/2013 at 11:33 realisticdoom4craver says:
I’d like to see more realism in Doom4 in terms of carrying capacity and fighting. Despite that we need much ammo to fight the demons, I don’t want the game character to be able to carry a gazillion of bullets for the machinegun,pistol and chaingun,nor i want to see the game character pack up to 50 grenades boatloads of plasma,and ten-fucking-tons of shotgun shells. Why? Because it makes the gameplay TOO unrealistic,which in turn ruins the game a little,IMHO. It would be much more interesting,if you could carry only 2-3 guns + a few grenades,and there would be a clip reloading system like in SWAT 4,where you can have only a few clips for each gun. It would make the game even MORE realistic in terms of the fighting system. Well,also the game would get harder. But!! With all that,to keep the game still fun, playable,and not TOO hard,the developers could add some innovations into the fighting system:
1. – Greater damage/fatal strike(to, at least, the regular enemies), when hitting an enemy’s head,groin,or some other sensitive and vital spot,with those spots being not too hard to hit.
2 – Critical shots which make increased damage.
3 – Reduce the elements of horror a bit,and make those horror moments more tasty.
4 – Introduce a more interesting,more fun way of fighting the enemies hand-to-hand/melee. Having only fists to strike with is too limiting. Having more options is more fun. That’s why i think that,the developers could introduce the ability to make some kicks,elbow tackles,and maybe even some blocks and throws. It does not have to be the advanced stuff. After all – It’s DOOM,not Mirror’s Edge. And by the way,the ability to cripple enemies would be welcome in DOOM 4 too,just like in the BRUTAL DOOM. But not so much,of course. It’s not a BRUTAL DOOM copy.
5 – If someone still wants to keep the ability to carry 10+ guns,then a quick-access backpack could be introduced,which let’s you quickly access your other guns.
That’s what i think. Some of you might totally disagree with me,but I’m sure,that including at least some of my suggestions would already make the game cooler. :)
18/01/2013 at 11:34 realisticdoom4craver says:
Oh,and yes… The Doomguy should have some sort of personality. That would be cool too.