Creatures, Pets: Torchlight 2

By Adam Smith on April 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am.

Is that a skeleton that has been killed, a skeleton that doesn't need to be killed or a skeleton that's waiting to spring to life and then be killed?

The year they call 2012 will be full of dungeon crawling and loot hauling. Thousands of people probably descended on the Path of Exile for the first time this weekend and there’s the not inconsequential matter of Diablo III’s mid-May arrival. But what of Torchlight II? I feel like it hasn’t been clamouring for my attention as loudly as perhaps it should and a short video showing animated animals is hardly the most clamorous display. Still, that is one cute bulldog.

Ominous music from former Diablo composer Matt Uelmen. Are these the sounds that play in his head when he contemplates his own beloved family pets? Worrying.

There’s no firm release date yet

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  1. CaspianRoach says:

    Is it wrong that I’m more excited for this than Diablo 3?

    • fionny says:

      I think its fair enough, ActiBlizz fail to inspire / dazzle me as a company.

    • RockandGrohl says:

      Absolutely not – Torchlight 1, despite it’s repetitiveness, was an immensely fun game. The whole bigger and better approach combined with Co-op makes it a sure-fire purchase from me!

    • rocketman71 says:

      It’s totally right. And understandable.

      You are not alone.

    • Velvetmeds says:

      Yes, it’s completely wrong. Even D3’s splash screen is more exciting than Torchlight 1/2

    • sneetch says:

      I think you’re completely right to be anticipating this more. I am, the fact that that ferret has goggles is enough for me! (Goggles!)

      • iniudan says:

        Yup most likely going for a ferret also, now if they gave goggle to the cat and hawk, would make my decision much more difficult. =p

        • sneetch says:

          Goggles on a cat? If any animal was intended to wear a monocle it’s the cat! :)

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            liquidsoap89 says:

            I was just thinking how wonderful it would be to have a panther with a big bushy moustache and monocle when I watched that video.

      • esoltys says:

        The ferret with goggles is available as an official mod in Torchlight 1 too.

    • Mattressi says:

      I’m really excited for this and I’m not even considering purchasing D3. Maybe you’re wrong, but clearly you’re not alone :)

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        RedViv says:

        It’s a matter of taste. Why should preferring either of those be right or wrong?
        I’ll just play both and laugh at the silly people who think that preferring a different style of game makes them superior.

        • enobayram says:

          Heretic!!!

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          drewski says:

          No being reasonable on the internet!

        • reggiep says:

          People with jobs and families will not have time to play both games. It’s just a reality of adulthood and responsibility.

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            RedViv says:

            Yes. But does this make the choice of either game the right or wrong one?

          • retropixl says:

            you’re implying getting married and having a high cost job where you trade your time for an hourly wage rather than invest it is the only way to get into “adulthood” OPINION …AWAY!

          • Miltrivd says:

            I wouldn’t call them “right” or “wrong”, but “preferable”. Considering Blizzard/Activision doesn’t really put the consumer first I would love for more people to not buy D3 and go for other games or the competition. Which is why I’ll do, besides D3 doesn’t look that appealing and I’ve been waiting for T2 since July 2011 when rumors said release date was due.

            Again, is just an opinion, but it has a reason behind it.

        • D3xter says:

          Sure is a matter of taste, on the one hand you can vote for liking overpriced games with always-online DRM, no actual Singleplayer, no LAN-mode, Pay2Win microtransaction via gambling/auction house system from the get-go and modding being a banable offense, on the other hand you can vote for liking moderately priced games without DRM and sporting actual Singleplayer, also a LAN mode no microtransaction system and modding tools from the get-go.

          Decision sure looks hard for me…

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      drewski says:

      Nope. Diablo 3 would have to offer 5 times the entertainment for me to be interested, which I find…unlikely.

    • neolith says:

      While having not much interest in D3 due to choices made in gamedesign by blizzard I must say I cannot wait to get my hands on Torchlight2.

    • Lemming says:

      Not at all. What’s a Diablo 3?

    • f1x says:

      Its not wrong, of course not,
      but really is it the new cool thing in town to be hating on Blizzard?
      I mean we are talking about gameplay here I suppose, lets put Warcraft 2 & 3, Stacraft 1 & 2, Diablo 1 & 2 and WoW (yes laugh but gameplay wise, there is no “better” MMO)
      with that pedigree I really trust that Diablo 3 will be so damn fine, I cant see why someone will assume that diablo 3 will be a failure, I mean you can hate on the company (its understandable to hate activision) or join the controversy about always online (also understandable) but sorry thats not gonna make it “an awful game” like many people are suggesting

      of course myself I will try (if money and time allows) to play both, and also the rest of dungeon crawlers that might come out this year (path of exile, grim dawn)

      • flagoon says:

        He is saying the truth! Give him a beer. I’m still more interested in D3 than Torchlight 2. First game wasn’t bad, but there was some things that I didn’t like. D3 is not perfect (I’ll miss talent trees) but it’s still my Hack and Slash of 2012.

      • Mattressi says:

        Maybe others are talking about the gameplay of D3 – I haven’t even tried it. My issue is their draconian always-on DRM. They can try and pretend that a game where 8 people play on a server is an MMO requiring a constant internet connection, while simultaneously not supporting LAN; but I’m not buying it (I mean that both as a turn of phrase and literally). And I’m not sure it’s a new thing to be hating on Blizzard – since they announced what I just said, there’s been a pretty negative reaction from some.

        Torchlight 2 doesn’t require a constant internet connection and supports LAN, so it’s got my money, given that I know the first one was great fun even without co-op. Plus the bulldog looks awesome :D

        • f1x says:

          I would prefer D3 to be supporting LAN and having an offline mode, but I also understand that they want to try something new with the real money auction house thing, even tho its a poor excuse because:
          They could have just added a mode where you created an offline char that you could only use to play offline,
          But I suppose then people would find some argument to complain aswell, I mean at some point I’m not sure if people is against the business model or simply afraid of changes,
          lets see how it develops, back in the days the birth of Battle.net also was not so well recieved, but still it managed to be kind of the father of actual “online gaming”/matchmaking/competitive play

          Both games are different, and some people will love one more than the other, love both, or hate both equally, but assuming one will be crap because “LOLblizzard sold to the man” is the same as if I said Torchlight will be crap because “LOLNewbiedeveloper not big company not enough resources”

        • Winless says:

          The reason they actually gave for no offline/LAN is that hosting a virtual server client-side (as is required to make those modes work) opens the floodgates for the hacking and duping that plagued D2, and would be a severe risk to the virtual economy now supported by the AH.

          As a much more isolated experience, Torchlight can have all the hackers it wants.

      • RavenGlenn says:

        See…out of all the games you listed f1x, the only ones I found at all entertaining were Warcraft 3 and WoW. Diablo2 is fun for maybe the first act and then I tire of it. It’s too repetitive and a boring grinding process. The starcraft series just feels like I’m playing a cruddy version of Command & Conquer.

        So for me, Torchlight 2 is a heck of a lot more interesting than Diablo 3.

        And I certainly don’t hate Blizzard, but everything they have done on WoW in the past 4-5 years has been moving in the wrong direction and their subscription numbers are starting to show it. And starcraft 2 was basically the exact same game as one with slightly better graphics. I don’t doubt that Diablo 3 will be pretty much the same in that regard. Even their own PR guy came out telling folks not to expect too much.

        • f1x says:

          I’m risk of looking like a Blizzard fanboy now, but I disagree
          I agree tho that this is all about opinions, and I totally respect people enjoying one game and not the other and so on, of course, thats the magic of videogames (or should be… diversity)
          yes blizzard is not known this last years for its innovation
          but Diablo1 was definitely setting the standards for dungeon crawlers, and diablo 2 was a huge leap, both games I played through them many times and with almost all of the classes, plus were supported with very complete and extense expansions, I mean I dont think there is been that much replayability in any other modern or semi-modern dungeon crawler
          If they follow the same path with Diablo3 I will be very pleased, actually what their PR probably means is that people shouldnt expect a revolution with Diablo3, because its gonna be basically the same as Diablo 2 with better graphics and some new ideas, that isnt necesarily something bad unless it comes every year (like a COD..)
          warcraft speaks for itself, and starcraft was aswell genere defining, specially when it came to matchmaking, Starcraft 2 I will agree it didnt bring much into the table, then if Diablo 3 goes more in the vein of Starcraft 2 I might be dissapointed
          About WOW I have mixed feelings, I’ve played from wow vanilla until pretty much now, and I think the problem is more about fatigue, I mean its clear that at this very moment (besides Cataclysm being not so inspired as an expansion) that they could not keep doing the same as in vanilla and TBC and that the game is aging, both around graphics and mechanics, it has to die, no matter what they do, it will and it has
          Somehow it looks like I’ve bring the discussion to where I didnt want to, I’m not a blizzard fanboy, I just love videogames and I cant seem to understand why many people is turning diablo3 down before they even get to play it (the always online cant be the only reason really), as said I pretend to play them all
          even tho I was not too sold with the first Torchlight (I enjoyed Titan Quest much more tbh, and both are anyway diablo clones)

        • Psychopomp says:

          “I don’t doubt that Diablo 3 will be pretty much the same in that regard.”

          Ironically, Diablo 3 is the only game since Diablo 2 that is actually trying to do something new with the genre, rather than trying to “me too+gimmick” Diablo 2.

      • Lemming says:

        It’s not a ‘cool new thing’ any more than it was a ‘cool new thing’ to hate the Nazis in 1939.

        Not that I’m likening the Nazis to Blizzard, but my point it just because people are getting vocal about something they don’t like doesn’t mean they are bandwagon jumping. Give people credit that sometimes, they make informed choices that gain some popularity.

        Blizzard have made a rod for their back with their current business model and while some don’t care about that, others are looking for alternatives. I’m one of these.

        If there was an obvious way I could sell my Battle.net account with my WoW characters and Starcraft 2, I would have months ago.

        • f1x says:

          What changed so much about their business model really?

          That they sell merchandise?
          They are still taking their time with the games, making quality products, their biggest problem (in which I agree with you Starcraft 2 and Cataclysm suffered from it) is that they lost a good bunch of their most talented designers, for content and art, bringing some uninspired stuff along with excellent stuff in their latest efforts, but so far what I’ve seen from Diablo 3 dosnt look uninspired, I will need a chance to play tho before I can really say

      • D3xter says:

        Not sure about you, but being part of Activision alone makes it an “awful game” for me since I’m boycotting them completely for the last 3-4 years and I wouldn’t even consider buying a game made by them, Always-On DRM, no Mods and Pay2Win auction house is just icing on the cake.
        A game I can’t buy or play by principle alone because I can’t morally justify giving money to the company that made it kind of seems “awful” to me, even if the gameplay is the best in the world.

        • f1x says:

          As much as it has its problems, it not always-on DRM, its simply a game made to be played fully online, beacuse of the real-money AH to avoid hacks

          Once again, pretty ironic, people complained for years, maybe even for a whole decade about how so much hacking ruined Diablo 2, I mean it was the biggest complain about the game, now they come with a way to completly avoid hacking, gold selling and probably (if the system works properly) to make some money with the game (its players who sell their items) and everybody claims its a diabolic thing (no pun intenteded), I say lets wait and see how it performs when it goes live
          I gotta remind that Blizzard so far as much as its merged with Activision, even if its using a microtransaction system, never sold crap DLC and so far never sold anything that made your char stronger than the rest (thinking about wow)

          • icedmetal57 says:

            True, hacking may have been a problem, but what does that have to do with those who only play the game offline solo or co-op via LAN?

    • MondSemmel says:

      Well, Torchlight 1 was a horrible, repetitive game, while Diablo 1-2 were spectacular. What makes you think things will be different with Torchlight 2 and Diablo 3? (I used to think these Torchlight fan comments were valid. Then I played Torchlight.)

      • marvelza says:

        you are obviously entitled to your opinion etc etc blah blah but calling a game (any game) repetitive when comparing it to diablo just isnt a good argument

        any diablo (or torchlight) fanboy would admit to it being repetitive. torchlight just embraces the base attributes of diablo…and even builds on them (for the better)

      • Reapy says:

        Yeah, honestly I found them both fun and repetitive. I played d2 online with some friends when it was released, about 1/4 of the way through nightmare I was like, wow I’m losing all my good gear graphics for the starter stuff and playing the same thing all over again, and quit. I realize now there is a whole power leveling technique or whatever to it that I didn’t know at the time, I guess that could have been fun. Meh, never even went back for the expansion.

        Torchlight was great cause it was cheap, just as high quality, and I could play it with 1 hand while I held a new baby in the other. I moded it right off though to make it easier (longer shout times, bigger item stacks etc). When I finished the regular part of the game I got again about 1 hour into the catacombs thing or whatever at the end and quit also.

        I think d3 looks like it will have some mechanics that will be more interesting to repeat with the boss fights, making the thing less of a DPS race the action clickers are… I hope anyway.

        Either way will most likely get both….not too interested in grim dawn or path of exile though, not really down with the look of them, and not sure if there is some new twist on the gameplay there or not.

    • marvelza says:

      not at all! (the D3 beta was so meh..)

    • derbefrier says:

      your horribly wrong but its okay you’ll all be slaying the minions of hell soon enough

    • Jason Moyer says:

      I’m looking forward to this and Grim Dawn way more than Diablo 3, largely because I actually enjoyed Torchlight and Titan Quest and didn’t care much for the Diablo games.

    • cassus says:

      I’m in the same boat. I could not care less about what blizzard does next. Their past few years of game development have left me yawning. WoW went down the drain, SC2 was just a continuation of a sport, not an actual game in my opinion, at least not one that offered ANYTHING new, and that, to me, just oozes of a company that’s lost all creativity. Same with Diablo III.. Just looks like they reskinned 2 with a happier colour scheme and slapped a new number on it. And don’t even get me started on pandaria…

      Blizzard is what Blizzard is.. A studio that still has a good-ish reputation, and that ship a TON of units. As exciting as whatever current day equivalent of Britney Spears is crapping out.

  2. andytizer says:

    I still feel like Torchlight II is missing a big opportunity by not releasing before Diablo III. Although there are some big differences between them, including modding and offline play, it’s clear that Diablo III is going to overshadow any other Diablo-like game for the near future.

    • Ludomation says:

      Felt exactly the same way. The gameplay is there – but I found no motivation to play through other than to accumulate more junk. The world didn’t entice me at all, nor did the overly simplistic WoW-eque graphics. I must say I am looking forward to T2 though, as it seems they have really lifted the bar in that department this time round.

      [Bah. This was meant to be a reply to Skeletor68]

    • Vorphalack says:

      I think it would be a mistake if Runic thought they had a chance of competing with D3 in sales, and tried to rush out a parralell or earlier release. Bottom line is, they don’t have anything like the fan base of Blizzard, or the marketing power to go head to head. Better for Runic if they just focus on doing there own thing and get it as polished as possable. TL2 is a sale for me, I wont be giving 2 shits about the relative sales figures.

    • MadTinkerer says:

      Torchlight II has one other HUGE advantage over Diablo III: Online co-op that’s also moddable.

      In other words, the same huge advantage that Minecraft and Terraria have over all remotely comparable games.

      Diablo III is just another MMO that “nickel & dime”s you with microtransactions and you’re 100% reliant on the publisher for content. On the other hand, Torchlight II, like Minecraft and Terraria, is basically a DIY MMO kit for you and your friends.

      • Moraven says:

        2 different games really. I liked the ability to mod in Dungeon Siege 1, was a lot of fun. Never tried any mod maps in Titan Quest. Never wanted it in Diablo 2 nor needed it.

        And nothing is being micro transaction to death. We will get the expected expansion (or 2). I will gladly pay for the Blizzard made experience.

    • dE says:

      They’ve got that weird fanbase in their forums, that hyper aggressively shuts down any comment about the release date and tell the Developers it’s a financially sound decision to clash heads with Diablo 3.

      • Miltrivd says:

        For fairness, that “aggressive fan base” is just the same few ones that have taken arms at being pseudo-mods. I go to the forums from time to time and this small group feels highly entitled to shut down any argument based purely on the time they have spent waiting for the game.

        I don’t think rushing a release is a good idea, but going from before 2012, to early 2012, to April without anything consistent was a huge mistake on their part. Still waiting for it (and not buying D3), but the excitement I had died a long time ago.

    • Reapy says:

      Yeah, they really should have rode the wave off blizzards marketing scheme, which is sort of poor. They get people all hyped up, then really have nothing but a long, long wait. Plenty of people would have pulled the trigger on torchlight II in that time, but I guess if the game isn’t done, it’s not done.

  3. Dowson says:

    I completely forgot this game existed.

    • Antsy says:

      I liked Torchlight, but me too.

      • daggerbite says:

        Yeah me too – I’ve got this game somewhere (steam library??) but not played it for ages. Would be good to…. oh holy cripes I’ve lost my whole monday to Torchlight again!

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      alexheretic says:

      Please do list all the games you can currently remember so we can place the intended inference into some sort of context.

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    Skeletor68 says:

    I bought Torchlight 1 but just couldnt get into it. I LOVED Diablo 2 so I’m not quite sure why it didn’t click for me.

    People might flame me for this but even though the game mechanics aren’t worlds apart, the story and darker atmosphere always held my attention in Diablo 2. I never got any sense of menace from Torchlight and got bored with it after about 6 or 7 hours. Anyone else find this too?

    I guess I’m just confused because I see so much support for it I feel I should love it too!

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      jezcentral says:

      I didn’t hate TL, but I share your lack of enthusiasm. Once I got to the last boss fight and, despite spamming spells and healing potions for 20 mins, lost, I never went back to it, and I haven’t even been tempted to pick it up again. Between that and the always-on D3 DRM, I lost my taste for these kind of games completely.

      Still, I hope there are people who enjoy both games, etc etc.

      • neolith says:

        If neither D3 or TL2 grab your interest then maybe Grim Dawn is worth a look.

    • mondomau says:

      I loved Torchlight, but I do sort of know what you mean – the design aesthetic in torchlight is incredibly cartoony compared to the grim and gritty feel of D2. I think D2’s difficulty curve could be a lot sharper too, which added to the threatening feel.
      Pat of Exile has more of that original feel to it, though I found myself drifting away quite quickly – not sure why, to be honest.

    • unimural says:

      I suspect some who speak of Torchlight favorably do so for the same reason you feel bored by it. Because it is a lighter, even sillier experience. I suppose Torchlight is more of a shopping mall, where as Diablo II is an exhibition center. For me, the shopping mall attitude works better, because diablolikes are silly, silly games, and they make me behave in even more silly ways. All the gameplay, all the story is secondary to the loot. I hate what it does to me, but it is addictive. But I can never forget all the gameplay is just there for the next drop.

      I did always kind of wish Diablos were rougelikes.

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        Skeletor68 says:

        That makes sense then. I can understand why some people might be a bit burnt out by the sombre tone of Diablo. Thanks for everyones responses.

        I think I’ll have to be careful with D3 because I loved D2 and don’t want to overburden it with nostalgia. As long as the same atmosphere is there the rest should fall into place. I resent the always online feature but am hoping the rest of the game makes up for it.

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        drewski says:

        The lower difficulty curve for Torchlight was definitely a big attraction. I don’t really want a great, epic challenge from an ARPG – just a slot machine, large numbers and something to click on.

        • Ragnar says:

          Weird, I actually found Torchlight considerably harder than D2, at least in the first few hours.

    • Raiyan 1.0 says:

      I haven’t checked up on D3 updates for quite some while, but last I remember, they’ve taken up a WoW-esque artstyle as well.

      • UncleLou says:

        Not really. It’s very stylised, but it’s not nearly as cartoony as WoW (or Torchlight, for that matter), and the tone (quests, voice-acting, etc.) is a lot darker, too.

        Anyway, I am really looking forward to this, and I’ll buy it on day 1 (assuming it’s not out on May 15 as well) – but as with TL1, I expect to play it through once, while D3 should (hopefully) keep me busy for months.

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          RedViv says:

          Very stylised and finally something that is close to the actual artwork shown in the manuals since the very first game, if I may mention that.

    • Ragnar says:

      I’m with you. I loved Diablo 2, played through the first 2 acts with an assassin. I bought Torchlight after trying the demo, but only put about 5 hours into it. It just didn’t hook me the same way Diablo 2 did.

      At the same rate, co-op is the magic drug for me. I quickly grew bored of Titan’s Quest on my own, quitting after the first Act. But in co-op, it was a blast, and my fiancee and I played through until we beat it. At the same rate, between Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2, we’re only going to have enough time for one game and I feel that D3 is going to be the better of the two, and our friends are likely to be playing it too.

  5. CrowPath says:

    I hope anti-aliasing isn’t Day One DLC.

  6. Was Neurotic says:

    PoE was a real treat, but D3 is an afterthought for me. Torchlight 2, however, is going to be a Day One purchase. Yumm!

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    jrodman says:

    I feel somehow like my excitement wave for torchlight 2 already crested and now is on the wane. I think better management of expectations would do a lot for sales.

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      AndrewC says:

      This is almost enough to make me feel bad for PR types, especially as Torchlight 2 became, through no deliberate action, the de facto standard for everyone who wanted to bitch about Diablo 3 to march behind. No game can survive becoming a symbol.

      But, ultimately, screw PR types. I may find it weird that you seem to have a spreadsheet graphing out your relative anticipations for all games, with fluctuations measured down to the hour, but at least you are paying attention. PR types should be paying attention to you.

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        jrodman says:

        What fish99 said is a lot of it. I was excited for this last year, and now I have really no idea when it will see the light of day. Somehow that wears me out.

        I was interested in Torchlight 2 fairly long before I realized Diablo 3 was going to actually get released. However Diablo 3 was more of a “my friends will probably play this, so I’ll be happy to play it with them” thing, I didn’t have much expectations for it, as I did not enjoy Diablo 2 much. Torchlight didn’t satisfy, but I could see it being fun with friends, and it sounded like they were doing a lot of the right things to address its weaknesses.

        But now, I see them making little apparent forward progress, with lots of talk about the pets (which I found tedious) and no sense of involvement in the world being shared. I guess I just lost my enthusiasm.

    • fish99 says:

      Yup, namely the expectation created when they said the game was due september last year.

  8. 1Life0Continues says:

    Torchlight was one of those games I had to really sit down and play for a few hours before the fun started to kick in. The first few levels were exceedingly boring and killing wave after wave of Ratkin was definitely a yawn-fest. But once I got to the Estherian ruins, the game really perked up for me.
    I hope they learned from that experience, because I’m looking forward to the second game immensely, and I will definitely be picking it up as soon as it’s released in my region.
    I never got into Diablo, the first game bored me stiff and I was turned off immediately. The drab environments worked for the setting I suppose, but I actually wanted more colours than just brown, black and red. Maybe the game delivered later down the line, but after hitting level 15, I couldn’t go on staring at the same colour scheme the whole time.

  9. Everyone says:

    No, it’s a day to be good on!

  10. Turbobutts says:

    Goggles ferrets? It’s over, Diablo 3 is finished!

    • RaytraceRat says:

      Ferret with a hat sold it to me too. May I ask for a Rat pet. Please?
      Also, great low poly models and brilliant animations

  11. jellydonut says:

    The €60 price of D3 has made me look forward to this a heck of a lot more than D3.

    • Ragnar says:

      That’s actually the biggest selling point to Torchlight 2 over Diablo 3. Looking to get 2 copies so the SO and I can play together, and both will be fun ARPGs in co-op. I feel like Diablo 3 will be more fun, but at $120 vs $40 for two copies, will it be 3 times the fun?

  12. Saxocat says:

    Cats with backpacks.

    CATS WITH BACKPACKS.

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      RedViv says:

      The real question is: Will they make the Steam version use Steam Workshop, and will they thus not hesitate for a second to give us hats for our cats?

    • f_zul says:

      hahah. everyone’s in goggles and saber-toothed.

  13. caddyB says:

    Preorder launch dlc pet.

  14. Moni says:

    Ferret was always the best pet. Ferret forever!

  15. povu says:

    It’s been ages since we’ve had some good information on Torchlight 2, it’s a shame.

    It also seems likely that TL2 will be coming out later than Diablo 3, which is probably less than ideal. I’ll still be holding out for Torchlight 2 though. Modding support, offline single player, $20.

  16. adonf says:

    Any ideas what kind of special attacks cats will have? I’m guessing “Leave hair on clothes” and “Puke on enemy’s bed”

    • Mattressi says:

      Also, if you have magical ability, you can mind control the cat to think the enemy is its owner. Then they’ll proceed to try to trip your enemy down some stairs and scratch the crap out of their leg for no apparent reason.

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    drewski says:

    Biggest draw is this might actually run on my 2006 era computer.

    Still, that’s newer than my Playstation 1.

  18. starclaws says:

    Ferret? I’m sold.

  19. reggiep says:

    If this is the first bit of info that has trickled out of Relic, then my hopes for Torchlight 2 are lower than I originally expected (and based on Torchlight 1, they are already pretty low). This video had 0 production value.

    • Mattressi says:

      No, they give updates on progress reasonably frequently, it’s just that RPS doesn’t report on every single update. They probably reported this one because the bulldog is so awesome.

  20. trjp says:

    TL2 is almost certainly a different game to D3 – but releasing anywhere near D3 will be a catastrophic mistake from which they’ll not recover…

    If it’s not out this week, they may-as-well keep tinkering and adding stuff until Q4 and get in early on that spending frenzy…

    p.s. it’s not just D3 either, PoE (free to play) and Guild Wars2 are coming (GW being Diablo with less brown, really) – and there’s another Diablo-a-like too which I’ve already forgotten the name of?

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      Qazinsky says:

      Grim Dawn?

    • Joshua Northey says:

      This is exactly right. I enjoyed TL1 and so did a few of my friends. I could even see my wife playing it. But if they think they are going to fun it out there in the few months following the D3 release they are insane. They really need to wait for the perfect lull between the D3 release and the first d3 expansion and release it then. I think Late OCT early NOV sounds smart.

  21. JFS says:

    I want a bulldog with a backpack! NOW!

  22. Hug_dealer says:

    Why……..why no hedgehog. They never get any love.

    • Brun says:

      Except for, you know, that really famous blue one with a soft spot for chili dogs. I forget his name…

  23. Ethyls says:

    To those who say Torchlight was a better game than Diablo 2, I’m sorry, but you’re a bit wrong. You might have enjoyed it more than the latter, granted, but that doesn’t make it the better game.

    Don’t get me wrong, Torchlight did good things. The pet system, although quite limited, was a nice addition (especially to get rid of useless loot in a heartbeat). The classes, while there were only three, were quite different gameplay wise.

    But that’s it. On the other hand, Diablo 2 had a more inspired graphical style (not arguing the “quality” of the graphics themselves as it is pointless, two different eras, blah blah) that still has a certain charming aspect to it nowadays.
    It had a better loot system (a shitload of unique items, and most of them have from level 50ish onwards some kind of use).
    It had better classes overall (more classes, that’s always good, especially since they were all useful)
    It had better character building (not so much stats wise, but you could build around any one skill/skill combo at make it efficient).
    It had better skills (30 per classes, only a few of them being passives, and thanks to the synergies they can be considered passive if you so desire; I believe Torchlight had the same number of skills, but there were less active ones, they were overall less appealing and quite a lot of them were shared passives).
    For a hack’n’slash, it had a pretty good story backed with unique areas and pretty amazing CGIs. Torchlight had one of the worst plot ever, and gosh, the places you go through… Most of them were ugly, and the third (or fourth, can’t remember) one was the most uninspired and useless labyrinth of all times. I don’t mind labyrinths and corridors in my H’n’S, but hanged-islands with narrow bridges ? Please.
    While the music was good in both games, Diablo 2’s stands out because it was actually memorable. Listening to the music conjures up images and memories of what it went with. I believe that it won’t happen to most Torchlight 1 players, besides the obvious “Oh, that’s a tristram “ripoff” ”

    Then, there’s the issue of modding. Torchlight’s approach can’t be condemned, it’s always nice when developers let modders do their thing. BUT, it felt a lot like “Eh, so, we have an average game. Let’s open it to modders so that they can make it good !” Diablo 2 didn’t need that, because it was more of a complete experience from the get go. And they improved on it for quite a long time. And that didn’t prevent people from making extraordinary mods.
    Also, I hated the fact that I was playing a loot based game designed to be used with community mods. That makes loot gathering mutt, somewhat. But that’s my opinion and you don’t even have to agree/disagree with that, because I know I may be the only one thinking that way and it’s fine.

    So, yeah, objectively, Diablo 2 was and still is better than Torchlight 1. You can call me a Diablo 2 fanboy if you want, but I’m not : Heck, I don’t play it anymore and I really CRAVE for a good hack’n’slash. I really want to find something better. But it hasn’t come out yet.

    That’s why some people believe Torchlight 2 will be worse than Diablo 3, because their predecessors were in this very hierarchy. That’s bullshit, though. It doesn’t mean anything. Developers can make better and worse games than those they did in the past. That’s obvious. But, don’t bash on people saying that they will play Diablo 3 and avoid Torchlight 2 like the plague : most haven’t tried either yet, so they just think the trend will continue.

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      jrodman says:

      Diablo 2 might have been “better”, but I got horribly bored by it and stopped mid-act 2, while Torchlight while limited provided enough for me to complete it.

      Not sure what that says. Maybe Diablo 2 was too long?

  24. MythArcana says:

    Travis Baldree for President in 2012!

  25. Disciple says:

    I personally disliked Torchlight 1. The Skill Tree especially in the original was bland and didn’t take much to figure out there was only 1-2 decent paths for anyone heavily into the genre.

    While I’m extremely excited about Diablo 3, think out of the three main titles – Path of the Exile has been the most appealing/impressive. I know I’ll love D3 but its a “not broke, don’t fix it” release like Starcraft 2 was. Path of Exile has brought in some clever stuff to the genre (Refillable Pots that refill by kill making the game easy to progress but making boss fights have more impact as you’ve only got a limited amount & the use of Scrolls/Orbs making looting feel a lot more important than any other Dungeon Crawler).

    Torchlight 2 doesn’t have or advertise anything that grips me – Diablo 3 promises insane polish & re-playability / Path of Exile offers old school/darker experience with innovative mechanics / Torchlight offers simplistic original but with co-op….pass

  26. ninjapirate says:

    Reading through the comments, I’m a bit lost. I enjoyed Diablo 2, and I’m assuming that Diablo 3 will be a worthy successor.
    So many people are expressing their disinterest in D3, preferring Torchlight 2 over it – but why? Is it because both games will be similar to each other, and it’s cooler to root for the more indie-ish title of the two?

    I’m not playing dumb here, I’m honestly curious.

    • Joshua Northey says:

      This is a “high class” games website. Which means a lot of the clientele here do not sully themselves with games that are popular or mainstream. If other people like it then it cannot possibly be good.

      Obviously I exaggerate, in some sense the attitude is a natural and normal response to the major game sites “OMG AAA title must give it a 90+ no matter how good it is fanboism”. But it does tend to run too far in the other direction and glorify independent or smaller title simply for the reason they are small and independent, and s&^% on major titles simply because they are major.

      These are people who are really into computer games as consumers and critics, but don’t actually understand much about them as a business, and don’t understand the overall market. So they tend to denigrate the parts of the industry that are more focused on broad appeal and you know…actually making a living.

      • Brun says:

        This is so true. RPS (readers and authors) have a nasty habit of showering praise on indie titles, simply because they are indie games – even if those games make bad design, aesthetic, or mechanical decisions. Thank goodness we finally seem to be moving away from the days of “Look at 8- or 16-bit Graphics Platformer #1920338912038190″ articles. The focus recently seems to be on RPGs, which is a step up.

      • Malawi Frontier Guard says:

        Okay, cool. I didn’t know that. Thanks for providing this insight.

    • Vinraith says:

      I can only speak for myself here, but I’ll do my best to explain. A lot of it has to do with all the strings attached to Diablo 3, from the online-only DRM to the real money auction house and any number of other macro design decisions on Blizzard’s part. In short, before you even get to the actual game, there are several layers of unpleasantness you have to burrow through.

      Some of the rest has to do with the simple fact that the Blizzard that created Diablo 2 is long gone. Not just philosophically, mind you, none of those people actually work for the company anymore. The company that made World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2 is not a company I hold in much esteem, so I see no reason to give D3 the benefit of the doubt.

      And finally, I really enjoyed Torchlight 1. I thought it needed co-op, and more environmental variety, and Torchlight 2 is getting both of those. Combined with a sensible DRM approach and a far more single player friendly design, and Torchlight 2 looks pretty good when compared to D3 in my books. It’s not alone in that, mind you, Grim Dawn has real promise as well.

    • Reikon says:

      There’s also the fact that lots of the D1 and D2 team and project leaders on them are no longer at Blizzard, and several of the leaders are at Runic now.

  27. Jon Tetrino says:

    Am I the only one who thought of Daxter from the PS2 Jak games when he saw the Ferret’s outfit?

  28. lunegov says:

    Want this game played with my xbox360 pad. But it’s hopeless I guess.

  29. karthink says:

    I am so naming my ferret Boo.

  30. Ghoulie says:

    This looks fantastic. I really love the art-style, it looks very painterly.
    Speaking of loot driven clickety-clickers, whats happening with Grim Dawn?
    That looked fantastic last time I saw it and it looked like something I could get in place of D3. Crate said they were going to do a kickstarter and I haven’t heard anything since then.

  31. adammtlx says:

    I semi-enjoyed Torchlight and Torchlight II may in fact be more fun than D3, but MAN they dropped the ball in not getting this thing out before D3. Instead of catching a couple million people in a hack-n-slash hunger pre-D3 (myself included)… well, I just can’t see myself spending 20 bucks when I just spent 60 on D3.

    I’m sure I’m not alone. Loss-aversion being what it is.

  32. ZephaniahGrey says:

    Didn’t the devs boast that they could get this out before Diablo 3 hit stores? So much for that I guess. I mostly forgot this was out there as well. The last thing they did was to release info on their painfully awkward and unimpressive character classes, then they dropped off the radar.