World Of Tanks Adding Chinese Pottery. Kidding: Tanks

By Nathan Grayson on November 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm.

Well, that was quick. World of Tanks‘ Britain-themed 8.1 update – unfortunately not titled “Sir, You Are Being Hunted (By Tanks)” – came out just a hair over a week ago, and now Wargaming’s already rallying the troops for update 8.2. This time around, the focus is mainly on a new Chinese tank tree, which actually houses creaking death machines you can buy in succession, but sounds like something humanity must never genetically engineer. And while that’s certainly the main event of 8.2, it’s lugging in a smattering of other bits and bobs as well.

Wow, now I really just wish tanks could actually burrow under buildings and then burst out of them at opportune times in World of Tanks: The Non-CG Trailer Edition. But alas.

At any rate, in addition to the 17-strong Chinese tree (which includes a hopefully toned down variation of the retired-due-to-overpoweredness Type 59), the update will also include more level updates – this time for Prokhorovka, Redshire, Erlenberg, and Ruinberg. Five new American tanks and three new premiums, meanwhile, round out the package.

For now, Wargaming’s not talking release specifics, but it usually runs public tests for these things, so at least expect a couple of those to herald this update’s arrival. I figure, though, that if we’re really lucky, the update will drop on November 22nd. Happy Tanksgiving, America.

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  1. pupsikaso says:

    I don’t understand how they are intending to balance these tanks. While Russian vs German tanks was possible due to strong and weak tanks on both sides, I just don’t see how Chinese tanks are able to compete vs more successful tanks of the same era.

    • unangbangkay says:

      IIRC, WoT’s matchmaking is tier-based, where weak tanks only ever fight tanks of similar ranking (certain game modes aside). Naturally, most of the older and inferior native tank designs are confined to lower tiers. Since China had few designs current with WWII-era tactics, I imagine most of them will end up fighting on the lower end of the scale.

      That said, WoT’s already reaching out to the Korean War for new vehicles, and several ’50s Chinese tanks were either tested or made available temporarily.

      I hope to see them add Japanese tanks to the mix, as I want to one day put together a tank squad like the following (right side): http://randomc.net/image/Girls%20und%20Panzer/Girls%20und%20Panzer%20-%2003%20-%20Large%2035.jpg

      • Josh Brandt says:

        Most of the mid-tier and higher Chinese stuff is copies of or straight-up purchased Russian stuff– T-34 variants, the Type 59 (more or less a T-54A), the WZ-111 (based on the IS-3) and so on. Since they’re later improvements on the same tanks, they look like they mostly are tiered similarly or 1 tier higher than the things they copied. The new Type 59 is concurrent with the T-54 (tier 9) and will probably be pretty similar.

    • johnnyan says:

      I don’t really think the Russian vs German has real balance, its pretty obvious the game is made by Russian people…

      • pupsikaso says:

        Care to extrapolate? The game IS made by basically Russians (Belarus), but then America vs Arab shooters are all made by Americans, too.

        • Kelron says:

          He’s probably implying the russian tanks are all overpowered.

          • DarkFenix says:

            Very much the prevailing view among the ignorant on WoT.

          • pupsikaso says:

            Yeah, what Darkfenix says is what I was implying. I want johnnyan to show some definitive proof in what way he thinks the tanks are so completely out of balance.

          • Nick says:

            my garage of every tank from german and russian and us heavy and mid lines up to tier 9/10 (and others) is more than enough to show me which tanks generally perform better. It does vary from tier to tier and class to class, but I’d say US have the best or close to best overall, but the gap is mostly quite small (aside from US tier 10 heavy which is significantly better than most others, bar is7 where again, the gap is a bit smaller).

          • Palindrome says:

            Anyone who thinks that the Soviet tanks are overpowered obviously hasn’t attempted to grind with a KV-4.

          • Sergey Galyonkin says:

            Like in real life :)

          • DarkFenix says:

            pupsikaso: He’s probably one of those guys who played a few battles and browsed the forums a bit a year or so ago, at which point it was much trendier to be part of the “OMG biased Russian commie devs!” camp. Angry Internet Men are a bit slow to move on with the times.

          • Mitch says:

            Question: In a normal grind match… what would you prefer?

            Tier V: KV-1 or PzIV / PzIII/IV?
            Tier VI: KV-1S / T-150 or VK3001P / VK3001H / VK3601?
            Tier VII: IS or Tiger / Tiger P?
            Tier VIII: IS3 or Tiger II / VK4501A?

            Not that the Tiger was a bad tank, it’s just not as easy to drive and you can’t fight yourself out of a tight situation as well as with the IS. Just an example…
            So I would also say the Russion tanks are superior. You can see it in those company fights… Tier VI is mostly KV-1S, Tier VIII is mostly IS3.

      • Nick says:

        That’ll be why US tanks are stronger than russian and german at the high tiers then, right?

    • U-99 says:

      Balancing is quite simple, as the tanks in game are pretty much irrelevant to real world tanks. Plus they can play with HP bullshit – one tank can have 1500 HP and other 2500 HP – although they are equal in size and age

  2. FhnuZoag says:

    A Chinese tank tree? Seriously? Complete with PRC flag background?

    Well, there goes WoT’s WWII theme out the window, then.

  3. Mutak says:

    Best headline i’ve seen in a long while.

    • mittortz says:

      Agreed. I clicked on the article in my RSS feed purely because of the level of enjoyment I got from the title.

      Well done Mr. Grayson.

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  5. Josh Brandt says:

    Pfft, the Type 59 wasn’t overpowered. People just needed to learn how to deal with it, and now they have.

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  7. redshirt says:

    A lot of chinese tanks of that era were copies of Soviet, German and British tanks. They even had a few Sherman and M3 Lee tanks, as well as some pre-WW2 french tanks.

    Granted they probably had those tanks later than the WW2 powers but WoT matchmaking doesn’t put tanks of the same year/era against each other, but tanks of appropriate power together. So you can expect the Chinese T34-85 or KV3 to come up against other tier 6 tanks.

    I’m interested to see how they differ from the originals, they may end up being the most rounded tanks in the game if they improve the inherent disadvantages the original tanks had.

  8. prowlinger says:

    Ok first off… this is RIDICULOUS! This entire Chinese Tree should either be called “Asian” or “Pacific” … Chinese did not have WW2 tanks… This tree really should be Japanese… from Tier 1-5 and add in the Chinese from 6 up… Japan did have many prototype tanks which could be premiums also.

    This tree is setup atm so shit shoddy that it almost makes me want to stop playing. I was enjoying the WW2 (kinda themed accurate) but now this? So we have a tree with Japanese Chi Ha, Russian ILs, even a Vickers? Seriously. WTF? This change alone may make me just stop playing WOT.

    ————–

    Here is a history lesson to fall on deaf ears for the WoT developers:

    The Second Sino-Japanese War (July 7, 1937 – September 2, 1945), called so after the First Sino-Japanese War of 1894–95, was a military conflict fought primarily between the Republic of China and the Empire of Japan from 1937 to 1941. China fought Japan with some economic help from Germany (see Sino-German cooperation), the Soviet Union (1937–1940) and the United States (see American Volunteer Group). After the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, the war merged into the greater conflict of World War II as a major front of what is broadly known as the Pacific War. The Second Sino-Japanese War was the largest Asian war in the 20th century.[8] It also made up more than 50% of the casualties in the Pacific War if the 1937–1941 period is taken into account.

    Although the two countries had fought intermittently since 1931, total war started in earnest in 1937 and ended only with the surrender of Japan in 1945. The war was the result of a decades-long Japanese imperialist policy aiming to dominate China politically and militarily and to secure its vast raw material reserves and other economic resources, particularly food and labour. Before 1937, China and Japan fought in small, localized engagements, so-called “incidents”. In 1931, the Japanese invasion of Manchuria by Japan’s Kwantung Army followed the Mukden Incident. The last of these incidents was the Marco Polo Bridge Incident of 1937, marking the beginning of total war between the two countries.

    Initially the Japanese scored major victories in Shanghai, and by the end of 1937 captured the Chinese capital of Nanking. After failing to stop the Japanese in Wuhan, the Chinese central government moved to Chongqing in the Chinese interior. By 1939 the war had reached stalemate after Chinese victories in Changsha and Guangxi. The Japanese were also unable to defeat the Chinese communists forces in Shaanxi, which performed harassment and sabotage operations against the Japanese. On the 7th of December 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and the following day (December 8) the United States declared war on Japan. Japan surrendered on September 2, 1945.

    ——-

    SO.. putting the Japanese tanks in a China tree is just pure offensive to both parties. Especially if WoT is about to be released in China? Way to piss everyone off AND ruin the immersion of WW2 / country based realistic era vehicles even more…

    Sigh… why do developers always have to go and fuck everything up?

    Honestly… I can create a mixed Japanese/ China tree that isn’t mixed up wrong pretty easily… wtf can they not do it?!

    • Kelron says:

      You know WoT is already full of tanks that never progressed beyond prototype, and some that were never even built? It’s not a game hugely concerned with realism.

    • pupsikaso says:

      They can certainly “just do it”, but then nobody would ever play the chinese tank tree because it will be completely unviable against any other tree.
      WoT was never about “pure realism”, but more about enough realism to provide a certain kind of experience, but keep the focus on fun gameplay. Thus as some people already stated many times the other trees also have bullshit tanks that never got off the drawing board.
      The Chinese tank tree is what it is to make it fun to play.

  9. prowlinger says:

    Here is the Chinese tree … Horrible does not describe it…

    http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2012/11/wotchinesereleasetreecom.jpg

  10. prowlinger says:

    Hmmmm I guess doing a Japanese tree would be too hard?!

    Light tanks

    Type 92 Jyu-Sokosha Combat Car
    Type 93[disambiguation needed] Light Tank
    Type 95 Ke-Nu Rail Tank
    Type 95 Ha-Go Light Tank
    Type 98 Ke-Ni Light Tank
    Type 2 Ke-To Light Tank
    Type 3 Ke-Ri Light Tank
    Type 5 Ke-Ho Light Tank
    Type 4 Ke-Nu Light Tank

    Medium tanks

    Type 97 Chi-Ni
    Type 89 Chi-Ro Yi-Go Medium Tank
    Type 97 Chi-Ha Medium Tank
    Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha improved Medium Tank
    Command Tank “Shi-Ki”
    Type 98 Chi-Ho Medium Tank
    Type 2 Ho-I Infantry Support Tank
    Type 1 Chi-He Medium Tank
    Type 3 Chi-Nu Medium Tank
    Type 4 Chi-To Medium Tank
    Type 5 Chi-Ri Medium Tank

    Heavy tanks

    Type 95 Heavy Tank
    Super-Heavy Tank “O-I”

    Self-propelled guns

    Type 1 Ho-Ni I 75 mm SPH
    Type 1 Ho-Ni II 105 mm SPH
    Type 2 No-Ni Tank Destroyer
    Type 2 Ho-I Gun Tank
    Type 3 Ho-Ni III Gun Tank
    Type 4 Ho-Ro 150 mm SPH
    Type 4 Ho-To 120 mm SPG
    75 mm SP AT Gun “Na-To”
    Type 4 Ha-To 30cm SP Heavy Mortar Carrier
    105 mm SP Gun Tank “Ho-Ri” (possibly inspired by German Ferdinand and Elefant heavy tank destroyers)[citation needed]
    Type 5 Ho-Ru 47 mm SP Gun (was possibly inspired by German Hetzer tank destroyer SP gun)[citation needed]
    Type 5 Na-To Tank Destroyer
    Type 5 Mortar Launcher “Tok”
    75 mm SPG “Kusae”

    Experimental tanks

    Experimental Tank – Number 1
    Experimental Type 91[disambiguation needed] Heavy Tank
    Experimental Medium Tank Chi-Ni
    Experimental Medium Tank
    Experimental Medium Tank Chi-Ho
    Experimental Type 98 Medium Tank
    Experimental Type 2 Ho-Ri Tank Destroyer (Very similar to the German Elefant Tank Destroyer)
    Experimental Jiro-Sha Self Propelled Gun (SPG)
    Experimental Type 2 Ka-To 105 mm Tank Destroyer
    Experimental Type 2 Ku-Se 75 mm SPG
    Experimental Light Armored ATG Carrier So-To
    Experimental Type 5 Ho-Ru 47 mm SPATG
    Experimental Flying Tank Ku-Ro
    Experimental 75 mm Tank Destroyer Na-To
    Experimental Light Tank Ke-Ho
    Experimental 105 mm Tank Destroyer (Very similar to German Sturmgeschutz Tank Destroyers)
    Experimental Type 5 155 mm Ho-Chi SPG
    Experimental 120 mm SPG

  11. prowlinger says:

    Well at this rate… why not just take ALL the tanks and put them in a blender (or no country at all) and just pick a tank and tier you want?

    Why even have countries at all?

    I know this isn’t all about realism but they could do better… this Chinese tank tree “effort” is poor.

    Yes Chinese had tanks… yes Japanese had tanks… take both of them and merge them and NOT call it Chinese…

    (BTW only 1 Japanese tank in the whole tree?!? Seriously? I know they were pure cannon fodder in WW2, but we already have many tanks in the game that are balanced for game play and not realism… )

    This is just about the same thing as putting a P-38 in the Western Front and calling it “Russian IL2 / P38″ … at least TRY and follow SOME history here…

    As another poster said… why not just start making fantasy tanks at this point? I want my Quantum Churchill that has plasma shells… :P

    • Palindrome says:

      The reason why there is a Chinese tech tree is for the Chinese market, surely that is obvious?
      The Chinese didn’t have the abilty to form their own tank industry so their tree is full of captured and/or bought vehicles. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

      The only French tanks in the game until relatively recently were German premiums, eventually the French got their own tree and I’m sure that the same thing will happen for the Japanese.

      • tigershuffle says:

        I posted this back in beta for a guy wanting to skin a Chinese based Sherman ………
        nice little history lesson to boot about the Chinese trained tankers fighting the Japanese in ww2 ;)
        http://cbi-theater-6.home.comcast.net/~cbi-theater-6/1ptg/1ptg.html

        • prowlinger says:

          Ok Tigershuffle… I will stop bitching about it… and thank you for the very informative article which I have never run across before.

          Yes the market for China and “Chinese tanks” in a Chinese Tree makes sense in a subjective financial standpoint. I just wish Japanese were on their own Japan Tech Tree, Chinese on their own China Tech Tree, and heck… might as well through in Italian on their own Italy Tech Tree. ;)

          I still wish to this day they would release the (rumored) Axis and Allies mode but they keep it locked away. (Where US, France, Britain, Russia are all Allies and Germany, Japan are Axis … and the MM tiers everyone into 2 groups… Axis vs Allies (and preferably 1 country vs 1 country if possible)…

          • tigershuffle says:

            lol dont stop……think most of the early beta peeps have plenty to bitch about.
            Im a tank sim nerd myself and prefer Steel Fury shenanigans for my tank stuff, but its a fun game for a few rounds.

            Im still proud of havin over 100,000 views on one of my historical gun sight threads ;) and supported the other stuff that made the game more appealing to my tastes

            If they had ‘historical’ matchmaking I would be still be playing now. The base game is there and Im sure there would be enough interest in playing matches with historical teams
            Theyve made a lot of money with the current set up and have got the whole warplane n battleships in the pipeline, but I think there is/was room for both without hindering their revenue :-/

          • Mitch says:

            Axis and Allies mode (AAM) would be really cool. But I guess it would be a serious problem with matchmaking. I mean basically one nation (Germany) against all other nations… this will be like nine-tenths of the players waiting for a match (the Russian tanks, British tanks, French tanks).

            So a historical AAM mode would be even better. Where Tiger mostly faces tanks of their time like KV-1 or so…
            Or perhaps instead of Tier restrictions it would make more sense to specify a year. So if you choose 1941 the Germans only have PzIV but no Tiger and the Russians have KV-1 or so. Just my two cents.

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  13. Dudeist says:

    Do WOT developers know ANYTHING about tanks???? I think no. How ultra light tank mark II can destroy heavy tank from ’50??? Stupid thing.

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